LS Men are Turning Me Off Men

[that girl]

The reasons you may perceive men's comments as "raving," is that it is a legitimate issue for men that has been stifled, censored and emotionally blackmailed for decades.

Overdramatic much?

 

So yes, there is some backlash involved. Many of us, after suffering with women's numerous and various weight and body issues our entire lives, are tired of it. Moreover, though we certainly didn't cause all these female body issues, we are often blamed for them disingenuously.

 

I don't blame men as a group for women's body issues, but some men do help create them.

 

The end result is that we finally just say f__ it, adopt a 0 tolerance policy with respect to female body issues, and focus on our own desires completely, which if we had done all along and not tip-toed around on egg shells, these things might not be the big social deal they are.

Normal people do not have a 0 tolerance rule for issues. I don't think anyone should have to play psychiatrist and fix anyone- there is a point where people's issues are so bad that they need to stop dating and see a therapist.

 

But lets not pretend the scared cow of telling a woman she is fat has no parallel- most decent women know they should never say anything that implies their man's penis is anything less than enormous. Did women create this issue? Not really. I'm sure someone individual women did, but the media and other men are much bigger causes.

 

everyone can lose 2-3 pounds every single week with moderate exercise and diet, no matter what age.

This really isn't true. 2-3 pounds a week is the upper level of what is considered healthy weight loss but many other people will struggle for a 4 weeks to lose a pound. People's bodies vary and in general women have a harder time losing weight than men. Weight loss isn't impossible but it can be very hard for some people.

 

This is the infuriating thing about trying to discuss these issues with women. You internalize and personalize everything that is ever said by anyone whether it is meant to apply to you or not. Add the insane level of rationalization, and the chances of having a reasonable discussion on this topic becomes slim and none.

Again, this is hardly a woman only thing. Check out any thread on penis size or height.

 

There is a point where someone personal issues are too much for anyone to handle, but people should be willing to build their partner up when they need building up, whether that means saying "I think you're beautiful" or "I think you deserve that promotion."

[meerkat stew]

Yet its your choice to date such women you do know not all women have body issues right? but I'm sure you will argue that.

 

Most modern U.S. women have body issues, that's a fact, whether bizarre eating quirks and refusals to eat healthily in front of people then gorges in private, thinks she's fat when she's not, bulimia, anorexia, thinks she should be accepted despite massive weight gain. If I screened out every American woman the minute she showed some weird body issue or eating quirk, I might as well move to an ashram. Don't try the old BS cliche that it's somehow my fault for selecting 20-30 women with body issues, sorry no dice. It's epidemic.

 

It's the exact same logic as a grown man without a car or a job who lives with his mother whining that women won't date him, the exact same. No one gives guys like that sympathy, we tell them, "get a f_cking job!, get a car and then get the hell out of your parents' house!" if you want to attract women. Yet telling women the rather obvious truism that in order to attract men they need to have a reasonably fit body is somehow insensitive and superficial. Enough already.

 

Even if your gf did have these type of issues it more then likely stems from sociality's extremely high value we put on our looks.

 

I do know that women in other cultures less indulgent of women generally don't have these issues to the degree American women do. I have known lots of women in my life of foreign ethnicity, and they laugh at U.S. women.

 

If you really want to hear a blistering tirade about American women and weight and body issues, don't ask a man, ask a Brazilian or Colombian woman living here about it, then stand back a safe distance because the volume is about to go way up. Even women who come here from elsewhere in the world are sick to death of it and tired of hearing about it, it isn't just men.

 

Look at the jump in mental health issues and eating disorders in the last few years and I'm sure you would see the data speaks for itself..

 

It's due simply to the overindulgence of women that accompanied feminism in this country, not to any emphasis on looks. The emphasis on looks exists all over the world, yet only American women have all these body issues to this degree. Just like the loser living in mommy's house with no job, women who whine about "it's all about looks" need to be told to GROW UP.

Edited September 13, 2010 by meerkat stew

[Chubbi]

Op, you have to admit you're generalizing.

 

There's carhill, owl, pyro, gorillatheatre, artcritic, mad max, gamma, bradymoss are some guys who I think wouldn't fit your description.

 

Then there are guys like Green who is very level-headed and Foutz too.

 

Inceptors Rule, meerkat, mr. dream merchant and mr. nate would fall somewhere in here. Somewhere between moderate and very good at objectifying women.

 

Then there are guys like feelingfrisky and alexman and jamesum who definitely fit the description.

 

IMO

[meerkat stew]

Op, you have to admit you're generalizing.

 

There's carhill, owl, pyro, gorillatheatre, artcritic, mad max, gamma, bradymoss are some guys who I think wouldn't fit your description.

 

Then there are guys like Green who is very level-headed and Foutz too.

