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Then instead of focusing pages on breasts maybe threads should be started and discussed with men learning to respect women as other beings and not sexual objects there for their whim.

 

Sounds like a far better culture anyway.

 

Men will stop objectifying women, when women stop getting enhancement surgery to a C or D cup.

 

Men aren't forcing women to get implants. These women are perpetuating and projecting their own superficial body traits onto society.

 

Men will stop looking at females as sexual objects, when females stop buying makeup and other "superficial products." Just put on some glasses and get obese.

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I don't know where this "blind invincibility" or "blind ignorance of men" comes from.

 

Rapists will look for any reason or opportunity to rape a woman. It doesn't mean a woman has to foolishly or stupidly provide that reason in an unsafe place.

 

But if you really want to get DD implants and walk down the street in your Bra and Panties, then more Female power to you!!! Girl Power!!! Perpetuate the superficial culture memes and female objectification.

 

Just to clarify, rape has NOTHING to do with sex and EVERYTHING to do with power and control.

 

I suggest we steer clear of the rape issue on this thread since it's a hot button issue and warrants its own thread.

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What I will say for sure though... is lots more guys hate plastic much more than they hate flat. Especially if the woman likes the way she was born. The plastic surgery industry doesn't tell women that nearly all breast surgeries require revision at some point... and all those surgeries create scars and the outcomes aren't all that predictable.

 

My girlfriends who had implants claimed the quality of the guys they attracted with fake boobs were much less than the guys they attracted when they had little or none.

 

One of them really got tired of getting hit on by low-lifes (it seems the higher quality guys had some clue hers weren't real... how many 40 somethings have perfectly perky C cups? Um, none). She got them removed, and found a super nice guy not long afterwards. Lucky for her though, she had no after effects and she didn't have them all that long.

 

 

I've seen a few girls with breast implants, primarily strippers with breast implants. They look very unnatural and weird and are very hard when touched. Its uncomfortable for a guy to feel. I suppose it depends on the doctor she used, and if it were "cheap implants" or higher end implants. I think there is one method where there is less scarring and the implant is inserted through the nipple. Also, certain types of silicone are softer to touch and look more natural. There are some large breasted porn stars that look natural (or the fakes sagged over time) but then there are women like Pam Anderson that you know they are fake.

 

The reason those women dated "low lifes and low quality men" is that the "pervs, bad boys, and rapists" have less impulse control and are easily and uncontrollably aroused by big fake boobs. Those men are seeking sexual gratification first and only. They will treat a big boobed woman like a sexual object and with less respect. They will also put more energy into hitting on big boobed women. Men with poor impulse control are more likely to engage in bad behavior.

 

While the nice, smart, nerdy guys won't go after the "playmate girls" because they have manners, they have impulse control, they have time-consuming jobs, they don't want a "partying stripper" as a housewife, and they don't want to deal with the competition and jealousy of other bad boys constantly hitting on his wife.

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Would you have the same responds to a woman who got implants to move from an a cup to a c cup?

 

Depends on why she got the implants.

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My girlfriends who had implants claimed the quality of the guys they attracted with fake boobs were much less than the guys they attracted when they had little or none.

 

One of them really got tired of getting hit on by low-lifes (it seems the higher quality guys had some clue hers weren't real... how many 40 somethings have perfectly perky C cups? Um, none). She got them removed, and found a super nice guy not long afterwards. Lucky for her though, she had no after effects and she didn't have them all that long.

 

Hey, but to each his/her own. Like I said. I think the best guys probably aren't that keen on plastic and have their doubts about how secure the woman is. I don't blame flat chested women or those with medical issues from getting them. Noone wants to feel like a freak or an outlier. But there is a price, and it isn't just in $$. These aren't things the plastic surgeons would share with them.

 

I point women interested in this to RealSelf, since they get first hand advice from real women and not hype from doctors and the media.

I'd say your friend carried herself differently depending on whether she had her implants or not. She appealed to certain guys at certain times, C-cup is not that big. Men really aren't this complicated, they won't refrain from asking out a woman just because her boobs are too perky. She dressed differently and carried herself differently, that makes perfect sense.

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Men will stop objectifying women, when women stop getting enhancement surgery to a C or D cup.

 

Men aren't forcing women to get implants. These women are perpetuating and projecting their own superficial body traits onto society.

