Update: Not Dating American Women Anymore

[donnamaybe]

Remember, there's also one OTHER thing all the American men you've dated "have in common": they've dated YOU.

Remember - there's also one OTHER thing all the American women you've dated "have in common": they've dated YOU.

[theBrokenMuse]

LOL, no you couldn't, because you've said you've ONLY dated American men (at least so far). Unlike the OP and some of the other men posting in this thread, you apparently HAVE NOT dated non-American men. At least not yet. So unlike OP, and some others, you DON'T have any basis for comparison.

She wasn't making a comparison... she was creating a (fake) proposition by applying a shared property to one select subgroup of males. The fact that other males from other subgroups may also share the same property is a complete non-issue.

[theBrokenMuse]

She was absolutely making a comparison. How could you say she wasn't?

What I am saying is that in order to discern a property of subset A of group X you don't need to know the properties of subset B of group X - it's of no importance to distinguishing what is true of subset A so her applying a shared attribute to subset A is not a problem as long as it is not making any comparisons to subset B without having any knowledge of subset B's data.

 

The problem is that as you say it was a "fake" comparison/"false" comparison, and my post established that.

By fake, I don't mean inapplicable, I meant that she doesn't really believe that characterization and was just using it as a means of illustration. Edited October 1, 2010 by theBrokenMuse

[theBrokenMuse]

That's why her comparison was false. Because there was no "subset" of men she'd dated, who were non-American. The entire set was all Americans. She's never dated a non-American. In contrast, OP HAS dated non-Americans (which is what motivated him to post in the first place) so there is a subset of Americans and also a subset of non-Americans within the entire superset of everyone OP has dated. The fact that there ARE two different subsets is what allows a comparison to be made.

 

In contrast, what she was doing was simply saying that "If OP can say that Americans are no good for dating, why can't I, because all the Americans I've dated have been no good?" The reason this comparison was false was because OP was explicitly making a comparison between Americans and non-Americans. He wasn't stating an absolute characteristic.

 

 

 

She was attempting to argue by contradiction, trying to make an analogy (i.e. a "comparison") and then showing that since the logic didn't apply to her own situation, it also didn't apply to the OP's situation. She was trying to argue "Look all my dates have been bad, that doesn't mean all American men are bad to date," which is TRUE. She was then attempting to argue by analogy that because it is TRUE that all American men are not bad to date simply because that's been her experience, then OP must be wrong in thinking that non-American women are better to date than American women. But OP wasn't simply saying that American women were bad to date, per se; he was saying non-Americans are better.

 

You are absolutely right. I was confusing some of the points made in the recently created (and I think deleted) first American women post by the same OP with the ones made in this one so I was totally off the mark. I think perhaps another cup of coffee might help get my brain fully functional again this morning...

[donnamaybe]

Hello donna.

 

It's interesting that even in the way you're discussing this very issue, you're "doing it," that is, behaving in the way that many men attribute to American women as being a non-endearing trait.

That's because, frankly, you piss me off. Therefore, you'll get a dose of the same crap you've been tossing my way.

Let's backtrack a little.

Oh, now THIS should be PRICELESS!

All I said was that the OP DID NOT say that American women were "NO GOOD."

Oh, so all those negative attributes that his new gal doesn't have that he claims American women so obviously do have are a good thing?

But you falsely attributed those precise words to him.

It's not hard to discern his intent, unless you're a complete moron.

That's not honest discussion and it's a symptom of the very issue OP is trying to address. You're arguing for the sake of arguing,

No, I'm trying to help him understand how someone else may view his diatribe against American women in general. He doesn't come across on LS as a complete A-hole, so I figured he might care.

but in order to generate the argument, you're falsely attributing words to someone who didn't say those words.

Just because exact words weren't spoken does NOT mean (once again, unless you're a complete moron) that the meaning isn't crystal clear.

To make what point, exactly? Any point you make based on misattributed words may be interesting, but it doesn't really have anything to do with what the OP actually said.

It has everything to do with what he said, but perhaps you aren't able to see it.

