Pyro Posted August 13, 2010 Posted August 13, 2010 Because once you are in a relationship it can flourish. Then the games will stop. People refuse to admit that dating is all a game but in the early stages tha'ts exactly what it is so you are saying that to treat them like dirt until you are in a relationship? What makes you think they will stay interested once you stop treating them like dirt? Isn't that what attracted them to you to begin with? It doesn't have to be a game. No act is required. You find a girl who likes you for you. Some girls won't like you and some will.
InceptorsRule Posted August 13, 2010 Posted August 13, 2010 He feels that is the best he can do or he wants one who he has stuff in common with. I can't think of any other reasons why anyone would want something like that. I'll disagree with this please. If obese women are deserving of the full measure of love and respect from men, why aren't psycho girls also deserving of it? Psycho girls are people too.
Pyro Posted August 13, 2010 Posted August 13, 2010 I'll disagree with this please. If obese women are deserving of the full measure of love and respect from men, why aren't psycho girls also deserving of it? Psycho girls are people too. and only psycho guys would be able to put up with a psycho girl and vice versa. No down to earth guy or girl would put up with that.
InceptorsRule Posted August 13, 2010 Posted August 13, 2010 Yeah I work with her though. I don't call her or text her anymore. I know she's attracted to me but she's hung up on the whole work thing. I also tried too hard initially and I think I came off as desperate. How can I salvage this? Or should I? Completely ignore the Target Chick and develop a relationship at work with some other girl that you don't really care about, the "stalking horse," (it doesn't matter who it is) but within full view of Target Chick. You don't even have to really like the stalking horse chick, treat her like sh*t and make sure you use her up sexually, every orifice, in humiliating fashion. Brag about your exploits to your work colleagues. Break her heart. This will all really turn on the Target Chick and then she will come to you. stalk·ing-horse (stôkng-hôrs)n.1. Something used to cover one's true purpose; a decoy. 2. A sham candidate put forward to conceal the candidacy of another or to divide the opposition. 3. a. A horse trained to conceal the hunter while stalking. b. A canvas screen made in the figure of a horse, used for similar concealment.
Mad Max Posted August 13, 2010 Posted August 13, 2010 I'll disagree with this please. If obese women are deserving of the full measure of love and respect from men, why aren't psycho girls also deserving of it? Psycho girls are people too. If you want to deal with the drama, go right ahead. Serial killers are people too. Should we give them love as well?
InceptorsRule Posted August 13, 2010 Posted August 13, 2010 If you want to deal with the drama, go right ahead. Serial killers are people too. Should we give them love as well? Provided that they are also obese women, then the answer to your question would be "yes."
skydiveaddict Posted August 13, 2010 Posted August 13, 2010 so you are saying that to treat them like dirt until you are in a relationship? What makes you think they will stay interested once you stop treating them like dirt? Isn't that what attracted them to you to begin with? It doesn't have to be a game. No act is required. You find a girl who likes you for you. Some girls won't like you and some will. Dirt was a poor choice of words on my part 'aloof might be more accurate. After the relationship begins and you love each other, then it doesnt matter. But unfortunately, to get a girl interested in you, these "games" are sometimes necessary. It's just human nature really. A girl wants a strong ,aggressive mate who will protect and provide. "Nice guys" do not fill this need. Just read all of the the posts about guys who were really nice, but couldn't keep a girl interested.
Thierro Posted August 13, 2010 Posted August 13, 2010 The reason why is in your own answer; because you care. There is only one rule to success; Just don't care what the hell people are telling you. I don't treat girls like crap, I don't play games whatsoever. I treat them the way I want. I give them a chance to get to know ME without any BS. If a girl likes me; great, that shows me she has a very fine taste in men. I admire that in a person. If she rejects me because for any other reason; 1. she has no taste at all 2. is delusional 3. Isn’t very smart.
ascendotum Posted August 13, 2010 Posted August 13, 2010 It's called "nice guy syndrome" Treat a woman with respect, and prudence and you are immediately perceived as weak and undesirable. Walk all over them, treat them like crap and they will perceive you as strong and confident. Then the chase is on. Sad, but a fact of life. I totally agree with this. Many guys who do well with women live by the motto, treat em mean keep em keen. This wont work too well as regards a long term relationship though. Like someone else mentioned, this is just another follow on from that recent 'being an @sshole thread'. The guy in that youtube clip reminded me very much of a couple of good looking guys I knew (one was similar looking to the guy in the clip) and for them getting laid Fri + Sat night was a given. It was so easy they'd experiment with techniques. They would act like totall arrogant jerks to test out women's self respect, more so than the guy in that clip. This was when I first saw negging before I ever read about it. 50-60% of women would call them on it and walk off. The ones that didn't were still very attractive and tended to be young professional career women (I personally think for a lot of career women arrogance is seen as a positive attribute). The guys said they would stay in character and give them the max hardcore treatment in bed. * Proviso (does not apply to all women, just many and to me it seems more so if they are attractive)
Pyro Posted August 13, 2010 Posted August 13, 2010 Dirt was a poor choice of words on my part 'aloof might be more accurate. After the relationship begins and you love each other, then it doesnt matter. But unfortunately, to get a girl interested in you, these "games" are sometimes necessary. It's just human nature really. A girl wants a strong ,aggressive mate who will protect and provide. "Nice guys" do not fill this need. Just read all of the the posts about guys who were really nice, but couldn't keep a girl interested. The typical jerk is too stubborn to ask for advice on women. he thinks he has all the answers. The "nice guy" needs to grow a pair and he'll do fine.
