Why Do People think Lowly Of Hookers?

[123321]

Let me be more precise, just for you.

 

The poster does bring up the "fornication" slur frequently, as if he has some weird fascination or fetish about that term.

Has tried to crash other threads using that offensive word.

 

Fornication is not a slur, it's a precise term with a precise meaning; someone having sexual contact with one or more others not their spouse.

 

 

So people get married and having sex are now "fornicating?"

Methinks reading a dictionary might help.

 

Read carefully. It's completely possible and (sadly) common for a person who is married to commit an act of fornication. Kathy is in favor of prostitution being criminal because some people commit adultery with hookers.

 

That is the logical equivalent of outlawing doctors because some patients commit insurance fraud. It makes no sense as an argument.

Edited July 8, 2012 by 123321

[FredRutherford]

 

Fornication is not a slur, it's a precise term with a precise meaning; someone having sexual contact with one or more others not their spouse.

Fornication is a pejorative term, one you hurl around often.

 

Yes, I should've read the posting more closely. Goes to show the folly in posting at 1:30 a.m.

[Nicomis]

Fornication is a pejorative term, one you hurl around often.

 

Yes, I should've read the posting more closely. Goes to show the folly in posting at 1:30 a.m.

 

Actually, KATHYM was throwing that term around a lot, he was just countering her points (or lack thereof).

[KathyM]

You can say what you like about the clients but you've overstretched the mark in suggesting that prostitutes are complicit in facilitating adultery. Prostitutes, like most points of sale, are not obliged to inquire about the background of their clients. Only unless you advocate such a stance, background checks for every customer at every purchase/service point (not just prostitution) - which would be totally unworkable at this point of time, does your view hold any water. But you don't, one reason is because its an impossibility for starters. This argument is specious, convenient - not a true reflection of reality.

 

Its a business and you've just described the dynamics of many workplaces. Brings us back to a pertinent point - freedom of choice and the ability for everyone to choose their own path however fraught with danger, and or happiness that it may bring.

Prostitutes ARE complicit in facilitating adultery. That's just a fact. And I'm not advocating against prostitution only when it involves adultery. It is demeaning to women and children, it exploits women and children, it promotes human trafficking and a destructive lifestyle. I'm not suggesting prostitution only be outlawed if the customer is married. Prostitution is a business, just like illegal drug dealing is a business. I don't believe in legitimizing or legalizing that "business" either. The primary work of prostitution involves helping married men to cheat on their wives. That is not a legitimate business to be supporting or promoting. You talk about freedom of choice, but yet many prostitutes enter the "business" when they are children, and they are trafficked or coerced into it. How is that freedom of choice? The vast majority (90%+) do not like what they do, but don't know of any other way or are stuck in a system where they don't know how to escape. By making it illegal, they will be more inclined to seek other forms of employment, and human trafficking will be reduced. That has been proven in countries, such as Sweden, where prostitution used to be legal, but is now illegal. The number of prostitutes in that country are now half of what they were, and human trafficking to that country was reduced.

[Nicomis]

Prostitutes ARE complicit in facilitating adultery. That's just a fact. And I'm not advocating against prostitution only when it involves adultery. It is demeaning to women and children, it exploits women and children, it promotes human trafficking and a destructive lifestyle. I'm not suggesting prostitution only be outlawed if the customer is married. Prostitution is a business, just like illegal drug dealing is a business. I don't believe in legitimizing or legalizing that "business" either. The primary work of prostitution involves helping married men to cheat on their wives. That is not a legitimate business to be supporting or promoting. You talk about freedom of choice, but yet many prostitutes enter the "business" when they are children, and they are trafficked or coerced into it. How is that freedom of choice? The vast majority (90%+) do not like what they do, but don't know of any other way or are stuck in a system where they don't know how to escape. By making it illegal, they will be more inclined to seek other forms of employment, and human trafficking will be reduced. That has been proven in countries, such as Sweden, where prostitution used to be legal, but is now illegal. The number of prostitutes in that country are now half of what they were, and human trafficking to that country was reduced.