So in my prior post, when I pointed out the simple fact that you misattributed words to the OP, rather than simply admit what you did, and get back on track with an intelligent, reasoned, non-emotional discussion, you "escalate" by doing the same thing only more so.

Some people need things explained multiple times.

The fact of the matter is it's impossible to break down each and every thing that you're saying because you won't stay on one point at a time for a thorough, logical discussion.

Sorry you're incapable of following. Try a more parochial type of forum, perhaps...

 

However I will take one point--"greedy" and "materialistic." All you have to do is look at one of the many "who pays for dates" threads at LS. That answers that question, right?

And have you seen how many women, including me, disagree that men should always pay? I'm sure THOSE posts escaped your razor-like perception.

 

You're being belligerent right now IMO.

Damned right I am. Like I said, discourse with you inspires a certain mood.

In fact you deliberately chose an obviously belligerent-looking avatar to represent yourself at this website.

And the HILARIOUS reason I eventually put up that avatar (which most of the guys absolutely LOVE, BTW) was during a thread where some lame arse was talking about how "women need to know their place." Again, inspired by the mood of the thread.

You're all about your own "attitude" in pretty much everything I've seen you post here.

Yeah. The opener of this thread had NO attitude AT ALL being displayed.

That doesn't mean I disagree with everything you say, I agree with quite a bit of it.

There's hope yet.

But "belligerent"? Yes I'd say that's a pretty accurate way to characterize your "style." At least here. No idea what you might be like in real life though.

Well, considering how many faithful friends I have, the fact that my man loves me deeply, and how my daughter-in-law enjoys my house over that of her own mother for holidays, barbecues, and the like, I'd say I'm a pretty likeable gal as well as a good hostess.

 

Um, no, why should I "care" that "many women" were "put off"? Do you realize what you are saying when you use the term "put off"? What that obviously means, what you are saying, is that many women "got their feelings hurt" by something that OP posted that the women happened to disagree with.

 

The "oh you hurt my feelings card" is kind of ridiculous to play here, but you're so used to playing it that you don't even realize that's what you're doing. So you're simultaneously attacking the OP, attacking anyone who supports him, yet your justification for doing it is "oh you hurt our feelings." THIS is precisely the type of mind-set in some American women that a lot of American men find extremely annoying. They want to have it "both ways." They want to be as belligerent and as argumentative as they can possibly be, they feel they have that "right"--the right to treat men as if men's ideas and yes feelings have no merit or weight--but as soon as they are confronted with an idea they cannot rebut on the merits, its: "oh no fair, you hurt my feelings."

 

So no I don't care if your feelings were hurt or not, because in a discussion of this nature--strangers exchanging ideas and opinions on the internet--trying to play that card in response to OP's ideas is totally fraudulent and in fact goes a great deal of the way to helping him prove his basic thesis.

And this is the VERY reason my sister has very few friends and is disliked by most of her co-workers and even avoided by much of her family. She doesn't care how what she says comes across either. In her words, to temper her verbage so as not to offend others is called "ass kissing."

 

OP didn't say there weren't any decent American women. Nor did I, in fact, I'm married to one, IMO. But the fact that I was fortunate/lucky doesn't detract from OP's general point. Also, even IF the guys complaining about American women on this thread were losers of some kind, it STILL wouldn't detract from his general point.

Um, yes it would. It's EASY to complain about a group of people who won't give you the time of day.

 

Really? You consider yourself completely non-competitive? Then why are "arguing" so vociferously?

NOW who's making things up? I didn't say I was "completely non-competetive." I also didn't say I had to "win" anything in this thread, so please stop fabricating issues that do not exist.

 

He may or may not be interested, but your (and other women's) emotional reaction of being "put off" (translation: oh you meany you hurt our feelings, that's NOT ALLOWED!!!) is intellectually irrelevant to the discussion, except insofar as your playing of the "you hurt my feelings card" actually supports OP's point.

