"...that's the danger in going my own way..."--who else can relate besides me

January 21, 2005

So last time I was on this board I thought I was in love with my friend. Somehow I got over that and was happy to be a friend to the girl. But recently it's worse than being in love with her.

Does anyone else NOT drink alcohol in this world besides me? I'm sick and tired of finding friends who I think share the same dedication to not drinking, and then later on down the road I'm left in the dust as they decide to start goin to bars/parties and drinking. I don't think drinking is inherintly wrong, I'm just tired of feeling alone in this world. When you don't drink, it's hard to form truely close friendships with people who do, because you have two different ideas of "fun".

This friend of mine. Best friends 4+ years. She rarely partied and only drank very, very rarely. We developed a very close friendship, because neither of us went out with others in college and partied or went to bars. We found other ways to have fun in college. Last year she had a bad fight with some friends, doesn't talk to them anymore--and this year started to hang out with other people to make new friends. Before winter break she went to a bar one night and had some fun. Now that we're back at school, she's gone out every week, sometimes not coming home (at least she's not drinking and driving.) I can't help but feel abandoned. It seemed like an unspoken agreement to each other--that we didn't go out to bars and party. Now she seems proud that she drinks, on the verge of bragging about it.

I've made a commitment to myself. I don't want to drink. But alcohol has separated me from many of my friends in the past, and I fear that it is separating me from my best friend. Now she thinks alcohol is "fun". And leaves me to sit at home and watch tv. I'm tired of being lonely from living my life in the way that I want to. She was my support network, so I knew that the way I live was acceptable, because she did the same. Now that support is gone.

My parents don't have many friends. They are almost 60 years old. The friends they do have, my parents don't hang out with very often becaue they get drunk and my parents don't. Growing up, they always told me that they didn't hang out with people from our small-hickville town, cause they didn't like going to the bar. I always thought that I wanted to have more friends to hang out with when I was their age. Now I see myself heading down the same lonely road. Is there anyone who can relate?

John Mayer sums it up: "Everybody is just a stranger, but that's the danger in going my own way. Guess it's the price I have to pay now."

January 21, 2005

Although I have had addiction problems for about 6 years now, and I recently fell off the wagon, I do understand....when I was sober for 3 1/2 years I could not BE around alcohol and I often remember complaining about the fact that every social event or occassion in the universe seems centered around alcohol.

My sober years were hard. They will be again - because I was alone often. I had friends who were dry alcholoics who went to the bar and drank water with lemon or sodas, but it's annoying and irritating to be around people who are drunk (especially when you would LOVE to be drunk yourself).

Anyways, stay firm in your beliefs. You'll meet someone who is into that stuff too (probably a recovering alcoholic, to be honest with you, since those are the only people I've ever known to be religious about avoiding the sauce).

January 21, 2005

I don't have a taste for beer or wine or alcohol, though every once in a great while, I'll consume about 1/2 a drink. I guess I'd much rather piss away money on a good meal, or even better, chocolate

that was my problem in high school: coming from a small town where the only thing to do WAS drink, I felt like the odd one out. In college, it wasn't much better in some instances, because the people I worked with at a hotel in town were serious party-ers and drinkers. I absolutely HATED being bugged about my decision to not drink, and after awhile I'd make up excuses to avoid going to parties, I just didn't "get" the let's-hang-around-and-try-to-outdrink each other bit.

now, my other group of friends, the ones from the campus paper, also had some folks who liked to imbibe, but there wasn't such an emphasis on getting flat-*ssed drunk whenever we got together, so I felt more at ease with that group. If someone wasn't drinking, they didn't have to defend themselves, it was simply accepted that they weren't drinking.

my theory is that those people who rely on alcohol or drugs to "make" the party or gathering more interesting is because they lack a certain sense of maturity to find other ways to connect with people. this is not meant to be a put-down, mind you, just my very awkward way of saying I think they don't let themselves get past that high school mentality of booze or drugs being the only thing that'll keep things interesting. As if being drunk or high is enough in and of itself ...

it doesn't get any better as you get older, unless you develop a core group of friends who don't place such an emphasis on doing those kinds of things, who find other ways to keep themselves entertained. They're out there, you've just got to take the time to cultivate those relationships. That way you've got a balance of "party" friends, and those who can kick back without going into frat-boy mode!!!

your friend-girl sounds like she's trying to reinvent herself since the falling out with her usual group of friends. If she's a dear friend, close enough to not take offense at you telling her so, let her know you miss your "quiet" times together, where the focus wasn't on getting drunk, then leave it at that. Either she'll get the idea that she doesn't have to shxt-can all her old relationships or she doesn't ...