 

Men will stop looking at females as sexual objects, when females stop buying makeup and other "superficial products." Just put on some glasses and get obese.

 

 

You aint gettin it, bro....

 

There is nothing at all wrong with women doing what they want..Id say that the majority just want to do it for their own self esteem/confidence.....Its no different than guys going to gyms and/or dressing nicely..

 

I work out hard and think I have a pretty good body...Its for me and makes me feel better that I can look at myself in the mirror and feel good and I love being strong..And I have the side benefit of less health concerns..I never did it for women and dont really care what they think...If they think its good...great, I guess...*shrug*

 

Its nothing to do with being superficial, for most women...anyway...

 

Sure, there are some that will use this as a "cheap" way of getting some attention...If you scratch the surface with these women, though you will find that they really offer little else..so perhaps its just a desperation move on their part...Just like the moron meathead gym rat guys that walk around in wife beaters in the middle of January...

 

And Stevie Wonder could tell the difference....

 

TFY

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I'm not entirely convinced that women who get breasts enlargements don't really do it 100% for themselves, she has to be doing it in order to attract men to a CERTAIN extent, right?

 

I'm sure various women make changes to their breasts for all sorts of reasons including some they'll admit to, some they won't admit to, and some they may not even be aware of. I also think that women should be able to make whatever surgical changes to their breasts that they like (within the bounds of what modern medicine/surgery considers safe and ethical at the time) and, in general, it's none of anybody else's business whether a woman has them made bigger or smaller or different in some other way.

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Men will stop objectifying women, when women stop getting enhancement surgery to a C or D cup.

 

Men aren't forcing women to get implants. These women are perpetuating and projecting their own superficial body traits onto society.

 

Men will stop looking at females as sexual objects, when females stop buying makeup and other "superficial products." Just put on some glasses and get obese.

 

Oh my God, you simply cannot be serious. This has got to be the funniest/not funniest thing I've read all day. You do know that women have been raped and objectified and generally punished for having bodies that are female since looooooooooooong before plastic surgery existed!!!

 

You're all over the place. First you argue it's biology, then you say the implants are to blame. You say that women are responsible for the media's obsession with women's looks, but also tell us that men get all rapey around big-breasted women.

 

You are twisting yourself into a pretzel to blame women for their own bodies and what you say men want to do to them. It's kind of painful to watch, actually.

 

Bottom line: If you think rape culture's a problem, as it sure sounds like you do, then maybe it's reasonable to ask men (like you) to do something about it.

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Men will stop looking at females as sexual objects, when females stop buying makeup and other "superficial products." Just put on some glasses and get obese.

 

Go explain that to the civilizations that force women to completely cover themselves up/stay in the house all the time. Or do you think sexual objectification, harassment and rape don't exist there?

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You do realize that the Modern Family show has won 4 emmy's in a row for Best Show on TV. So its about the most mainstream show on American TV right now. I've only seen a couple of episodes but if you watch Sofia, you will realize the media's obsession with promoting and hiring actresses with big breasts. Mad Men also has one actress with large breasts.

 

As I said before, just because a woman gets implants for personal reasons, she does not live in an isolated bubble. A C or D cup WILL sexually arouse Men around her, that is a fact of human nature, not a choice that can be subdued.

 

Perhaps women are not as "physically stimulated by naked men." I'm here to tell you that Men are very visual creatures and Men are very very very "physically stimulated by naked women and very superficial."

 

Sexual attraction and arousal is an instinct and an emotion, it is not a choice.

 

Are women sexually attracted to images of Brad Pitt or George Clooney?

Are women sexually attracted to intelligent men like Bill Clinton and Obama?

 

Men are sexually attracted and aroused by women with big boobs and big fake boobs.

 

Also, as I mentioned before, don't you dare only blame men for creating a "superficial culture of breasts." Women are just as nasty and mean to each other for "flat chested women" or "big breasted women."

 

If that flat chested women got implants because she was "insecure that her friends were making fun of her." Then that fault lies with her female friends, and not from the men that were dumping her. Blame her "insecurities" on other women being vile and perpetuating superficial body myths.

Enough red herring here to feed a small town

 

I'm going to take some advice I got from somewhere else on the web:

Don't bother arguing with fools on the Internet, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

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I'd rather be with a woman more secure in her own body and not trying to "enhance" to attract other men.