 

Many many many many MANY things in life may hurt our feelings, but that doesn't make them any the less the truth. Indeed some of the most important truths can be the most hurtful. You already KNOW that. There are many many many OWs posting who don't like to hear "the truth" as you yourself ladle out freely to them, donnamaybe. When they say "donna you hurt my feelings when you called my MM a lying loser", does that make what you said any the less true?

Cheaters are lying. Fact. Loser? I've never called anyone's MM a loser. Had I, I would have been dumped from LS by Tony. But "American woman" as a whole are not self absorbed, lazy, selfish, cheating people.

 

So no actually. Your hurt feelings are irrelevant. Sorry.

Again, the downfall of my sister. She sucks to be around. Oh, and as for the part I bolded just above, you obviously have bought into this "theory" of the OP's as well. Look, I know there are selfish, self centered, materialistic, lazy, ignorant women in this country. You think there aren't men like that too? And are you and the OP so limited that you can't conceive of there being people like that in OTHER countries? The first time my guy discovered I bake and cook and do both well, he was quite happy. Trust me, I know that these days, with so many two income families, you don't see as much of that any more. In fact, my mother was a stay at home mom. She actually hand baked ALL of our bread. We NEVER ate store bought bread. Now I can make a mean loaf of bread too, but I don't do it often because I have a full time job, but I do cook meals for my family, and I REALLY enjoy watching them relishing every bite. I like making my loved ones happy, as do MANY OTHER American women.

 

 

This statement is illogical and irrelevant. It is not about OP's rhetoric. It's not even about OP, at all. It's about the idea that OP set forth,

No, it's HOW he said it.

which apparently is so threatening to you that it really set you off in quite a tizzy.

I'm in no tizzy. Neither you nor the OP has THAT sorty of power over me. Pissed me off a little and made me want to give you back in kind? Yeah. In a tizzy? Not even close.

And in responding the way you have, you've gone a long long way to providing ample evidence in support of OP's thesis.

Not at all. Like I said above, I do cook for my loved ones, and I pay on dates as much as my sweety does. I am very proud of his skills and tell him so often, and he gets good good loving regularly. I have a healthy respect for the value of a dollar and don't ascribe to the notion that women have to spend hundreds of dollars a month on their looks. Hell, if I had to spend THAT kind of money just to look good, I might as well not even try if I have THAT little to work with. So, no. I'm nothing like the "American women" the OP described.

 

I bolded the above because either your real life persona, in your relationship, is COMPLETELY different from how you present here; or you're simply not being truthful. Because frankly if any woman "talked" to me in real life the way you "come across" on the internet, I would have very very little patience with her. And I'm not a "macho" guy at all. But the constant whining and sense of entitlement you convey, at least in how you discuss this particular issue, is very tiresome. I believe that your SO probably takes a great deal of "crap" from you, and keeps his mouth shut about it. Maybe you're very hot in real life or have a lot of money or something?

Well, hot for my age, sure. A lot of money? No. I do have a nice house on 40 acres and a good job, though, and I enjoy sharing that with those I love. As for my man, he's just not a pathetic loser who needs his woman to walk five paces behind him.

 

Now with me, you're confronting someone who at least on the internet, takes no "crap" at all.

 

And you don't seem to be handling it very well.

Oh, I'm handling YOU just fine.

 

LOL, your insecurity is so great that you just denigrated all non-American cultures in the entire world. Your bf must be a doormat.

Yup, that's me. Insecurity personified. :lmao: Edited October 1, 2010 by donnamaybe

[Sphere]

Any criticisms directed at American women can be directed at nations where Americanisation has festered, it's not only American women who are like what has been described in this thread and not every American woman is like what has been described, this forum evidently shows this.

 

If American men don't want American women, send them my way, we'll send you British women and you'll soon regret that straight swap.

[donnamaybe]

Any criticisms directed at American women can be directed at nations where Americanisation has festered, it's not only American women who are like what has been described in this thread and not every American woman is like what has been described, this forum evidently shows this.

 

If American men don't want American women, send them my way, we'll send you British women and you'll soon regret that straight swap.

Watch out, Sphere! You'll be getting tagged with a label pretty soon.

