Pity sex

March 31, 2012

Maybe you guys who want pity sex should go find a woman who can't find anyone who wants to have sex with her, and offer to help her out.

Win / win, right?

March 31, 2012

Maybe you guys who want pity sex should go find a woman who can't find anyone who wants to have sex with her, and offer to help her out.

Win / win, right?

WHERE IS SHE?

I think I know where to look, but unfortunately I don't fit in the train tunnel that leads to the Land Of Make Believe.

March 31, 2012

Women want a man who turns her on. That can be different for each woman.

I've always swooned for the protective type. That doesn't necessarily mean tall and muscled. Tall and muscled guys are useless if they don't care enough to look out for me or stand up for me. The men who have done that for me all looked very different, but the effect is the same: instant crush.

Ehh, maybe you're older and looking for other things, but women my age would rather be with a tall muscular pussy than a more macho, protective shorter athletic/more slender guy. I predict you're going to say "all women are different", I'm not going to get into an argument about this with you since my eyes and ears defy everything anonymous women type on the internet.

March 31, 2012

What is called "pity sex" in this thread would be an act consisting of a woman performing a sex act for a male acquaintance with some motivation other than her pure desire or one of the other many motivations for having sex discussed in this thread. As such, her motivations and choices are at issue, and the question, "If she will do it for this reason, why do none profess to do it for this other reason? why is the concept so repulsive?" is a fair question.

Whether and to what extent men expect sex, feel entitled to it, etc., is completely irrelevant, always has been, yet you have been banging this gong the entire thread instead of addressing the simply framed question above head on. It's not that difficult a question. Why the constant subterfuge from you?

I don't mean to question the obvious superiority of a Man such as yourself, dasein, but I just have to ask:

Why is it that you consistently need to tell the LoveShack membership what a thread means, what is relevant to it, what an appropriate response or contribution to it would be, etc?

Even though we are all possibly very stupid compared with you, I imagine that we are capable of understanding most of the threads here without your help. Even if I'm wrong about this, it would be a good mental exercise for the more challenged among us to at least try without your (excuse me for saying this) possibly enabling … mentorship.

If you think that posters' comments are "irrelevant" to the point of being off topic, why don't you report them and let the moderator(s) do their job?

That would free you up for more crucial duties, I'd imagine.

March 31, 2012

WHERE IS SHE?

I think I know where to look, but unfortunately I don't fit in the train tunnel that leads to the Land Of Make Believe.

I don't think you want to go there anyway. Either she'll reject you and you'll feel even worse. Or she'll think you're signing up for marriage.

You probably want to go with what Dust advised you. No bottom fishing.

I also think you should think twice about calling people names on LS. If you don't agree, then don't agree. Throwing around insults is just going to get you banned.

March 31, 2012

What is called "pity sex" in this thread would be an act consisting of a woman performing a sex act for a male acquaintance with some motivation other than her pure desire or one of the other many motivations for having sex discussed in this thread. As such, her motivations and choices are at issue, and the question, "If she will do it for this reason, why do none profess to do it for this other reason? why is the concept so repulsive?" is a fair question.

Whether and to what extent men expect sex, feel entitled to it, etc., is completely irrelevant, always has been,
It's not completely irrelevant to your response of "Men generally want sex as an end in itself, and always have. The act of persuading or seducing, being nice to a woman, is not an exchange". It's not completely irrelevant as it was a response to that.

yet you have been banging this gong the entire thread instead of addressing the simply framed question above head on.
Seems like you've done words you commonly use "dishonest" & "distort".

I did address the simply framed question in my first response.

Different opinions on what pity sex means.

Pity sex generally means having sex with a person because you feel bad for them. The expansion often being you find the person pathetic and they can't get laid any other way thus you feel sorry and will grin it & bear it.

Quite unsure of how common it is in general.