 

How in the blue Hell, is some dude going into a legal brothel, and giving some hooker $300 for a roll in the hay, demeaning to children, or anyone aside from the aforementioned hooker? Many people don't like working in fast food. Fast food jobs are demeaning to everyone that works them (fact). Fast food makes people fat, and ENABLES lard asses to get fatter. So by your logic FAST FOOD SHOULD BE ILLEGAL? How about we live in a free society, and people decide for themselves as long as they are of an age to do so. I don't need or want the government or people like you, deciding how I live my life, and most people don't.

[joystickd]

Prostitutes ARE complicit in facilitating adultery. That's just a fact. And I'm not advocating against prostitution only when it involves adultery. It is demeaning to women and children, it exploits women and children, it promotes human trafficking and a destructive lifestyle. I'm not suggesting prostitution only be outlawed if the customer is married. Prostitution is a business, just like illegal drug dealing is a business. I don't believe in legitimizing or legalizing that "business" either. The primary work of prostitution involves helping married men to cheat on their wives. That is not a legitimate business to be supporting or promoting. You talk about freedom of choice, but yet many prostitutes enter the "business" when they are children, and they are trafficked or coerced into it. How is that freedom of choice? The vast majority (90%+) do not like what they do, but don't know of any other way or are stuck in a system where they don't know how to escape. By making it illegal, they will be more inclined to seek other forms of employment, and human trafficking will be reduced. That has been proven in countries, such as Sweden, where prostitution used to be legal, but is now illegal. The number of prostitutes in that country are now half of what they were, and human trafficking to that country was reduced.

This thread is basically about why people think low of prostitutes and your crusade against infidelity has nothing to do with that. If someone wants to cheat they will prostitute or not. Your judgements of the profession of prostitution perpetuates the perception of prostitution and creates an environment where it is on some level permissible to some people to be violent or do harm to these women. Instead of getting on here and attacking the profession focus on ways to improve the profession or even focus on ways to create other options for these women. Also think about how to create an environment that would reduce the negative perception of them and allow them to transition into the regular workforce if they wanted to.

[Robert Z]

Prostitutes ARE complicit in facilitating adultery.

 

Just as McDonalds is complicit in facilitating childhood and adult obesity, coronary disease, and premature deasth, and liquor stores are complicit in facilitating alcoholism, broken families, and spousal and child abuse, and people who make mountain climbing gear and parachutes are complicit in facilitating people plunging to their deaths. Who else do you wish to hold responsible?

 

What is the difference?

 

That's just a fact. And I'm not advocating against prostitution only when it involves adultery. It is demeaning to women and children,

 

First of all, what does this have to do with children. No one is advocating making that legal? Why are you creating a false premise?

 

That is not a legitimate business to be supporting or promoting.

 

You are again creating a false premise. It isn't legitimate where it isn't legal. If grown women choose to engage in prostution legally, why is it your place to say they can't.

 

What gives you the right to control other people's lives?

 

You talk about freedom of choice, but yet many prostitutes enter the "business" when they are children, and they are trafficked or coerced into it.

 

Again, a false premise. By making adult, choice-driven prostition legal, you have less harmless activities to worry about so you can focus on the abusve side with law enforcement.

 

Hw is that freedom of choice? The vast majority (90%+) do not like what they do, but don't know of any other way or are stuck in a system where they don't know how to escape. By making it illegal, they will be more inclined to seek other forms of employment,

 

It is illegal. Don't you understand that you're arguing in circles. You are claiming that what we have now will stop the problems we have now. How is this logical? You complain about the abuse and then defend the very system that creates it.

 

 

trafficking will be reduced. That has been proven in countries, such as Sweden, where prostitution used to be legal, but is now illegal. The number of prostitutes in that country are now half of what they were, and human trafficking to that country was reduced.

 

How do you define human trafficking, women getting work in addition to the abusive stuff? Every one of the women that I've met who are doing this do so by choice. What you describe has nothing to do with anything I've seen. And I am quite sure that I have far more experience in this matter than you do.

