SJC2008 Posted June 25, 2012 Posted June 25, 2012 The irony. OP's thread is about wanting to take it slow and if you don't make a move you'll lose her and many women are saying all guys want is sex. There are women who won't jump into the sack right away trust me they're out there. But I'd step it up with the kissing OP. You don't have to kiss on the 1st date I don't but I'd kiss on the second date for sure!
Shaun-Dro Posted June 25, 2012 Posted June 25, 2012 Women literally preach they do not want guys who push for sex or too much physical contact too soon. all fine and dandy. but if a guy doesn't 'go for the kiss' within a couple of dates, she ditches him. why? Is it wrong for a guy to get to know a woman as a person before starting the physical stuff? The best thing to do is to make a move super fast when with a girl just to see their reaction. If they like you, it'll work out. If not, forget it. No use in trying to move slowly with every girl regardless of your intentions, since women generally won't appreciate it; except for the old maids and no one wants them, right?
verhrzn Posted June 25, 2012 Posted June 25, 2012 Yeah it makes it easier to demonize men. It gives them a sense of solidarity when men are demonized. Look at the fringe females when they post on here they get a crapload of like from other female users. The female "support system" in action. I will say this if a woman deals with men and all they want is sex its time to consider her role in the equation. I'm not trying to demonize. If a guy does or doesn't want a relationship, it's his business, so long as he's not trying to pull the wool over my eyes. I simply say," Aren't most guys players, given the opportunity" because that has been my experience. My experience has been that most guys have that one woman ("onitis," for reference) that they want a relationship with, that Perfect Creature, but that if they can't get a relationship with her, they'll happily sleep around without commitment. Is that demonization? It seems pretty accurate to what you say... that given the right, perfect woman, a guy will settle down, but otherwise he'll play around.
RedRobin Posted June 25, 2012 Posted June 25, 2012 The irony. OP's thread is about wanting to take it slow and if you don't make a move you'll lose her and many women are saying all guys want is sex. There are women who won't jump into the sack right away trust me they're out there. But I'd step it up with the kissing OP. You don't have to kiss on the 1st date I don't but I'd kiss on the second date for sure! ... and others have correctly pointed out that kissing isn't sex. Kissing and then not pushing to see what he can get away with sexually (either verbally or physically) before getting to know her... Combined with... establishing he is only seeing her before carrying things further... ... is how men show a woman he is looking for a relationship, in addition to other actions. Failure to show discretion, self-restraint, or responsibility before this point leaves the opposite impression. Sure, alot of women feel pressure to go along with a man's advances in order to have a chance of being in a relationship... and if these women haven't been successful on that path, then they need to try something different. Believe it or not, there ARE men who want to care about and have a real connection to the women they have sex with... before they have sex with her. 1
joystickd Posted June 25, 2012 Posted June 25, 2012 I'm not trying to demonize. If a guy does or doesn't want a relationship, it's his business, so long as he's not trying to pull the wool over my eyes. I simply say," Aren't most guys players, given the opportunity" because that has been my experience. My experience has been that most guys have that one woman ("onitis," for reference) that they want a relationship with, that Perfect Creature, but that if they can't get a relationship with her, they'll happily sleep around without commitment. Is that demonization? It seems pretty accurate to what you say... that given the right, perfect woman, a guy will settle down, but otherwise he'll play around. There are some that continue to seek out one woman to be with. The reality is the amount of players is few so even a comment aren't guys most guys player, given the opportunity is on some level demonizing. There are people given the opportunity will capitalize, but that doesn't make it the standard for everyone else for that group. The real world doesn't work that way. Everyone is different and has different motives.
RedRobin Posted June 25, 2012 Posted June 25, 2012 The best thing to do is to make a move super fast when with a girl just to see their reaction. If they like you, it'll work out. If not, forget it. No use in trying to move slowly with every girl regardless of your intentions, since women generally won't appreciate it; except for the old maids and no one wants them, right? so says the guy who says he's just looking for 'fun' with a girl who has no expectations... Sound like a relationship oriented guy? ah...no.
RedRobin Posted June 25, 2012 Posted June 25, 2012 Is that demonization? It seems pretty accurate to what you say... that given the right, perfect woman, a guy will settle down, but otherwise he'll play around. It seems 'demonization' is anything that suggests that men take ownership and responsibility for their own sexuality and it's consequences. "Consequences" including the fact that plenty of women won't view them as relationship potential if these men make a habit of playing around and has lots of sexual partners... no matter when/if he decides to settle down. As if... he all of a sudden is a prize because he says he is looking for a relationship... A statement that women are apparently obliged to accept on faith and agree to sleep him with on the off-chance he is telling the truth. ... and if women don't do that, the man is being 'demonized'.
joystickd Posted June 25, 2012 Posted June 25, 2012 It seems 'demonization' is anything that suggests that men take ownership and responsibility for their own sexuality and it's consequences. "Consequences" including the fact that plenty of women won't view them as relationship potential if these men make a habit of playing around and has lots of sexual partners... no matter when/if he decides to settle down. As if... he all of a sudden is a prize because he says he is looking for a relationship... A statement that women are apparently obliged to accept on faith and agree to sleep him with on the off-chance he is telling the truth. ... and if women don't do that, the man is being 'demonized'. Please read. I meant by generalizations and that goes both ways men and women.
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