Els Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 This thread? On the first page alone: There is a huge difference between them. With reading, your imagination gets stimulated more, while with video games your imagination gets a somewhat backseat. Furthermore, there is such a thing as video-game addiction. I have rarely heard of reading addiction. It's because video games are considered to be the past time of children not adults. It is a waste of time. Maybe if you get on, play for an hour or less every now and again, it'd be OK. But it almost never is just that for too many guys.I have seen many guys that it seems to be their life. Literally. It's a hobby? I prefer hobbies that returns something to me. Really though, you can do what you want. I really don't care. I know guys that play video games, after a certain point....they just become a total waste for being sociable, never mind competition for the women I want. So it works out great for me.
TheBigQuestion Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 Well, I'm saying that you're wrong. Ask ANY gamer and he will tell you that he gets flak from some guys as well. Your modus operandi is very clear here. This paragraph is the EXACT equivalent of all of the anti-men-who-play-video-games rants I have ever seen. If you're going to go on a rant about unenlightened, prejudiced, and ignorant people who make narrow-minded and derogatory comments on a pasttime, you might want to avoid being such a person yourself. Correct! So you do realize how alike you are to the people who say the former. Charming. I never made the claim that men never get flak from other men for playing video games. I simply said that women are still far more likely to look down upon men for playing video games, and considering that this is a dating forum, that's the more relevant issue anyway, and is what the OP was intending to discuss. Maybe your experience is different. You have this curious tendency to challenge positions that no one has put forth. While I do in fact think that excessive shopping, obsession with gossip, and things of that nature are traits usually embodied by those with vapid and superficial personalities (this is true pretty much by definition), my only "modus operandi" in this thread has been to show that all these pasttimes are equally "useless."
Els Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 I never made the claim that men never get flak from other men for playing video games. I simply said that women are still far more likely to look down upon men for playing video games, and considering that this is a dating forum, that's the more relevant issue anyway, and is what the OP was intending to discuss. Maybe your experience is different. You have this curious tendency to challenge positions that no one has put forth. I challenge what is written. You have the curious tendency to backpaddle after doing so. While I do in fact think that excessive shopping, obsession with gossip, and things of that nature are traits usually embodied by those with vapid and superficial personalities (this is true pretty much by definition), my only "modus operandi" in this thread has been to show that all these pasttimes are equally "useless." By doing the exact same thing as those you accuse of being ignorant and narrow-minded. Gotcha. The thing that irks me the most about threads like these is that the OP throws out a blanket generalization and most women actually make pretty reasonable posts on it about how they don't mind gaming as long as it's not excessive, or it's just not for them but everyone is entitled to their own hobbies, etc. But it doesn't matter at all. It's like this particular group of man-children is so completely intent on having a huge rant-fest about women that nothing any individual woman says to the contrary makes any difference. Video gaming is just the scapegoat - the raison d'etre is to find something to hate on women for. If you guys genuinely care about the portrayal of gamers to non-gamers in society and issues surrounding it, how about you try just a little bit to talk about the real issues instead of constantly trying to spark a gender war where there doesn't need to be.
TheBigQuestion Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 I challenge what is written. You have the curious tendency to backpaddle after doing so. By doing the exact same thing as those you accuse of being ignorant and narrow-minded. Gotcha. The thing that irks me the most about threads like these is that the OP throws out a blanket generalization and most women actually make pretty reasonable posts on it about how they don't mind gaming as long as it's not excessive, or it's just not for them but everyone is entitled to their own hobbies, etc. But it doesn't matter at all. It's like this particular group of man-children is so completely intent on having a huge rant-fest about women that nothing any individual woman says to the contrary makes any difference. Video gaming is just the scapegoat - the raison d'etre is to find something to hate on women for. If you guys genuinely care about the portrayal of gamers to non-gamers in society and issues surrounding it, how about you try just a little bit to talk about the real issues instead of constantly trying to spark a gender war where there doesn't need to be. Alright then. Show me where I said that it's only women who poke fun at men. Then show me where I backpedaled. Again, I haven't read through every post in this thread, and the discussion here is not intended to be limited to the opinions of those in the LoveShack universe. It's all good and fine that women have had a healthy mix of opinions on the subject. In the actual world, it is my experience that their opinion is a great bit more uniform. Naturally, I don't propose to speak for the OP or for anyone else. My presence in this thread is primarily for the purpose of commenting upon what I've seen is the disparity in reactions over pasttimes between people in relationships. Regardless of whether or not you believe this, most men are actually pretty irritated by womens' excessive consumption of certain items and media. Conversely (and more or less equivalently), women generally don't seem to "get" what it is that men see in video games. However, women are more likely to express this irritation in the form of belittling the masculinity, virility, earning power, etc., of those men. These are all things that I mentioned in my first post in this thread. That's the only point I'm trying to make, and it certainly is germane to the topic of the thread. If merely pointing out this disparity somehow constitutes a "gender war," so be it. It makes for a more interesting discussion than the 10 millionth thread where a woman posts asking if a guy is ever going to call her back.
