ltjg45 Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 This isn't ABOUT designer clothing, it's about the fact that you need to shop to pull that off. It takes even more time to find a nice dress if you cannot afford designer, because you generally get what you pay for and you will have to work within your budget.So yes, you do seem to need women to spend some time and money shopping to keep you attracted. On the other hand, most non-gamer women don't need you to play games to keep them attracted. So stop lumping them in the same category. Yes, they do need to spend some time and money. That doesn't mean she needs to spend $300-400 to keep my attention. I want you to be attractive, not try to look like some fashion model. As for the games issue, I play them while being solo. It is obvious to me (and to any males who still has a working brain) that you do not get play them for long periods of time while the female is nearby you.
TheBigQuestion Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 As usual, your points are valid, but you're making up much more of a gender-divide than there actually is. A quick browse through this thread alone will be sufficient to convince you that the 'unenlightened views' on video games and fun-poking isn't done solely by women. Not even PRIMARILY by women. And a lot of the defending is done by female gamers. These threads don't follow any sort of male vs female lines at all, more of gamers vs non-gamers. Unless the man in question genuinely doesn't care about how his woman dresses and accessorizes, you cannot compare shopping to video gaming. Video gaming contributes zero to a relationship; shopping is necessary if you want to see her in a nice dress that fits her well and shows off her body to its best advantage. That takes a lot of time to find, and generally costs good money. If you don't care about that, then yes, shopping does go in the same basket as reality TV and video games. If you do, it's the equivalent of shopping for men. The only difference is that male shopping takes a much shorter time because there is much less variety and factors involved in male fashion, and men generally don't need to dress to suit their body type as much as women do. I didn't read through the entire thread. I was referring to what I tend to hear in real life and observe via other media. Since this is a message board, it doesn't surprise me at all that more tech-savvy women would post here. I'm sure I don't have to tell you that posting on message boards, regardless of what they're about, is not how most women spend their leisure time. I also noticed how you conveniently focused in on one way in which women will spend time and money in questionable ways when plenty of others were already mentioned. With that said, why can't I compare the amount of time and money women tend to spend on shopping for clothes and other items of limited utility to playing video games? Who decreed that and why? Both are activities that are of limited utility. Most women have more in their closet than they ever actually use. This is about as clear-cut an example of vanity and gluttony as one can imagine. Trying to twist the fact that shopping to the extent that women do is both a timesink and a moneysink into somehow being attributable to her wanting to please a man in a relationship is blatantly self-serving. There are myriad reasons for why women shop as much as they do, and much of it has to do with a predisposition to make impulse purchases or because of envy. It's often used to fill a void. The phrase "retail therapy" exists for a reason. Women shop for useless items (very often without being able to afford it), read gossip and fashion magazines, watch reality TV, converse endlessly about pop culture regardless of their education and station in life (surprisingly), and generally just engage in all sorts of vacuous pastimes to a dizzying degree. If someone says "video games are juvenile in nature and people who play them a lot are emotionally stunted manchildren," an equally valid statement to make is "I think spending thousands upon thousands of dollars over your lifetime on your appearance makes you vapid." I'm not elevating video games above these activities, I'm simply saying that anyone who tries to value these superficial activities above video games is incorrect in doing so. The conclusion that these occupy the same plane of utility in life is irrefutable.
ltjg45 Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 Yeaaaah... this definitely explains that. How about you stop talking like you're the Omniscient One about women and their habits when the only woman whose habits you actually know of is your mother? I never did. You came to that conclusion. I get along with females of all kinds just fine. I just never bothered putting much effort into talking to them directly concerning possible relationships. You lump me in with the rest of the males that blame them for shopping too much being that they are the only females they are initially attracted to, making them hypocrites. I'm merely defending myself.