Edited July 8, 2012 by Robert Z

[KathyM]

How in the blue Hell, is some dude going into a legal brothel, and giving some hooker $300 for a roll in the hay, demeaning to children, or anyone aside from the aforementioned hooker? Many people don't like working in fast food. Fast food jobs are demeaning to everyone that works them (fact). Fast food makes people fat, and ENABLES lard asses to get fatter. So by your logic FAST FOOD SHOULD BE ILLEGAL? How about we live in a free society, and people decide for themselves as long as they are of an age to do so. I don't need or want the government or people like you, deciding how I live my life, and most people don't.

It is demeaning to women and children because both women and children are used for prostitution. Many women start in the business as children. There's nothing demeaning about working in a fast food place. My son works in a fast food place while going to college. Eating a hamburger is not the equivalent of cheating on your wife. If you were a drug dealer, would I have no right to decide that you can't sell your harmful products in my country? Of course I have that right. People can decide what they do and do not want in their country.

[KathyM]

Actually, KATHYM was throwing that term around a lot, he was just countering her points (or lack thereof).

Actually, I'm not the one that brought the term "fornication" into the discussion. That would be 123321 who keeps wanting to use that term in this and other threads to try to widen and therefore diffuse the core issues of this discussion. I'm countering his points.

[A O]

Prostitutes ARE complicit in facilitating adultery. That's just a fact. And I'm not advocating against prostitution only when it involves adultery

Prostitutes help marriages and relationships too – that’s a fact. Yes, you’ll find somewhere that that the odd prostitute here and there has actually aided relationships. But how true is that of prostitution overall. Simple answer is it’s not very true. And same can be said for your fact. The proper context for both facts is that prostitution may harm (or aid) some relationships but prostitution overall has very little impact on relationships in general. That is proper context. To take things out of context, to try and apply either fact to prostitution overall, that is stretching the facts beyond their true worth and into the realms of pure fiction.

 

But your argument overall also relies on the notion that prostitutes somehow know the personal backgrounds of their clients because simply providing a service alone is not grounds for enabling harmful behavior. Because if it were, then most points of sale and service providers are enablers. Shops that sell cigarettes, junk food or alcohol, their service may lead to many potentially harmful consequences further down the line. By your logic – they are enablers. This place – Loveshack, they, therefore we are all enablers by simply providing a platform to discuss this topic and all of us for engaging in this discussion.

 

But the simple fact is that few sales and service providers are required to background check their customers beyond the ability of the customer to finance the transaction at hand. Prostitution is no different. You use of this argument on them and them alone is nothing more than a thinly veiled attack on an industry you despise. But that is all it is, an attack, an angle used to try and discredit an industry you take exception to. But it is an attack, an angle without merit.

 

It is demeaning to women and children, it exploits women and children, it promotes human trafficking and a destructive lifestyle.

All sorts of jobs can be demeaning to people in general. Cleaning for instance, many people look down on cleaners. That industry like many others – exploit their workers also. Matter of fact the cleaning industry dwarfs prostitution in numbers of workers and the levels of exploitation within it likewise. The caring industry – caring for the aged is another gigantic industry which has a history of exploiting (underpaying) their workers. It’s all so unfortunate but few give a damn about them. The most pertinent point being, however, is that most of those workers, like workers everywhere are stuck by their own hand, within the jobs and industries they’ve found themselves in.

 

As for human trafficking. Here’s my take on it. The more people immigrate the more those people want products and services from their homelands. One service in this case being prostitution, a service offered either by fair means or foul. My point being – immigration is the main driver behind trafficking I believe. And they’re there to service the recent arrivals as much as they are the locals.

 

You talk about freedom of choice, but yet many prostitutes enter the "business" when they are children, and they are trafficked or coerced into it

Freedom of choice is no guarantee against bad outcomes transpiring. Those who choose to try and immigrate to another land, many driven by a false pretext of some sort. They made a choice. It’s unfortunate that their choice led to poor outcomes for them but first and foremost, they made a choice. Of course there are some people taken against their will – that truly is a tragedy. But fortunately and in the bigger scheme of things, we are talking about an infinitesimal amount of people compared to the number of workers who have chosen to work in the industry at large.

