JAH6789 Posted August 16, 2012 Posted August 16, 2012 me preface this by saying I have no idea what I expect to get out of this but it has to come off my chest. Maybe some positive reinforcement from you guys and gals. Ok, here goes. The girlfriend and I have been together for 4 years. Is she the girl I was going to marry, yes. Were both in our young 30’s. I've had a rocky employment road the first 2 years but have had steadier work this last year. We've always had more good times than bad, fights lasted a few hours if that. Also, she's made a ton of sacrifices for us over the years and some of the times had the majority of our financial burden although I always gave her what I could. Our relationship had gotten a little stale the last few months, less sex. less doing things together and she has told me that our lifestyle is becoming boring and that's why we needed to move back towards where we used to live because our commutes were killing us. Now, 2 weekends ago Her I and her younger brother hosted a summer BBQ thingy. Everyone has a great time, party goes through the night. She wakes up the next morning in blackout state not remembering what happened. Turns out, late that night a few of the guys and girls were skinny dipping in the pool. I had no idea where as I was in the house with others. Sunday comes around and everything is fine. We both have long commutes from where we live, about 60 miles each way. Come Monday now, she gets home from work and is completely miserable. Goes upstairs and is reading and facebook messaging on her iphone all night. I ask her what the problem is and she says that she thinks it would be in the best interest if we moved back and got separate places for a few months. Now things are weird and I know something is up. Up intil last night, she's been doing a good job of being a real bitch and I decide I really want to know what's going on. So I snoop, we've all done it. I find a recently closed tab on FB where she was messaging a guy at the party who's friends with her younger brother. After some reading, mind you, this convo happened last night in our bedroom while i'm in the next room watching TV. Turns out she was fooling around with him, in the hot tub that night. As i read on, it just gets worse. some parts of their convo: her- Knowing I have a 100% chance of getting laid after the dust settles at least gives me something to look forward to And I'm sure you'd put out too her- Do you want to revisit this whole thing after we officially separate? Are you getting all weird about it again? (she's referring to her and I separating) him - Would it be weird for you to hangout with me and your brothers friends often? her - The real question is will it be weird for you to hang out with my brother once he knows you're *****ing me? him - I can see that, My awkward moment comes later her - wait, what? him - Possibly your brother, no idea when her - Oh yeah, we'll keep this quiet For now. If anything other than crazy wild hot sex comes of it then yes. her - And I'll just pretend I'm going up to see thump (her good friend), we run into each other and then you just shoot my brother a text Real spur of the moment her - he's been driving me into work all week while my car is in the shop so I've been reading and not saying much. him - that sounds awkward, i'd be getting road head. her - you would if you were in the driver seat. this is where it really hit home..... him – I want that so bad right now her - I want so many things right now you have no idea him - sure I do. her - Oh yes I forgot I've already revealed everything I want to do with you him - same here her - i still have a few things him - i'm intrigued her - you'll find out. her - So do I HAVE to be living separately before we can do anything? It may not be for a few weeks him - you gotta be single her - Absolutely. I don't want to intentionally hurt someone any more than I have to. The cheating is the worst of the painful breakups too. Going to bed, night! him - never happened ok, sorry for the boring read, and also if it's confusing. there was a lot more to it but this is the stuff that really hit me hard. I call her out on it this morning and asked her if she slept with him, she says no and swears it was not sex but she was indeed fooling around. Now, she does not know that I had all this info. She claims she has no feelings for him and it was just a sexual thing. I don't buy it as less than 24 hours ago this conversation was going on between them. This really threw me for a shocker. If anyone knows her, they know she's not the type. She blamed it on the the alcohol and also said something along the lines of with our lives getting a little stale she just needed sex, really? She obviously shows no sign of being remorseful as this is currently happening. Her texts to me through out the day consist of: "I want us to be able to give this another chance, I need time to focus on me right now. I still want to give us a chance if you will. I swear on everything I have no feelings for him. You are the only person I have ever truly loved. Please dont give up on us totally." This one I found funny, "can we please not tell anyone about this because if we can get back together and everyone knew I wouldnt be able to do it" So obviously the texts are her just trying to make herself not feel bad about this, am I right? I'm reaching out to friends currently so to see if there's a room to crash at. I realize that I need to get out of here immediately. I know as soon as I'm gone, i doubt i'll ever hear from her again. Lastly, she begged and pleaded not for me to tell her family about this as we our very close. The more I read this, I'm telling her that if she doesnt tell them the reason I'm leaving, I am. Like I said from the beginning, I'm not sure what kind of reply's to expect out of this but I’m really confused right now. She’s also texting me using monetary reasons for her betrayal. Anything she can do to justify what she did.
