not AGAIN!!! I HATE NAKED WOMEN!!!

[moimeme]

PS: You want to know when your man has a problem with porn? If you come home and he has converted your living room into a mock strip club, complete with fog effects and cheesy DJ, and he's sitting in the middle of the floor naked, covered in KY, humping a giant Mardi Gras head of Jenna Jameson with a fake vagina propped into the mouthhole....then he may have a problem with porn.

 

So this is an insight into the fantasy life of GrinningManiac?

[sinner]

Ten minutes later, he came and found me hanging curtains. He started talking about something else, and I asked "Why did you open that Playboy? You knew I wouldn't just be able to let it go." He said, "I wanted to see if their boobs looked as good as yours" *note: I just got a boob job* I said, "I can accept that."

 

Then I shook my head, and said, "You're in trouble now, and the boobs weren't even that good! They were all under a B cup!" he seemed really sad, and said, "I know." I went back to hanging curtains, and then said, "Well, are you going to apologize!?" He sadly said he was sorry, and I told him that I forgive him.

 

This time, I wasn't even upset so much by the naked women, because they were all flat chested, boyish looking girls. Had they looked better than me I would've though This time, it was simply about the lies, and the constant disregard for me.

 

*sigh* I'm prepared to deal with this drama for the rest of my married life

 

 

 

 

 

This is marriage as a police state with one spouse (the wife) wielding an emotional tyranny over an oppressed class of one--her husband. This is a power struggle over which spouse has the greater will to dominate , to control, to bend the other to her will.The wife's tools of oppression: she uses politically correct 21st century Dr. Phil marital propaganda --absolute respect and complete transparency --to subjugate her oppressed husband to her will. Who can be opposed to respect and honesty in a marriage? It's like disliking puppy dogs and ice cream.

 

Respect and honesty, however, when invoked to enforce unreasonable demands in a marriage, to infantilize and dominate a spouse and to subjugate a spouse through a steady torrent of shame and blame are weapons, not virtues. Context is everything, and while these Hallmark Card virtues read well in posts-- in this particular marital police state, these values are weapons of control in a one sided battle of wills.

 

The husband's weapons: guerilla reading of skin mags and lying about it. This mini-cheating is how the husband asserts his will, his autonomy, his stab at liberation. On this marital battleground, porn is simply a subtext in what is really a will to power contest in a troubled "shame and blame" marriage. Sometimes it's not only just about sex.

 

The "shame and blame" pattern will continue: the husband will occasionally look at pictures of attractive, sexualized women, his wife will discover his mini-rebellion and she'll invoke respect and honesty to "shame and blame" her husband into submission. And so on, and so on.

 

The "drama" will continue until the husband wakes up one morning and asks himself: Why am I allowing my wife to treat me, an adult, the way a mother would treat her 10 year old son? The wife" "shame and blame" attacks on her husband demonstrate substantially more disrespect and humiliation than her husband's looking at a center fold.

 

These "shame and blame" patterns must be broken. Get thee both to marriage counseling. Failing that, put this marriage out of its misery.

 

Finally, porn does matter in some marriages as, for example, the porn-addled hubby who jerks off so much to porn that he lacks the interest or desire to become sexually intimate with his ignored wife. This marriage, however, is not about a PORN-FUELED prolonged lack of sexual intimacy. Rather, it's about control, domination and power in a battle of spousal wills. Two different things.

[Adunaphel]

The wife" "shame and blame" attacks on her husband demonstrate substantially more disrespect and humiliation than her husband's looking at a center fold.

 

I disagree.

If only because if he didn't look at the centerfold he wouldn't be subjected to 'shame and blame' attacks.

I don't think anybody but monday and her husband can judge.

 

I am also sick of hearing that women *should* understand and not get upset when their SO watches porn because 'boys will be boys', because it is not technically cheating, blah blah blah.

(sinner, this is not meant as a personal attack to your post, it's a general rant)

 

Women *could* understand, or they couldn't. It would be *nice* for us girls to understand, but it is not like we are bad relationship material if we don't.

 

Watching porn does not make a man bad relationship material, it just makes him bad relationship material to *some* women.

Exactly like women who expect people they have a relationship with not to watch porn are not bad girlfriends ...they would just make bad relationship material to some guys.

 

To each its own.

 

Like it is not right to demonize a man who enjoys porn while in a relationships, it is not right to demonize a woman who is upset with it and thinks that porn is a deal breaker.