 

All and all, those involved within this practise are overwhelmingly there of their own volition and this industry in general, has very little impact on the wider world at large.

[123321]

Fornication is a pejorative term, one you hurl around often.

 

As I said, it's a very precise term that says exactly what I want to say, if you or anyone else can suggest a more concise way to say "having sexual contact with one or more persons not ones spouse" I'd like to know what it is but my limited vocabulary led me to use the term "fornication" for that concept.

 

 

Actually, I'm not the one that brought the term "fornication" into the discussion. That would be 123321 who keeps wanting to use that term in this and other threads to try to widen and therefore diffuse the core issues of this discussion. I'm countering his points.

 

ROFL. You avoid addressing my points like they were the black plague, whereas I TRY to get you to commit to a logical argument but you squirm and twist like a worm to avoid it.

 

So again, true or false:

 

You are proposing that the proscription of prostitution is just because:

1. it is harmful to marriages and families
2. it is degrading to women and children
3. it promotes human trafficking and exploitation of women and children, and puts them at risk of abuse and violence.

 

Commit and I will discuss.

 

 

 

My arguments are simple:

• The acts themselves are legal
• It should be legal to sell anything one can legally give away
• A person has the right to control their own body

 

This is why I bring up fornication and more specifically adultery, since if, as you say, either of those are what you are concerned with then it makes sense to legislate against those precisely, a concept you continue to dodge like a poison dart.

 

If however fornication and adultery are to remain legal, it follows that outlawing prostitution on the grounds that it promotes either or both is illogical.

[123321]

Actually, KATHYM was throwing that term around a lot, he was just countering her points (or lack thereof).

 

We're dealing with folks whose thought processes are decidedly fuzzy, for instance Kathy thinks she lives "... in a country where prostitution is illegal ..." and Fred thinks fornication is a dirty word.

 

I used the term because it means precisely what I meant to say, something some other posters can't seem to do, and something they now actually complain about, which I find hilarious. They are actually complaining because I said exactly what I meant.

Edited July 9, 2012 by 123321

[123321]

If you're gonna advocate for the use of force (the state) you better make sure you have an iron clad reason.

 

People who want to have or keep prostitution criminalized generally fall into a few non-mutually exclusive categories:

 

• Hypocrites who would like to legally differentiate between amateur and professional fornication. They cling to the idea that getting paid is fine, and that having sex is fine, but getting paid for having sex is not fine.
• Those who would like to make laws to enforce their ideas of morality, but don't have the courage of their convictions to actually suggest such an unpopular view. Instead they select a socially vulnerable class (in this case prostitutes) and legislate against that. They will claim (perhaps correctly) that the exercise of various sexual freedoms is detrimental to various aspects of society, but they lack the will to even suggest those sort of actions actually be legislated against.
• Those who have never really thought about it.
• Some enjoy controlling others and forcing others to conform to their own ideas of proper behavior.
• Those who have a potentially legitimate claim that prostitution itself is damaging to the fabric of society. These are a tiny minority, I've not observed any here on this forum yet.

[aj22one]

People who want to have or keep prostitution criminalized generally fall into a few non-mutually exclusive categories:

 

• Hypocrites who would like to legally differentiate between amateur and professional fornication. They cling to the idea that getting paid is fine, and that having sex is fine, but getting paid for having sex is not fine.
  
• Those who would like to make laws to enforce their ideas of morality, but don't have the courage of their convictions to actually suggest such an unpopular view. Instead they select a socially vulnerable class (in this case prostitutes) and legislate against that. They will claim (perhaps correctly) that the exercise of various sexual freedoms is detrimental to various aspects of society, but they lack the will to even suggest those sort of actions actually be legislated against.
  
• Those who have never really thought about it.
  
