Was called a mean bitch the other day just because I have high standards.

[allina]

I would have laughed and said "I'll take bitch over settling for you any day" while getting up and leaving.

[Disenchantedly Yours]

And you base this on what? Your own personal experience? If yes, how do you generalise it? Or you base it on the Bible? Or on research? What is your basis for this claim?

 

It is based on the Bible. But it's been my own personal experience with the men and women I know in my life. I also see the fundementals of what men and women struggle with repeated in conversations with other people, on this very board, and pretty much all over. I understand that you don't agree, and that's perfectly fine. Should I ask you for your research when you said you thought the opposite was true?

[Disenchantedly Yours]

Interesting interpretation of the Adam and Eve story. A more common one is that Eve was a dumb and greedy broad who, despite already having just about everything, wanted the one thing she wasn't allowed to have. In the end, she got kicked out of paradise because of a stupid apple.

 

If you believe in the Adam and Eve story, you must agree that women are inherently irrational and dumb .

 

That's the more irrational and illogical conclusion I ever heard.

 

Both Adam and Eve sinned. Everyone sins. Sin alone does not make you irrational or dumb. People make mistakes. Eve's sin was having untrusting behavior toward God. Adam's sin was his complacency. Adam was standing right next to Eve when she took the fruit. And he did nothing. Neither Adam or Eve are stupid. But they did sin. But your bitter anger toward Eve alone speaks of something bitter and sad in your own heart FeelsGoodMan. It's very telling about your attitude toward women in general. Which I already had an impression of due to other conversations.

[OnyxSnowfall]

If you believe in the Adam and Eve story, you must agree that women are inherently irrational and dumb .

 

Not just women... look at how Adam handled it!

[OnyxSnowfall]

Neither Adam or Eve are stupid. But they did sin.

 

If this story is indeed true and meant to be taken literally based on the most recent "accurately" acknowledged translation available...

 

They *were* perhaps the two stupidest humans to have ever been created. Let's not sugar-coat it...

 

And yes, everyone sins... but sinning is not smart, nor logical, nor rational, nor "intelligent"... it is, essentially... stupid... and foul... and wicked... among others things --- (presuming one believes in the Christian God).

 

Even if God forgives those who seek His forgiveness, He does not condone sinning. I highly doubt, if He is a God with an opinionated conscious (that is extremely debatable by the way) that He would defend Adam and Eve's behavior and not claim it wasn't stupid (again we are presuming this story is true and to be taken completely literally).

 

I think, traditionally (old testament), God was particularly in awe of humanity's stupidity. It's all over old testament ...

 

"AND THEY SHALL BE PUT TO DEATH... FOR THEIR STUPIDITY" Leviticus 20:10/13

 

"AND YOU SHALL STONE THEM... FOR THEIR STUPIDITY" Deuteronomy 17:2-5

 

Why do the people not listen? Why the debaucheries? The violence? The idols? The sodomy? The evil? Why are these creatures... stupid?

 

and so on, and so forth.

 

We all "sin", but then, we're all stupid when we do

 

Jesus came, because God was confounded with the stupidity.

Edited October 6, 2011 by OnyxSnowfall

[denise_xo]

It is based on the Bible. But it's been my own personal experience with the men and women I know in my life. I also see the fundementals of what men and women struggle with repeated in conversations with other people, on this very board, and pretty much all over. I understand that you don't agree, and that's perfectly fine. Should I ask you for your research when you said you thought the opposite was true?

 

The difference between your statement and mine was that you were making a claim on behalf of all humanity. I didn't say the opposite was true in the sense that I think the opposite applies to all humanity, I was simply questioning and seeking to nuance your claim.

 

Now that I know you made your statement based on the Bible, it in any case renders it irrelevant for me.

[Disenchantedly Yours]

They *were* perhaps the two stupidest humans to have ever been created. Let's not sugar-coat it...

 

And yes, everyone sins... but sinning is not smart, nor logical, nor rational, nor "intelligent"... it is, essentially... stupid... and foul... and wicked... among others things --- (presuming one believes in the Christian God)

 

By saying that "they were perhaps the two stupides humans to have ever been created" is in essence to say that what God created was stupid. Or that God himself is stupid. Everything God created was "good". Not evil, foul or wicked. When he created Adam, it was good. And when he realized something was missing and created Eve, it was still good. Adam and Eve were Good. Naturally, until they both sinned. Sinning and intelligence are not mutually exclusive. If they were, only dumb people would sin and smart people wouldn't. But both smart and dumb people sin everyday. Neither does every sin make someone spin out of control in irrationality.