ltjg45 Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 This thread? On the first page alone: And compared to the number of females in this thread alone?
Lonely Ronin Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 Anybody who holds the views on videogames that I've seen in this thread is beyond ignorant and is going into "moron" category You don't have to like or enjoy videogames but at least respect the people who make them it and respect the people who play them, that's all it comes down ot. Nahh man you miss the point. It doesn't matter if it's video games, clothes, reading, or cars. Some people will automatically dismiss you based on things you do/say. What i see in this thread is a crap ton of guys getting all riled up, because something important to them is looked down upon by some people. It's no different then short guys getting all pissed because some women don't find them attractive. You have a simple choice, either only associate with the people/women that hold similar views, or learn to deal with the judgments that are layed upon you. 2
Els Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 And compared to the number of females in this thread alone? Why don't you go look? I already quoted some for you. Don't forget Imposter's one about how women don't like you when you wakey wakey. Alright then. Show me where I said that it's only women who poke fun at men. Then show me where I backpedaled. The entirety of your first post was about women vs men. Again, I haven't read through every post in this thread, and the discussion here is not intended to be limited to the opinions of those in the LoveShack universe. It's all good and fine that women have had a healthy mix of opinions on the subject. In the actual world, it is my experience that their opinion is a great bit more uniform. Naturally, I don't propose to speak for the OP or for anyone else. My presence in this thread is primarily for the purpose of commenting upon what I've seen is the disparity in reactions over pasttimes between people in relationships. Regardless of whether or not you believe this, most men are actually pretty irritated by womens' excessive consumption of certain items and media. Conversely (and more or less equivalently), women generally don't seem to "get" what it is that men see in video games. However, women are more likely to express this irritation in the form of belittling the masculinity, virility, earning power, etc., of those men. Firstly, you are comparing apples to oranges. Comparing excessive consumption to moderate consumption is never a great idea. Most men view moderate shopping and grooming on the woman's part as endearing and at most worthy of a little teasing. Most women view moderate gaming on the man's part as his 'guy time'. If women are irritated about excessive consumption, then them belittling the masculinity, etc of the men who do so is the exact equivalent of the men who belittle the women as vacuous, superficial, vapid, airheads. These are all things that I mentioned in my first post in this thread. That's the only point I'm trying to make, and it certainly is germane to the topic of the thread. If merely pointing out this disparity somehow constitutes a "gender war," so be it. It makes for a more interesting discussion than the 10 millionth thread where a woman posts asking if a guy is ever going to call her back. You must forgive my skepticism, as the vast majority of your contributions to LS have been in gender wars and taking the side of the men, albeit through well-phrased posts that sometimes contain good points. Some of the men participating in this thread don't even have that last bit going for them, though, hence why it has turned into total and complete woman-bashing over the past few pages. The OP and those others are clearly not looking for answers from women or in trying to understand anyone's perspective. The whole point of this entire thread was to paint women as the 'bad guy'. You weren't the sole culprit, you simply propagated it. FWIW, the last part of my previous post, as well as this, isn't directed entirely or even mostly at you, TBQ. It's more of a general think-aloud. I've always been proud to be part of the gamer community, but the more I read about the views of certain members of it towards the opposite sex and life in general, especially in LS, the more ashamed I feel to be part of it. I must have really lucked out in that the guys whom I play with don't seem to be anywhere close to the same. I do think that a few of the gamer-guys here are propagating the very stereotypes that they are fighting against, though - that of gamers as immature, women-hating, socially inept dudes who love to play the victim.