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The one I posted about, ironicall, I met at a pool party event through a Facebook party invite. A lot of people were there, but she was the only one prancing around in a string bikini when sh first arrived, other women (unless they were actually in the pool/water) were covered (shirts/clothes over their swimsuits) when they were socializing.

 

You may think, "Well, of course she was in a bikini, she needs a swimsuit to get in the water."

 

She was one of those types that never go in the water, even if she's wearing a bikini. lol. I think she said she didn't want her hair messed up by getting it wet or something. So while I and others tried to enjoy ourselves in the pool...not giving a rats arse how we looked playing pool volley ball, she was just sitting on the side lines "looking pretty."

 

She would always be saying, "Sheesh, I feel so naked in this thing." She'd make attention making remarks in regards to how "skimpy" her outfit looks, like she has everyone checking her out or something. I'm like "um, yeaaah!"

 

I think she was some how trying to draw attention to herselves with those remarks.

 

Typically there are those personality types that love being the center of attention and if you're of that personality type, why not take it up notch with getting implants, right? :laugh:

 

You drive me nuts with your posts of analyzing women, it drove me nuts when a poster here told her childhood story and the only thing you have to say to it is asking if hers were as big as some women's you posted.

 

You are always going to have issues being in a women's presence nothing about women seems to please you since every post you make is basically towards nit picking them apart.

 

Why dont you start worrying about yourself because while you speak of constant personality flaws you make your personality flaw show hugely you cast extreme judgment on others without knowing their personal ideals, views or reasons.

 

Just stop it would do you well to try to look for good in people rather search for their flaws all the time.

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I have wanted boobs all my life. Why? simply to feel more feminine, more in proportion. Now obviously boobs aren't the only thing that makes a women feminine and I do actually have my original set but for me I'd like them to be a visible part of the overall picture. So why at 45 do I not have them? Well age has resulted in the shifting and sagging of other body parts that I am now more focused on (and will be fixing) as well as a nose that no longer looks like my nose because of sinus surgery and one to many hits to the bridge. But the biggest reason for not getting them is because a)most men although may like one size over another don't really care when it comes to finding someone for a long term partner b) many men like the visual of breast but do not care for the feel of implants and c) my lil boobs are very sensitive and I would hate to loose that sensitivity which can and often does happen with implants. Plus, implants are like tires...replacement after so many miles :)

 

With all that said I have several friends with implants...most look fantastic. Good doctors that understood the importance of size in determining a good outcome as well as the availability of silicone which does give a much more natural looking (and feeling) result. A few of those women did it because they were crushed by what happen to their breast after pregnancy. One literally went from a nice full B cup prior to pregnancy to a couple of hanging prunes...her self esteem was shattered and it crippled her sex life. The implants transformed her back to her pre-baby body and needless to say her husband is glad his wife feels confident again :)

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You got a reduction because you felt that your breasts were giving you too much negative attention?!

 

You should have learned to be proud of your body and use your assets to your advantage.

 

Going through surgery is such an extreme reaction.

 

You're thinking as a man, and not taking in what she said. Other peoples' reactions to your chest can be embarrassing. Try substituting "boobs" for "height", if there was an operation that could make you taller.

 

How exactly was she supposed to use her boobs to her advantage?

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I'm not entirely convinced that women who get breasts enlargements don't really do it 100% for themselves, she has to be doing it in order to attract men to a CERTAIN extent, right?

 

I'm always a bit curious about this whole "women do X to attract men..." "no we don't, we do it for ourselves" thing. Assuming we're talking about heterosexual women, can it not be a bit of both?

 

It seems to me that as soon as a woman is adjudicated as doing something in order to attract men, she's regarded in some quarters as fair game for all manner of criticism and accusations. Not least the "she's asking for it..." one. It generally being some sort of obnoxious approach or assault as opposed to just increased interest.

 

Yes, women do often do things to attract men or to get male attention. There's nothing wrong with that. The only problem is that as well as attention from the men they're interested in they might get attention from men they have no interest in. It's not a crime for a woman to do things that she believes will make her more attractive to men. Nor is it automatically needy or insecure. In the case of something like boob implants, because a fairly serious operation (with all the health risks attached) is involved it's more likely to come across as insecurity or neediness....but a lot of women do get them.