 

 

Anyway, Monady, you have all my sympathy...... but your way of reacting will only make things worse.

Have you tried ignoring him? If he watches at playboy and makes himself get caught, perhaps he is just trying to provoke a reaction from you and piss you off.

If he is playing games, a 'who cares?-reaction from you is going to puzzle him.

[sinner]

In how many marriages in the United States is a spouse looking at a Playboy magazine a "deal breaker"? The emotionally loaded word "porn" is becoming synonymous with any, and I do mean any, sex-related conduct that a wife finds objectionable. Mislabeling a mere Playboy magazine as "porn" is not a license to berate, badger and bloviate.

 

At least in my circle of friends, a husband's perusal of Playboy is not grounds for this intensity of badgering. If Monday married her husband with the specific understanding and agreement that he was not to, during the marriage, look at any pictures of naked women, and then the guy broke that promise, then Monday has cause to "shame and blame." If, on the other hand, there was no prior agreement, then I don't believe that Monday has cause to treat her husband as a wayward child.

 

I'm not "demonizing" Monday. In fact, I've often championed "porn widows" who complain about porn's devastation of their sexual lives with their husbands. Monday's not a porn widow.

 

I consider Monday's punitive response disproportionate to the provocation. The man opened a Playboy for God's sake. A little perspective and proportionality, not to mention tolerance, are good things in any relationship--especially a marriage.

[moimeme]

Women *could* understand, or they couldn't. It would be *nice* for us girls to understand, but it is not like we are bad relationship material if we don't.

 

If the reason a woman is upset about porn is bogus, for instance, believing that it's 'cheating' or it 'making' her feel ugly, then she has a responsibility to alter her beliefs, just as she would if she believed her faithful husband was having an affair or that the neighbour's cat were spying on her. To stubbornly refuse to believe truth in favour of some invention of your own mind is the sign of an unreasonable human and would indeed be a signal of bad relationship material in a man or a woman.

[Adunaphel]

If the reason a woman is upset about porn is bogus, for instance, believing that it's 'cheating' or it 'making' her feel ugly, then she has a responsibility to alter her beliefs, just as she would if she believed her faithful husband was having an affair or that the neighbour's cat were spying on her. To stubbornly refuse to believe truth in favour of some invention of your own mind is the sign of an unreasonable human and would indeed be a signal of bad relationship material in a man or a woman.

 

Here you are absolutely right.

 

But what if she uses the reason "my husband watching it bothers me" -plain as that, without accusing her husband of making her feel ugly or comparing porn to cheating?

What if she said"it is not my husband fault if I feel insecure about it, but matter-of-factly I do. So I don't want to be in a relationship with a man who watches porn"?

What if she says "I find porn immoral for personal beliefs and I will not start a relationship with a man who watches it?"

What if she plainly thinks it is disrespecting your SO? I don't think she *should* change her mind. It would surely be better for her to change it-this way she'll have more interesting men to choose from (there are a lot of nice guys out there wholove porn and would not give it up). But I believe she has a right not to change it.

 

And...what do you think about compromises like "I have no problem if you watch porn while I'm not at home, but I will be offended if you watch it while I'm at home?"

or

"I have no problems with porn as long as you keep complimenting me about my looks and treat me like I was as pretty as those girls?"

or

"I have no big problems with porn movies, pics of sex scenes and close-up of female anatomy but I have problems with playboy and pics of naked girls, so it's okay for me if you watch the formers but not the latters?"

 

I have tried two of these compromises. -which I guess might sound absurd.

 

I'm just curious of your opinion on all these matters. I think it might be enlightening to me (another opinion of yours on the matter sort of opened my eyes on a similar subject some time ago )

[moimeme]

But what if she uses the reason "my husband watching it bothers me" -plain as that, without accusing her husband of making her feel ugly or comparing porn to cheating?

 

That's like Mommy telling you must do something 'because I say so' or your boss saying you should do something 'just because'. People should give defensible reasons for their requests, not issue them like orders or commands. Too bad it bugs her - if the reason it bugs her is unreasonable, then again, she needs to re-evaluate that. You owe it to anyone to explain why it is that you are upset with them.

 

What if she said"it is not my husband fault if I feel insecure about it, but matter-of-factly I do. So I don't want to be in a relationship with a man who watches porn"?

 

Then it's time to leave the relationship. You don't move into a neighbourhood beside a racetrack and then complain about the noise. If you don't want the porn, then either change yourself or go. You can ask the man if he'd be willing to negotiate some sort of compromise, or even - hey, what a thought! - ask him to suggest solutions, but to demand he stop it (and again, we are talking occasional use that does NOT impact the couple's sex life) is simply unfair.

