Star Gazer Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 Anyway, normal, happy people appreciate a good sight-i.e shirtless-sweating-muscle-ripping-clean-man running for a good cause . People who are offended by it are 1) jealous 2) need to get a life 3) jealous. And this is all it is. Sorry, but I'm none of those things. But, to each their own.
january2011 Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 We've already discussed this ad nauseam via email, which is why I'm so dumbfounded by this entire thread and the act he's putting on. Does the rest of the forum need to see this two-way though? No offence meant, just asking. It's been an interesting discussion but I've noticed that sometimes when a thread descends too much into the personal, when it started off as general thread, it seems to become a bit of a witchhunt/therapy session. And to be honest, it's quite painful to watch. I know I can just unsubscribe but I keep hoping for more general discussion rather than the intimate dissection that seems to be happening at the moment.
tami-chan Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 Nope, not you. I know the real Hokie. It's maddening watching him pretend like this, that he doesn't use his half-naked body to attract women. Why get mad? What is it to you? Let him be.
Star Gazer Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 Why get mad? What is it to you? Let him be. Mad was a poor choice of words, but it's not pleasant watching someone be dishonest. I'll just leave it at that.
tami-chan Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 Sorry, but I'm none of those things. But, to each their own. Didn't know you were offended by him running shirtless....care to tell us why?
Author USMCHokie Posted January 18, 2011 Author Posted January 18, 2011 In this case, Hokie, if you have the opportunity to help a charity AND "flaunt" your bod-then why not??????? This is a good way of "flaunting" your bod-since it is almost the norm or acceptable "un-dress" code. The key is "APPROPRIATENESS". Ill-fitting anything is never appropriate. Anyway, normal, happy people appreciate a good sight-i.e shirtless-sweating-muscle-ripping-clean-man running for a good cause . People who are offended by it are 1) jealous 2) need to get a life 3) jealous. And this is all it is. This is what I was referring to.
tami-chan Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 This is what I was referring to. I understand what you meant the FIRST TIME, because you only quoted THAT part.....some people however......are too defensive....
Star Gazer Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 Does the rest of the forum need to see this two-way though? No offence meant, just asking. It's been an interesting discussion but I've noticed that sometimes when a thread descends too much into the personal, when it started off as general thread, it seems to become a bit of a witchhunt/therapy session. And to be honest, it's quite painful to watch. I know I can just unsubscribe but I keep hoping for more general discussion rather than the intimate dissection that seems to be happening at the moment. I totally hear what you're saying. I do. But if you knew someone personally, and saw them posting here and not being honest about what they do and why, how they feel and why they do things, and you knew they weren't being honest based on your personal interactions with them over a significant period of time, based on their own words and admissions and such, you'd probably understand why it's so frustrating. Ostensibly, he's here to get advice and become a better person. But that advice won't work unless it's based on a true set of facts, a true description of behavior and motivations. Don't you think? I would love to see him to get words of wisdom from you folks, but he's gotta be honest about things before your advice will ever fit his circumstances. Ya know? As a wise one just said to me, people are often not honest with themselves. There's nothing I can do about it. I can only get them defensive and angry at me. That wasn't my intent, but it was obviously the outcome. My bad. On with your advice!!
johan Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 I understand what you meant the FIRST TIME, because you only quoted THAT part.....some people however......are too defensive.... I didn't even respond! I'm not defensive. You should take that back!
Star Gazer Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 Didn't know you were offended by him running shirtless....care to tell us why? I'm not, nor do I care to explain myself any further. I'll leave Hokie to his little thread here. Take care, Hoke.
Star Gazer Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 I understand what you meant the FIRST TIME, because you only quoted THAT part.....some people however......are too defensive.... Actually, the screen is clear. He quoted your 1), 2) and 3) too.