 

Even if God forgives those who seek His forgiveness, He does not condone sinning. I highly doubt, if He is a God with an opinionated conscious (that is extremely debatable by the way) that He would defend Adam and Eve's behavior and not claim it wasn't stupid (again we are presuming this story is true and to be taken completely literally).

 

I have no clue what you mean by "opinionated conscious" but I do know this. God would never defend Adam and Eve's behavior. He will however protect his people from their sin for those, like you illustrated, seek his forgiveness. He doesn't condone or defend sin. That is a bit of a silly assumption to make about God. He however does forgive sin because of that whole little thing thing with Jesus and the cross....dying for our sins..blah blah blah.

 

 

I think, traditionally (old testament), God was particularly in awe of humanity's stupidity. It's all over old testament ...

 

"AND THEY SHALL BE PUT TO DEATH... FOR THEIR STUPIDITY" Leviticus 20:10/13

 

"AND YOU SHALL STONE THEM... FOR THEIR STUPIDITY" Deuteronomy 17:2-5

 

How could God be in "awe" of human stupidity? Aware of it yes. Aware of human sin as well, again yes. However to say God was in "awe" of it seems to go against the idea of what it means to be God. The old testament is clearly known for God being more wrathful. The new testament is another story about God's relationship with people that speaks of forgiveness.

 

 

We all "sin", but then we're all stupid when we do

 

They aren't mutually exclusive in my opinion. Sinning is evil. Not neccisarily "smart or dumb". It was Eve's desire for more "knowledge" that caused her to sin to begin with. Desire was her downfall. Not stupidity. And she did gain the knowledge, but she wasn't better off for it. There is a Bible qoute about how knowledge of the world isn't what it's cracked up to be. I will have to see if I can find it.

[Disenchantedly Yours]

The difference between your statement and mine was that you were making a claim on behalf of all humanity. I didn't say the opposite was true in the sense that I think the opposite applies to all humanity, I was simply questioning and seeking to nuance your claim.

 

Now that I know you made your statement based on the Bible, it in any case renders it irrelevant for me.

 

I made my statement based on an accumlation of my faith and what I see played out between men and women repeatidly in my presonal experiences, as I already told you when you first asked. Funny that you left the rest of that out.

 

The difference between my statement and yours is that I was expressing an honest life experience that also reflected the teaches I believe in and you just inversed my own findings to prove nothing except the fact you disagree. If my life experiences didn't so transparently point to the truth I see through the Bible, then I obviously would believe in something else. But this is mearly my own life experience. Take from it what you want or don't. It makes no different to me if you consider it irrevelant.

[OnyxSnowfall]

is in essence to say that what God created was stupid. Or that God himself is stupid. Everything God created was "good". Not evil, foul or wicked.

 

God states he created everything --- good AND evil.

 

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

 

Proverbs 16:4

The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

 

-------------

 

Also, within Christianity,

 

I am claiming that God is too awesome to be able to relate to humans --- OF course we are inferior to Him. In the earlier days, people sacrificed things to God to quell His wrath and disappointments etc... in the end, I think he threw up his arms (not literally mind you) and accepted that humans are just sad, pitiful dumb creatures.

 

But only blood (for whatever reasons, I doubt we humans could fathom it) could truly mend His predicament --- hence, Jesus. Yes, Jesus "sacrificed" himself ... "the blood of the lamb"... because humans are too stupid to stop themselves from becoming wayward... from being enticed by this and that and this and that, by taking God and life for granted, by being greedy, by disobeying Him, by being faithless --- and even despite the times God was present and seeing people through arduous times, etc etc etc etc etc.

 

To me, it is stupid to go against God. It is stupid to allow desire to overcome you. Inevitable? It seems to be the case... while it can be minimized... humans do seem to be "designed" to "sin".

 

Apparently we simply have different definitions of stupidity. I don't mind admitting I'm stupid (especially at times, and especially relatively speaking... when compared to a far more potent and enlightened Being than myself. Humans are... mostly animals )

Edited October 6, 2011 by OnyxSnowfall

[denise_xo]

I made my statement based on an accumlation of my faith and what I see played out between men and women repeatidly in my presonal experiences, as I already told you when you first asked. Funny that you left the rest of that out.

 

The difference between my statement and yours is that I was expressing an honest life experience that also reflected the teaches I believe in and you just inversed my own findings to prove nothing except the fact you disagree. If my life experiences didn't so transparently point to the truth I see through the Bible, then I obviously would believe in something else. But this is mearly my own life experience. Take from it what you want or don't. It makes no different to me if you consider it irrevelant.