Fitz Posted August 16, 2012 Posted August 16, 2012 She's back-peddling a little because you have asserted your value by not putting up with her sh**. Now she's second guessing herself a little because she doesn't want to be caught out in the cold if you leave and her new 'romance' doesn't pan out. I can't stand this type of selfish wishy washy behavior and "cake eating". If you want to be with someone then be with them or just leave! Life could be so simple... But she said it herself: she takes comfort in guaranteed sex. In other words she doesn't want to leave the security of an old relationship unless security in a new relationship is completely established. It boils down to this: if you get back with her, she will always be looking for the "next best thing" to date. So your relationship with her will always be doomed. Run like hell. 2
Untouchable_Fire Posted August 16, 2012 Posted August 16, 2012 This one I found funny, "can we please not tell anyone about this because if we can get back together and everyone knew I wouldnt be able to do it" The more I read this, I'm telling her that if she doesnt tell them the reason I'm leaving, I am. Like I said from the beginning, I'm not sure what kind of reply's to expect out of this but I’m really confused right now. She’s also texting me using monetary reasons for her betrayal. Anything she can do to justify what she did. Even if you tell her family they won't believe you in the end. I'd let every single one of my friends know she is a cheating piece of crap. It's pointless to tell her family though... and it makes you look petty. I'm sorry guy. Don't feel too bad about it though... I don't know a single guy my age who hasn't been cheated on. This is your chance to find someone better. 1
Author JAH6789 Posted August 16, 2012 Author Posted August 16, 2012 Even if you tell her family they won't believe you in the end. I'd let every single one of my friends know she is a cheating piece of crap. It's pointless to tell her family though... and it makes you look petty. I'm sorry guy. Don't feel too bad about it though... I don't know a single guy my age who hasn't been cheated on. This is your chance to find someone better. I agree it would make me look petty. The only way her family would believe me would be if I showed them the evidence, which I have and she has no idea I have it.
whichwayisup Posted August 16, 2012 Posted August 16, 2012 Jah, don't marry her! This woman is not wife material. Maybe she used to be but not now. Whatever you two shared is over and things have changed. She's cheated on you (so what if they haven't actually 'had' sex yet, they've fooled around and talked about one day having sex which is just as bad. The intention is there. I'm sorry that this is happening to you but better now than in 4 years from now when you're married and have children. End it. And you should tell your family the reason why you two have split up. This is HER doing, not yours. 1
Untouchable_Fire Posted August 16, 2012 Posted August 16, 2012 I agree it would make me look petty. The only way her family would believe me would be if I showed them the evidence, which I have and she has no idea I have it. Burn the evidence. It does you absolutely no good to keep it. Hanging onto that crap just drags you down. I know this because after I went through it... I caught myself going back over that evidence 1 year later. It just kept dragging me down. You don't want to go down that rabbit hole. I know you feel like this situation is unfair... and it is. I know you have a lot of feelings swirling around... but the more you dwell and give in to those darker impulses... the harder it is to move on. Clearly she seems focused on the money stuff. Personally, I would take my revenge by being as successful as possible. Use this as motivation to strive for that six figure mark. When this happened to me... I focused really hard on my career and found myself doing very well. For like 3 years I had money piling up faster than I could spend it. I dated like crazy and it was tons of fun. 1
Owl Posted August 16, 2012 Posted August 16, 2012 Dating is the "trial" phase of a relationship. Seems to me that the "trial" demonstrated to you what kind of person she is. I agree with everyone else...end it. Tell her that you know the truth. That she's done a lot more with him than she's admitting to you, and you're DONE with her. Tell her that you know her request for "space" is requesting enough leeway to try him on for size...and you're not good with that in any way, shape, or fashion. Tell her she's free to move back...on her own, without you. Oh...and let her brother know what went on...why not? 3
BetrayedH Posted August 16, 2012 Posted August 16, 2012 (edited) You can see how far off the deep end she went and now she is still lying, denying, and minimizing. She hasn't suddenly fallen back in love with you. She is just in major damage control mode and is afraid everyone is going to find out that you left HER because she cheated rather than her being able to dump you quietly. Don't think about reconciling. Sometimes it can be done in a situation involving a drunken one-night stand for which the wayward is truly remorseful. That's obviously not the case here. She's still playing you for a fool and managing you, probably all at the coaching of her new pal (who is getting less interested in this drama by the minute). You're not married to this girl and have no kids with her. You should run and your only questions should be how far and how fast. Leave her family alone. Tell them the truth if they ask. Keep your own sense of integrity through this whole thing. It's not easy to do. Make decisions with your head and not with your heart. It hurts but intellectually you know you did nothing to deserve this. She had other choices that would have been respectful. Good luck. Keep posting for advice. There's a lot of good info here. Edited August 16, 2012 by BetrayedH 1