 

What if she says "I find porn immoral for personal beliefs and I will not start a relationship with a man who watches it?"

 

Then she should have found out if he watches it before she married. I don't have a lot of respect for people who marry without asking the important questions.

 

What if she plainly thinks it is disrespecting your SO?

 

I hate the word 'disrespecting'. And again, a person needs reasons. 'Because I said so' doesn't wash with me - in ANY situation.

 

I don't think she *should* change her mind.

 

Why not? Just because someone thinks something automatically makes it right? What if she thinks all women are whores or that all men are idiots? There are plenty of changeworthy thoughts. People develop stupid impressions and wrong ideas all the time. Anyone who is not open to correction or change is a bad deal, in my books.

 

But I believe she has a right not to change it.

 

Why? What 'right' would that be, precisely? If you study the history of rights, you will see that they were never conceptualized to mean 'I get to do/think/say whatever I want without criticism'. In fact, I'm sure that St. Augustine and others are now rolling in their graves at how the concept of 'rights' is being abused.

 

And...what do you think about compromises like "I have no problem if you watch porn while I'm not at home, but I will be offended if you watch it while I'm at home?"

 

That is not a compromise. A compromise is negotiated so that both partners come out at least partly satisfied. That is just another order.

 

"I have no problems with porn as long as you keep complimenting me about my looks and treat me like I was as pretty as those girls?"

 

Again, an order. Where do women get the idea they can issue commands to men? If a man said to one of these women 'you may do X as long as I like the way you do it', the board would be ablaze with fury. However women lately seem to think they are entitled to order men about as though they were dogs instead of humans with brains and hearts. Makes me sick, frankly.

 

"I have no big problems with porn movies, pics of sex scenes and close-up of female anatomy but I have problems with playboy and pics of naked girls, so it's okay for me if you watch the formers but not the latters?"

 

Again, NOT a compromise.

 

I'm just curious of your opinion on all these matters. I think it might be enlightening to me (another opinion of yours on the matter sort of opened my eyes on a similar subject some time ago )

 

All right. You want an opinion, here it is - read up on conflict management. Learn about the healthy versus unhealthy ways of managing conflict. There are a zillion websites for managing conflict in relationships and for communicating in relationships.

 

Here's one for starters. At the bottom, it lists the steps for negotiating with your partner. Try that instead of issuing orders.

 

http://www.meaningfulliving.com/living/transforming_conflict.htm

[Fritz]

Great post moimeme.

 

 

Sinner said:

This is marriage as a police state with one spouse (the wife) wielding an emotional tyranny over an oppressed class of one--her husband. This is a power struggle over which spouse has the greater will to dominate , to control, to bend the other to her will.The wife's tools of oppression...

 

They ought to get into BDSM, whips/chains/cuffs etc.. They could vent their frustrations out on each other.

[Grinning Maniac]

Originally posted by moimeme

If a man said to one of these women 'you may do X as long as I like the way you do it', the board would be ablaze with fury. However women lately seem to think they are entitled to order men about as though they were dogs instead of humans with brains and hearts. Makes me sick, frankly.

 

*applauds*

 

PS: Moimeme, in answer to your previous question to me...only on weekends.

[jmargel]

They ought to get into BDSM, whips/chains/cuffs etc.. They could vent their frustrations out on each other

 

Never, ever do BDSM when you are angry. That's not what it is about.

 

Monday, re-read my post. Sounds like you didn't. I'm not about to repeat myself. Just that I feel sorry for your husband that you are treating him this way. If you actually gave him permission to view this stuff, he would more than likely stop viewing all together, over a period of time.

[Leikela]

Some of these other posters are right. The more you post, the more it sounds like it's really YOUR problem that you're imposing on your husband. The dead give away was the fact that you got a boob job. That screams insecurity. Do you feel the need to have to live up to these naked women? You didn't care that he looked at the magazine THIS TIME because the women in it weren't hotter then you? What if they were hotter then you? Then you'd be upset?

 

It's not a competition. I don't see why you feel the need to compete with these naked women in the magazines. You are going to end up destroying yourself in the process and that process has already begun. I think maybe you should go talk to someone about your low self esteem and find out why it's in the gutter. You shouldn't be competing with fantasy women. That's absurd. Your husband doesn't love you because you have a D sized chest now. He loves you for what is INSIDE of you. If you had faith in that, then these models wouldn't even phase you.