 

I'm not really sure why "doing it for myself" would be a more balanced sounding reason than "doing it to be more attractive to men". However I think sometimes we may be reluctant to admit to wanting or enjoying male attention, because of

 

a) the frequency with which we are judged very negatively for it.

b) the possibility that bad behaviour of men towards us will be seen by some as "mitigated" by the our desire for attention.

 

It's perfectly normal for a heterosexual woman to want male attention, and I don't think breast implants are in themselves a socially unacceptable method of trying to get them - though one might raise an eyebrow about the health risks and/or argue that wearing a low cut top that shows them off is pretty stupid if the woman is going to get really upset about men looking at her boobs. The fact that a woman chose to get implants doesn't negate the man's duty to be appropriate and reasonably respectful in his behaviour, though. Having implants doesn't make her fair game to be treated as any less of a human being.

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Men will stop objectifying women, when women stop getting enhancement surgery to a C or D cup.

 

Men aren't forcing women to get implants. These women are perpetuating and projecting their own superficial body traits onto society.

 

 

Yeah, okay. Men will actually exhibit self-control, when a woman completely covers up? What country does that sound like? And what if she's still attacked or at least leered at? What would have been her fault at that point?

 

My boobs are my own, no enhanced in any way. I've received comments on them since they were given to me, before I even became a teenager. I would feel odd without them now, but then? I didn't want them so big, and envied my sister who is almost flat-chested. People make all sorts of assumptions about you, based on that chest. I knew a small-chested woman, who had a male friend appease her by saying that all the boys knew that girls with large chests, just had them for attention - like we hit a button to increase or decrease in size, or somehow special-ordered them.

 

Once again, we can't win. If we have large chests, then we're asking for trouble. If we have small chests, then we aren't feminine, and need to do something in order to better fill out an outfit, or turn on our boyfriends. :rolleyes: My sister used to tell me that she wished she had my chest. I told her that she shouldn't, and then she decided that maybe half the amount would do.

 

Men will stop looking at females as sexual objects, when females stop buying makeup and other "superficial products." Just put on some glasses and get obese.

 

Oh, it was that simple all along? I'm sorry that I made it so difficult for men to restrain themselves, all these years. I'm such a stupid little woman, who could have just gained a few hundred pounds. Here I thought they could just keep their mouths shut, maybe show some integrity, and set a good example for other men.

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You're thinking as a man, and not taking in what she said. Other peoples' reactions to your chest can be embarrassing. Try substituting "boobs" for "height", if there was an operation that could make you taller.

 

Uh, I can't think of a situation where it would be embarrassing to get attention because I was taller.

 

 

How exactly was she supposed to use her boobs to her advantage?

 

You should ask her, because that's exactly what she did even after she got a reduction.

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Uh, I can't think of a situation where it would be embarrassing to get attention because I was taller.

 

I'm guessing Anela meant that if you feel you get negative attention for something over which you have no control - being short - you can try to relate to what it would feel like for getting negative attention for something else over which a woman has no control - having a certain chest size. And then, if you could have surgery to correct that something, about which you've been anxious and unhappy your whole life and has made you terribly self-conscious, then perhaps you would.

 

I know that a possible response to this would be that you can only see large boobs as a good thing. If so, sigh. But it's a thought exercise that might provoke empathy for why someone might make a bodily alteration that has provided a lot of personal unhappiness, so worth putting out there, anyway.

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My boobs are my own, no enhanced in any way. I've received comments on them since they were given to me, before I even became a teenager. I would feel odd without them now, but then? I didn't want them so big, and envied my sister who is almost flat-chested. People make all sorts of assumptions about you, based on that chest. I knew a small-chested woman, who had a male friend appease her by saying that all the boys knew that girls with large chests, just had them for attention - like we hit a button to increase or decrease in size, or somehow special-ordered them.

 

Some outfits look better on flat chested women - others require that the woman have pretty big boobs (or else a lot of padding) to carry them off. I think for the most part women are more concerned about an overall look that suits our shapes and projects our personalities than we are about getting attention from every male that passes. So it's partly about pleasing oneself (dressing in a way that expresses and suits who you are) and partly about sending out signals to other people...so that any attention you get is from the "right" people (whether they be potential romantic prospects or potential friends).