January 21, 2005

Ok the problem some people who dont drink(not singling you out) is that they make a point of it. They almost

talk down to people who do drink, like they are weak or something.

That being said, people who drink like to drink with other people. Its like anything. Smokers stick together.

People who smoke weed, have a different vibe than people who drink. Meaning, if person a) is drunk

and person b) is stoned, they dont mesh very well. The drinkers will hang with the drinkers and the

weed smokers will hang with the weed smokers.

Just because your friend drinks and you dont, dosnt mean they dont like you. But when you are out at

a bar drinking and one of your friends isnt, it can be kinda a buzz kill. You want everyone to have as much

fun as you are having. The sober people arnt as relaxed and crazy as you are. So you go hang out with

the drunk people.

If you dont want to drink, then you are gonna find yourself in a small minority. Not your fault or thier fault,

just the nature of the beast.

January 21, 2005

You want everyone to have as much fun as you are having

true ... but there ARE those annoying people who don't respect your choice to have fun without getting wasted. It becomes a killjoy when people start hounding you about why you don't drink, and frankly, you start resenting them and their drinking because they refuse to lay off. Sort of like when someone gives you advice on the same subject. After a couple of times of them insisting on why you don't take it, it starts to sound like nagging

The sober people aren't as relaxed and crazy as you are

ever watch someone with a sugar buzz? they're much more fun to be around a paranoid drunk. at least in my experience, the drunks get paranoid. though that could be because I like screwing with their minds!

January 21, 2005

but if you flat out direspect someone's personal choice then yes, they will probably get defensive no matter what that choice may be.

if you feel you are being beraded, ask the person to respect your decisions as you respect theirs. if they cannot/ do not then move on.

January 21, 2005

It comes down to the you or them factor. Most people drink. And being in the early 20's thats when most people

indulge in the most drinking. People tend to hang around people who have similar interesting. And drinking

is an activity.

When you drink you are way more relaxed and music/dancind/parties tend to be way more personal and fun.

Im not saying you cant have fun if you dont drink, but if you havnt drank, you dont know you definitly dont know

what you are missing.

There are always people who try to force thier beliefs onto someone else. I say if you dont want to drink,

try hanging around with people who think like you. Or else you are gonna be feeling left out of the group.

January 21, 2005

Thanks quankanne and blind_otter, you don't know how much I needed to hear that. Well, maybe you could tell, but still.

And thank you Mr Obvious, for telling me I'm in the minority. You're a real life-saver. Do you have any idea how ridiculous it feels when you're the only sober one around? I don't feel comfortable around drunk people, cause I always feel it's just the booze talking to me and not the person that I know. And they might say stuff that they will feel embarrassed about later, or maybe never remember saying it in the first place. I don't think that everyone who drinks is weak. At the same time, you'd better believe it takes a lot of strength to stand ground and not drink, when you've got people who want you to abandon your choice of lifestyle. And could it, just maybe, be that people encourage others to drink for the *same* reason I want to hear from people who don't drink? Could it be because we all want some sort of verification that the way we choose to live our life is ok? Maybe that's the real reason that drunk people hang out with other drunk people. Not your fault or their fault, just the nature of the beast.

I have *had* to make a point out of not drinking on occasion because I don't want to be bugged by people who want me to drink. It's especially annoying when people who know I don't drink, and have known for a long time, still push for me to do it. That's just disrespectful, and a little hurtful. I never say anything about not drinking unless someone starts teasing me about it. Why would I want to? It just singles me out more.

January 21, 2005

I dont think they are bugging you to drink because they want to be jerks. Like i said, its fun to drink and you

want other people to at least have that fun once.