[Bronzepen]

Originally posted by moimeme

Here's one for starters. At the bottom, it lists the steps for negotiating with your partner. Try that instead of issuing orders.

 

http://www.meaningfulliving.com/living/transforming_conflict.htm

 

 

 

Good post moimeme. I couldn't agree more.

 

This is getting off topic but I do have one question concerning negotiating with partners. Specifically, getting someone to listen to your concerns.

 

If your SO doesn't want to hear it or gets defensive off the bat then how can you go about starting the first step in the link that you provided?

 

How can you start a conversation with someone who is stubborn and not open to listening to your concerns?

 

Thank you in advance.

 

Again, apologies for getting off topic here.

[moimeme]

What follows is my own speculation based on Grey and other stuff I've read. John Grey tells us that men need to feel competent. A woman being upset with a man can distress him because it means he did something 'wrong' = therefore he reads that as him being 'incompetent'. So if a man was being defensive, I'd try to figure out what might be making him feel insecure or defensive.

 

It seems to me that some men equate their partners to their moms who always found them bad and wrong so they revert to hostility and frustration when they are told they have done something that bothers someone. I think that many of them need to feel much more accepted and appreciated than they generally feel. It's easy to do that for someone but I suspect that a lot of women think all men are so confident that they don't need to be told that they're appreciated.

 

So the first step, IMHO, would be to do the work to let him feel that you appreciate him a great deal and then he should be less threatened by the suggestion that he may not be doing everything perfectly. This doesn't mean you tell him 'I think you're fabulous but...' The two sets of communication should be conducted separately, and quite a bit of the appreciation stuff should take place first.

[FolderWife]

Ok, do you people not GET that I can't MAKE my husband do anything? Who said that I MADE him promise not to look at it? Hello!?!?!?!?! I was upset that he looked at it, and couldn't give me a reason why. He didn't say, "I like to masterbate to it." Nor did he say, "It's just fun to look at them." NOT EVEN "I see your body every day, so this adds variety." He said, "Duuuuuuh, I don't know..." So I'm like, "Well, if you don't even know why you look at it, and it hurts me, why do you continue?" "Duuuuuuuuuh, I don't know..." So I start crying. He looks at it, because even though it hurts me, and he has NO IDEA why he looks at it, he continues to look at it, which spells to me that he doesn't care about me. I don't necessarily want him to STOP, I want an explaination!!!! TELL MY WHY MY BODY ISN'T ENOUGH!!! GIVE ME AN ANSWER I CAN ACCEPT!!!

 

He doesn't explain it, he simply says, "I will never do it again." I didn't tell him not to! Then, I say, "Promise?" Because I want a guarantee that he really means what he's saying, and isn't just saying it to get me to stop crying, and THEN HE PROMISES! If he wants to look at other naked women (pictures, whatever) then he needs to explain to the woman he promised himself to why. If he decides to NOT give me a reason why MY man wants to see other naked bodies, and promises never to look at them again, then he needs to stand by his promise!

 

How am I controlling to expect him to stand behind his promise? Hmm?

 

P.S. If you were in my relationship, you'd see who the controlling one is, and it sure as heck ain't me.

 

P.P.S. I let him take all the poloroids he wants...he's upgraded to film though, and I don't like the idea of whoever develops it having their hands on naked pictures of me. What does he care though? It ain't his naked body being exploited

[moimeme]

which spells to me that he doesn't care about me

 

But it shouldn't. YOU have decided that his looking at porn means that in your own head, regardless of whether or not it is true. Do you ever read my posts on this topic? What you just said is exactly what I keep saying. YOU have made this about whether or not he loves you. It isn't, but you insist on believing that it is.

 

And, given how you berate him and treat him and given the fact he's still there, it's got to be love or he'd be gone.

 

While you're at it, go read the thread by the guy whose wife has promised repeatedly to lose weight but hasn't. He has the good sense to not read her inability to keep a dumb promise as a lack of love for him. He understands that people try to do things but often fail because they are human and aren't good at controlling impulses.

[Adunaphel]

Hello moimeme,

 

thank you for your reply.

 

The weblink you posted is really interesting, I checked it out.

I feel tat it might come useful to me.

 

I agree with you that women should not try to give orders to men.

(and same way around)

 

Actually the compromises(or not compromises ) I mentioned were not originally in the form I reported in my post. My fault for re-phrasing them as orders in my post (and I have a feeling that even having re-phrased them as an order while they actually were not might mean that I have some communication problem).