Author USMCHokie Posted January 18, 2011 Author Posted January 18, 2011 Eh, I'm honestly getting tired of this topic and this thread. I intended for it to be a broad discussion of what I thought (and still think) was a legitimate social dynamic that certainly affects dating and attraction. I need to create a new account.
january2011 Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 I totally hear what you're saying. I do. But if you knew someone personally, and saw them posting here and not being honest about what they do and why, how they feel and why they do things, and you knew they weren't being honest based on your personal interactions with them over a significant period of time, based on their own words and admissions and such, you'd probably understand why it's so frustrating. Ostensibly, he's here to get advice and become a better person. But that advice won't work unless it's based on a true set of facts, a true description of behavior and motivations. Don't you think? I would love to see him to get words of wisdom from you folks, but he's gotta be honest about things before your advice will ever fit his circumstances. Ya know? As a wise one just said to me, people are often not honest with themselves. There's nothing I can do about it. I can only get them defensive and angry at me. That wasn't my intent, but it was obviously the outcome. My bad. On with your advice!! Star Gazer, I understand where you are coming from and that you have good intentions. If I'm honest, I'd probably do something similar if I found myself in the same position. It just seemed like you two were more or less having a private conversation, which in my experience is better conducted in private. Otherwise, it's akin to watching your friends argue, it's just 'not nice' and people don't really want to see it, even if what's said is honest and true. I think that there are some instances where I just have to take an OP at face value even if I suspect that there's more going on behind the scenes. I haven't been around as long as you so it's all I can really do at the moment. If the thread poster is not being honest and is therefore wasting other posters' time by not being upfront, so be it. Let that be on their conscience. As far as I'm concerned, I've done the best that I can with the information I've been given. And if it helps someone other than the original poster, that's still fine by me.
tami-chan Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 I totally hear what you're saying. I do. But if you knew someone personally, and saw them posting here and not being honest about what they do and why, how they feel and why they do things, and you knew they weren't being honest based on your personal interactions with them over a significant period of time, based on their own words and admissions and such, you'd probably understand why it's so frustrating. Ostensibly, he's here to get advice and become a better person. But that advice won't work unless it's based on a true set of facts, a true description of behavior and motivations. Don't you think? I would love to see him to get words of wisdom from you folks, but he's gotta be honest about things before your advice will ever fit his circumstances. Ya know? As a wise one just said to me, people are often not honest with themselves. There's nothing I can do about it. I can only get them defensive and angry at me. That wasn't my intent, but it was obviously the outcome. My bad. On with your advice!! You are disrespectful to your friend, Hokie. You are calling him a LIAR(based on things you know about him in private) in a public forum. When it might not be the case. Maybe you are just not looking at it from the same perspective he is or maybe you do not know him well enough after all, or maybe you are just misunderstanding him. You are lucky Hokie is a gentleman, at least from how he is responding to your badgering.
Analeigh Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 I prefer about half and half. You have to show me enough to get me interested, but that's usually by actions and not empty words. I would be way more attracted if I asked you for an opinion on wine at dinner and you had several good ones, than if you immediately grabbed a wine list and started spouting off every single thing you knew about every wine on the list and 5,000 more. As the relationship progresses this is one of the best parts to me, I get to learn more and more (hopefully) amazing things about my partner. It's best not to spill it all at once, but reveal little bits as you go along.
Jannah Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 Children's Tumor Foundation...research for neurofibrosis... They did it for the first time last year and it was a big success, so it looks like it's going to stay... Found it. http://www.cupidsundierun.com/ Actually, it's a pretty clever way, to raise money for a charity. Sex sells.
EricaH329 Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 Nope, not you. I know the real Hokie. It's maddening watching him pretend like this, that he doesn't use his half-naked body to attract women. I don't know how I missed this thread, but i've stopped reading after this post. SG, I know him IRL. I've hung out with him on several occasions. As a matter of fact, I believe i've known him longer than you. So, it's safe to say that I know the real Hokie too. That being said, we all know Hokie is a great guy. He has an amazing personality. He's smart, funny, kind, caring, the list could go on and on. He has worked for the body he has now. Worked for it. He didn't pop out of his mothers womb with it. He pushed himself constantly to get to the point he is at today. All that being said, why shouldn't he flaunt it? He knows he has great personality traits (which all of us do too), and he 'flaunts' those right here on LS. Should we bash him for being proud of his qualities? Should we tell him to 'tone it down'? In my opinion, absolutely not! Hokie, you go out there in your undies, if you so please, and run screaming to the world that you are proud of your body! :laugh:
Star Gazer Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 Erica, you and I know Hokie in two VERY different contexts. Perhaps you should read the rest of what I said. If you don't agree with my comments, then he was lying to one of us about who he is, how he feels, and why he does certain things, and honestly, I really don't care who it was that he showed a different side to. I'm just explaining how I came to my opinions about the topic of this thread.
