Author Woggle Posted January 12, 2010 Author Posted January 12, 2010 Whoa, wait a minute. I'm quite fond of my penis as penises go. However, I'm just as much a fan of clear thinking and writing, which, if this sad Thread is an example, the Angry White Men (AWM) lack. Even a bad idea can be expressed well. More importantly, after being raised by a loving Mother and having a wonderful daughter of my own, I don't view women as the enemy or some foreign bacillus. My Mother, daughter, female colleagues and friends and even ex-lovers are not the enemy. They're simply human beings who want live to their potential without violence or discrimination. That's not too much to ask, is it? When bitter, paranoid AWMs politicize their inadequacies there's often Hell to pay. But do you even acknowledge that some men go through drama in our relationships and that it isn't as cut and dry as men=bad and women=good.
thegreatmoose Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 More importantly, after being raised by a loving Mother and having a wonderful daughter of my own, I don't view women as the enemy or some foreign bacillus. My Mother, daughter, female colleagues and friends and even ex-lovers are not the enemy. They're simply human beings who want live to their potential without violence or discrimination. That's not too much to ask, is it? Excellent post!
thegreatmoose Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 That's funny since I hear my female coworkers male bashing all the time and nobody cares. You say you don't hate men but you think that we deserve it if we are cheated on and mistreated. This is what I mean when I say women do not want to admit they hate men. You just get done saying that men are just getting their just desserts when we are treated badly but then say you are not anti-male. You are making things up. She never said any of this. When you do that, how can I trust what you write? You claim your female coworkers male bash all the time. Really?
lord alfred douglas Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 Whoa, wait a minute. I'm quite fond of my penis as penises go. However, I'm just as much a fan of clear thinking and writing, which, if this sad Thread is an example, the Angry White Men (AWM) lack. Even a bad idea can be expressed well. More importantly, after being raised by a loving Mother and having a wonderful daughter of my own, I don't view women as the enemy or some foreign bacillus. My Mother, daughter, female colleagues and friends and even ex-lovers are not the enemy. They're simply human beings who want live to their potential without violence or discrimination. That's not too much to ask, is it? When bitter, paranoid AWMs politicize their inadequacies there's often Hell to pay. I dont see why they should be allowed to live without violence when they arouse such violent emotions in men.
Author Woggle Posted January 12, 2010 Author Posted January 12, 2010 I have to two coworkers who are both cheating on their men and brag about to each other all day acting as if they are both feminists striking back at the patriarchy. They get downright filthy sometimes with the details and one time I asked my boss and he told me that these laws only apply to men.
grogster Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 But do you even acknowledge that some men go through drama in our relationships and that it isn't as cut and dry as men=bad and women=good. Absolutely. Life is not black and white. I like men; I'm one. Hell, as a divorced guy I happily live alone in my perfect man cave. I simply responded negatively to efforts to demonize entire groups, which some posters have done. And the women, at least on your Thread have not defamed men; rather, it's been certain male posters who have attacked women. As for currying female favor, here. That hasn't happened. I'm not popular with the Shacker women. Come to think of it, I'm just not popular here. Enough about me. It's your thread and your life. Live it as you choose, but, please, avoid doing harm. Later.
meerkat stew Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 I have to two coworkers who are both cheating on their men and brag about to each other all day acting as if they are both feminists striking back at the patriarchy. That's the flip side of the coin, institutionalized misandry has bred such a privileged, dishonest attitude, that they can rationalize and justify any behavior as long as it can be rationalized as retribution for some imagined past wrongs. This is the result of politically institutionalized misandry.
meerkat stew Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 Oh so your grandfathers, uncles and father were merely cheating slave drivers then? And thus my attempt at dialogue with the unrepentant misandrist concludes.
thegreatmoose Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 That's the flip side of the coin, institutionalized misandry has bred such a privileged, dishonest attitude, that they can rationalize and justify any behavior as long as it can be rationalized as retribution for some imagined past wrongs. This is the result of politically institutionalized misandry. Do you know what the word "misandrist" means? Clearly, the answer is "no" based on your posts.