serial muse Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 Don't mistake what I said...this isn't an issue with us...AT ALL! AT ALL!!! She doesn't get mad, we don't have fights....I just know how she feels because of snarks, comments, jokes, etc. And her and her friends will bust me and my other buddies who play. So I asked a simple question...Why are video games lame? But the Notebook by Nicholas Sparks is awesome...Jersey Housewives is awesome...A vampire and a werewolve are awesome...a purse cause it says GUCCI on it makes it worth 1000X more than a similar purse who accomplishes the SAME THING?!? Ya know what I say...it's what MAKES THEM (women I know) happy...so who am I to judge what brings them joe?!?! Seriously, it's VERY ignorant. Yeah, I don't buy for a second that this isn't an issue with you two. I was the poster who said that comment about how everyone agrees that FB is a time-waster (I didn't say it was bad, because frankly I don't think time-wasters of any stripe are inherently bad. All value judgments have come from elsewhere in this thread.) But I notice that that is the ONLY thing from my post that you actually seem to have absorbed. I also said, much more to the point, that it doesn't matter a whit what any of us think, because the reason you are so defensive is because of your FIANCEE. Yes, it's an issue, and I don't blame you for it. Endless snarky comments are DISRESPECTFUL. Tell her to shove it, seriously. But do me a favor and get real - this is not about ALL girlfriends, wives, women disliking games. Lots do, lots don't. The vast majority of heated responses in this thread have been from MEN ... on both sides. So maybe your primary argument isn't really with women? Or rather, just focus on the one you're really mad at, instead of extrapolating to the rest of the gender? Hey! You know what, that would be awesome, if we could just do that, ALWAYS. Hah. 1
ltjg45 Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 Why don't you go look? I already quoted some for you. Don't forget Imposter's one about how women don't like you when you wakey wakey. Unfortunately, I'm not the one challenging this. You are. On either case, that's fine too. I rather drop it at this point. Besides, I'm too lazy to do it anyway.
serial muse Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 Unfortunately, I'm not the one challenging this. You are. On either case, that's fine too. I rather drop it at this point. Besides, I'm too lazy to do it anyway. Yeah, you seriously need to actually read the thread if you're going to comment on it. Elswyth is 100% correct. The bashing is primarily coming from other guys. Why not ground-truth your assumptions, for fun? 3
ltjg45 Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 Yeah, you seriously need to actually read the thread if you're going to comment on it. Elswyth is 100% correct. The bashing is primarily coming from other guys. Why not ground-truth your assumptions, for fun? I did read the thread. I'm just not going to re-read 11 pages of it just to prove a point though. Once again, too lazy for that so I will accept defeat and failure like a man supposed to be, even on the off-chance that I may be right.
TheBigQuestion Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 (edited) The entirety of your first post was about women vs men. If women are irritated about excessive consumption, then them belittling the masculinity, etc of the men who do so is the exact equivalent of the men who belittle the women as vacuous, superficial, vapid, airheads. You must forgive my skepticism, as the vast majority of your contributions to LS have been in gender wars and taking the side of the men, albeit through well-phrased posts that sometimes contain good points. Some of the men participating in this thread don't even have that last bit going for them, though, hence why it has turned into total and complete woman-bashing over the past few pages. The OP and those others are clearly not looking for answers from women or in trying to understand anyone's perspective. The whole point of this entire thread was to paint women as the 'bad guy'. You weren't the sole culprit, you simply propagated it. FWIW, the last part of my previous post, as well as this, isn't directed entirely or even mostly at you, TBQ. It's more of a general think-aloud. I've always been proud to be part of the gamer community, but the more I read about the views of certain members of it towards the opposite sex and life in general, especially in LS, the more ashamed I feel to be part of it. I must have really lucked out in that the guys whom I play with don't seem to be anywhere close to the same. I do think that a few of the gamer-guys here are propagating the very stereotypes that they are fighting against, though - that of gamers as immature, women-hating, socially inept dudes who love to play the victim. Nowhere in my initial post or in any subsequent post did I say that guys ONLY got flak from women for playing video games. If you interpreted my failure to explicitly qualify my statements with the admission that men do the same to other men as me holding the belief that they never do, you were mistaken. A better approach would be to ask me if that's what I meant, rather than putting words in my mouth. Yes, it may be the equivalent, but there is far more of a stigma against men who play video games than women who shop, read trashy magazines, and so forth. Society actually tends to celebrate