One of them was actually suggested by my SO.

 

Is the book you mentioned in your last post 'men are from mars, women are from venus'?

I read it before my first serious relationship, and I guess it helped.

[FolderWife]

And to whomever said, "She should've found out that he looked at it before she married him," I LIKED porn when we were first married. I invited it into our sex life. It's when he started looking all by himself, and denying me any kind of sex at all (and by denying me sex, I mean whacking off to other women so much that he couldn't get an erection with me) THAT'S when I started having a problem with it.

 

A couple of months after we got married, he basically stopped having sex with me. He could never get off, and if I didn't make him orgasm, he got mad at me. Then, I'd get upset, because he's mad at me for not getting him off, and it'd be a big mess. Then, he stopped being able to get an erection

 

So then after about 3or 4 months of this, I find out that he's masterbating to porn pretty much daily. So I've been bouncing on him for hours, until my legs couldn't go any more, and he STILL wasn't getting off, then I was giving up, and he was getting angry, and I was getting upset.

 

I thought porn was fun to watch, but when I was having sexual problems with him as a newly wed, and then finding that he was masterbating so much to pictures of other women, THAT HURT! I mean, how can he not get an erection with me his wife, yet he can get an erection with other women

 

So in a way, I was competing with it...and I wasn't winning! It finally got to the point, that I was ready to leave, because I couldn't STAND the rejection that I felt from him He was getting off with fantasies of other women, and not even getting up for me! How would you feel, if your husband couldn't get an erections with you, and your dirty dances, sexy lingerie, and naked body??? I would rub on him for an hour before he'd get a little chubby, then when we'd actually start to have sex, he was soft again in 5 minutes

 

But he could get, maintain, and orgasm while masterbating to pictures of other women.

 

When we got porn out of the house, his desire for me skyrocketed!!! Now that he didn't have plastic women to look at, his plain ol wife wasn't so bad.

 

Even though it still crushes me that if my husband had pictures of other women, he probably wouldn't be as attracted to me as he is now, I try not to entertain that thought, and live with the happiness that is MY HUSBAND ONLY SEES ME NAKED.

 

I wouldn't have had a problem, I don't think, If my husband and I had a healthy, fulfilling sex life, while he looked at porn every day, but when my body just wasn't doing it for him, and other women's were, that really hurt my self esteem! When he'd promise not to look at it any more, and then he would, that hurts too. That made me feel like I wasn't enough, even when he made an EFFORT to see only my body.

 

Now, he tells me that I should be proud of my body, and that I'm so sexy, etc etc...but back then, he didn't seem like he could care less if I was naked, or wearing shorts and a t-shirt.

 

So I liked porn when we first got married. But when porn was getting my husband hard, and I wasn't, I became jealous of it.

 

Do you get it?

 

I think I have a pretty valid reason. I liked porn when we first got married, and we'd watch it together. Then, he stopped being able to get an erection with me. I'd rub on him for hours, and he wouldn't get hard. On the occasional times that he would get an erection long enough to have sex with me, he wouldn't be able to orgasm. If I stopped before he finished, he'd get angry. I thought he was getting angry at me, and I'd go to another room and cry.

 

So, my husband can rarely get an erection with me, and he never gets off.

 

Then, I find out that he looks at porn.

 

So my husband, who is so unsexual, that he can't get an erection, likes to look at other naked women. At first, I didn't put two and two together, and realize that he's masterbating to the pictures, so I just thought that he didn't like my body, but he did like theirs.

 

THEN, when I finally realized that he's masterbating to these pictures, I felt so betrayed! Sex was such a big deal for us, because it was a constant effort to make him enjoy it. HE'S A MAN FOR CHRISTS SAKES, AND HE DOESN'T WANT TO HAVE SEX!!!

 

So, a MAN doesn't want to have sex. Something's wrong. A husband can't get an erection with his wife. Something's wrong. A man who's woman is going down on him, and getting on top, etc etc can't have an orgasm. Something's wrong.

 

Wait....he's looking at porn? He can get an erection and have an orgasm while he's watching other women play with themselves???? Something's wrong all right...IT'S ME! THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH ME! It's not that he can't get an erection, it's that he can't get an erection with ME! It's not that he can't orgasm, it's that he can't orgasm with ME!