I think it would be quite common as to me many guys often have an entitlement attitude towards sex and think women are holes to be used for their pleasure rather than human beings. Many of which said guys tend to be self proclaimed nice/decent/good guys who think by being a decent human being the woman they want should dole him out sex. The mindset is her attraction/desire for him is irrelevant as he was a good human so she needs to put out.

It's not quite uncommon in my experiences/observations as I've known a few gals deemed unattractive by most guys who've done pity sex.

It's not that difficult a question. Why the constant subterfuge from you?
Perhaps you should try reading comprehension.

Especially as what you quoted was in response to you to your claim

Men generally want sex as an end in itself, and always have. The act of persuading or seducing, being nice to a woman, is not an exchange.

Many men do use it as such.
I did this & that you should have sex with me.
I'm a nice guy you should have sex with me.
I've been nice to you all this time you can't jet let me get my rocks off.

March 31, 2012

I don't think you want to go there anyway. Either she'll reject you and you'll feel even worse. Or she'll think you're signing up for marriage.

You probably want to go with what Dust advised you. No bottom fishing.

I also think you should think twice about calling people names on LS. If you don't agree, then don't agree. Throwing around insults is just going to get you banned.

I'm doing my own thing. I'll be done with school hopefully by the summer, look for a job that actually pays a living wage, look into getting a new bench and weights when I free up 3-4 hundred bucks, I'm sure that if everything goes as planned I'll be attractive to women in maybe 1-2 years .

Question is, will I want them? Sexually yes. Emotionally and romantically? No. If at some point between now and my results a woman accepts my offers of love, friendship, and companionship (and I am trying, i've been hitting on everyone I see even if sometimes it can be embarrassing), my hope in them will be renewed. But after this grace period, i'm going to **** over as many bitches as possible and get back at women not just for me, but for all the guys on loveshack too!

March 31, 2012

I'm doing my own thing. I'll be done with school hopefully by the summer, look for a job that actually pays a living wage, look into getting a new bench and weights when I free up 3-4 hundred bucks, I'm sure that if everything goes as planned I'll be attractive to women in maybe 1-2 years .

This will most likely do wonders.

Question is, will I want them? Sexually yes. Emotionally and romantically? No. If at some point between now and my results a woman accepts my offers of love, friendship, and companionship (and I am trying, i've been hitting on everyone I see even if sometimes it can be embarrassing), my hope in them will be renewed.

Do you hit on everyone or everyone you find attractive?

There's women that will accept you offer of love, friendship, and companionship however you may not find them attractive enough to engage.

But after this grace period, i'm going to **** over as many bitches as possible and get back at women not just for me, but for all the guys on loveshack too!

So you're going to get back at women for finding you unattractive or not being attracted to you for sex?

Seems the revenge thing is quite common to my experiences/observations. A ugly gal I know who "grew into her looks" recently is doing the same only using sex as a weapon by denying it and bleeding guys dry financially.

March 31, 2012

Hey udolipixie, you say men should not feel entitled to sex, do you feel entitled to commitment? Most women do, and when men don't deliver it devestates them. Why do they feel so entitled? There's no law or human rights group that says males can't lie to a woman about wanting a relationship just to screw her. As long as "racism" isn't involved, and nobody cuts any trees down, it's wrong to expect commitment just because you're a good, loyal woman with a big heart.

March 31, 2012

Ehh, maybe you're older and looking for other things, but women my age would rather be with a tall muscular pussy than a more macho, protective shorter athletic/more slender guy. I predict you're going to say "all women are different", I'm not going to get into an argument about this with you since my eyes and ears defy everything anonymous women type on the internet.

Yes, I'm old, lol, but that's been the key to my attraction since I was a teen.

Interesting that you don't want to get into an argument when a woman has a good point

Still, I am sure there are other women like me, looking for a man who cares enough for her and is courageous enough to stand up for her--even against the "bros". It would be a shame if you screwed over a girl like that, missing a chance at the real thing.

March 31, 2012

Hey udolipixie, you say men should not feel entitled to sex, do you feel entitled to commitment?