the latter, while the former is still in many ways considered the realm of virgin nerds. Men will bite their tongue; women are more likely to go below the belt with it. Well you have to forgive me if I don't get much out of the hundred or so threads that pop up each week where a person asks for mundane dating advice. I like threads where actual discourse takes place. Around here, the politics subforum notwithstanding, it's really only these threads that are interesting. Guess what? Sometimes women ARE "the bad guy." Sometimes gender is a major factor in whether someone is more likely or more predisposed to do something bad, or to do the bad thing in question to a greater degree than the other gender. Not everyone who points this out is Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons in the flesh. Making these observations does not make men misogynists, serial killers in training (yes, that has been said here), or anything like that. Men seem to have an easier time owning up to the faults their gender may predispose them to having. Finding a woman who will actually admit that women might be more cruel, less fair, more judgmental, or whatever, in certain circumstances, who won't try to pepper her responses with "HEY I'M NOT LIKE THAT SO UR GENERALIZATION IS WRONG OMG HOW OFFENSIVE" is exceptionally rare, especially on LS. My limited understanding of gender issues arising in the gaming community informs me that few men, if any, object to the presence of women in gaming. What they object to is the fact that women demand a change in the norms and mores of the gaming culture in order to accommodate their more easily offended feelings. Frankly, considering the fact that the gaming community was at one point one of the last real "boys clubs" out there, I wouldn't really begrudge men for resenting being told they have to change the way they behave or censor themselves. Edited February 13, 2013 by TheBigQuestion
serial muse Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 I did read the thread. I'm just not going to re-read 11 pages of it just to prove a point though. Once again, too lazy for that so I will accept defeat and failure like a man supposed to be, even on the off-chance that I may be right. Nice weaseling. 2
Estate Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 Anybody who holds the views on videogames that I've seen in this thread is beyond ignorant and is going into "moron" category You don't have to like or enjoy videogames but at least respect the people who make them it and respect the people who play them, that's all it comes down ot. What do you want respect for? My job is building software (I don't really do games but that's my choice of profession)... nobody bows down and "respects" me for it... should they? 1
Radu Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 video games hypnotize you often. they are made to do so and to make you addict so they can cell 2. when a lot of men that have that issue with their gf play they often stay on it for hours. often they dont even know what time it is. and dont even know that some one is talking to them. reading a normal book, you are just there if someone talks to you. TV does the same thing. So does reading. They all allow you to enter an altered state of mind. 1
Els Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 Nowhere in my initial post or in any subsequent post did I say that guys ONLY got flak from women for playing video games. If you interpreted my failure to explicitly qualify my statements with the admission that men do the same to other men as me holding the belief that they never do, you were mistaken. A better approach would be to ask me if that's what I meant, rather than putting words in my mouth. So if a poster said, "Men are such hypocrites, they expect women to have few sexual partners but feel free to sleep around themselves", you wouldn't bother to correct her? Yes, it may be the equivalent, but there is far more of a stigma against men who play video games than women who shop, read trashy magazines, and so forth. Society actually tends to celebrate the latter, while the former is still in many ways considered the realm of virgin nerds. Men will bite their tongue; women are more likely to go below the belt with it. Not true. The airhead bimbo stereotype is alive and well. Surely you've heard the blonde jokes. On the other hand being known as a geek is something that even some women are beginning to desire. Well you have to forgive me if I don't get much out of the hundred or so threads that pop up each week where a person asks for mundane dating advice. I like threads where actual discourse takes place. Around here, the politics subforum notwithstanding, it's really only these threads that are interesting. Hey, I did not say it was wrong of you to do so. Simply that your choice to do so gives me the impression that you are here to argue, more so than help. Most of us try to do both. Guess what? Sometimes women ARE "the bad guy." Sometimes gender is a major factor in whether someone is more likely or more predisposed to do something bad, or to do the bad thing in question to a greater degree than the other gender. Do you see any purpose in some of the threads that make blanket claims to make men out to be the bad guy? No, you clearly don't, especially based on your responses to them. Well, I'm making an equivalent response about this one. Not everyone who points this out is Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons in the flesh. Making these observations does not make men misogynists, serial killers in training (yes, that has been said here), or anything like that. It does make that particular man a misogynist if it's a constant habit of his to ONLY point out how women are the 'bad guy' without ever acknowledging any fault of his own gender or making any neutral statements. Serial killer is just ridiculous, obviously. Men seem to have an easier time owning up to the faults their gender may predispose them to having. This entire thread has proved this statement to be incredibly wrong. Finding a woman who will actually admit that women might be more cruel, less fair, more judgmental, or whatever, in certain circumstances, who won't try to pepper her responses with "HEY I'M NOT LIKE THAT SO UR GENERALIZATION IS WRONG OMG HOW OFFENSIVE" is exceptionally rare, especially on LS. When was the last time you admitted this about your own gender? I have personally admitted that a double standard exists against men, in Lonely Ronin's last thread about men being expected to sleep with any woman asap. There are others who have as well. I have defended men in threads about porn and how men only want to bang 18-year-olds, in threads about how all men would cheat if given the opportunity, etc. You, on the other hand... I'm not really saying your generalization is offensive, though, just that it's pointless and irrelevant to societal issues that affect geeks in general. It reeks of the same bias that applies to most of your other posts. Also wrong, but we could argue til the cows come home about that. My limited understanding of gender issues arising in the gaming community informs me that few men, if any, object to the presence of women in gaming. No, some men consider other men who are 'geeks' to be beneath their great selves, and treat them as such. That is the way in which men give other men flak for playing games. What they object to is the fact that women demand a change in the norms and mores of the gaming culture in order to accommodate their more easily offended feelings. I don't understand how you can arrive at such assumptions when by your own admission you have never been a part of the gaming culture. Most men who game moderately are perfectly able to find women who are happy to give them personal time for their hobbies. Those who aren't able to have other issues besides gaming, trust me. I used to play with a group of 24 other guys and ~20 of them have long-term gfs or wives who are happy to let them do their stuff. And women who aren't interested in gamers are perfectly entitled to date men who don't game, just as men who want women with big breasts or long hair are perfectly entitled to hold out for such a woman. Nobody's demanding any 'change in norms and mores'. Frankly, considering the fact that the gaming community was at one point one of the last real "boys clubs" out there, I wouldn't really begrudge men for resenting being told they have to change the way they behave or censor themselves. Neither would I. If indeed there were anyone telling them such. 1
Author chucksagent Posted February 13, 2013 Author Posted February 13, 2013 I am very sorry....I screwed up...My post limited this to ONLY women...And perhaps I did that because I don't have to listen to snarky comments about video gaming from men AS OFTEN, but admittedly, that definitely happens too. So enough bickering, let's reestablish the discussion and FOCUS together...let's put away our swords everyone.... Why....IN GENERAL...to men and women alike (regardless of what % is men and what % is women)....Is there a stigma that ANY AMOUNT of video gaming is immature, stupid or childish? WE ALL know these stereotypes exist toward gamers...So my question is...WHY? Texting on your phone constantly, FACEBOOKING constantly, watching reality TV, going out to bars spending money you don't have, is all giggled about and considered "A guilty pleasure and cool" Almost like a casualty of being awesome - when ALL of those activities are the same or WORSE than gaming. So, real simple, why? Let's stop attacking eachother...I admit I was wrong to both a.) single out women and b.) get super defensive. That's my bad and I apologize - let's put that to rest right here and right now....so folks... WHY the negative stigma to video games from THE WORLD in general and not toward other stuff that is practically IDENTICAL (tv, books, radio, facebook, cell phones, ipads, etc.) 2
sweetjasmine Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 TV does the same thing. So does reading. They all allow you to enter an altered state of mind. I don't have a problem with games, but again, these aren't good comparisons. Watching TV/movies and reading are both passive. Video games are interactive and activate reward centers of the brain. They. Are. Not. Comparable. No one ever died from reading a book for 48 hours straight without sleeping or eating, but it sure as sh-t happened with Starcraft. 1
Bristolius Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 I'm not going to play my system around a female that I'm interested in. That's common sense. I doubt I have gotten that dumb yet. But if I'm walking solo or I'm alone somewhere? No way I'm not pulling it out and playing with it. If they honestly thing I'm socially inept because of it, then it works nicely to my advantage because I don't want to speak to them anyway. Hey! This thread is about video games.