strawberryshortstack Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 There is a huge difference between them. With reading, your imagination gets stimulated more, while with video games your imagination gets a somewhat backseat. Furthermore, there is such a thing as video-game addiction. I have rarely heard of reading addiction. Also, if I need to ask him something important, a book can be put down. A video came (if playing cooperatively online) cannot always be paused. I'm female, and I play video games myself. But when I spend the time, money and effort that it takes to get to my boyfriend's house, I don't want to watch him play video games, I want to interact with him. Even if we're both just sitting in bed reading together - this is better, because we can turn to each other and kiss, or hold hands for a moment. Occasionally, he will play while I'm there for the weekend, but it's usually just for an hour or so, while I prepare dinner, then we watch a movie together. Or he waits until I fall asleep and plays with headphones so as not to wake me up. Eventually, we'll play together, but only as long as it doesn't replace our cuddle/physical interaction time.
2sure Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 I'm not going to play my system around a female that I'm interested in. That's common sense. I doubt I have gotten that dumb yet. But if I'm walking solo or I'm alone somewhere? No way I'm not pulling it out and playing with it. If they honestly thing I'm socially inept because of it, then it works nicely to my advantage because I don't want to speak to them anyway. I get it, and you do have a valid point. I'm laughing at myself because I'm thinking how much better my new purse is. It gives me super powers, like better service and makes me taller and more important. I know, it's way more ridiculous than your gaming. Agreed. Carry on.
Author chucksagent Posted February 13, 2013 Author Posted February 13, 2013 Again, I have no dog in this fight, but I still am perplexed by how many women seem to hold on to their unenlightened views on video games and poke fun at men for playing them. Men seem to have a much, much greater tolerance for your average woman's need to spend exorbitant amounts of time and discretionary income shopping for clothes and accessories they will only wear a handful of times, gossiping over the personal lives of celebrities and other people who largely contribute nothing to society, and so forth. THANK YOU!!!! hahaha see YOU totally understand what my point was. Women have their FAIR SHARE of silly/stupid habits/hobbies and they get a TON more passes then guys who play video games get. I have MANY women in my life who do stuff I think is dumb, but out of common human decency, I support their hobbies and don't make fun of them. My fiance subscribes to gossip mags and I don't make digs at her when the bill comes. When her and her sister gossip about celebrities and peole they mutually know, I don't make snyde remarks. When she buys wasteful stuff cause she wants it, I don't make jokes or insults. And like thebigcompany said, I know a TON more guys who have the same situation with their woman, where WE support them and they KNOCK us. Don't mistake what I said...this isn't an issue with us...AT ALL! AT ALL!!! She doesn't get mad, we don't have fights....I just know how she feels because of snarks, comments, jokes, etc. And her and her friends will bust me and my other buddies who play. So I asked a simple question...Why are video games lame? But the Notebook by Nicholas Sparks is awesome...Jersey Housewives is awesome...A vampire and a werewolve are awesome...a purse cause it says GUCCI on it makes it worth 1000X more than a similar purse who accomplishes the SAME THING?!? Ya know what I say...it's what MAKES THEM (women I know) happy...so who am I to judge what brings them joe?!?! Seriously, it's VERY ignorant.