Why did you choose not to drink. Have you ever had a drink before? Not being a jerk or anything, just

wondering. Religious, health choice, family, personal choice. I never drank before i was 19 because i

use to be very religious. Then one day i decided to try it. Loved it ever since

There is just a time and place for everything, and as you get older the getting drunk every weekend thing

wears off. Then its just special occasions.

January 21, 2005

I don't drink because I don't want to get to the point where alcohol has to be a factor in the fun things that I do. It's something my parents have taught me, and I believe it. I don't think that alcohol is evil or anything, but it has been a factor in car accidents, rapings, and countless other horrible events. I don't drink because I want to be in control of myself, and it's a personal commitment. I know that I could just try one and have one every now and then, and not be a drunk, but I know that can easily lead to more than you intend, especially if you're drunk. Not to mention the health aspects--my family already has heart disease on both sides, which I will undoubtedly fall into.

Many kids in high school drink so that they can fit in. If I *ever* drink, I don't want it to be under peer pressure, or because of the need to fit in. Too many times when you do something to fit in, it doesn't do you good in the end anyway--no matter what the scenario is.

I respect people who enjoy a drink here and there on social events. But my friend is going out every week to the bars, and abandoning one of the foundations of our friendship.

January 21, 2005

Well i can definitly respect that. Drinking is responisble for lots of bad things for sure, but it kinda brings out

the 'real' person if you will. I personally am a happy drunk. I am very personable, and love to chat with people.

A people person. I know other people who become angry and fighty when they drink.

You are not outta control when youdrink. I've tried alot of different things when i was younger(drugs) and

alcohol is the best because it still leaves you in control(unless you drink WAY too much) Oh and dont

drink and drive.

I really dont think your friends mean to treat you badly or differently because you dont drink. Its just

different than the norm. Like meeting someone who is from sweden. Dont see many of those

January 21, 2005

Im not saying you cant have fun if you dont drink, but if you haven't drank, you dont know you definitly dont know what you are missing.

There are always people who try to force their beliefs onto someone else

can you say "ironic"?

maybe people like Bob know exactly what he's giving up when he choses not to imbibe, and they're all okay with it. It's the people around him, well-meaning though they may be, who become demanding when they don't respect his decision and keep "encouraging" him to let loose. And that's when it becomes a breeding ground for resentment .... why should a non-drinker have to give up his values just to please a bunch of people who don't respect him?

January 22, 2005

Thanks for the support. I dunno, the real issue here for me is that my there is that I feel like alcohol is taking my friend away from me. You can say it's my fault for deciding not to drink, and maybe it is, but the fact still remains that I feel like this big divider is splitting my friendship like an ax. She's out again tonight. At least that's what her away message says. I don't know for sure where she is, but she didn't tell me. She went out last night. That's two nights in a row, for someone who not even 3 months ago never went to bars.

You guys don't understand. She is the only person who ever really accepted me fully for who I am. I've made some great friends, and met some wonderful people in the past, but none have been so close to me as her, because everyone else would go out drinking, and she and I wouldn't. The fact that she didn't drink or party, allowed me to form an incredibly close relationship with her. That's why I struggled in the past with "loving" her (I got over that). But she's still that friend. We did other things and had a heck of a lot of fun. I have some incredibly awesome people that I worked with at a summer camp for 5 years. They are *incredibly* good people. But I've never been able to form deeper friendship with anyone, because they go out to drink for fun.

I know she can tell that it makes me uncomfortable when she goes out to drink. She probably thinks I'm "looking down on her". But that's not why I'm feeling like this. And my reactions may just be pushing her away further. I'm trying to just accept that she's changed, I try to hide my reactions from her. But it brings me down so much that it ruins my whole day.

People keep telling me to find friends who don't drink. I had found my friend--for 4 f****n years. Now she'd rather go out and drink than hang out with me. I can't describe how much that hurts. Compounded with the fact that I don't feel like I fit in with anyone--(too conservitive for liberals and too liberal for conservatives). I don't know where I am anymore. She was the person I depended on as the one friend who stood on the same level as me.

January 22, 2005

Well what exactly is wrong with drinking if the only other option to it is to be alone? I know lots of

fantastic people who drink. As you get older you drink less. Binge drinking is for the young(mostly).