 

You know, I moved back to the midwest from the West Coast because of the attitudes that have been maligned in this thread. They exist in HUGE numbers in the coastal cities, but not so much as you move inward.

 

I wonder why that is...

 

OP, I'm sorry. Where do you live? What part of the country? Perhaps THAT has been the problem.

[aerogurl87]

Watch out, Sphere! You'll be getting tagged with a label pretty soon.

 

You know, I moved back to the midwest from the West Coast because of the attitudes that have been maligned in this thread. They exist in HUGE numbers in the coastal cities, but not so much as you move inward.

 

I wonder why that is...

 

OP, I'm sorry. Where do you live? What part of the country? Perhaps THAT has been the problem.

 

That's what I said earlier, lol. I'm pretty sure this is a regional thing.

[Sphere]

Watch out, Sphere! You'll be getting tagged with a label pretty soon.

 

Honey, I'm used to labels. I'm known by the English as "sheep sh*gger" because of my nationality. On this board, I've been called a jerk, a womanizer, homosexual, a pick up artist, an idiot and the list goes on. What's one my label?

[GooseChaser]

I think I sorta understand what the OP's side is saying. In well-off countries like the U.S., some people-- of BOTH sexes-- will become complacent, because they are not in need of anything. That can bring laziness if a person does not have motivation or goals to work toward. I thin that's a fair statement to make. Still, all women in the U.S. should not be lumped together as being that way, just like the men shouldn't be, and we should recognize that everyone's different. Not all American women are as bad as described. In fact, many American women are quite hardworking, as well as educated.

Edited October 1, 2010 by GooseChaser

[collegeguy_24]

Just because exact words weren't spoken does NOT mean (once again, unless you're a complete moron) that the meaning isn't crystal clear.

 

Throwing out insults donna does not help your argument, in fact it makes you look like an immature 5-year old girl. If you disagree with someone, try to be civilized, otherwise people will just rile you up cause you've made it so easy up to this point.

[donnamaybe]

Throwing out insults donna does not help your argument, in fact it makes you look like an immature 5-year old girl. If you disagree with someone, try to be civilized, otherwise people will just rile you up cause you've made it so easy up to this point.

What insult? There's no insult unless someone in this thread considers themself a complete moron.

 

And "riled up?" Not so. Amused, yes. Riled up, not on your life.

[donnamaybe]

I think I sorta understand what the OP's side is saying. In well-off countries like the U.S., some people-- of BOTH sexes-- will become complacent, because they are not in need of anything. That can bring laziness if a person does not have motivation or goals to work toward. I thin that's a fair statement to make. Still, all women in the U.S. should not be lumped together as being that way, just like the men shouldn't be, and we should recognize that everyone's different. Not all American women are as bad as described. In fact, many American women are quite hardworking, as well as educated.

Ah, a voice of reason.

[collegeguy_24]

What insult? There's no insult unless someone in this thread considers themself a complete moron.

 

And "riled up?" Not so. Amused, yes. Riled up, not on your life.

 

Look at your posts on this thread, they speak differently. I am not trying to be insulting, so please do not take it that way, but you are seriously coming off as immature. I can understand disagreeing with someone, I disagree with a lot on this thread, but I try to be polite about it.

 

As to the topic itself, alot of what is said about american women on here is true, I've seen in person, but at the same time, the same thing can be said for men in america. Not all are the same, I happen to know quite a few american women who are not princesses and do not want to be treated as such. It can also depend on your environment and the age group your going after.

 

College girls, especially the freshman and sophomore girls, are princess and spoiled little B!tches. But the Seniors and Juniors are more mature, and more often then not, act like reguler people cause they learned the lessons of life.

 

And as a person who lives in Montana, I think it was Donna who said this, I'm not sure, but the further away you get from the East and West coast, the better women are. They act less spoiled, probably because the majority of girls here are used to working hard for a living, on farms and such. But at the same time, there are sever downsides, which suck.

[donnamaybe]

Look at your posts on this thread, they speak differently. I am not trying to be insulting, so please do not take it that way, but you are seriously coming off as immature. I can understand disagreeing with someone, I disagree with a lot on this thread, but I try to be polite about it.