TheBigQuestion Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 Also, I find it amusing that some guys here are assuming that 'women all love to shop til they drop and love Twilight and hate video games'. All that says to me is: 'Those are the girls I notice and/or want to be with.' How ironic, then, that the very acts that you claim to detest actually still produce the desired results - getting attention from men. My girl friends and I love nerdy stuff, including gaming, and we generally dress down or simple because we don't have the money or inclination to shop that much. Some of them are still single. Sad, eh? No one here made that assumption as far as I can tell. I'm well aware that female gamers are a growing demographic. With that said, the average woman out there randomly selected still has a much greater chance of being the "shop till you drop, loves reading Cosmo and 50 Shades of Gray" type than the gamer type. Stop mischaracterizing generalizations as if they are statements of universal application. Those types of statements have nothing to do with what the men making them are attracted to. They are reasonable conclusions one can make from observing the world. I'm not sure why you automatically jump to that conclusion. I don't actually have any major issue with anyone who chooses to engage in those activities. What I do take issue with is this idea that they are somehow more useful than playing video games. 2
Author chucksagent Posted February 13, 2013 Author Posted February 13, 2013 I get it, and you do have a valid point. I'm laughing at myself because I'm thinking how much better my new purse is. It gives me super powers, like better service and makes me taller and more important. I know, it's way more ridiculous than your gaming. Agreed. Carry on. 2sure - haha exactly! That's my point...We ALL have our own interests! If a nice purse makes you feel better and gives you confidence WHO CARES what anyone thinks...AND, why should they judge you? It brings you joy. We are all only given 50-100 years on this planet that has been around for 4.5 BILLION years...lol...we are specks of sand on a large beach. Such small stuff matters nothing, so all that matters, is how you enjoy your time on Earth. Why not support someone in their interests? I don't mean gamers who play 10 hours a day - doing ANYTHING 10 hours a day is wrong (YES INCLUDING WORKING) 1
ltjg45 Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 I get it, and you do have a valid point. I'm laughing at myself because I'm thinking how much better my new purse is. It gives me super powers, like better service and makes me taller and more important. I know, it's way more ridiculous than your gaming. Agreed. Carry on. I'm not against you for what you buy. I just want this stupid notion that gaming is "socially awkward" while texting is "socially accepted", for example. Also, if they want to go down the path of how much each costs to promote their own, only severely hardcore gamers can rack up a bill big enough to match some of the other "socially accepted" things other people do. World of Warcraft is one of the cheapest hobbies you can ever find. The only problem is when someone gets so addicted, he lets everything else go. That depends from person to person. I started playing World of Warcraft a few months after Vanilla was just released. I got all 4 expansions, including Mists of Pandaria. I'm nowhere near addicted to the game. In fact, I just shut down my monthly subscription this month. I'm sure I'm nothing like the "gamer addicts" that I'm being lumped into. I play games. I just don't let games control me. Give me a female that demands me to preform IRL and I will calmly put down my system to enjoy her attention. No, ladies, I'm not going to drop and break my 3DS XL. That's $200 I prefer not spending again, thank you very much. 2
Author chucksagent Posted February 13, 2013 Author Posted February 13, 2013 I just want this stupid notion that gaming is "socially awkward" while texting is "socially accepted", for example. Yeah man, this is pretty much was annoys me too...and I don't care what ANYBODY says, 80% of the people I know are CONSTANTLY on their phones....and I'm sorry, but THAT is rude. What a gamer does in their alone time, isn't being rude to anyone. Thats the country you live in today though and someone even posted it on this board lol - Going to da club, drinking at the bar, texting your besties girlies on Sunday Funday on the Facebook, drinking and driving, sleeping all over with god knows who what god knows what IS YOLO MAN!!! DO IT! But don't play video games or you are a loser. Lol. Makes a ton of sense.
MyPoutine Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 I used to game with my ex (still game without him), if you want a girl who does't mind gaming date a gamer girl. 1
ltjg45 Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 I used to game with my ex (still game without him), if you want a girl who does't mind gaming date a gamer girl. Only problem with that is that gamer girls is far more nerdy than I ever will be. Not to mention, even with my low beauty standards, they can't even meet that. Not to mention I don't want an excuse to expand on my gaming anyway. I'm content with just my 3DS and I'm content to play with it whenever I got time to waste. I don't need it any more than that.
proactivedreamer Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 I use to hate when boyfriends played video games, but now I decided to instead try enjoying playing with boyfriend. I started playing with my boyfriend, and it's fun! It also makes him happy which is what I love to see. I'm now addicted to playing CALL OF DUTY-zombies usually. 1
Necris Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 For me gaming brings people together, at least for me as my friends are all gamers, and again its a fun usually inexpensive activity. Also like I said before I've had more fun playing videogames than with any woman. 2
Keenly Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 to Els There has never been a single instance in my life in which I have judged a woman's attractiveness based on what she was wearing. Not a single time. Clothes are not even a factor to me.