 

Inceptors Rule, meerkat, mr. dream merchant and mr. nate would fall somewhere in here. Somewhere between moderate and very good at objectifying women.

 

Then there are guys like feelingfrisky and alexman and jamesum who definitely fit the description.

 

IMO

 

Insults levelled at specific male posters, listing them by name even, in a thread that has never had one shred of substantiation of the bogus claims in OP's post. NONE of what she posted has ANY evidence or truth behind it, and now you continue the nonsense by devolving from OP's general bitter lies to specifically insulting a list of male posters. I don't report people here, but you are really tempting me with the above. It actually proves everything men have said in this thread, and stands as a perfect example of why men post the way they do here.

[that girl]

in a thread that has never had one shred of substantiation of the bogus claims in OP's post. NONE of what she posted has ANY evidence or truth behind it

 

Meekrat you provided some yourself:

 

I do know that women in other cultures less indulgent of women generally don't have these issues to the degree American women do. I have known lots of women in my life of foreign ethnicity, and they laugh at U.S. women.

 

If you really want to hear a blistering tirade about American women and weight and body issues, don't ask a man, ask a Brazilian or Colombian woman living here about it, then stand back a safe distance because the volume is about to go way up. Even women who come here from elsewhere in the world are sick to death of it and tired of hearing about it, it isn't just men.

 

This kind of insane generalization about women in general and American women as inferior could make a woman think "Wow, American men are just crazy."

[SpanksTheMonkey]

Op, you have to admit you're generalizing.

 

There's carhill, owl, pyro, gorillatheatre, artcritic, mad max, gamma, bradymoss are some guys who I think wouldn't fit your description.

 

Then there are guys like Green who is very level-headed and Foutz too.

 

Inceptors Rule, meerkat, mr. dream merchant and mr. nate would fall somewhere in here. Somewhere between moderate and very good at objectifying women.

 

Then there are guys like feelingfrisky and alexman and jamesum who definitely fit the description.

 

IMO

 

I disagree about feelingfrisky hes fairly opinionated yet can get his point across in a tactful way 98% of the time...

[SpanksTheMonkey]

Meekrat you provided some yourself:

 

 

 

This kind of insane generalization about women in general and American women as inferior could make a woman think "Wow, American men are just crazy."

 

I bet he doesn't realize how American men are seen by people in other countries its not in a good light generally speaking they see them as obnoxious rude loud mouths that makes me sad cause I know there are some good ones.

 

I'm not saying this myself personalty this is what I've been told from friends who have come in contact with them while on holiday over here I mean if were going to get into generalizations and foreign relations and all it goes both ways..

[Mad Max]

Op, you have to admit you're generalizing.

 

There's carhill, owl, pyro, gorillatheatre, artcritic, mad max, gamma, bradymoss are some guys who I think wouldn't fit your description.

 

Then there are guys like Green who is very level-headed and Foutz too.

 

Inceptors Rule, meerkat, mr. dream merchant and mr. nate would fall somewhere in here. Somewhere between moderate and very good at objectifying women.

 

Then there are guys like feelingfrisky and alexman and jamesum who definitely fit the description.

 

IMO

 

 

The only one on your list I found to be offensive was alexman. Some of the others might be rather opinionated(I know I am at times), but none of them are offensive. There are nutjobs from both genders on this site. The OP can bash men all she wants, but she's the problem. And let's be honest, I can find posts by the female posters here and make some judgments that would be mostly accurate, but I wouldn't do that because I know good women exist. And yes, I've seen quite a few posts on LS that made me drop my jaw in shock.

[theBrokenMuse]

It's due simply to the overindulgence of women that accompanied feminism in this country, not to any emphasis on looks.

Are you honestly trying to tell people that disorders such as anorexia which are borne of one's obsession with the way they look have NOTHING to do with looks? If so that is absolutely the most insane statements I've heard in a long time.

[MrNate]

Op, you have to admit you're generalizing.

 

There's carhill, owl, pyro, gorillatheatre, artcritic, mad max, gamma, bradymoss are some guys who I think wouldn't fit your description.

 

Then there are guys like Green who is very level-headed and Foutz too.

 

Inceptors Rule, meerkat, mr. dream merchant and mr. nate would fall somewhere in here. Somewhere between moderate and very good at objectifying women.

 

Then there are guys like feelingfrisky and alexman and jamesum who definitely fit the description.

 

IMO

 

Wait, I'm not sure what you're saying here..that I objectify women? If so, please point out when, because I will contest you.

 

I post the way I do for a reason. I'm not a kiss up, and I believe in being honest. I also, however, know where to draw the line. So it often leaves people with mixed feelings about me, which is perfectly fine, because I rather people not rush to any conclusions about my persona.