Author JAH6789 Posted August 16, 2012 Author Posted August 16, 2012 You can see how far off the deep end she went and now she is still lying, denying, and minimizing. She hasn't suddenly fallen back in love with you. She is just in major damage control mode and is afraid everyone is going to find out that you left HER because she cheated rather than her being able to dump you quietly. Don't think about reconciling. Sometimes it can be done in a situation involving a drunken one-night stand for which the wayward is truly remorseful. That's obviously not the case here. She's still playing you for a fool and managing you, probably all at the coaching of her new pal (who is getting less interested in this drama by the minute). You're not married to this girl and have no kids with her. You should run and your only questions should be how far and how fast. Leave her family alone. Tell them the truth if they ask. Keep your own sense of integrity through this whole thing. It's not easy to do. Make decisions with your head and not with your heart. It hurts but intellectually you know you did nothing to deserve this. She had other choices that would have been respectful. Good luck. Keep posting for advice. There's a lot of good info here. "She is just in major damage control mode and is afraid everyone is going to find out that you left HER because she cheated rather than her being able to dump you quietly. " That's it too, she told her family and I'm sure friends that "we couldn't catch a break and it was wearing on us" and that's why we split up. That's what she told her parents and probably told that to her friends with a sprinkle of smack talk about me. I know I shouldn't care but it's still the beginning and i just want the truth to be known.
Spark1111 Posted August 16, 2012 Posted August 16, 2012 Hmmm....he said nothing happened (intercourse, I assume) and nothing will until she's single. Her younger brother's friend seems like he has some boundaries he is enforcing. Which implies, at least to me, that drunk and skinny dipping are the excuses she is using today to rug sweep that she was the aggressor that night. I am so sorry you are going through this right now, and I agree with the others that this ship has sailed on you. Yes, i would leave. I would move closer to work. And I would defintely inform her brother as to why I was doing so. Keep your evidence if anyone tries to tell you you are overreacting. You are not. Time to find a woman who appreciates you for you. She is not it. Sorry. 3
BetrayedH Posted August 16, 2012 Posted August 16, 2012 "She is just in major damage control mode and is afraid everyone is going to find out that you left HER because she cheated rather than her being able to dump you quietly. " That's it too, she told her family and I'm sure friends that "we couldn't catch a break and it was wearing on us" and that's why we split up. That's what she told her parents and probably told that to her friends with a sprinkle of smack talk about me. I know I shouldn't care but it's still the beginning and i just want the truth to be known. You shouldn't feel bad if people find out, even if it ends up coming from you. This is a risk that she knowingly chose to take and it's a natural consequence of her actions. You might want to be a little careful (not to be vengeful) just because you can't untell it but I sure as hell wouldn't want my reputation damaged by her lying bull**** when you can easily clear up any confusion on the part of your family or friends (or hers for that matter). You're in the driver's seat, bud. Personally I would save the evidence that you have. It may bring back some pain later if you find yourself reading that crap later but knowing you can throw an ace when she lies to everyone, well, that's awesome. She obviously didn't care about you. Don't turn into someone you hate but that doesn't mean you have to provide her with any respect that she declined to provide to you. Good luck 1
Author JAH6789 Posted August 16, 2012 Author Posted August 16, 2012 "You're in the driver's seat, bud. Personally I would save the evidence that you have. It may bring back some pain later if you find yourself reading that crap later but knowing you can throw an ace when she lies to everyone, well, that's awesome. She obviously didn't care about you. Don't turn into someone you hate but that doesn't mean you have to provide her with any respect that she declined to provide to you." you couldn't have said it any better. I'm holding onto it because this did just happen and who knows what kind of crap she might try pulling. 1
drifter777 Posted August 16, 2012 Posted August 16, 2012 I know I'm echoing most of the other advice you have gotten here so consider this another vote for leaving her and starting your social life over. Not married, no kids - this is really a no brainer. Rejoice that you discovered the two of you are not going to work before you had any children. 2
GLDheart Posted August 17, 2012 Posted August 17, 2012 Yes leave. Move out now. Give her no explanation... BUT, print out that facebook crap in like 52 copies and leave it all over the house... leave it on the stairs on the way in. LEAVE IT EVERYWHERE.... and forward a copy to the brother's email. Maybe he'll knock his buddy in the jaw. No explanation except your being gone. That's what she deserves. She's a hoe and will get used like a hoe. Get as far away from her as possible this girl is about to hit rock bottom. Go out with a bang. Maybe once this broad grows up, she will think twice before she cheats again. 4
Later82012 Posted August 17, 2012 Posted August 17, 2012 I agree it would make me look petty. The only way her family would believe me would be if I showed them the evidence, which I have and she has no idea I have it. Even if they knew she is the worst person in the world they would still love her and support her. I know I would mine.