skydiveaddict Posted August 13, 2010 Posted August 13, 2010 so you are saying that to treat them like dirt until you are in a relationship? What makes you think they will stay interested once you stop treating them like dirt? Isn't that what attracted them to you to begin with? It doesn't have to be a game. No act is required. You find a girl who likes you for you. Some girls won't like you and some will. The typical jerk is too stubborn to ask for advice on women. he thinks he has all the answers. The "nice guy" needs to grow a pair and he'll do fine. I agree,there is hope for nice guys but they do need to grow a pair, the typical jerk will also have trouble, remember I said you do need to mix in a little guy once in a while
Pyro Posted August 13, 2010 Posted August 13, 2010 I agree,there is hope for nice guys but they do need to grow a pair, the typical jerk will also have trouble, remember I said you do need to mix in a little guy once in a while but I don't condone having to be a jerk EVER in order to get a woman to like you. It can be done without having to resort to being a jerk.
skydiveaddict Posted August 13, 2010 Posted August 13, 2010 but I don't condone having to be a jerk EVER in order to get a woman to like you. It can be done without having to resort to being a jerk. Like I said before, if you both hit it off right away and the chemistry is there, then I agree. But it's almost never the case.
Pyro Posted August 13, 2010 Posted August 13, 2010 Like I said before, if you both hit it off right away and the chemistry is there, then I agree. But it's almost never the case. and FTR CE and I didn't hit it off right away. We were friends just chatting away BEING OURSELVES and it just happened.
skydiveaddict Posted August 13, 2010 Posted August 13, 2010 and FTR CE and I didn't hit it off right away. We were friends just chatting away BEING OURSELVES and it just happened. Chemistry my friend. Chemistry. It worked for you both You beat the dating equation. You beat the odds. I'm happy for you both. It's rare.
Pyro Posted August 13, 2010 Posted August 13, 2010 Chemistry my friend. Chemistry. It worked for you both You beat the dating equation. You beat the odds. I'm happy for you both. It's rare. We had to make the chemistry. It just wasn't there. We have alot in common and that is a big chunk of how chemistry is made. Anyone can do it. I didn't beat any odds.
skydiveaddict Posted August 13, 2010 Posted August 13, 2010 We had to make the chemistry. It just wasn't there. We have alot in common and that is a big chunk of how chemistry is made. Anyone can do it. I didn't beat any odds. NO you're contradicting yourself. You have a lot in common. You said it yourself. You didn't "make" that, it was already there. You certainly did beat the odds. And not anyone can do it. You cannot manufacture chemistry.
somedude81 Posted August 13, 2010 Posted August 13, 2010 As a nice guy (see my avatar) I don't even know how to treat a girl like dirt. Sure I tease girls and make fun of them but I'm not rude. I fear that if I try to be mean to a girl I'll go way overboard and destroy any interest a girl might of had in me.
SteveC80 Posted August 13, 2010 Posted August 13, 2010 Women will leave a guy once she feels hes not better then her its how women are wired so maybe over niceness makes it seem like shes of higher status then you
Pyro Posted August 13, 2010 Posted August 13, 2010 NO you're contradicting yourself. You have a lot in common. You said it yourself. You didn't "make" that, it was already there. You certainly did beat the odds. And not anyone can do it. You cannot manufacture chemistry. The sexual and mental chemistry have to be there as well. Sure we have things in common but that would have gotten no where if I didn't see her in a sexual way and if her character didn't stimulate me mentally. Maybe you can't manufacture chemistry but treating a woman badly isn't going to help either. Pyro has it right. CE is a very lucky girl . Thank you. I am quite the lucky guy myself.
skydiveaddict Posted August 13, 2010 Posted August 13, 2010 Pyro has it right. CE is a very lucky girl . uh oh, I'm getting shot down INCOMING!
Thierro Posted August 13, 2010 Posted August 13, 2010 One of the reasons that the relationship between CE and Pyro work so well is that because they both have a good healthy self-worth as an individual. This creates attraction.
Pyro Posted August 13, 2010 Posted August 13, 2010 One of the reasons that the relationship between CE and Pyro work so well is that because they both have a good healthy self-worth as an individual. This creates attraction. First time I have heard it explained that way. I like it.
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