• Some enjoy controlling others and forcing others to conform to their own ideas of proper behavior.
  
• Those who have a potentially legitimate claim that prostitution itself is damaging to the fabric of society. These are a tiny minority, I've not observed any here on this forum yet.
  

 

Same folks who would've 100 years ago argued for alcohol prohibition basically. And the same folks who wanna throw people in jail for doing drugs.

 

Of course this is the problem when governments have the authority to legislate things beyond murder and theft. People all kinds of ideas about enshrining their own biases into law.

[KathyM]

Prostitutes help marriages and relationships too – that’s a fact. Yes, you’ll find somewhere that that the odd prostitute here and there has actually aided relationships. But how true is that of prostitution overall. Simple answer is it’s not very true. And same can be said for your fact. The proper context for both facts is that prostitution may harm (or aid) some relationships but prostitution overall has very little impact on relationships in general. That is proper context. To take things out of context, to try and apply either fact to prostitution overall, that is stretching the facts beyond their true worth and into the realms of pure fiction.

 

But your argument overall also relies on the notion that prostitutes somehow know the personal backgrounds of their clients because simply providing a service alone is not grounds for enabling harmful behavior. Because if it were, then most points of sale and service providers are enablers. Shops that sell cigarettes, junk food or alcohol, their service may lead to many potentially harmful consequences further down the line. By your logic – they are enablers. This place – Loveshack, they, therefore we are all enablers by simply providing a platform to discuss this topic and all of us for engaging in this discussion.

 

But the simple fact is that few sales and service providers are required to background check their customers beyond the ability of the customer to finance the transaction at hand. Prostitution is no different. You use of this argument on them and them alone is nothing more than a thinly veiled attack on an industry you despise. But that is all it is, an attack, an angle used to try and discredit an industry you take exception to. But it is an attack, an angle without merit.

 

All sorts of jobs can be demeaning to people in general. Cleaning for instance, many people look down on cleaners. That industry like many others – exploit their workers also. Matter of fact the cleaning industry dwarfs prostitution in numbers of workers and the levels of exploitation within it likewise. The caring industry – caring for the aged is another gigantic industry which has a history of exploiting (underpaying) their workers. It’s all so unfortunate but few give a damn about them. The most pertinent point being, however, is that most of those workers, like workers everywhere are stuck by their own hand, within the jobs and industries they’ve found themselves in.

 

As for human trafficking. Here’s my take on it. The more people immigrate the more those people want products and services from their homelands. One service in this case being prostitution, a service offered either by fair means or foul. My point being – immigration is the main driver behind trafficking I believe. And they’re there to service the recent arrivals as much as they are the locals.

 

Freedom of choice is no guarantee against bad outcomes transpiring. Those who choose to try and immigrate to another land, many driven by a false pretext of some sort. They made a choice. It’s unfortunate that their choice led to poor outcomes for them but first and foremost, they made a choice. Of course there are some people taken against their will – that truly is a tragedy. But fortunately and in the bigger scheme of things, we are talking about an infinitesimal amount of people compared to the number of workers who have chosen to work in the industry at large.

 

All and all, those involved within this practise are overwhelmingly there of their own volition and this industry in general, has very little impact on the wider world at large.

No, seeking a prostitute has destroyed many a marriage and broken up many families, and for those families where the prostitution was not discovered, those marriages also suffer, because the intimacy that is needed in the marriage is being fulfilled outside of the marriage. It's harmful to marriages and families any way you look at it.

 

Prostitutes know that a good percentage of their customers are married. They don't need to do a background check to figure that out. The thing is, they don't care that the guy is married. You are implying that because there are other harmful things in the world, that focusing on this particular harmful thing has no validity. Well, since prostitution is the topic of this thread, that is why it is being focused on.

 

The cleaning industry is not destructive to others. It's a helpful service that does no harm to anyone. Granted the pay is not that good, but it is not destructive to others. Some cleaning women actually make a pretty good salary if they are independent contractors, but my point is they are doing a service that is not harmful to others.