 

I think that women with big boobs do tend to look better in quite sexy clothes that will emphasise their hourglass shape. Too much covering up can result in a frumpy look - and that's something that men might quite often not fully appreciate. That for some women, what they're wearing might be less about wanting to look very sexual as it might be about just not wanting to appear frumpy.

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Go explain that to the civilizations that force women to completely cover themselves up/stay in the house all the time. Or do you think sexual objectification, harassment and rape don't exist there?

 

I don't know about the rules and laws of mid-east countries, it seems like their police and constitution are very lax.

 

Women just want "TEASE" just for the sake of teasing. She wants attention but she doesn't want men to stare, grope, or touch.

 

Frankly, that sounds bi-polar to me. Either a girl wants to be Superficial and Beautiful, and want men to appreciate her beauty and breasts. Or she doesn't want attention from men.

 

She can't have it both ways. She can't get breast implants and not want men to stare or notice her implants. She can get implants and move to a nunnery I suppose if she doesn't want men to leer.

 

That's why its so confusing for men to understand a woman. She says one thing, but her actions show something different. She wants men to notice her mind, but then she gets huge fake implants that stick out of her body. How is a man going to notice her mind, when he has big fake boobs sticking in his face?

 

This is where Feminism branches out. There are the traditional Feminists who just want to focus on working and de-objectification. Then their are the "sexual feminists" who want to use their bodies, beauty, and sexual attraction to control men, and get ahead to make money.

 

Then there are the few "Teasing Independent Feminists" who just want to be left alone by men, and want to self-love in the mirror. I will admit, some women want to achieve a "Queen Bee" mentality, and have the biggest breasts to achieve a higher societal place in the hierarchy. The essence of femininity that distinguishes a female from the male (besides the vagina) is the size of a woman's breasts. Instead of feeling like a A-cup androgenous teenage boy, a woman wants to feel like a "real mature woman" by obtaining plastic breasts. Breasts are a symbol of woman-hood and femininity.

 

Both men and women accept that Breasts are as powerful to the human life cycle of child-rearing/breast-feeding, as a male's penis is to creating a baby.

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You aint gettin it, bro....

 

There is nothing at all wrong with women doing what they want..Id say that the majority just want to do it for their own self esteem/confidence.....Its no different than guys going to gyms and/or dressing nicely..

 

I work out hard and think I have a pretty good body...Its for me and makes me feel better that I can look at myself in the mirror and feel good and I love being strong..And I have the side benefit of less health concerns..I never did it for women and dont really care what they think...If they think its good...great, I guess...*shrug*

 

Its nothing to do with being superficial, for most women...anyway...

 

Sure, there are some that will use this as a "cheap" way of getting some attention...If you scratch the surface with these women, though you will find that they really offer little else..so perhaps its just a desperation move on their part...Just like the moron meathead gym rat guys that walk around in wife beaters in the middle of January...

 

And Stevie Wonder could tell the difference....

 

TFY

 

It doesn't matter why a woman got breast implants, Men are going to stare at any woman with big fake boobs.

 

Is it really that difficult to comprehend?

 

Do want to re-wire men so that they can no longer see a woman's breast size?

 

But then I suppose that would diminish the entire reasoning for breast implants in the first place. If no one notices your fake implants, then is it worth getting implants in the first place? (except for breast cancer replacement).

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It doesn't matter why a woman got breast implants, Men are going to stare at any woman with big fake boobs.

 

Is it really that difficult to comprehend?

 

Do want to re-wire men so that they can no longer see a woman's breast size?

 

But then I suppose that would diminish the entire reasoning for breast implants in the first place. If no one notices your fake implants, then is it worth getting implants in the first place? (except for breast cancer replacement).

 

But women have their own perception of breast size and proportion, regardless of what men see, prefer, or think.

 

If no one noticed, but the woman herself feels more attractive in clothes, it's worth it to her.

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But women have their own perception of breast size and proportion, regardless of what men see, prefer, or think.

 

If no one noticed, but the woman herself feels more attractive in clothes, it's worth it to her.

 

Are y'all sure you're debating the point with someone who's actually seen a boob or two?

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Mammaries eh?

 

 

Are y'all sure you're debating the point with someone who's actually seen a boob or two?
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Mammaries eh?

 

<In a Bob Hope voice>

 

Thanks for the mammaries

 

Large or small, real or fake

 

I appreciate them all for their own sake

 

How lovely they are

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