If you'll notice, the ONLY one I was "not polite" to was the one who was NOT polite to me. I'm just mirroring his attitude. In case you didn't notice, that happens IRL with people too. And, by the way, it's MUCH easier to be polite when you AREN'T one of the ones being lumped into a specific group and labeled with all sorts of horrible terms.

 

As to the topic itself, alot of what is said about american women on here is true, I've seen in person, but at the same time, the same thing can be said for men in america. Not all are the same, I happen to know quite a few american women who are not princesses and do not want to be treated as such. It can also depend on your environment and the age group your going after.

 

College girls, especially the freshman and sophomore girls, are princess and spoiled little B!tches. But the Seniors and Juniors are more mature, and more often then not, act like reguler people cause they learned the lessons of life.

 

And as a person who lives in Montana, I think it was Donna who said this, I'm not sure, but the further away you get from the East and West coast, the better women are. They act less spoiled, probably because the majority of girls here are used to working hard for a living, on farms and such. But at the same time, there are sever downsides, which suck.

I agree that as soon as you find a cross section of less spoiled, less self absorbed people, you also often find those with other problems.

 

Bottom line, as SOON as you see these kinds of behaviors in a man or woman, quit dating them and move to the next. Don't waste your time.

[collegeguy_24]

. And, by the way, it's MUCH easier to be polite when you AREN'T one of the ones being lumped into a specific group and labeled with all sorts of horrible terms.

 

I agree that as soon as you find a cross section of less spoiled, less self absorbed people, you also often find those with other problems.

 

Bottom line, as SOON as you see these kinds of behaviors in a man or woman, quit dating them and move to the next. Don't waste your time.

 

I am actually lumped into a groups all the time. Would you like a list?

 

Also, there are plenty of women bashing men on this site, yet women act justified but when its vice versa, its a complete double standard. Now I haven't read all your posts on this site, so I am not judging you personally, but to all the other women out there who read this and enjoy the double standard, you know who you are folks, you are totally deserving of the rudeness here.

 

As for Montana, the women here do have different sets of problems, such as the majority are single mothers still in love with their a-hole ex Boyfriend in prison. Or they are obsessed with muscle, if a guy who is skinny, like me, doesn't have muscle we are deemed lazy and losers. Or they are alcoholics. Or they will spread rumors about you everywhere to make you look bad if you break up with each other, even if she is the one at fault for the break up. Thats just from what I've experienced and what my friends experienced. Of all the women here, I've only one across one native Montanaian who has not done any of that.

 

THere are more who are good people, but sadly, they are all taken, and guess what that leaves us men with?

[donnamaybe]

I am actually lumped into a groups all the time. Would you like a list?

Well, we ALL are, but then is said group labeled all sort of awful things? Not normally.

 

Also, there are plenty of women bashing men on this site, yet women act justified but when its vice versa, its a complete double standard. Now I haven't read all your posts on this site, so I am not judging you personally, but to all the other women out there who read this and enjoy the double standard, you know who you are folks, you are totally deserving of the rudeness here.

Yes, they are. And I have seen lots of women on LS who bash men regularly, as if merely having a penis turns someone into a jackass.

 

As for Montana, the women here do have different sets of problems, such as the majority are single mothers still in love with their a-hole ex Boyfriend in prison. Or they are obsessed with muscle, if a guy who is skinny, like me, doesn't have muscle we are deemed lazy and losers. Or they are alcoholics. Or they will spread rumors about you everywhere to make you look bad if you break up with each other, even if she is the one at fault for the break up. Thats just from what I've experienced and what my friends experienced. Of all the women here, I've only one across one native Montanaian who has not done any of that.

 

THere are more who are good people, but sadly, they are all taken, and guess what that leaves us men with?

The same as us women, until we find the one worthy of keeping.

[collegeguy_24]

Well, we ALL are, but then is said group labeled all sort of awful things? Not normally.

 

The same as us women, until we find the one worthy of keeping.