Lonely Ronin Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 Also like I said before I've had more fun playing videogames than with any woman. Man, that sounds super freaking depressing. The most awesome moments in my life have been with women or caused by them.
Lonely Ronin Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 95% of men just want a cute girl in great shape who looks good in anything. Most women would think a guy in average shape but wearing a fancy armani suit looks better than a guy in amazing shape but wearing just a t shirt and jeans...the same thing does NOT apply to men. The woman in great shape wearing just track pants looks 50,000 times better than the one wearing fancy dress I think you mean to say in your social demographic.... most of the men that are in my age group and social demographic are the exact opposite of what you and your friends want. One of my favorite looks is skinny jeans boots and a nice blouse on a woman.
Eddie Edirol Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 (edited) Yeah man, this is pretty much was annoys me too...and I don't care what ANYBODY says, 80% of the people I know are CONSTANTLY on their phones....and I'm sorry, but THAT is rude. What a gamer does in their alone time, isn't being rude to anyone. Thats the country you live in today though and someone even posted it on this board lol - Going to da club, drinking at the bar, texting your besties girlies on Sunday Funday on the Facebook, drinking and driving, sleeping all over with god knows who what god knows what IS YOLO MAN!!! DO IT! But don't play video games or you are a loser. Lol. Makes a ton of sense. Its only going to get worse bud. Video games already have the stigma to the ignorant that they are for kids. Politicians AND the media are pushing parents to believe that video games are breeding killers as well. I never got into video games, but I used to be a competition DJ. I took YEARS to develop skills that arent even useful in a dance club, cant make much money with it, I did it for fun. Never neglected girlfriendds for it though. So with girlfriends past, what I found out that anything that isnt perceived as "grown up" and insanely ambitious to some women and their friends (no matter how much dexterity and skill it takes to learn) is hated. "What would my friends think if they saw you playing WOW like a kid?" Think of it this way... as rich as this guy is, I can picture Travis Pastrana's wife bugging him if he wants to grab his BMX and hop on the half pipe for a while. "Youre 40 and make a good living now, cant you let the kid hobby go?" Meanwhile, thats what started his career. Doesnt matter that it makes him feel good and its fun to do. But skateboarding, video games, doesnt fall into the white picket fence, marriage and family deal. So it really is all about moderation and and understanding SO. Edited February 13, 2013 by Eddie Edirol 2
Necris Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 Man, that sounds super freaking depressing. The most awesome moments in my life have been with women or caused by them. Oh well, unlike you I haven't had too many great experiences with women, but I have had some pretty fun times playing video games with my friends. 1
Els Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 The woman in great shape wearing just track pants looks 50,000 times better than the one wearing fancy dress to Els There has never been a single instance in my life in which I have judged a woman's attractiveness based on what she was wearing. Not a single time. Clothes are not even a factor to me. If the two of you are genuinely fine with a girl going on a date in 'track pants', then it's certainly fair for you to consider shopping to be an 'unproductive girl thing'. I can assure you that not all men are the same as you, though. No one here made that assumption as far as I can tell. I'm well aware that female gamers are a growing demographic. With that said, the average woman out there randomly selected still has a much greater chance of being the "shop till you drop, loves reading Cosmo and 50 Shades of Gray" type than the gamer type. Stop mischaracterizing generalizations as if they are statements of universal application. Those types of statements have nothing to do with what the men making them are attracted to. They are reasonable conclusions one can make from observing the world. I'm not sure why you automatically jump to that conclusion. YOU are making the assumption that the people who make derogatory comments about gamers are female. Want to comment on that bit? I don't actually have any major issue with anyone who chooses to engage in those activities. What I do take issue with is this idea that they are somehow more useful than playing video games. Shopping is useful if what you wear matters in your work or relationship. Reading is useful if you are reading encyclopedias as opposed to 50 Shades of Grey. Video games are useful if you use them as a means to attain fame or money, or they are a shared pasttime with your friends or spouse.