 

No my point is rather that I repeatedly see, especially here on LS, people generalise to ALL men and ALL women based on their personal life experience, which I find to be a very flawed premise. I don't disagree that some people experience life as you see it. But I object to being generalised and defined by other people's life experiences along the lines of 'I have met so many women who are cheaters so therefore the vast majority of them are cheaters and liars', or 'all women struggle with issues of control and think they know best'. I don't see what I 'left out' here. The point is exactly that it was based on your personal experience, and you generalise that claim to an extent which I think is completely unreasonable when you use language such as "In general, men struggle with... women struggle with..." or "if you get to the fundamentals, you see that all stories lead back to that one".

Edited October 6, 2011 by denise_xo
typo

[ThsAmericanLife]

No my point is rather that I repeatedly see, especially here on LS, people generalise to ALL men and ALL women based on their personal life experience, which I find to be a very flawed premise. I don't disagree that some people experience life as you see it. But I object to being generalised and defined by other people's life experiences along the lines of 'I have met so many women who are cheaters so therefore the vast majority of them are cheaters and liars', or 'all women struggle with issues of control and think they know best'. I don't see what I 'left out' here. The point is exactly that it was based on your personal experience, and you generalise that claim to an extent which I think is completely reasonable when you use language such as "In general, men struggle with... women struggle with..." or "if you get to the fundamentals, you see that all stories lead back to that one".

 

I second this...

 

That is my objection as well... the generalizations... tied with the religious dogma.

[mesmerized]

It is based on the Bible. But it's been my own personal experience with the men and women I know in my life. I also see the fundementals of what men and women struggle with repeated in conversations with other people, on this very board, and pretty much all over. I understand that you don't agree, and that's perfectly fine. Should I ask you for your research when you said you thought the opposite was true?

 

Men and women BOTH struggle with trust and control issues. How is this all of a sudden a gender issue??!! doesn't make any sense, tbh.

[Woggle]

Men and women BOTH struggle with trust and control issues. How is this all of a sudden a gender issue??!! doesn't make any sense, tbh.

 

I agree. Man or women for the most part it's the same thing.

[mr.dream merchant]

Lol, what's the issue here? Dude was spot on with his accusations.

[LynnieBear]

If this story is indeed true and meant to be taken literally based on the most recent "accurately" acknowledged translation available...

 

They *were* perhaps the two stupidest humans to have ever been created. Let's not sugar-coat it...

 

And yes, everyone sins... but sinning is not smart, nor logical, nor rational, nor "intelligent"... it is, essentially... stupid... and foul... and wicked... among others things --- (presuming one believes in the Christian God).

 

Even if God forgives those who seek His forgiveness, He does not condone sinning. I highly doubt, if He is a God with an opinionated conscious (that is extremely debatable by the way) that He would defend Adam and Eve's behavior and not claim it wasn't stupid (again we are presuming this story is true and to be taken completely literally).

 

I think, traditionally (old testament), God was particularly in awe of humanity's stupidity. It's all over old testament ...

 

"AND THEY SHALL BE PUT TO DEATH... FOR THEIR STUPIDITY" Leviticus 20:10/13

 

"AND YOU SHALL STONE THEM... FOR THEIR STUPIDITY" Deuteronomy 17:2-5

 

Why do the people not listen? Why the debaucheries? The violence? The idols? The sodomy? The evil? Why are these creatures... stupid?

 

and so on, and so forth.

 

We all "sin", but then, we're all stupid when we do

 

Jesus came, because God was confounded with the stupidity.

 

If Adam and Eve were so stupid, we're all descended for them, so what does that say about you?

[Woggle]

If anybody descended from Adam and Eve does that mean we are all committing incest?

[LynnieBear]

If Adam and Eve were so stupid, we're all descended for them, so what does that say about you?

 

we're all descended From* them

[FrustratedStandards]

here is an idea, take care of yourself? or is that too hard? because any man that knows you think they are only worth anything because of their money would run like the wind from you.

 

How do you think i've been making a living?

 

then why not simply swear off men? or become a lesbian?

 

Oh god. Women are worse.

 

How can you offer a man love and care when you have never loved or cared about any man according to your posts.

 

Here's a novel thought: Get a reaaalllly good education, make your own money, and not use anyone but yourself.

 

People don't get it. They call me a gold digger when I've accomplished everything on my own. I do everything myself. I'm sick of it.