EricaH329 Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 Erica, you and I know Hokie in two VERY different contexts. Perhaps you should read the rest of what I said. If you don't agree with my comments, then he was lying to one of us about who he is, how he feels, and why he does certain things, and honestly, I really don't care who it was that he showed a different side to. I'm just explaining how I came to my opinions about the topic of this thread. As Hokie has previously stated, he said those things because he felt he needed to live up to the 'ideal' person he thought he should be. Don't get me wrong, if I felt in any way (after knowing him for as long as I have) that there were any serious underlying issues pertaining to his physique, I would most certainly bring them to his attention. But, I don't. I think everyone can be insecure at times, but as a whole, this isn't a major issue. He's proud of what he has And that's a lot more than most people can honestly say. You go Hokie!!! :bunny:
Star Gazer Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 Don't get me wrong, if I felt in any way (after knowing him for as long as I have) that there were any serious underlying issues pertaining to his physique, I would most certainly bring them to his attention. But, I don't. Well, obviously I do, and so I did bring the issue to his attention, and he wholeheartedly agreed with me, and we discussed it, at length. Now, he's doing a 180 and disagreeing. Fine by me, I guess. Everyone's free to change their mind. I did.
EricaH329 Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 Well, obviously I do, and so I did bring the issue to his attention, and he wholeheartedly agreed with me, and we discussed it, at length. Now, he's doing a 180 and disagreeing. Fine by me, I guess. Everyone's free to change their mind. I did. And everyone is also free to think about things in great length, and come to a different conclusion than originally made. Regardless, in reference to the original question asked, I believe that if you have it, you should 'flaunt' it. And I find one of your (Hokie) conclusions to be the same as mine. The people who aren't jealous, will tell you to 'flaunt' it. The ones who are supportive of what you have. Oh, btw, it's GBL (not GTL) now. Remember??
Star Gazer Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 Oh, btw, it's GBL (not GTL) now. Remember?? It's late... I don't get it. . Beach? And again, I'm NOT jealous. Ugh.
EricaH329 Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 It's late... I don't get it. . Beach? And again, I'm NOT jealous. Ugh. I'm not saying you're jealous, that reference wasn't directed at you. I understand your concern for Hokie. I'm mostly talking about others, from an outside perspective. GBL. Gym, Burn, Laundry. I'm a redhead, I can't tan
Author USMCHokie Posted January 19, 2011 Author Posted January 19, 2011 Well, obviously I do, and so I did bring the issue to his attention, and he wholeheartedly agreed with me, and we discussed it, at length. Now, he's doing a 180 and disagreeing. Fine by me, I guess. Everyone's free to change their mind. I did. I am just going to come out and say it. I truly did agree with you and I still do to some extent because I genuinely wanted to be the kind of guy that you respected and considered a good partner. Remember way back when...? It has always been on my mind, ok? The only thing that has changed is that I don't view things in such black and white anymore. Yes, in the past, I would display myself to women out of insecurity because I felt that that was all I had to offer. We did discuss it ad nauseum, and I wholeheartedly agreed and still agree with you. But I now realize that I'm more than just a body and that I have plenty of other attractive traits which I'm trying to put forward in lieu of my body. However, you seem to have an incredibly rigid mentality that there is absolutely no occasion to "flaunt" when you're "secure" with yourself. If I were to appear in public even once without a shirt (e.g., a charity underwear run), then you'd say that I'm terribly insecure. Can I not have fun once in a while? I wholeheartedly believe that one can be secure with what he's got and still have occasion to have some fun and flaunt a little. There's no harm in it. If you're turned off by it, then you're turned off by it. I can live with that. And you say that I'm lying or putting on a front, but that's merely from your perspective. To each their own.
Star Gazer Posted January 19, 2011 Posted January 19, 2011 GBL. Gym, Burn, Laundry. I'm a redhead, I can't tan I'm Scottish and Irish... I only turn various shades of pink! If I'm lucky, I end up golden peach, at the verrrrry end of the summer.
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