Els Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 (edited) I am very sorry....I screwed up...My post limited this to ONLY women...And perhaps I did that because I don't have to listen to snarky comments about video gaming from men AS OFTEN, but admittedly, that definitely happens too. Fair enough. I'm really glad that you made this post. Sword sheathed. Why....IN GENERAL...to men and women alike (regardless of what % is men and what % is women)....Is there a stigma that ANY AMOUNT of video gaming is immature, stupid or childish? My theory is that those who stigmatize ALL gamers (as opposed to stigmatizing only those who play excessively) do so out of narrow-mindedness and the inability to accept a changing world. Video games are a fairly recent invention. Most new inventions are most eagerly lapped up by the younger generation, for whatever reason, so when they first started, yes, video games were mostly played by children. Times change, though, those children grow up, and just as the previous generation didn't stop watching TV when they reached a certain age, so also is video gaming increasingly enjoyed by adults. I think you are wrong about one more thing though. There absolutely is a stigma against facebook and cell phone usage, because those are also newer inventions, just perhaps less so than against gaming. This is probably because people don't get as easily addicted to those as video games, so there are fewer bad apples who do it for 2 straight days, keel over and die, and further tarnish the reputation of the activity. Or people who play 40 hours a day while ignoring their wife/husband, or stay in their basement all day doing nothing but playing... you get the idea. It's reaaaallly hard to do that much texting. People tend to accept 'the norm' or 'the right way of things' as the state of the world as they knew it when they grew up and learnt about the world. Most changes - the lightbulb, the knowledge that the universe didn't revolve around Earth, women being able to vote, the airplane - were met with a lot of resistance by some members of the public. Because people are generally resistant to change. It'll pass with time, IMO. Just give it a couple more decades. Most of us are fine with setting foot on that new-fangled dangerous airplane thingy now. As for some people simply not wanting to date gamers, well, it's a preference like any other, I guess. There are lots of things that we all think is okay in general, even for friends, but not for a partner. Edited February 13, 2013 by Elswyth
TheBigQuestion Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 No, some men consider other men who are 'geeks' to be beneath their great selves, and treat them as such. That is the way in which men give other men flak for playing games. I don't understand how you can arrive at such assumptions when by your own admission you have never been a part of the gaming culture. Most men who game moderately are perfectly able to find women who are happy to give them personal time for their hobbies. Those who aren't able to have other issues besides gaming, trust me. I used to play with a group of 24 other guys and ~20 of them have long-term gfs or wives who are happy to let them do their stuff. And women who aren't interested in gamers are perfectly entitled to date men who don't game, just as men who want women with big breasts or long hair are perfectly entitled to hold out for such a woman. Nobody's demanding any 'change in norms and mores'. Neither would I. If indeed there were anyone telling them such. You misunderstood. I wasn't talking about men in the gaming community being able to find dates, girlfriends, wives, etc. I was talking about how welcoming male gamers are of female gamers. I'll address the rest of your post soon.
Lonely Ronin Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 WHY the negative stigma to video games from THE WORLD in general and not toward other stuff From what I have seen, it's the quote "gamers" that are causing the stigma. Not everyone that plays video games is a gamer, atleast not to my age/social/cultural demographic. I'm a software developer, and I would say 80% of my department is gamers. They are all young guys say 22-27. From what I have heard they seem to play 4 to 12 hours a day depending, what day of the week it is, and if a new game has come out. I've heard some of them shame new guys to the department who claim to be gammers , but aren't as "hardcore" as they are. I've seen guys miss work, because they stayed up to late playing. I've seen guys get all, pissy, because the "hot" girl over in accounting doesn't want anything to do with them, the engagement ring on her finger seems to get ignored. In short the stigma exists because just like with every other group, the bad apples screw over the normal people who associate with that group. 3
ltjg45 Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 Nice weaseling. If you want to call it that, be my guest.
ltjg45 Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 Hey! This thread is about video games. And guess what? My 3DS happens to be a portable video game system, which is exactly what that post is referring to.
Keenly Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 I'll be playing some dead space 3 after my date tonight. Or is that immature and childish that I would dare enjoy such blasphemy.
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