Lonely Ronin Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 (outside of a few very ignorant folks out there) lol, I love how you think anyone that doesn't agree with your point of view, or way of life is ignorant.
Keenly Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 Come on els.... women don't go shopping for men. That may not be what you are saying but its certainly what you are implying. You do it for you... Plain and simple.
Els Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 I didn't read through the entire thread. I was referring to what I tend to hear in real life and observe via other media. Since this is a message board, it doesn't surprise me at all that more tech-savvy women would post here. I'm sure I don't have to tell you that posting on message boards, regardless of what they're about, is not how most women spend their leisure time. Well, I'm saying that you're wrong. Ask ANY gamer and he will tell you that he gets flak from some guys as well. I also noticed how you conveniently focused in on one way in which women will spend time and money in questionable ways when plenty of others were already mentioned. Maybe because the others I agree with? With that said, why can't I compare the amount of time and money women tend to spend on shopping for clothes and other items of limited utility to playing video games? Who decreed that and why? Anyone can compare anything with anything. Anyone else has the right to give their opinion that the comparisons are not appropriate in certain circumstances. Both are activities that are of limited utility. Most women have more in their closet than they ever actually use. This is about as clear-cut an example of vanity and gluttony as one can imagine. Trying to twist the fact that shopping to the extent that women do is both a timesink and a moneysink into somehow being attributable to her wanting to please a man in a relationship is blatantly self-serving. There are myriad reasons for why women shop as much as they do, and much of it has to do with a predisposition to make impulse purchases or because of envy. It's often used to fill a void. The phrase "retail therapy" exists for a reason. Women shop for useless items (very often without being able to afford it), read gossip and fashion magazines, watch reality TV, converse endlessly about pop culture regardless of their education and station in life (surprisingly), and generally just engage in all sorts of vacuous pastimes to a dizzying degree. Your modus operandi is very clear here. This paragraph is the EXACT equivalent of all of the anti-men-who-play-video-games rants I have ever seen. If you're going to go on a rant about unenlightened, prejudiced, and ignorant people who make narrow-minded and derogatory comments on a pasttime, you might want to avoid being such a person yourself. If someone says "video games are juvenile in nature and people who play them a lot are emotionally stunted manchildren," an equally valid statement to make is "I think spending thousands upon thousands of dollars over your lifetime on your appearance makes you vapid. Correct! So you do realize how alike you are to the people who say the former. Charming.
Els Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 Come on els.... women don't go shopping for men. That may not be what you are saying but its certainly what you are implying. You do it for you... Plain and simple. Nope, I am not implying that. Neither do most men bodybuild for women. However, it is not a secret that doing either increases the potential field of mates who will be attracted to you. Personally, I enjoy video games far more than I enjoy shopping. I do realize that I need to maintain a certain level of appearance, however, so I have to shop when I have to. It is not as easy to find good quality, cheap clothes for women that look good on your particular frame.
ltjg45 Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 Well, I'm saying that you're wrong. Ask ANY gamer and he will tell you that he gets flak from some guys as well. And I'm also very confident that the average gamer gets far more flak from females than they do males. This thread is proof enough on that subject alone. I already got one female hating me for the same thing (and no, that is not my mother). She even has the opinions of some of her friends backing her up with their opinion, which is the same. I have yet to see a male come to tell and say, "Dude, you need to stop playing video games. You can't get laid that way." Hell, most males that do approach me is more curious as to what game I was playing and how the system is working for me considering it is an upgrade from the previous model. In other words, they are in more support of gaming on average than females do by a long shot.
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