Nope.

Especially as I'm not interested in it.

Most women do, and when men don't deliver it devestates them. Why do they feel so entitled?

Human beings often feel entitled to want they want.

There's no law or human rights group that says males can't lie to a woman about wanting a relationship just to screw her. As long as "racism" isn't involved, and nobody cuts any trees down, it's wrong to expect commitment just because you're a good, loyal woman with a big heart.

This is pretty amusing if you were trying to turnaround for some emotive rant.

March 31, 2012

This will most likely do wonders.[/Quote]

Indeed. The funny thing is, I have a good body now, with great definition and I'm pretty strong (I put up 200 on the bench yet I weigh 154). But women don't like that unless you're tall. If you are even 1 inch under average height you have to have the exaggerated stocky pitbull look to get any women to find you attractive.

Do you hit on everyone or everyone you find attractive?[/Quote]

Yes I do. If I'm going to put myself out there, it's got to be worthwhile. I go for women who I feel are in my league, not super hot and not fat and ugly either. They don't seem to agree that I'm in their league .

There's women that will accept you offer of love, friendship, and companionship however you may not find them attractive enough to engage.[/Quote]

Well I've been talking to more women lately, socially, with this mindset. And you're wrong. The fugly and stupid want the same small pool of men as the sexy and smart. I refuse to hit on women who are very unattractive because despite having a thick skin, I think that if even they thought they were too good for me it would cause irrepairable damage to my self-esteem.

March 31, 2012

If at some point between now and my results a woman accepts my offers of love, friendship, and companionship (and I am trying, i've been hitting on everyone I see even if sometimes it can be embarrassing), my hope in them will be renewed. But after this grace period, i'm going to **** over as many bitches as possible and get back at women not just for me, but for all the guys on loveshack too!

I think you should try to be truly kind and seek a more spiritual way of life, even after your grace period.

March 31, 2012

Indeed. The funny thing is, I have a good body now, with great definition and I'm pretty strong (I put up 200 on the bench yet I weigh 154). But women don't like that unless you're tall.

For the funny thing could be what you think isn't what they think.

Many don't like it unless you're tall. Many do.

Perhaps you're focusing on the many that don't like it.

If you are even 1 inch under average height you have to have the exaggerated stocky pitbull look to get any women to find you attractive.

Different experiences.

Most of the gals I met & know don't like short and stocky.

Yes I do. If I'm going to put myself out there, it's got to be worthwhile. I go for women who I feel are in my league, not super hot and not fat and ugly either. They don't seem to agree that I'm in their league .

Leagues tend to be subjective.

Their existence may also be conditional going by the many guys who rate women into leagues but when pursuing women there aren't any leagues and a gal they deem hot is vain/shallow for rejecting him.

Well I've been talking to more women lately, socially, with this mindset. And you're wrong.

Different experiences.

Plenty of guys I met & know have met gals who will give them what they want but the gals weren't what they wanted (attraction wise).

They didn't get with the gals they just started working out and grooming themselves as I initially told them would fix their "agony". It did.

They got all bitter and whiny about how shallow gals are they didn't want to have sex with him when he was unattractive to them but now they want to have sex with him because he's attractive.

The fugly and stupid want the same small pool of men as the sexy and smart.

I highly doubt all.

As well as what they want may not be what they get. I know plenty of ugly guys that want a hot gal just like many average/attractive guys but few of them have gotten one.

I refuse to hit on women who are very unattractive because despite having a thick skin, I think that if even they thought they were too good for me it would cause irrepairable damage to my self-esteem.

Perhaps it's best suited not to based your self-esteem on acceptance/rejection from women reciprocating your interest/attraction.

March 31, 2012

AIDsFan1488, for the record, I understand how you feel about things. I'd like to see things change for the better for you.

I get the impression you are pretty isolated. I think attitudes like yours are what develops when you don't have people around to interact with. You'll see how you affect them and/or they will correct you.