Author JAH6789 Posted August 17, 2012 Author Posted August 17, 2012 If OP's gf was out there skinny dipping with a bunch of other people, and making out or who knows what with the new guy, then "everyone" already knows about it. C'mon people. The betrayed is usually the last to find out. You don't think when they have a big skinny dipping party and OP's gf is seen by everyone making out with the new guy--or let's say they "disappear" into the bushes together--it's some kind of a great big mystery that something is "going on"? They paired off at the skinny dipping party. EVERYONE in their social circle knows about this. And guess what? Pretty much no one cares "whose fault" it was. Except OP. OP's gf is just a pretty slutty chick that OP put on a pedestal, as almost all guys tend to do. No one else perceives her that way, because no one else is in OP's shoes. She was probably always a pretty slutty chick and she's probably done this type of thing in prior relationships. People are just going to assume that this was yet another non-serious relationship that went along but the woman was never really satisfied, she was just in a holding pattern until she found someone who tickled her "fancy" a bit more. No one is going to care and no one is going to blame her. Everyone is going to think "Well that's what you get for being involved with a girl like her, you had a fun ride until the wild mare bucked you off because she got tired of you and wanted a new stallion." OP, you don't need to keep any evidence, you don't need to tell her family, you don't need to worry about whose "fault" it is, none of that. EVERYONE KNOWS she cheated on you, she was doing it at a darn skinny dipping party! Just MOVE ON. If it ever comes up in conversation--and you can never be the first one to bring it up--just say "Oh yeah her. She's a very nice girl, but I guess she just decided that one cock wasn't enough for her." That's ALL you need to say. The point will be made. EVERY guy has gone through something similar at least once in their life, or knows someone who has gone through it--a friend, a relative. And be sure to shrug LIKE YOU DON"T GIVE A DAMN one way or the other. Because you shouldn't give a damn. You should be HAPPY this happened before marriage and children with her. You might even find that if you're laid back about the whole thing, the person who brings it up will start telling you about all the other shyte she was doing with guys behind your back that everyone but you knows about. As for her family? Forget 'em. Don't even worry about it. If someone ever gets in your face and accuses you of bad conduct with her (why they would bother is unknown, it's never going to happen, but in case it does...), just smile and say "Is that what she told you?" and just sort of shake your head, and change the subject. If they pry just say "Listen I have a rule, I never gossip about old girlfriends and old relationships. That's in the past now, I've moved on, and I hope she has, too. We had fun while it lasted and I hope she finds what she's looking for." THAT SAYS IT ALL. Honest Abe, After reading through everyone's responses, which I truly appreciate it. This one nailed it. Not only was it bound to happen eventually, the girl truly had other issues. Constant panic attacks, very bad bulimia, still doing coke, that night and at her age. What's funny is, her last FB wall post summed it up when it said "mexican party bus this weekend, beer olympics and BBQ next weekend. Clearly I still believe I am in college" 3
karnak Posted August 17, 2012 Posted August 17, 2012 Constant panic attacks, very bad bulimia, still doing coke, that night and at her age. What's funny is, her last FB wall post summed it up when it said "mexican party bus this weekend, beer olympics and BBQ next weekend. Clearly I still believe I am in college" She's like this at her 30's?? Well... another self-destructive woman coming up.