 

I am most often put into the nice guy group, where we finish last. I am beginning to think its the truth, that nice guys do finish last. The only one to argue against that was, of all people, my most recent ex! and she said that a month after we broke up, just two weeks ago.

 

She said nice guys do not finish last and I should not change who I am. But considering she left me, and how often I get rejected because I am not a poser criminal, its hard to believe. Even my own parents didn't have an argument opposing the notion that nice guys finish last, my own parents!

 

As for you Donna, I will admit, I am jealous that you found someone, but it really sounds like he makes you happy, and vice versa, so I offer my congrats!

[donnamaybe]

I am most often put into the nice guy group, where we finish last. I am beginning to think its the truth, that nice guys do finish last. The only one to argue against that was, of all people, my most recent ex! and she said that a month after we broke up, just two weeks ago.

 

She said nice guys do not finish last and I should not change who I am. But considering she left me, and how often I get rejected because I am not a poser criminal, its hard to believe. Even my own parents didn't have an argument opposing the notion that nice guys finish last, my own parents!

 

As for you Donna, I will admit, I am jealous that you found someone, but it really sounds like he makes you happy, and vice versa, so I offer my congrats!

Awww, thank you!

 

But I have a question: Are you a "nice guy" or someone who would let a woman tell him what to do? You have to balance the want to do nice things for people with having expectations of your own that should be met. My guy is like that. Truly a kind, generous, helpful guy who does things for people he barely knows even when there's nothing in it for him, but if someone tried to use and abuse him, he'd cut them off at the knees. I'm not insinuating you're some kind of a doormat, because you don't come across that way, but I was pursued by a truly NICE guy at one time who I could also tell that if I snapped my fingers, he'd be jumpin' and I really didn't want a guy like that. I was right, too, because he finally gave up after my guy and I got together and he started dating this gal I initially thought was a really sweet gal. She turned out to be a controlling psycho, and he let her push him around for quite awhile before he finally grew a pair. You should see him now. A whole new man! We're still friends.

Edited October 1, 2010 by donnamaybe

[sanskrit]

The American men who complain about American women often strike me as introverted types...which must be difficult in a country like the US, where self confidence is often more important than any other personal quality

 

The U.S. is a vast cultural melting pot. There is no "American women," nor "American men," but rather endless variations. There -are- discernible common attitudes among subcultures, which is why OP's and others' statements about "American Women" should be taken as generalizations and reflections of their own experiences as opposed to universal commentary. We all know American women aren't all XYZ." OP knows it, and is merely stating that based on his 100+ experiences, he has formed a general opinion based on the subcultures he has experienced.

 

This is not rocket science, IMO it's the people who clutter up threads with hyper-sensitivity whenever a generalization is given without loads of unnecessary qualifiers who inflame these threads, not the ones offering a simple generalization.

 

For example, the post quoted above is packed full of generalizations about people in the U.S. Am I offended by it? Of course not, it's just one person's opinion that may or may not apply to me, not some personal dig to be complained about. Unlike OP, we don't know how much experience the poster actually has in the U.S. Were they raised here? How many places in the U.S. have they lived? Who knows, who cares? It's just one person stating a generalization based opinion on the net, not a rallying cry. I still here, "Men are dogs, men are pigs" from time to time. What is the response? Snort or bark in their face! I know I'm not a dog or pig, so it's a chance to make have a joke or poke fun, not rant about generalizations. And here I am ranting about ranters about generalizations.

[collegeguy_24]

Awww, thank you!

 

But I have a question: Are you a "nice guy" or someone who would let a woman tell him what to do? You have to balance the want to do nice things for people with having expectations of your own that should be met. I'm not insinuating you're some kind of a doormat, because you don't come across that way, but I was pursued by a truly NICE guy at one time who I could also tell that if I snapped my fingers, he'd be jumpin' and I really didn't want a guy like that. I was right, too, because he finally gave up after my guy and I got together and he started dating this gal I initially thought was a really sweet gal. She turned out to be a controlling psycho, and he let her push him around for quite awhile before he finally grew a pair. You should see him now. A whole new man! We're still friends.