I think you are looking at this the wrong way. You seem to be letting go of your best friend because you

dont want to drink. Not your best friend is choosing drinking over you. I'm sure she would love

if you came to the bar. But then you wouldnt enjoy yourself because being sober around drunk

people is like going to the dentist.

Im sorry if i asked this already. What is it about drinking that you think is bad. I think what people say

when they are drunk is 100% more truthful then what they say when they are sober(although they

might denigh is later ) And i've done tons of stupid stuff when sober too. As long as the person

knows thier limits, they will be in control of themselves.

Ok right, solutions. Have you thought about going to a church. That would probably be the best

bet for finding people who dont drink. .......you know.....thats about all i can think about. Actually

maybe you should go to AA meetings. Those guys shouldnt be drinkng at least, and would probably

appreciate someone who dosnt drink around. Maybe charities are something to look into. Helping

out at a hospital. Patients cant drink, and i hope the doctors dont.

January 22, 2005

I'm not going to debate why I don't drink. Just leave it that I don't. Have you ignored everything that I've said?

SHE is the one that has changed the boundaries of this friendship--NOT ME. I actually have been looking for a church. But I'm in the Deep South bible belt, so everything is even more conservative than the mid-west, where I'm from. And I go to art school--so I'm way more conservative than other students here.

"I think what people say when they are drunk is 100% more truthful then what they say when they are sober" This is EXACTLY what I am talking about. Sometimes it's better if you don't say what you honestly think, so you don't get yourself in trouble.

January 22, 2005

Well your only other option is to wait it out. The fun of alcohol starts to wane after a few years. Once

people go from university into the real world, going to work with a hangover isnt so fun.

But in school, its your best chance to socialise. And alcohol is the best conveyer of socialisation

ever. It removes shyness and allows you to talk to people you would never even have met otherwise.

And yes she has changed the boundries, but people change. Thats what we do. If you are unwilling

to change you will end up being left behind. Im sure you have your reasons for not drinking. But this

is the price you pay unfortunatly.

As for her abandoning you, you have left her no choice. Im sure she would love to have you along, but

she knows you dont drink and would not enjoy yourself. If you suddenly started drinking you would

probably party with her everynight.

January 22, 2005

As for her abandoning you, you have left her no choice.

Bull sh**, she has a choice. She could choose to stay and be friends with the person who she's shared her most vulnerable sides to, who's helped her through times of pain and been there in times of joy. She's chosen other people over me. And that's what it comes down to.

January 22, 2005

You are saying for her to stay friends with you she has to stop drinking? So she has to change her life

to suit yours and your beliefs?

I have stated why she dosnt hang around with you. You dont drink = no fun to drink with. Its not

because she dosnt like you or dosnt want to hang around with you. You are taking her drinking very

personally, and its not....at least to her. Its a new fun thing to do. Thats it. Nothing more.

If you want her as a friend still, you are gonna have to work at it. I'm not saying drink, but you are

gonna have to find some way to get back into her life again. Maybe even biting the bullet sometimes

and going out with her and her friends when they drink. If they ask you to drink, say you are allergic.

At least this will aviod them pestering you about not doing it.

January 22, 2005

Or at least sit down and talk to her about your feelings. I hear alcohol helps one say what the normally cant.

j/k

Seriously though. Its obviously bothering you alot. Sit down with her and work somethign out. Letting it

eat you up inside isnt gonna solve anything. And silly me or them ultimatums arnt gonna work.

But voicing how much it bothers you and how you feel you dont have a place in her life anymore would

probably get through to her. Unless you take the chance and say something, she will never know.

You said you 'think' she knows how much it bothers you. But thinking and knowing are two different things.

And if she values your friendship half as much as you value hers, she will probably at least fix some of

the gap that has worked its way inbetween the two of you.

January 22, 2005

And diplomatic wording is a better way of aproaching her on the problem. Dont say 'Your drinking bothers

me' Say something more to the effect of 'I feel like we have been drifting apart over the past *timeframe*)

Then if she brings up drinking, you can voice your worries about that.

January 22, 2005

I know, and seriously, I couldn't care less if she drank every now and then. It's the whole situation that bothers me. Thanks for finally acknowledging how I'm feeling though.

