can Aspirin really save lives?

[truthtripper]

Uh... did you even read Hope's post before you quoted it?

If we weren't taking synthetic medication, then we wouldn't have to worry about contraindications with natural substances.

[PogoStick]

If we weren't taking synthetic medication, then we wouldn't have to worry about contraindications with natural substances.

 

Of course there are no contraindications with taking natural snake venom. Bite away.

 

Your dichotomy of natural vs synthetic, and good vs bad, is arbitrary and incorrect.

[truthtripper]

Of course there are no contraindications with taking natural snake venom. Bite away.

 

Your dichotomy of natural vs synthetic, and good vs bad, is arbitrary and incorrect.

The aboriginals/primitive natives were at one with their earth(luckily their cultures still exist in some parts of the world).They had an instinctive knowledge of their environment, so that overdose or incorrect usage of plants/animals didn't occur. Now we are completely reliant on and at the mercy of our doctor's limited knowledge of the medications they prescribe us. Even the pharmaceutical companies can only provide us with arbitrary information about possible side effects.

 

A few years ago, my mother was prescribed several medications after having an arterial stent insertion. As the months passed, she became progressively weaker in her muscles. Her cardiac specialist couldn't ascertain the cause. She then visited her general practitioner who was also of no help. So we decided to take the matter into our own hands, researching the possible side effects of her medications. We came across some information about statins causing muscle deterioration. Against the advice of her specialist, my mother stopped taking the statin drug. After a few weeks, she gained back her initial strength. There was a definite link between her muscle weakness and the statin. A friend of mine had a similar experience with a statin, having to discontinue it's use after only one week.

 

A childhood friend of mine, Amber, died from aspirin overdose. After developing a severe flu, her mother treated her with large, frequent doses of aspirin. Within a few days she began coughing up blood and died due to internal haemorrhaging.

Edited November 13, 2015 by truthtripper

[HopeForTomorrow]

If we weren't taking synthetic medication, then we wouldn't have to worry about contraindications with natural substances.

 

Yeah, I read that before, and IMO there is so much inherently wrong with that statement that there is no way to even argue it. So I'll move on.

 

The aboriginals/primitive natives were at one with their earth(luckily their cultures still exist in some parts of the world).They had an instinctive knowledge of their environment, so that overdose or incorrect usage of plants/animals didn't occur. Now we are completely reliant on and at the mercy of our doctor's limited knowledge of the medications they prescribe us. Even the pharmaceutical companies can only provide us with arbitrary information about possible side effects.

 

Here in the 21st century, physicians and other HCPs do the best we can. Researchers and pharma do what they can with pre- and postmarketing studies. What else would you suggest? Do you think the aboriginals/primitive natives somehow had it figured out better?

 

A few years ago, my mother was prescribed several medications after having an arterial stent insertion. As the months passed, she became progressively weaker in her muscles. Her cardiac specialist couldn't ascertain the cause. She then visited her general practitioner who was also of no help. So we decided to take the matter into our own hands, researching the possible side effects of her medications. We came across some information about statins causing muscle deterioration. Against the advice of her specialist, my mother stopped taking the statin drug. After a few weeks, she gained back her initial strength. There was a definite link between her muscle weakness and the statin.

 

The risk of rhabdomyolysis directly caused by statins is about 1.5 per 100,000 persons treated. It is MUCH less than the positive effects that statins produce. So what would you do, if you were a physician? Would you not prescribe it to someone who was statistically much more likely to benefit from it?

 

I am sorry that your mom fell through the cracks. With those side effects any HCP should have recognized that possibility and told her to stop taking it. But depending what else she was taking and/or other disease states, it all gets complicated, especially with rare effects. I have never personally seen a case of that (having been in practice since the mid-1990s) so it's not at the forefront when running through differential diagnoses in my mind.

 

Keep in mind, though, that if the statin was a herbal remedy, none of us would even know about the 1.5 per 100,000 person risk. The only reason we know is that the FDA does pre- and post-marketing surveillance.

[PogoStick]

Next time you come down with HIV, or Hep C, just head down the the jungle and let the natives treat you. Let me know how it works out.

[truthtripper]

Next time you come down with HIV, or Hep C, just head down the the jungle and let the natives treat you. Let me know how it works out.

I've had a lot of bad luck with doctors and medication. I've had Graves disease, was suffering from extremely painful endometriosis and have been suffering from PTSD since childhood. The endocrine specialist tried to force me to get my thyroid irradiated. He gave me some information about the procedure, but I didn't bother to read it after he told me that I would have to take thyroxine for the rest of my life. He became verbally abusive towards me for not "complying". I made a complaint about him to the doctors association and switched to Chinese herbal medicine, while seeing another specialist(who wasn't a narcissist). After a year, I didn't need carbimazole anymore and my thyroid hormone levels have been stable ever since(for the last 7 years). I also treat my endometriosis with chinese herbal medicine and there are no side effects. As for my PTSD, antidepressants/anxiolytics exacerbate my dissociation, rendering me unable to work or drive. After much experimenting with herbal remedies, I discovered that cayenne pepper also helps with my anxiety which in turn helps me sleep(~1 teaspoon powder with food before bed).

 

Hope this explains the ridiculous comments I previously made.

[truthtripper]

Here in the 21st century, physicians and other HCPs do the best we can. Researchers and pharma do what they can with pre- and postmarketing studies. What else would you suggest? Do you think the aboriginals/primitive natives somehow had it figured out better?

Naturally, we all believe that modern technology and medicine is allowing us to live longer, but research shows that it was not uncommon for even the earliest hunter-gatherers to live well into their 70's. This is commendable given they had no houses to live in, no supermarkets to buy their food and no doctors to give them medicine. Google it.

[HopeForTomorrow]

Naturally, we all believe that modern technology and medicine is allowing us to live longer, but research shows that it was not uncommon for even the earliest hunter-gatherers to live well into their 70's. This is commendable given they had no houses to live in, no supermarkets to buy their food and no doctors to give them medicine. Google it.

 

No need for me to Google it. Best to you.

[truthtripper]

No need for me to Google it.

I bet you will.

[truthtripper]

Here in the 21st century, physicians and other HCPs do the best we can. Researchers and pharma do what they can with pre- and postmarketing studies. What else would you suggest? Do you think the aboriginals/primitive natives somehow had it figured out better?

Pharmaceutical companies do the best they can to make lots of money.