 

I applaud the lady that posted this because at least she is honest and direct about something she knows she wants. Men and women hate to be honest and direct about things. If both genders would just cut the crap the dating experience would be a whole lot better.

 

Thank you

 

You're the one who pointed out that James Bond was 'a bad boy' and was using 'government money'!

 

 

 

I didn't say anywhere that women's brains are built to be attracted to men who pay for dates - the money and the 'paying' is not the point, it's the attitude that is attractive.

 

EXACTLY! And how can a man support an attitude or approach like that if they don't have money?

 

THANK YOU. Finally someone smart enough to get it.

 

We read so often from men on LS who are annoyed with women for being attracted to tall, confident, alpha males - a biological tendency. I've never read a single thread from a woman complaining about how men are always attracted to young 'hot' women - also a biological tendency.

 

It just is what it is.

 

Exactly. People can't seem to accept that.

 

I reckon the OP thinks she must behave as such to get what she wants and probably has never been in love.

 

I have once. But love isn't enough. Now I want to explore the opposite option.

 

Why can't she just be alone?

 

Who wants to be alone for their entire life? If I don't believe in love, at least I can agree on an exchange with a man who would also be okay with it, who also doesn't believe in love but willing to compromise on an exchange to avoid being alone.

 

FS, maybe your standards are not true to who you really are, anyway.

 

Maybe. I'm just frustrated that a man can't take me out and treat me to something nice.

 

If you're doign as well as you claim and dont believe in love then why not just stay single and enjoy the freedom? why do you need even more money if youre doing fine on your own?

 

I don't need MORE money, I need a man with money so he can actually TREAT me to things like how men are supposed to. I'm not saying he needs to be a millionaire, but please no more broke asses.

 

I do enjoy my freedom, but I enjoy being in the company of a gentleman more.

[samsungxoxo]

FrustratedStandards I hate to break the news but there are very few gentlemen these days (maybe in your country you'll find more but not many in the US) and lately many are into ''treating a woman like a man or as a team mate''. We just came in way too late.

 

I was born in 1987 and by then feminism has already long taken place so I'm years too late.

 

But if you go to the Deep South then maybe you'll find a gentleman there. I heard they still exist in certain places but you have to keep finding them. It's like searching for that specific colorful fish on the bottom of the ocean.

[Woggle]

It's funny how this is exactly what some feminists wanted and now that they have it they are unhappy. It is it any wonder why men these days feel so confused?

[samsungxoxo]

It's funny how this is exactly what some feminists wanted and now that they have it they are unhappy. It is it any wonder why men these days feel so confused?

I think it's because maybe they weren't being specific and many men just took it to the extreme.

 

I'll use a true analogy to give you an idea of what it feels like.

 

My mother once made a known Peruvian plate. It was good but there was very little meat and it didn't really stuffed us. So we told her about it.

 

The next time she made the dish again, she overdid it and put too much meat that we could hardly stand up.

 

See what I mean... you have to find the middle point.. don't go to extreme. Just because they fought for equality (yes equal job opportunities, voting rights, the right to choose a career and so on) doesn't mean the man has to do to the extreme of treating her as if she's another man or his one of his buddies.

 

Another example: Don't get too close because you'll burn yourself but not too far because you'll freeze. Just stay in the middle.

[Woggle]

Ask any man who was around in the 70s during the height of the feminist movement and they will tell you that they risked a tongue lashing for even holding open a door for a woman. Did people expect this mentality not to have any affect for how men treat women?

[LynnieBear]

I think it's because maybe they weren't being specific and many men just took it to the extreme.

 

I'll use a true analogy to give you an idea of what it feels like.

 

My mother once made a known Peruvian plate. It was good but there was very little meat and it didn't really stuffed us. So we told her about it.

 

The next time she made the dish again, she overdid it and put too much meat that we could hardly stand up.

 

See what I mean... you have to find the middle point.. don't go to extreme. Just because they fought for equality (yes equal job opportunities, voting rights, the right to choose a career and so on) doesn't mean the man has to do to the extreme of treating her as if she's another man or his one of his buddies.

 

Another example: Don't get too close because you'll burn yourself but not too far because you'll freeze. Just stay in the middle.

 

I always aim for the middle.

[LynnieBear]

Ask any man who was around in the 70s during the height of the feminist movement and they will tell you that they risked a tongue lashing for even holding open a door for a woman. Did people expect this mentality not to have any affect for how men treat women?

 

Not all women are like this. I enjoy being pampered by men. Door holding and all.

[LynnieBear]

I think feminism has been taken way too far in the US.

 

And I'm a woman saying this.