meerkat stew Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 Do you know what the word "misandrist" means? Clearly, the answer is "no" based on your posts. Do tell, can't wait to hear.
tami-chan Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 Do you know what the word "misandrist" means? Clearly, the answer is "no" based on your posts. Do tell, can't wait to hear. hehe....
donnamaybe Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 Grogster should realize that hating his own gender will not get him any special treatment from women. Oh, here we go again. "Grogster acts like he hates men so the women will love him." Your type pulls that BS out EVERY time he makes a sane statement that doesn't agree with your mysoginistic ones. All anyone with half an f'ing brain is saying is to take PEOPLE at face value, whether they be male OR female, for how THAT PERSON treats others. But no - YOUR type prefers to hate EVERYONE (the same as a few others on this thread who blather on and on and on incessantly, pulling out their MS Word thesaurus and stopping to Google a mysoginist website from time to time in a vain attempt to appear intelligent).
meerkat stew Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 But no - YOUR type prefers to hate EVERYONE (the same as a few others on this thread who blather on and on and on incessantly, pulling out their MS Word thesaurus and stopping to Google a mysoginist website from time to time in a vain attempt to appear intelligent). Don't want to speak directly to me? just offer insults? I don't blame you for obvious reasons. I use a thesaurus all the time, but never to post on a relationship forum. My posts here are only in second gear actually, quite casual, I have to get paid to go into third or fourth gear and expend any real effort. My last long post took 20-30 minutes to write and was of course not spellchecked. Just because there obviously aren't many intelligent people in your social circle, don't assume we don't exist.
grogster Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 Oh, here we go again. "Grogster acts like he hates men so the women will love him." Your type pulls that BS out EVERY time he makes a sane statement that doesn't agree with your mysoginistic ones. All anyone with half an f'ing brain is saying is to take PEOPLE at face value, whether they be male OR female, for how THAT PERSON treats others. But no - YOUR type prefers to hate EVERYONE (the same as a few others on this thread who blather on and on and on incessantly, pulling out their MS Word thesaurus and stopping to Google a mysoginist website from time to time in a vain attempt to appear intelligent). Donna, why bother? What's most offensive about the "Grogster disagrees with our mind numbing, stomach churning sexism to curry favor with women" charge is that it assumes, in paternalistic fashion, that female Shackers require a man to battle on their behalf. Not. What BS. The best written and argued posts on this Sodini Thread have all come from women: you, Taramere, Poker Face. I simply joined the fray because bad writing and toxic beliefs (all of which can be found in abundance here) occasionally provoke me.
threebyfate Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 It sounds like you seek out the worst case in people in order to perpetuate your own issues and dramas.This isn't unusual for childhood abuse victims to recreate an abusive environment, hence why they're attracted to abusive partners or "create" an abusive partner, by ramping up the drama. Refer to victims of domestic abuse. It's where Woggle's comfort zone lies.
donnamaybe Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 Don't want to speak directly to me? just offer insults? I don't blame you for obvious reasons. I use a thesaurus all the time, but never to post on a relationship forum. My posts here are only in second gear actually, quite casual, I have to get paid to go into third or fourth gear and expend any real effort. My last long post took 20-30 minutes to write and was of course not spellchecked. Just because there obviously aren't many intelligent people in your social circle, don't assume we don't exist. Ha haaaa!!!!! Now why in the world would you assume I am speaking about you when I say, "...a few others on this thread who blather on and on and on incessantly, pulling out their MS Word thesaurus and stopping to Google a mysoginist website from time to time in a vain attempt to appear intelligent." :lmao: That was f'ing HILARIOUS! Thanks for the laugh!!!
