feminists driving men away...video

[Mangina]

I think that's smart. The legal system is gender neutral - if you are the lower wage earner or unemployed and you are male, you will also get more in the divorce. The problem is that women as a group generally still earn less (that's sexism - and one men ought to fight if only for this reason), and many men are only too happy to mate with underachieving women and make them primary house carers - until the divorce, when they complain bitterly about how unfair the system is. If anyone - male or female - wants to protect themselves from having to pay out more in the event of divorce, then choose someone who is a decent earner too. It's ridiculous to complain how terrible and biased the system is when it's actually not gender biased, and it's clear going into it what the rules are.

 

Now, if someone wants to support a primary child and house carer, then of course they're going to have to help that person financially in the event of divorce. It makes sense and it's no secret. If someone can't figure that out then they're probably not ready for marriage.

 

Women earn less because of choice of career and hours worked not because of discrimination. The problem is that women do not typically marry men who make less than they do and men except women who make less because of their looks

[Tayken]

The problem is that women do not typically marry men who make less than they do

This is true, hence the reason why you wouldn't see many women dating a garbage collector, shelf stacker, road sweeper, non-F-150 driver

 

Here it is

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRQlTOwQyXQ .....war on men

 

......men, math, and marriage Edited December 26, 2014 by a LoveShack.org Moderator
Link is off topic

[lollipopspot]

This is true, hence the reason why you wouldn't see many women dating a garbage collector, shelf stacker, road sweeper, non-F-150 driver

 

Is there evidence that garbage collectors, road sweepers, and store clerks aren unable to date? I used to work in a restaurant and pretty much all those low wage earners were dating, even busboys and dishwashers. I've seen wedding rings on gas station attendants.

 

But like I said, anyone who wants to not pay more in a divorce, ought to choose someone who is a similar achiever and not support their partner to stay at home. Seems obvious.

[Robert]

All, let's keep this on topic or this thread will have to be closed. Thank you.

[lollipopspot]

Women earn less because of choice of career and hours worked not because of discrimination. The problem is that women do not typically marry men who make less than they do and men except women who make less because of their looks

 

Why don't you provide evidence for your first statement (not anecdote, speculation, your feelings about it, or from some men's rights org - there's a lot of that in this thread). Actual evidence showing inequality, in the same jobs...

 

Many studies find that qualification differences do not explain more than a portion of the earnings differences. The portion of the earnings gap that cannot be explained by qualifications is then attributed to discrimination. One prominent formal procedure for identifying the explained and unexplained portions of the gender wage differentials or wage gap is the Oaxaca-Blinder decomposition procedure.[1][2]

 

Another type of statistical evidence of discrimination is gathered by focusing on homogeneous groups. This approach has the advantage of studying economic outcomes of groups with very similar qualifications.[1]

 

In a well-known longitudinal study, the University of Michigan Law School (U.S.A.) graduates were surveyed between 1987 and 1993, and later between 1994 and 2000 to measure the changes in the wage gap.[6] The group was intentionally chosen to have very similar characteristics. Although the gap in earnings between men and women was very small immediately after graduation, it widened in 15 years to the point that women earned 60 percent of what men earned. Even after factoring in women's choice of working for fewer hours, and worker qualifications and other factors, such as grades in law school and detailed work history data, in 2000 men were ahead of women by 11 percent in their earnings, which might be attributed to discrimination.

 

Other studies on relatively homogeneous group of college graduates produced a similar unexplained gap, even for the highly educated women, such as Harvard MBAs in the United States. One such study focused on gender wage differences in 1985 between the college graduates.[7] The graduates were chosen from the ones who earned their degree one or two years earlier. The researchers took college major, GPA (grade point average) and the educational institution the graduates attended into consideration. Yet, even after these factors were accounted for, there remained a 10-15 percent pay gap based on gender. Another study based on a 1993 survey of all college graduates had similar results for black and white women regarding gender differences in earnings.[8] Both black women and white women made less money compared to white, non-Hispanic men...

 

One very recent example of the employment discrimination is to be seen among female Chief Financial Officers (CFOs) in the US. Although 62% of accountants and auditors are women, they are only 9% when it comes to the CFO post. According to the research not only are they underrepresented in the profession, but they are also underpaid, 16% less on average. [10]...