 

I can see why you may think that when I talk about some of the types of women that turn me on, but again those are my preferences. That's not objectifying anything.

[MrNate]

The only one on your list I found to be offensive was alexman. Some of the others might be rather opinionated(I know I am at times), but none of them are offensive. There are nutjobs from both genders on this site. The OP can bash men all she wants, but she's the problem. And let's be honest, I can find posts by the female posters here and make some judgments that would be mostly accurate, but I wouldn't do that because I know good women exist. And yes, I've seen quite a few posts on LS that made me drop my jaw in shock.

 

Exactly. I've seen things said about men that have riled me up quite a bit. But, I refrain, because I know that person has probably had some bad experiences, and just needs to let out some hot steam.

 

I really don't understand why we're doing 'shout outs' to the men who apparently fit the OP. My goodness.

[Ruby Slippers]

To me, when I read what the really bitter men here write, I just feel sad for them. They must feel very rejected and hopeless to project so much venom and hate out into the world.

 

But I don't want to be mean to them on top of all the meanness they've dealt with (as we all have, sure).

 

So I just be myself and hope it might make some people realize that we're not all so bad.

 

Because that's one big reason I'm here. I want to know if men really are that bad. And, you know, they kind of are. But then you realize that you are, too. That we're all human and flawed and we're basically just going to have to find a way to deal with one another. Dammit!

[SpanksTheMonkey]

Exactly. I've seen things said about men that have riled me up quite a bit. But, I refrain, because I know that person has probably had some bad experiences, and just needs to let out some hot steam.

 

I really don't understand why we're doing 'shout outs' to the men who apparently fit the OP. My goodness.

 

I think like you said you refrain but some men on here don't and thats their preference and they are allowed to do that to some degree. But then again they have to accept that it gets tiering after a while.

 

Its like that obnoxious town drunk who yells in your face sure he may have something to say. But the way he goes about it is annoying/abrasive so it more often then not falls on deaf ears until some one finally gets fed up with him.

 

Really how many times can we hear how ALL american women are "fat lazy cows" before we get fed up there are more mature ways to express your personal views/opinions after all. And no one would argue them in the least!

 

The same goes for women who would post this way about men all tho I don't remember women being as openly degrading/nasty/disrespectful towards men in recent LS history not to say it hasn't happened but not quite as often ide imagen..

[elaina]

Men are really diverse.

 

To me, LS gives me some insight of how some men think, and I appreciate that, especially since men are so mysterious to me.

[meerkat stew]

Overdramatic much?

 

If I ever do get dramatic, it's in response to posts such as the OP with no basis in fact whatsoever.

 

Again, this is hardly a woman only thing. Check out any thread on penis size or height.

 

Not a valid comparison, as there is nothing at all a man can do about his height or penis size. See my prior post about the guy with no job for the proper comparison.

[MrNate]

To me, when I read what the really bitter men here write, I just feel sad for them. They must feel very rejected and hopeless to project so much venom and hate out into the world.

 

But I don't want to be mean to them on top of all the meanness they've dealt with (as we all have, sure).

 

So I just be myself and hope it might make some people realize that we're not all so bad.

 

Because that's one big reason I'm here. I want to know if men really are that bad. And, you know, they kind of are. But then you realize that you are, too. That we're all human and flawed and we're basically just going to have to find a way to deal with one another. Dammit!

 

Ah yes. Like I've said so many times. When you take a more realistic approach to men/women and take off the idealistic glasses, suddenly your vision becomes 20 20.

[meerkat stew]

I bet he doesn't realize how American men are seen by people in other countries its not in a good light generally speaking they see them as obnoxious rude loud mouths that makes me sad cause I know there are some good ones.

 

That's a myth. American men, both in my personal experience, and things I have read in the past, are very well thought of generally by women in other countries in comparison to men from their own culture.

[SpanksTheMonkey]

That's a myth. American men, both in my personal experience, and things I have read in the past, are very well thought of generally by women in other countries in comparison to men from their own culture.

 

You seriously believe thats a myth? they deal with Americans for the revenue it brings in but don't confuse that with enjoying your company. I've herd many a foreigner say how obnoxious the "yanks" can be its a fact not myth sadly funny how you totally discount it tho..

[meerkat stew]

This kind of insane generalization about women in general and American women as inferior could make a woman think "Wow, American men are just crazy."

 

No one said here that "American women are inferior," what I have said is that a majority of American women have body issues that they feel are their right to inflict on those around them.

[SpanksTheMonkey]

Maybe the only other scenario is third world countries were marrying an American man is a big accomplishment but even there its the security and stability it can bring them that are most appealing aspects prob 90% of the time at least not "your natural american charms"

 

That said if you look at other modern developed countries "yanks" are generally seen as obnoxious I'm sorry to burst your bubble but thats the honest truth..