Stockalone Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 (edited) Yup and when I do everything in my power to fight this I am the bad guy. It doesn't matter if a man is the kindest and most faithful man on the planet because he will still be seen as a figurhead of the patriarchy and when women are angry they will turn on him like any other man. I would rather be the scumbag that women think men are because there is more freedom in that. Women will betray me no matter what so might as well have some fun with it. As I said previously, I can understand why you find it so difficult to trust women. I guess it's the fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me! approach. If you'd fully trust a woman again, you'd be vulnerable and you'd give her the power to crush you. And if she abused your trust and the power you have given her, like other women before her did, you'd either hate yourself for being a fool or you'd completely lose it. I can understand that. I don't even think that's problematic if you are some lonely guy sitting in front of his computer, venting or feeling sorry for himself. IF (and that is a big if), you have thought that through and that perspective and having your guard up is what you need to survive, so be it. That is why a player lifestyle is so appealing for you at first glance. You'd have the power, the women couldn't hurt you because there'd be no real, deep feelings for these women. The thing is, you are not single and you aren't sleeping with women who know that you are just looking to get laid and nothing more. You are married! Sure, your wife married you the way you are. But, she doesn't know everything that goes on in your head. How you think nearly all women are not trustworthy, how you sometimes regret that you didn't have more time to be a player, etc.. Also, in regards to the situation with your friend. You have been the one telling him how he should be a player, how he should be the one to "strike first". I don't even think you should be surprised that the first thing he did was to hit on your wife. Don't get me wrong, it was a rotten thing to do. But that is exactly what players and *********s do. They don't care about how they effect other people's lifes. That's something to think about when you tell other men to treat women that way. And as far as your wife is concerned, I really don't know how you do it. How do you reconcile having a good woman as your wife and on the other hand you are so distrusting of other women, thinking that nearly all women are like the two women you work with? You say you keep all that (the distrust, the regrets about the player life,etc.) hidden and thus away from your wife. But we have seen that isn't true. Your thoughts do create problems in your marriage. You must see that too. Just look at what happened with your friend and how you got into a fight over it with your wife. Don't you think your wife deserves more? Can you honestly tell me that what you do is the best you can do for your marriage? Maybe it's the best you can do for yourself, but you are not alone anymore. You also have to think about your wife here. With that, I don't mean you should turn a blind eye to what the women you work with are doing. What they do is despicable. But your wife has shown you that she isn't like them, otherwise you wouldn't have married her. And I also don't think you should turn into a man that follows his wife's lead like a spineless drone without thinking. Doubt her if you must when she gives you reason to be suspicious, but only then and not before. I don't know how other men think, but it made me sick to my stomach when I felt like I had reason not to trust someone I care about. It's a horrible feeling and it ate away at me. Maybe your capability to compartmentalize is that good, though I doubt it. You have often said that you are the way you are because you have to. I don't think you like it. And now you have a chance, maybe a once in a lifetime chance that many guys never get. You are already married to a good woman (despite your issues) and the best you can do with this marriage is being careless. Because that it what it looks like it from my point of view. I understand that you can't fully embrace it yet because it seems too risky. I can really understand that. Opening up and being vulnerable is dangerous. But don't you want to have hope again that not all women are evil? Not all of them are, and your wife is the best help you can get to make you understand that and help you get back that more positive view on life. That is why it sometimes really pisses me off when you then turn around and claim that men are better off as players. I don't know how you met your wife. Did Woggle the player meet her and she wanted to marry the player who doesn't care about women? Or did the Woggle who still believes that there are good women out there meet her and that is who she wanted to marry? Edited January 12, 2010 by Stockalone
alsanc Posted January 18, 2010 Posted January 18, 2010 Do you really need to ask if there is misandry in our society? Want proof? Enter the search term "men's rights" in a google search box. I get 67,700,000 hits. Millions of men are online now talking about the lack of men's rights in society and government because of the widespread misandry! Do an online search and you'll get a lot of websites now for men who are talking about solutions to the misandry and the anti-male sentiment in our society and in our government. One of the reactions to the misandry is our society is that a lot of men in our society have abandoned the idea of traditional courtship and marriage for a safer approach to women. Many men have now awakened to the fact that marriage for men is a dangerous economic trap due to the anti-male misandric divorce laws, so many men have turned to no-strings-attached adult dating services for non-traditional non-courtship dating relationships. These adult dating relationships provide men with the companionship all human beings need without the burden of a monogamous marriage where the anti-male family court can enter into at any moment the women chooses. The lastest phenomenon I've seen as a reaction to the pervasive misandry in our country is exemplified by Marc Rudov's website where he advocates more economic equality for men in dating. Essentially, Marc Rudov's premise is that men and women as equals should also share the expense of dates on an equal basis. This shows more respect for each partner in the dating relationship.