 

Human trafficking increases when prostitution is legalized in order to keep up with the increased demand that legalization causes. That's a fact, supported by many studies done.

[KathyM]

As I said, it's a very precise term that says exactly what I want to say, if you or anyone else can suggest a more concise way to say "having sexual contact with one or more persons not ones spouse" I'd like to know what it is but my limited vocabulary led me to use the term "fornication" for that concept.

 

 

 

 

ROFL. You avoid addressing my points like they were the black plague, whereas I TRY to get you to commit to a logical argument but you squirm and twist like a worm to avoid it.

 

So again, true or false:

 

 

You are proposing that the proscription of prostitution is just because:

1. it is harmful to marriages and families
   
2. it is degrading to women and children
   
3. it promotes human trafficking and exploitation of women and children, and puts them at risk of abuse and violence.
   

Commit and I will discuss.

 

 

 

 

My arguments are simple:

• The acts themselves are legal
  
• It should be legal to sell anything one can legally give away
  
• A person has the right to control their own body
  

This is why I bring up fornication and more specifically adultery, since if, as you say, either of those are what you are concerned with then it makes sense to legislate against those precisely, a concept you continue to dodge like a poison dart.

 

If however fornication and adultery are to remain legal, it follows that outlawing prostitution on the grounds that it promotes either or both is illogical.

You're starting to bore me. I already answered your question. If that's all you've got, I'm done with you.

[123321]

So again, true or false:

 

You are proposing that the proscription of prostitution is just because:

1. it is harmful to marriages and families
2. it is degrading to women and children
3. it promotes human trafficking and exploitation of women and children, and puts them at risk of abuse and violence.

 

Commit and I will discuss.

 

I already answered your question.

 

 

Really? Because I looked and didn't see you respond true or false yet.

 

A simple true or false is all that's required, I just want you to exhibit the courage to commit to a simple set of discussion points. What's the problem?

[William]

Let's stipulate to the fact that some people think lowly of hookers due to aspects of their religious or spiritual belief systems.

 

Now, move on. No more religion in here. Thanks.

 

This does not preclude a civil thread about the various religious/spiritual viewpoints on prostitution being started in the appropriate forum.

 

I started one:

 

http://www.loveshack.org/forums/mind-body-soul/spirituality-religious-beliefs/334870-religious-spiritual-perspectives-regarding-prostitution

 

 

Any further religion/spiritual related postings/arguments in this thread will be moved and the member infracted. Carry on.

Edited July 9, 2012 by William

[pink_sugar]

My mom thinks I dress like one. If I wear anything less than a t-shirt and pants, it's NOT okay.

[betterdeal]

Of course, "pants" has a different meaning here.

[somedude81]

I'm getting really tired of the forced 'link' between prostitution and infidelity.

 

The men who cheat, will do it with whomever they can get to bend over. It can be his secretary, his wife's sister, his best friends girlfriend, a woman he met at a bar, somebody he met in church, an ex of his etc. Hookers are not the only way that men can cheat and there is no data to show that hookers are the primary way.

[KathyM]

I'm getting really tired of the forced 'link' between prostitution and infidelity.

 

The men who cheat, will do it with whomever they can get to bend over. It can be his secretary, his wife's sister, his best friends girlfriend, a woman he met at a bar, somebody he met in church, an ex of his etc. Hookers are not the only way that men can cheat and there is no data to show that hookers are the primary way.

I'm not forcing the link. There IS data and statistics that show the majority of customers of hookers are married men, hence the main part of their "occupation" involves helping married men to cheat on their wives. That's not a profession that deserves respect, validation, legalization, or support, IMO. Just because there are other ways men can cheat doesn't make this any less of a destructive profession than it is. I doubt there is data showing what percentage of infidelity involves hookers, but there is certainly data showing that most customers of hookers are married men. So that's why I think lowly of prostitution--it enables men to cheat on their wives. It's harmful to marriages and children, it exploits women and children, it puts them at risk of violence and abuse, it encourages human trafficking of women and children, and reduces them to pieces of meat to be bought and sold. So I'm done stating my position on this. If people think this is an industry that should be supported and encouraged, then I think that's unfortunate.