January 22, 2005

And yes she has changed the boundries, but people change. Thats what we do

sounds about right – she's spreading her wings so she can test them. And that may mean doing something that's not normally in her character, but it doesn't mean she thinks less of you, she just might not be sure how to balance life now with life before.

SF has a very good point: if your friendship is strong in and of itself, things will settle down and she'll be back in contact. Maybe not the same exact way, because our experiences change us even in the slightest bit, but the core friendship is still there.

maybe the question now is to ask yourself if you're going to be that kind friend who will trust her period of discovery and space apart no matter how much it kills you. That doesn't mean you can't call her up and invite her to coffee or lunch or something relaxed where you catch up with each other. That that sort of meeting ground could be a good one, in that neither of you feel awkward about the whole lifestyle-change-that-includes-drinking thing ...

bob, the whole growing up and physical distance thing is hard to cope with, especially if you feel you're missing out on someone who could be your siamese twin, you feel that bonded with them. But the hallmark of sincere friendship is knowing that sometimes you just have to let the other person go and be, but still leave that door open to reconnect.

January 23, 2005

Yeah, that's good advice. I will try to just trust her, but if it gets to the point where it's self-destructive for her, then I'll try to talk to her. Or if I keep feeling like it's coming between us.

It's so hard. Today I asked her if she wanted to go out and get a sandwich for lunch, and she was happy to say yes. I think part of what's been going on, is that I've been super busy with my senior final project, therefore I haven't had time to do much like go to a movie, or just hang out. Meanwhile she is most definitly at a time where she's testing her wings. She graduates in about month, and I think she's kinda freaked out about it. So she's been trying to get away and have fun, while I sit and work (seriously, I have to, it's crunch time for the next 7 weeks). It's possible she's trying to use alochol as a means to get her mind off things. I really hope that's not the case--only because it's such a sudden change for her. So anyway, I think she was trying to find other people who she could go out with. But it's not entirely my fault that I haven't spent time out with her--she's decided to go places for fun where I don't wanna go. I think we've covered this.

Today we had fun and acted like friends for the first time in a few weeks. When I asked her if she wanted to get a sandwich, her attitude perked up and stayed up all day. Friday she just seemed kinda "ho-hum" about everything. Woke up today, and she seemed the same. Until I asked.

Anyway, I'm seeing a little bigger picture. I wanna try to make time and offer other fun things to do. I hope that helps her feel less dependent on going out and drinking, but who knows. It's kinda early to tell what exactly everything means.

January 23, 2005

Lol, ya sorry to get so worked up. It was just frustrating for me, because the easiest solution would have

seemed to be just to go out an drink. But you have very strong reasons not to drink im guessing.

But she is a different person than you, with different experiences. So getting mad at her because

she is doing something she sees nothing wrong with wont help. Even if you feel so strongly about it.

Sometimes the things that are worth the most in life are the things that you must fight

for(even if it is not drinking or trying to find a comprimise with a friend.)

Just play it cool. It usually takes years of drinking for someone to become an alcoholic, so that wont

be a problem here yet. If you do see a problem with her drinking too much, step back a few paces

and cool down before you talk to her about it. Just jumping in and saying 'you have a drinking problem!!'

or 'you are an alcoholic' when niether may be the case will only insult her and put a very big dent

in your relationship. Lots of people bing drink, so maybe ask some friends advice on her before

you make a decision.

goodluck.

January 24, 2005

Originally posted by SuperFantastico
Just play it cool. It usually takes years of drinking for someone to become an alcoholic, so that wont
be a problem here yet.

Actually that's not true. It took a matter of months for me to become an alcoholic when I was younger. I literally had to drink every day.

Anyways, I remember OTHER people made such a big deal out of me not drinking, I never stood up and annonced "I'm not drinking alcohol!"

Usually someone would offer me a drink, I would say no, they would say "why not?", I would say, I'm not drinking tonight, and THEN it would become a big issue spread amongst the friends we were hanging out with.

Now, I started drinking again recently. Not cool, I need to stop. It sucks too because when you can't enjoy in moderation you DO have to make it a point to say no, and it is embarassing, and it's not like you condemn other people. I get jealous. I want to be able to drink occassionally, too....

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