Nikki Sahagin Posted January 18, 2010 Posted January 18, 2010 Woggle, I would count myself as the female version of you. I have a LOT of issues with men which affect me deeply. I've never been sexually abused as such but have been treated very badly by several men in my life. As such I am quite hard and rejecting of them and when a man is nice/kind to me I expect the worst of him. I am untrusting toward the majority of men except my male friends and brother. Ironically, my father was abandoned by his mother (as i'm assuming happened to you from what i've read?). He always expects the worst of my mother although she is honestly a saint. I've seen this over the years and it has in turn affected MY view of men. So if you have children, especially a daughter, be careful, or they will learn your hatred/fear.
Author Woggle Posted January 18, 2010 Author Posted January 18, 2010 My mother did much worse than abandon me. If she abandoned me to be raised by crackheads I probably would have been better off. I admit I am just waiting for my wife to betray me because no woman is this good to a man just because she loves him. I am sorry but women do not love men in this manner. There is always an ulterior motive but i can't figure out her motivation for being in this marriage.
Payden Posted January 18, 2010 Posted January 18, 2010 There is always an ulterior motive but i can't figure out her motivation for being in this marriage. What kind of car do you drive?..... Seriously...your wife is not your mother... Your wife loves you man(apparently).... don't ruin it.
Nikki Sahagin Posted January 18, 2010 Posted January 18, 2010 My mother did much worse than abandon me. If she abandoned me to be raised by crackheads I probably would have been better off. I admit I am just waiting for my wife to betray me because no woman is this good to a man just because she loves him. I am sorry but women do not love men in this manner. There is always an ulterior motive but i can't figure out her motivation for being in this marriage. I think you've been conditioned to feel/think this way because of whatever happened with your mother. They say that partners are often parental substitutes and so the anxieties in the parental relationship if unresolved are passed onto the partner. Why are you with your wife if you do not trust her? Do you have an alterior motive in being with her?
Satisfaction Posted January 18, 2010 Posted January 18, 2010 I hate men who pretend to be good and they are crap, I hate men who pretend they care when they don't, I hate men who apologise for being crap butt do nothing to change, I hate men who boast about being crap admit its bad but do nothing to change, I hate men who take advantage of those who they deem vunerable, etc The rest I don't mind really! They are just the same as women, just human really
Author Woggle Posted January 18, 2010 Author Posted January 18, 2010 When we first married I really thought that I found a good woman who I could trust and truly loved me for me but the more I observe women the more I see that those women do not exist. Women are simply out for themselves and only care about a man if it will benefit them. It almost makes me want to marry a gold digger because than I at least know why she is here but I am utterly clueless as to why my wife is in this marriage.
Nikki Sahagin Posted January 18, 2010 Posted January 18, 2010 When we first married I really thought that I found a good woman who I could trust and truly loved me for me but the more I observe women the more I see that those women do not exist. Women are simply out for themselves and only care about a man if it will benefit them. It almost makes me want to marry a gold digger because than I at least know why she is here but I am utterly clueless as to why my wife is in this marriage. Woggle, your wife is not other women. I do the same with men. I think 'all men do this' and lump my partners in that category but it is not always the case. We do live in a world where people are selfish and use one another but I do believe love can exist in that world. Do you love your wife?
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