Your anger has to go away. Without victims. You'll never get anywhere otherwise. You could easily go backwards.

I remember Shannon thought you were ok. Why didn't you connect with her? You could just be yourself with someone like her, drop the Jr. Hitler act, and make a real connection. She would never give you pity sex, but she would give you some needed interactions with a woman. That's what every guy needs. And if you can get that far, the next step to something real starts to look completely possible. With her or with someone else.

People are responding to you negatively around here, because you provoke them with ridiculous and insulting statements. You are choosing to have bad interactions that aren't doing anyone any good. If nothing else they just reinforce or prolong your bad attitude. Dust reached out to you and offered you something positive. Others would, too.

I'm not sure getting muscled up is a prerequisite to finding some bitches to take advantage of. And maybe you should look for real connections that can lead to better connections instead of opportunities to use people and add to the bad in the world. Stop making excuses for your bad behavior.

March 31, 2012

I think you should try to be truly kind and seek a more spiritual way of life, even after your grace period.

I am truly kind, definitely spiritual, and have always tried my best to be the perfect man. To be proud, strong, confident, brave, selfless, defiant towards injustice, all the things I would admire in a man if I was a woman. Yet what do I see? Guys who wear sunglasses at 1 AM indoors in fedora hats and tshirts 3 sizes too small are having no strings attached sex with women while I can't even get girls who have seen me at my best to have a loving, mutually satisfying relationship.

I'm caving and am going to play the game by the rules, but if I win I'm going to do a really nasty victory dance. It's going to be a mixture of vulgar pelvic thrusts and shooting an AK47 into the air.

March 31, 2012

OK, way too off-topic now.

AIDsFan1488 feel free to make your own thread.

Please do not continue that discussion here. That applies to everybody participating.

Edited March 31, 2012 by somedude81

March 31, 2012

I am truly kind, definitely spiritual, and have always tried my best to be the perfect man.

How are we supposed to believe that when we see how you behave around here? Does a truly kind guy call women cunts and bitches when they have a disagreement? That seems petulant and self-indulgent. It shows a lack of self-control and maybe an anger management problem. Are you truly kind with the exception that you fly off the handle and get abusive when things aren't going your way?

Is muscle building the only kind of self-improvement you think you need? Because I think people here can probably offer you some other areas you should look into.

March 31, 2012

OK, way too off-topic now.

AIDsFan1488 feel free to make your own thread.

Please do not continue that discussion here. That applies to everybody participating.

I agree....

March 31, 2012

I am truly kind, definitely spiritual, and have always tried my best to be the perfect man. To be proud, strong, confident, brave, selfless, defiant towards injustice, all the things I would admire in a man if I was a woman. Yet what do I see? Guys who wear sunglasses at 1 AM indoors in fedora hats and tshirts 3 sizes too small are having no strings attached sex with women while I can't even get girls who have seen me at my best to have a loving, mutually satisfying relationship.

I'm caving and am going to play the game by the rules, but if I win I'm going to do a really nasty victory dance. It's going to be a mixture of vulgar pelvic thrusts and shooting an AK47 into the air.

You are intense and you look like a troublemaker. I'm pretty sure, if you were hanging out with your girlfriend and your friends, you wouldn't be able to keep your mouth shut if you didn't agree with someone. You always have to argue, debate, discuss, provoke. I know people like you. They seem to be unwilling to accept someone's sensitivities and hold back. And spreading crazy conspiracy theories and racist propaganda is not going to help much either.

March 31, 2012

Yes, it is my opinion--men are not respecting women and not respecting themselves if they resort to prostitutes. Do you think it's showing respect for women to buy and sell them like cattle? Do you think it's respectful to treat them like a piece of meat to be chewed up and spit out along with hundreds of other guys? If that truly is your opinion, then I'd say you are just rationalizing. That's not showing compassion or empathy for the women you are using. That's contributing to a destructive lifestyle.