 

No, I stand by my convictions, and I do not act like a doormat. I am a genuine nice guy who believes in acting in a gentlemanly manner. I also like to romance my woman, or at least when I had her, now I'm single and failing miserably, but thats another story.

 

Often times I try to do something special for the woman I am with, but also I will just do regular things cause doing the same old romance routine gets old if you do it repeatedly, or at least thats what my ex said.

[donnamaybe]

No, I stand by my convictions, and I do not act like a doormat. I am a genuine nice guy who believes in acting in a gentlemanly manner. I also like to romance my woman, or at least when I had her, now I'm single and failing miserably, but thats another story.

 

Often times I try to do something special for the woman I am with, but also I will just do regular things cause doing the same old romance routine gets old if you do it repeatedly, or at least thats what my ex said.

Well, don't let anyone change you. It takes awhile to find that special someone just for you, but if you become someone else (a NOT nice guy), you won't enjoy the relationship you end up with. I tell you, it is SO refreshing to have a man who is kind and considerate but also tells me when he feels wronged or slighted. Most of the time, it's just a misunderstanding, but because I sincerely care about how my man feels, there are other times when I need to examine my method of communication with him, or perhaps my way of responding to certain incidents or whatever. He would never ask me to alter my views to suit him or anything, but I will ALWAYS take his feelings into consideration. I love him, after all.

[collegeguy_24]

Well, don't let anyone change you. It takes awhile to find that special someone just for you, but if you become someone else (a NOT nice guy), you won't enjoy the relationship you end up with. I tell you, it is SO refreshing to have a man who is kind and considerate but also tells me when he feels wronged or slighted. Most of the time, it's just a misunderstanding, but because I sincerely care about how my man feels, there are other times when I need to examine my method of communication with him, or perhaps my way of responding to certain incidents or whatever. He would never ask me to alter my views to suit him or anything, but I will ALWAYS take his feelings into consideration. I love him, after all.

 

Your lucky, I thought I had that with my ex to. I don't want to change, and honestly I don't think I can. But I will admit I am getting impatient with having to look around and see all these messed up women, and with no woman willing to give me the time of day.

 

Even the foreign women are the same here. So its not just american women, foreign women act the same to, they want big beefy guy who take steroids to get their muscles and are criminals instead of someone like me. I can see how some of the men on this thread are irritated, and honestly I don't know if any of them are like me in regards to the fact that they can't get a woman, or a decent one.

[donnamaybe]

Your lucky, I thought I had that with my ex to. I don't want to change, and honestly I don't think I can. But I will admit I am getting impatient with having to look around and see all these messed up women, and with no woman willing to give me the time of day.

 

Even the foreign women are the same here. So its not just american women, foreign women act the same to, they want big beefy guy who take steroids to get their muscles and are criminals instead of someone like me. I can see how some of the men on this thread are irritated, and honestly I don't know if any of them are like me in regards to the fact that they can't get a woman, or a decent one.

Trust me. I kissed a LOT of frogs before I found my prince! And you wouldn't want some woman like those you described anyway. You probably wouldn't be able to have a conversation with a woman like that with the exception of "See Spot. See Spot run. Run Spot, run."

 

Do you get to travel at all? Get out, even to a neighboring city occasionally, and meet other people? It appears you have no trouble with good conversation, so that's a big step in the right direction.

[collegeguy_24]

Trust me. I kissed a LOT of frogs before I found my prince! And you wouldn't want some woman like those you described anyway. You probably wouldn't be able to have a conversation with a woman like that with the exception of "See Spot. See Spot run. Run Spot, run."

 

Do you get to travel at all? Get out, even to a neighboring city occasionally, and meet other people? It appears you have no trouble with good conversation, so that's a big step in the right direction.

 

I can't really travel much, I live in Bozeman, most places nearby are 2 hours away, and I share cars with my parent, shamefully. So going to another city is not really available to me.

 

Tonight though, I am going bar hopping with a friend of mine, but like always I'll probably be to shy or to drunk to talk to women.