karnak Posted August 17, 2012 Posted August 17, 2012 If OP's gf was out there skinny dipping with a bunch of other people, and making out or who knows what with the new guy, then "everyone" already knows about it. C'mon people. The betrayed is usually the last to find out. You don't think when they have a big skinny dipping party and OP's gf is seen by everyone making out with the new guy--or let's say they "disappear" into the bushes together--it's some kind of a great big mystery that something is "going on"? They paired off at the skinny dipping party. EVERYONE in their social circle knows about this. And guess what? Pretty much no one cares "whose fault" it was. Except OP. OP's gf is just a pretty slutty chick that OP put on a pedestal, as almost all guys tend to do. No one else perceives her that way, because no one else is in OP's shoes. She was probably always a pretty slutty chick and she's probably done this type of thing in prior relationships. People are just going to assume that this was yet another non-serious relationship that went along but the woman was never really satisfied, she was just in a holding pattern until she found someone who tickled her "fancy" a bit more. No one is going to care and no one is going to blame her. Everyone is going to think "Well that's what you get for being involved with a girl like her, you had a fun ride until the wild mare bucked you off because she got tired of you and wanted a new stallion." OP, you don't need to keep any evidence, you don't need to tell her family, you don't need to worry about whose "fault" it is, none of that. EVERYONE KNOWS she cheated on you, she was doing it at a darn skinny dipping party! Just MOVE ON. If it ever comes up in conversation--and you can never be the first one to bring it up--just say "Oh yeah her. She's a very nice girl, but I guess she just decided that one cock wasn't enough for her." That's ALL you need to say. The point will be made. EVERY guy has gone through something similar at least once in their life, or knows someone who has gone through it--a friend, a relative. And be sure to shrug LIKE YOU DON"T GIVE A DAMN one way or the other. Because you shouldn't give a damn. You should be HAPPY this happened before marriage and children with her. You might even find that if you're laid back about the whole thing, the person who brings it up will start telling you about all the other shyte she was doing with guys behind your back that everyone but you knows about. As for her family? Forget 'em. Don't even worry about it. If someone ever gets in your face and accuses you of bad conduct with her (why they would bother is unknown, it's never going to happen, but in case it does...), just smile and say "Is that what she told you?" and just sort of shake your head, and change the subject. If they pry just say "Listen I have a rule, I never gossip about old girlfriends and old relationships. That's in the past now, I've moved on, and I hope she has, too. We had fun while it lasted and I hope she finds what she's looking for." THAT SAYS IT ALL. Abe hit a bullseye. This hard, yet simple truth seems to be what usually happens in most cases of infidelity. Most cheated-on spouses never really get to know the true character of the person they are involved/married with. They think they know the person like their own hand. Yet we lack serious details concerning the infancy, teen years and so on, and so on. So many important details that are severely lacking. And sometimes we also pretend not to see the "gruesome" details, and we fool ourselves saying that our partner only behaved like that because he/she hadn't met us yet. This post is an example of how the (apparently) most decent people can have an obscure past that can reveal things to come (or not). 1
Author JAH6789 Posted September 7, 2012 Author Posted September 7, 2012 Just a quick update, I've been out for a month now and things are getting better. I've had very little correspondence with the ex and she seems to text me when she needs things from me. A quick one here. So right after I bailed, i had a couple weddings to go to the following 2 weeks which I brought a date to. Earlier in the summer, I bought weddings gifts for these weddings, left them in our attic when I moved out, (it just slipped my mind). I asked thee ex the next week if she wouldn't mind bringing them to her work (we work 2 miles from each other) and I'd pick them up, she says, sure no problem. Week and a half goes by and everyday she says she forgot them "they're at the front door and i just forgot to bring them". Day of the first wedding she sends me a text saying "they're gone" i say what is? she says the presents. I said, you told me 2 days ago they were at the front door? she says, I lied. So, a week later she sends me a text saying the electric bill was $800, so I know right there she's full of ****. Wants money from me. I tell her, well thats funny because that is now what i've spent on these wedding gifts, between the ones you lost and the new ones I have to pay for. I told her to stop bugging me about money because she screwed me over by not doing that one favor. I don't hear from her at all, luckily until yesterday saying: "can you please send me money? even just a $100 a week. ive picked up the tab on a lot of stuff. My credit card statements are full of eating out and drinking and **** we did together, not to mention the electric is so high because you were home all of June & july" seriously? this girl still does not realize what she has done. I think, she still thinks we went our separate ways, where as, i left on my own accord. Is she entitled to anything from me besides jack and ****? I mean, she's got some nerve right, cheating on me, and made plans to continue to do so and now wants me to help her pay off her credit card debt from dinners we spent together? what do i write back to this crazy whore? or just completely ignore her? none of the bills are in either of our names. we were living in her empty grandfathers house and paying all the utilities still under her family's name.