[Bronzepen]

Originally posted by moimeme

What follows is my own speculation based on Grey and other stuff I've read. John Grey tells us that men need to feel competent. A woman being upset with a man can distress him because it means he did something 'wrong' = therefore he reads that as him being 'incompetent'. So if a man was being defensive, I'd try to figure out what might be making him feel insecure or defensive.

 

It seems to me that some men equate their partners to their moms who always found them bad and wrong so they revert to hostility and frustration when they are told they have done something that bothers someone. I think that many of them need to feel much more accepted and appreciated than they generally feel. It's easy to do that for someone but I suspect that a lot of women think all men are so confident that they don't need to be told that they're appreciated.

 

So the first step, IMHO, would be to do the work to let him feel that you appreciate him a great deal and then he should be less threatened by the suggestion that he may not be doing everything perfectly. This doesn't mean you tell him 'I think you're fabulous but...' The two sets of communication should be conducted separately, and quite a bit of the appreciation stuff should take place first.

 

 

OK but what is the first step when it's the woman?

[FolderWife]

Originally posted by moimeme

If the reason a woman is upset about porn is bogus, for instance, believing that it's 'cheating' or it 'making' her feel ugly, then she has a responsibility to alter her beliefs, just as she would if she believed her faithful husband was having an affair or that the neighbour's cat were spying on her. To stubbornly refuse to believe truth in favour of some invention of your own mind is the sign of an unreasonable human and would indeed be a signal of bad relationship material in a man or a woman.

 

I'm upset becaue my husband couldn't get an erection, or have an orgasm with me, but he could get an erection and have an orgasm, while watching porn.

 

I stubbornly refuse to believe that the reason he couldn't make love to me WASN'T because of the porn, because now that it's gone, we make love practically daily.

 

I as a newlywed wasn't getting any from my husband...from a MAN! Everyone lets on like men want it all the time, and think about it all the time. So it was really odd to me that my MAN didn't ever want it.

 

Porn + My Husband= No sex/ lovemaking for me (his wife)

My Husband - Porn = Sex/ lovemaking daily for me (his wife)

 

So me (his wife) really likes it when my husband doesn't look at porn.

 

I feel like as his wife, he owes me sex once in a while if he's wanting it. Don't waste a perfectly good erection on porn. I mean, come on, if you want to get your rocks off, get them off with the woman who you love, who loves you, and who's laying in your bed DYING to have sex with you. Don't masterbate to porn!

[jmargel]

Well Monday, you kinda let that part out until JUST NOW! Ugh..

 

Anyway, how about a comprimise. He looks at it LESS and doesn't masterbate to it (or very little) Does that sound fair?

[Mr Spock]

Yeah, I don't remember you stating your husband couldn't get erections with you if he jerked off to porn-but there has been so many women posting about it lately.

[dyermaker]

*hits head against brick wall*

 

You really think the fact that you're not having sex is because he looks at porn?

 

Nevermind, of course you do. We can't help you. You'd rather whine and berate him than work on the communication between you two. I'm just surprised he's stayed through all this.

 

It would do you a great deal of service to actually read what people have been telling you. It would do you a great deal of service to get rid of your destructive qualifications like "Porn = no love", etc. It would do you a GREAT deal of service to get to a qualified counselor. Make time.

[FolderWife]

Well, as soon as porn was gone, my husband was all over me.

 

And it's not like I changed for the better, because I was still VERY bitter about the whole thing. He just healed instantly, and wanted me.

 

I'm just now getting over it.

 

I have mentioned my problem with his lack of interest in sex being related to porn, but I understand how easily it can be forgotten which situation goes with which porn victim.

[Grinning Maniac]

You know something Monday...if you were here in front of me right now, I would throw a brick at your head.

 

It took FOUR PAGES of dialogue for you to bring up CRITICAL DETAILS about your husband. Why didn't you mention all of this in the BEGINNING? Would that have REALLY been so hard? I would think that "my husband beats off so much to porn that he can't bust a nut even when I'm riding him for hours, but he gets rock hard for internet tit" would be a pretty important statement to make...but you know, maybe I'm just nuts!

 

I think I speak for everyone when I say: *sigh*

[FolderWife]

Gee whiz, sorry!!!

 

I just took for granted, that Everyone had already heard my story before

 

http://www.loveshack.org/forums/t42224/15-2?highlight=porn

 

http://www.loveshack.org/forums/t28818/15-5?highlight=porn

 

http://www.loveshack.org/forums/t39980/?highlight=porn

 

There are three links that I found in five minutes.

 

Guess not as many people read my posts as I though