See? You're still talking as though your view/opinion is fact. It isn't. You're mislabeling.

I could just as easily describe someone who leaves their kids at daycare, as abandoning their kids and leaving them with complete strangers, just to make it sound bad.

March 31, 2012

How are we supposed to believe that when we see how you behave around here? Does a truly kind guy call women cunts and bitches when they have a disagreement? That seems petulant and self-indulgent. It shows a lack of self-control and maybe an anger management problem. Are you truly kind with the exception that you fly off the handle and get abusive when things aren't going your way?

Is muscle building the only kind of self-improvement you think you need? Because I think people here can probably offer you some other areas you should look into.

I'll admit I have instances where I can be a jerk. Every time I've done something hurtful to people around me, I make up for it by doing something loving to the point where it borders on insane. I'm not just mindlessly self-indulgent.

All I can say is I've been on both sides of the fence, at one point I had more "HOT" women than I knew what to do with and now I can't even get average looking girls who are just like me but can't overlook banal physical "preferences". And trust me, years ago I had a far worse problem controlling my temper, it was almost like this actually turned women on as long as the guy doing it has a huge chest and shoulders. The difference? 15 pounds of muscle. No joke. And when you see just how petty, shallow and idiotic woman's criteria for a man is, you have to be a fool not to have a bitter taste in your mouth.

March 31, 2012

I'll admit I have instances where I can be a jerk. Every time I've done something hurtful to people around me, I make up for it by doing something loving to the point where it borders on insane. I'm not just mindlessly self-indulgent.

I'm going to be straight with you. In my opinion "jerk" is an understatement. You've said some extremely vile things to people here, without apology. And what you describe is what wife beaters do: fly off the handle and then turn around and be really sweet. You don't make up for being abusive. Either you abuse people or you don't, and anything else you do is beside the point.

If you want respect, then be respectable. Here and everywhere else. And then maybe your life really will change for the better.

March 31, 2012

You are intense and you look like a troublemaker. I'm pretty sure, if you were hanging out with your girlfriend and your friends, you wouldn't be able to keep your mouth shut if you didn't agree with someone. You always have to argue, debate, discuss, provoke. I know people like you. They seem to be unwilling to accept someone's sensitivities and hold back. And spreading crazy conspiracy theories and racist propaganda is not going to help much either.

So what do women want then, apathetic sissies that stick their own dick up their ass because certain people walk around waiting to get offended? That's the doormat women are always complaining about, and even if that was what women wanted I'm not going to be that.

Regardless of anything, my political views have nothing to do with anything. There are some opinionated women out there, but by and large most women just cheerlead whatever views their boyfriend has.

All of this is irrelevant. If you hear me talk about something that offends you by the 3rd date, fine, I respect you not liking me. But I don't ever have to deal with that issue, since women don't even let me get a foot in the door. Yet when I was much more of a "troublemaker" who was "HOT" they were kicking my door down!

March 31, 2012

Yet when I was much more of a "troublemaker" who was "HOT" they were kicking my door down!

Didn't you also state you had 15 pounds of muscle back then?

All I can say is I've been on both sides of the fence, at one point I had more "HOT" women than I knew what to do with and now I can't even get average looking girls who are just like me but can't overlook banal physical "preferences". And trust me, years ago I had a far worse problem controlling my temper, it was almost like this actually turned women on as long as the guy doing it has a huge chest and shoulders. The difference?15 pounds of muscle. No joke. And when you see just how petty, shallow and idiotic woman's criteria for a man is, you have to be a fool not to have a bitter taste in your mouth.

I think this applies here:

Plenty of guys I met & know have met gals who will give them what they want but the gals weren't what they wanted (attraction wise).

They didn't get with the gals they just started working out and grooming themselves as I initially told them would fix their "agony". It did.
They got all bitter and whiny about how shallow gals are they didn't want to have sex with him when he was unattractive to them but now they want to have sex with him because he's attractive.

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