Chi townD Posted September 7, 2012 Posted September 7, 2012 Dude, change your phone number. That would be cheaper than $100 a month. And how the hell can you have a $800 electric bill?!?! I couldn't even get my bill up that high even if I tried! Go back to ignoring her.
pteromom Posted September 7, 2012 Posted September 7, 2012 I don't hear from her at all, luckily until yesterday saying: "can you please send me money? even just a $100 a week. ive picked up the tab on a lot of stuff. My credit card statements are full of eating out and drinking and **** we did together, not to mention the electric is so high because you were home all of June & july" If you really were home and used half of the electricity, and if she really did pay for your meals, etc. on her card, I would send her SOMETHING. Not $800, and not $100 every week, but SOMETHING. A one-time payoff and goodbye. She was wrong with what she did. Doesn't mean you have to be a jerk too.
karnak Posted September 7, 2012 Posted September 7, 2012 Just a quick update, I've been out for a month now and things are getting better. I've had very little correspondence with the ex and she seems to text me when she needs things from me. A quick one here. So right after I bailed, i had a couple weddings to go to the following 2 weeks which I brought a date to. Earlier in the summer, I bought weddings gifts for these weddings, left them in our attic when I moved out, (it just slipped my mind). I asked thee ex the next week if she wouldn't mind bringing them to her work (we work 2 miles from each other) and I'd pick them up, she says, sure no problem. Week and a half goes by and everyday she says she forgot them "they're at the front door and i just forgot to bring them". Day of the first wedding she sends me a text saying "they're gone" i say what is? she says the presents. I said, you told me 2 days ago they were at the front door? she says, I lied. So, a week later she sends me a text saying the electric bill was $800, so I know right there she's full of ****. Wants money from me. I tell her, well thats funny because that is now what i've spent on these wedding gifts, between the ones you lost and the new ones I have to pay for. I told her to stop bugging me about money because she screwed me over by not doing that one favor. I don't hear from her at all, luckily until yesterday saying: "can you please send me money? even just a $100 a week. ive picked up the tab on a lot of stuff. My credit card statements are full of eating out and drinking and **** we did together, not to mention the electric is so high because you were home all of June & july" seriously? this girl still does not realize what she has done. I think, she still thinks we went our separate ways, where as, i left on my own accord. Is she entitled to anything from me besides jack and ****? I mean, she's got some nerve right, cheating on me, and made plans to continue to do so and now wants me to help her pay off her credit card debt from dinners we spent together? what do i write back to this crazy whore? or just completely ignore her? none of the bills are in either of our names. we were living in her empty grandfathers house and paying all the utilities still under her family's name. Looks like she's shown her true colours. A cheating gold-digger.
BetrayedH Posted September 7, 2012 Posted September 7, 2012 If you really were home and used half of the electricity, and if she really did pay for your meals, etc. on her card, I would send her SOMETHING. Not $800, and not $100 every week, but SOMETHING. A one-time payoff and goodbye. She was wrong with what she did. Doesn't mean you have to be a jerk too. I pretty well agree with this. If you owe her money, pay it and be done with it. Certainly no ongoing payments. I would calculate in what she owes you for those gifts. And I would ask for a copy of that electric bill. She's a self-proclaimed liar so I would not trust some gross amount like that. And if you pay her, pay by check so you can prove she's been paid (rather than cash).
FryFish Posted September 7, 2012 Posted September 7, 2012 Dont pay her ****... 800 dollar electric bill? BULL****. 100 bucks per week? So she has date money? No, **** that WHORE!... She pawned the wedding gifts... She owes YOU money.
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