[meerkat stew]

Are you honestly trying to tell people that disorders such as anorexia which are borne of one's obsession with the way they look have NOTHING to do with looks? If so that is absolutely the most insane statements I've heard in a long time.

 

Having dated several women with eating disorders over the years (how many have you dated btw?), I took some time to read objectively on the topic after awhile. It's about "keeping secrets," camaraderie, rebellion, and competition more than mere appearance. Sorry if you think the truth is so insane. Of course I'm sure all the talk shows characterize it as being about looks, cultural demands, and the demands of men to reinforce a victim mentality.

[meerkat stew]

You seriously believe thats a myth? they deal with Americans for the revenue it brings in but don't confuse that with enjoying your company. I've herd many a foreigner say how obnoxious the "yanks" can be its a fact not myth sadly funny how you totally discount it tho..

 

Here's one study from Oxford University. This is the first one I found, not even one of the ones I've read in the past.

 

http://www.ox.ac.uk/media/news_releases_for_journalists/090803.html

[that girl]

That's a myth. American men, both in my personal experience, and things I have read in the past, are very well thought of generally by women in other countries in comparison to men from their own culture.

Lots of people have no problem with Americans, but the common stereotypes of Americans are that they are loud, obnoxious, self-important and ill travelled.

The only place where you hear women raving about US men is mail order bride websites.

No one said here that "American women are inferior,"

Actually, you did:

I do know that women in other cultures less indulgent of women generally don't have these issues to the degree American women do. I have known lots of women in my life of foreign ethnicity, and they laugh at U.S. women.

 

If you really want to hear a blistering tirade about American women and weight and body issues, don't ask a man, ask a Brazilian or Colombian woman living here about it, then stand back a safe distance because the volume is about to go way up. Even women who come here from elsewhere in the world are sick to death of it and tired of hearing about it, it isn't just men.

 

Having dated several women with eating disorders over the years (how many have you dated btw?), I took some time to read objectively on the topic after awhile. It's about "keeping secrets," camaraderie, rebellion, and competition more than mere appearance. Sorry if you think the truth is so insane. Of course I'm sure all the talk shows characterize it as being about looks, cultural demands, and the demands of men to reinforce a victim mentality.

Eating disoders are not the same as body image issues. Eating disorders involve behaviors like severe restriction of food (anorexia), purging (bulimia), and binge eating (compulsive eating/bulimia). A woman can exhibit none of these behaviors and still have body image issues (or just fish for compliments).

Anorexia can be a reaction to feeling pressure to be perfect, so that could be a form of rebellion. Someone with an eating disorder does keep secrets. Competition/comraderie can have something to do with eating disorders or poor body image but it isn't top of the list.

You do not sound like you have done any reading on the subject, so I will suggest some links:

http://www.something-fishy.org/whatarethey/edordiet.php

http://www.nationaleatingdisorders.org/nedaDir/files/documents/handouts/MediaBI.pdf

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/eating-disorders/complete-index.shtml

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B75DB-4F1GRD9-1&_user=10&_coverDate=03%2F31%2F2005&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_origin=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1458935801&_rerunOrigin=scholar.google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=23ef06abdecf1fb62356ad4c63f36371&searchtype=a

http://www.mindlab.org/images/d/DOC828.pdf

[that girl]

Here's one study from Oxford University. This is the first one I found, not even one of the ones I've read in the past.

 

[COLOR=#660000]http://www.ox.ac.uk/media/news_relea...ts/090803.html[/COLOR]

That study doesn't say what you think it says.

 

The study did not ask what countries' men or women were the most desireable.

 

What the study found was the more egalitarian the society, the more likely men and women were to live together. In places where men did more housework, more women were willing to live with a man.

 

Your logics is faulty is saying that women want to marry men from these more egalitarian countries, the study actually says that within countries how much childcare and housework men do effects whether or not men have a woman in their life. But even if we pretend that logic is valid, the most desireable men in the world would be from Norway and Sweden.

[SpanksTheMonkey]

Here's one study from Oxford University. This is the first one I found, not even one of the ones I've read in the past.

 

http://www.ox.ac.uk/media/news_releases_for_journalists/090803.html

 

Ok and that proves what? that some american men are good guys who will help do the dishes I never argued that. But it doesn't change the fact that in allot of advanced foreign countries yanks are seen as obnoxious.

 

I know this is a fact because I've been at the camp grounds/holiday parks and herd others saying how "obnoxious those loud mouth yanks were" you can bring up as many "studies" as you like but that still stands as a negative stereotype american people tend to have in some other countries. I have nothing to gain from this argument as I'm originally american myself so its a sad fact I also have to deal with..

 

I know it suks as do all negative stereotypes but its there non the less.