 

From experiments

A matched-pairs study of homogeneous group audit experiment was done in the restaurants in Philadelphia, United States.[13] Pseudo candidates handed their resumes to a random worker in the restaurants for the resume to be forwarded to the manager, which removed the effect of first impression on the employer. Also, the resumes were written in a three-level scale based on the qualifications of the pseudo applicants and resumes for each qualification level were delivered in three separate weeks. The results showed that male applicants were favored significantly. Men had higher interview callbacks or job offers. In addition, men did even better in high-pay restaurants compared to low-pay ones. In the low-price restaurants, for each man who received a job offer, the woman was rejected 29 percent of the time. There were no such cases where a man did not get the job offer but a woman did. In the high-priced restaurants, when the man got an offer, the woman was rejected 43 percent of the time. The same pattern that signaled discrimination was observed for the interviews. At the high-priced restaurants, women had 40 percent less chance of being interviewed and 50 percent less chance of receiving the job. Therefore, based on this study, it is correct to conclude discrimination in the same job may lead to gender wage discrimination. Note the high-priced restaurants are more likely to offer higher wages and higher tips for its workers compared to those with low prices,.[1][2]

 

Another experiment is the study of the effect of "blind" symphony orchestra auditions by Goldin and Rouse.[14] In this case, the gender of the candidate was not known by the election committee because the auditions were done behind a curtain. Thus, only the skills were considered. As a result, the number of women accepted increased after “blind” auditions from less than 5 percent in 1970 to 25 percent in 1996 in the top five symphony orchestras in the U.S. In other words, a change occurred. This study tests for discrimination directly. The finding implies there was gender discrimination against woman musicians before the adoption of the screen on identity. However, this discriminatory practice was eliminated after the adoption and only qualifications of the individuals were taken into account.[1][2]

Employment discrimination - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

As to your second point, that's no one's fault except for the person making the choice to ignore income and achievement in favor of a hot body. Boo hoo.

[BlueIris]

... The problem is that women do not typically marry men who make less than they do and men except women who make less because of their looks

 

I don't see this as a problem.

[Mangina]

Why don't you provide evidence for your first statement (not anecdote, speculation, your feelings about it, or from some men's rights org - there's a lot of that in this thread). Actual evidence showing inequality, in the same jobs...

 

 

Employment discrimination - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

As to your second point, that's no one's fault except for the person making the choice to ignore income and achievement in favor of a hot body. Boo hoo.

 

women make .78 to the dollar vs men. if you just apply a little logic here that is .22 i can not see that in dollars per hour. we pay men $15 per hour but we pay women $14.78 i do not think this is way it goes and if you stop being biased you can see it too.

 

here is a link and this is not from a men rights movement http://social.dol.gov/blog/myth-busting-the-pay-gap/

[Mangina]

I don't see this as a problem.

 

are you a guy or girl?

[lollipopspot]

Not many of those guys are married to women who earn any more than they do. I don't know any women personally who married a guy that earns less than they do.

 

I do - I was related to a couple where the man was a stay at home dad who got financial support after the divorce. And I think that's right! - he had stayed home for a long time and had few job skills. I think that's a co-creation to make that kind of family. There's both a benefit and a cost to it.

 

And, I think the wife wasn't too happy to pay the ex husband's bills - especially since he was an alcoholic and she felt she had been carrying him along for years. But that's an issue with the relationship, not the laws. It just shows that when people end relationships they want to be done with it, and no longer help their ex, regardless of the way the relationship evolved - but that's not realistic. People - male and female - ought best to keep their eyes open about the relationship and legal consequences of a breakup.

 

Also, there are a lot of old fashioned people out there, men and women both. I know a lot of men 2 hours like the idea of supporting their family. That doesn't entitle his wife to ruin him financially because she decides she wants to bang other guys.

 

As to the old fashioned people - there is a cost to that, as above. I don't know that there's any way around it unless we more highly support people who don't have or can't get jobs as a society, but people really don't want more of their tax money going to social programs. But I don't know what counts as ruined. Women's lifestyle statistically goes down after divorce, and men's goes up. An individual may or may not fit the rule, for a number of reasons, but it makes more sense to deal with statistics than anecdotes.

 

The institute's research shows that, after a divorce, women's household incomes dropped significantly, especially in the first year after the split. Men, on the other hand, saw continued income growth.

After Divorce, Women Rebound Faster But Stay In Poverty Longer*|*Brendan Lyle

[elaine567]

This is true, hence the reason why you wouldn't see many women dating a garbage collector, shelf stacker, road sweeper, non-F-150 driver

THis ^^^^

 

What a ridicuous thing to say...

[Xiang]

Someone said it simply.

Women aren't women anymore and men are not men, just a few are from each gender. How they got that way...well idk on what to blame it.

And that's about it :\.

Men became pussies, women got balls.

 

PS: I also know a few couples where the woman makes more than the man, married. She wears the pants in the house. it's not that rare ^^ when the couples start young and met before they started working.

[Tayken]

THis ^^^^

 

What a ridicuous thing to say...

 

 

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt. I suppose you will be / are with a guy that earns less than you? I mean we are online , so it will be convenient to say yes.

 

[elaine567]

Men became pussies, women got balls.

 

It's called equality.

A levelling up of the sexes, because it is NOT fair, any other way.

[Tayken]

It's called equality.

A levelling up of the sexes, because it is NOT fair, any other way.

 

But it's fair for a guy to always pay for dates, pay more into the household, only for a woman to get 50% in the end, or does "fairness" only work when it comes to getting things the feminine way????

[elaine567]

But it's fair for a guy to always pay for dates, pay more into the household, only for a woman to get 50% in the end, or does "fairness" only work when it comes to getting things the feminine way????