[joystickd]

I'm not forcing the link. There IS data and statistics that show the majority of customers of hookers are married men, hence the main part of their "occupation" involves helping married men to cheat on their wives. That's not a profession that deserves respect, validation, legalization, or support, IMO. Just because there are other ways men can cheat doesn't make this any less of a destructive profession than it is. I doubt there is data showing what percentage of infidelity involves hookers, but there is certainly data showing that most customers of hookers are married men. So that's why I think lowly of prostitution--it enables men to cheat on their wives. It's harmful to marriages and children, it exploits women and children, it puts them at risk of violence and abuse, it encourages human trafficking of women and children, and reduces them to pieces of meat to be bought and sold. So I'm done stating my position on this. If people think this is an industry that should be supported and encouraged, then I think that's unfortunate.

 

Just like there is data that says most human trafficking in US is for farming and not for prostitution.

[Mme. Chaucer]

Just like there is data that says most human trafficking in US is for farming and not for prostitution.

 

My friend, have you not understood that real data and proven facts have no place in this discussion?

[A O]

No, seeking a prostitute has destroyed many a marriage and broken up many families, and for those families where the prostitution was not discovered, those marriages also suffer, because the intimacy that is needed in the marriage is being fulfilled outside of the marriage. It's harmful to marriages and families any way you look at it.

And I can easily say the opposite – that prostitution has helped marriages and relationships. And why can I say that, because like your beliefs, there’s actually some truth in what I say. But, as most people know already – the overwhelming truth is that prostitution has little impact on relationships overall. The small truths you and I highlight are inconsequential next to the larger picture.

 

Prostitutes know that a good percentage of their customers are married. They don't need to do a background check to figure that out.

Prostitutes know as much about their customers as any service provider. Pont is moot.

 

The thing is, they don't care that the guy is married. You are implying that because there are other harmful things in the world, that focusing on this particular harmful thing has no validity. Well, since prostitution is the topic of this thread, that is why it is being focused on.

Most service providers and sales points aren’t interested in the personal lives of their customers. If you have an issue with that – with the lack of caring they all have towards their customer welfare - then you must also have an issue with almost every other service provider and sales point in operation. But so far you have not shown any inclination to spread your stance any further a field than this one industry. Thus, your argument is not really about caring for the family unit (because so many other industries that you simply ignore can be harmful to families also), your argument is simply a vehicle that you choose to use to attack an industry that you dislike with.

 

The cleaning industry is not destructive to others. It's a helpful service that does no harm to anyone.

Many cleaners are looked down upon. Cleaning can be a demeaning job. That’ the point. It is one of many jobs where people often look down on those employed within them. Prostitution does not have a monopoly on demeaning employment. And I say again, the cleaning industry alone absolutely dwarfs the prostitution industry and it’s oft mentioned near neighbor – porn.

 

Human trafficking increases when prostitution is legalized in order to keep up with the increased demand that legalization causes. That's a fact, supported by many studies done.

My country’s record blows your view right out of the water. No prostitution trafficking cases reported so far in the six odd years prostitution has been legalized. Nonetheless, I believe that trafficking, of all types, increases with immigration whereupon some of these recent arrivals see business opportunities through offering goods or services (most legal, some illegal all sourced from their homelands) to their newly arrived community. My country alone has had a huge influx of Asians within the last two decades. They make up 10% , more or less, of our population already. Now, the overwhelming majority of all this is good, but you’re always going to get your bad elements, namely drugs, organized gangs, gambling and while it has yet to be reported – I’m sure trafficking has reared its ugly head already. But the latter, the trafficking, no matter how heinous that is, is obviously insignificant in size relative to prostitution in general and certainly relative to the other crimes mentioned given that those other crimes have been numerous and thus received a lot of attention here in recent years. Points being, immigration is a major driver of trafficking in my view and trafficking overall makes up only a small proportion of those involved within the industry.