 

I forgot that in your world, women only take...

[Tayken]

I forgot that in your world, women only take...

 

 

Oh...so you don't subscribe to the other discussion then that it's a man's duty to pay for dates???? Please shock me and say NO because then everything you are saying will make sense

[Snaggletooth]

It's called equality.

A levelling up of the sexes, because it is NOT fair, any other way.

 

Sorry Elaine, that is one of the most corrupt and dangerous statements I have ever read.

 

Women can aspire to be all they wish to be but if they think equality is only found by weakening men......

[elaine567]

Sorry Elaine, that is one of the most corrupt and dangerous statements I have ever read.

 

Women can aspire to be all they wish to be but if they think equality is only found by weakening men......

 

If men are all powerful, which in many societies they are, then how are women going to get any foothold in the world.

Men have to loosen that power in order for women to succeed surely?

 

If a man for instance controls all the finances in the relationship, then as regards finance the women is powerless. He has 100% say she has 0%.

In order for equality to exist the man must cede 50% of his say over the couple's finances, so that both have a 50% say, so that both have 50% of the power over finances.

Same with everything, men must cede some power, in order for women to be equal.

[Tayken]

Women can aspire to be all they wish to be but if they think equality is only found by weakening men..

Me me me.....how did the following women get a foot up in the world?

 

The World's Most Powerful Women 2014 - Forbes

 

I know, they educated themselves, established a professional career and started shattering glass ceiling.

 

Now imagine that. Simply not doing anything and expecting to get somewhere in life, is ludicrous

 

If a man for instance controls all the finances in the relationship, then as regards finance the women is powerless. He has 100% say she has 0%.

 

Err..he will be labelled "controlling" and a "narcissist"

[Woggle]

It's called equality.

A levelling up of the sexes, because it is NOT fair, any other way.

 

It is possible to bring women up without pushing men down. Women's empowerment does not have to come at the price of squashing masculinity which in turn creates men that most women ironically are not even attracted to and that includes the women who advocate such an approach. I have seen how attracted some hardcore feminists get when they meet a man with enough self respect to stand up for himself.

[elaine567]

It is possible to bring women up without pushing men down. Women's empowerment does not have to come at the price of squashing masculinity which in turn creates men that most women ironically are not even attracted to and that includes the women who advocate such an approach. I have seen how attracted some hardcore feminists get when they meet a man with enough self respect to stand up for himself.

 

But surely men and women who have enough self respect to stand up for themselves is good, no?

Equality is not about squashing men to the ground, but there has to be some space made for women to develop and grow and for that to happen, some powerful men are going to have to give way.

 

In my finance analogy the woman is not squashing him down to having 0% say, she is not taking over, she is merely taking her 50% of the say, BUT in order to get there, HE has to give 50% of his previous 100% to her.

[Tayken]

Men giving way to women......clever brainy women mind you, as opposed to the high school dropouts / barely finished types

 

The World's Most Powerful Women 2014 - Forbes

[SomeDude16]

Well I have no problem with feminism if the goal is equality. But....When women try and get that equality by bringing men down instead of bringing women up, that's when I start to have a problem.

[Tayken]

Well I have no problem with feminism if the goal is equality. But....When women try and get that equality by bringing men down instead of bringing women up, that's when I start to have a problem.

 

 

Touche.....They want to remain stagnant (not having to work for it), and still claim equality...how bizarre

 

In my experience as a professional career man, strong like-minded women have no problem standing up to men and embracing equality for both sexes, it's the women that don't have much going for them that become needy / demanding / entitled...thanks to Mommy raising them to think the world owes them and things will be given to them on a platter. Want to blame somebody, look closer to home and blame the root cause....

 

Education will always be everyone's legacy, and those that choose to embrace it will reap the rewards in the end.

[Snaggletooth]

If men are all powerful, which in many societies they are, then how are women going to get any foothold in the world.

Men have to loosen that power in order for women to succeed surely?

 

If a man for instance controls all the finances in the relationship, then as regards finance the women is powerless. He has 100% say she has 0%.

In order for equality to exist the man must cede 50% of his say over the couple's finances, so that both have a 50% say, so that both have 50% of the power over finances.

Same with everything, men must cede some power, in order for women to be equal.

 

Thing is, you were not talking finances, you were talking about pussyfing men as the only fair way. That's oppression, subjugation, persecution, abuse of power, abuse of a human being, purposeful cruelty, denial of rights, nature, freedom and self.

 

You're talking about breaking the mind, nature and spirit of human beings. Which is pretty much what has happened to the lads in the OP.

 

 

There will never be equality and fairness in such an act.

 

I think, maybe, you don't realise what you are suggesting does to a man. If you did, I very much doubt you would suggest it. This has been my point in throughout the thread, though. There is a serious lack of understanding, and therefore a serious failing, of men in recent years.

Edited December 27, 2014 by Snaggletooth