Citizen Drawn Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 I'm not denigrating the amount as much as stating that being a professional gambler, isn't the way to keep $170K for part of your retirement plan. Have you read anything he's said? The 170K is not his bankroll. He's a well managed pro. I can't help luck. But then, I also believe you create your own opportunities. That's what networking is all about, as long as you've got the background to back it up. Do you think this $170K came out of luck or making the right choices and creating his own opportunities? I also wonder about your lack of humility, I think your attitude borders on narcissistic.
Trialbyfire Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 I have a number of friends who are equally "successful", some more "successful" than I am. Some are trust fund babies, others are completely self-made. It's not a big deal. As for humility, you're suggesting I act in a particular fashion to make others feel good about themselves? Why? I hate false modesty and humility. It's worse than anything else and is only an attempt to solicit compliments. I am who I am sb and will not be apologetic about it. If anything, I'm going to encourage people that the world is their oyster and it is, as long as they don't limit themselves. The only people holding anyone down, is themselves.
sb129 Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 No, I am suggesting you open your mind a bit to see that opportunities can be in places where you personally wouldn't look for them (or even be interested in looking for them) nevertheless they are not bad opportunities. One mans oyster may be another mans sea urchin- and vice versa, but neither are wrong provided they are both happy with their respective shellfish choices.
Trialbyfire Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 I agree there are a million opportunities. I disagree that becoming a professional gambler is one of them. This is my opinion, as solicited by the OP. If he didn't want women's opinions, he shouldn't have asked. That others feel the same way, isn't my problem or burden to bear.
Author kahn2154 Posted July 28, 2009 Author Posted July 28, 2009 I'm not denigrating the amount as much as stating that being a professional gambler, isn't the way to keep $170K for part of your retirement plan. He lives at home so he has no bills beyond the very few he's stated. Real life is going to hit him when he can least afford it, if he remains a professional gambler. His parents won't be around for the rest of his life, to support his gambling occupation. Besides rent, I have fully supported myself and haven't relied on my parents at all since my freshman year of college. Yes, I still do live with them but I pay for everything on my own from clothes/food/etc. If you want to get technical, I've given them thousands of dollars for various things they needed, so if you want to count that as rent money then I have had expenses. My parents are pretty much low middle class or maybe even lower, and really haven't supported me much ever, unfortunately I do not have a trust fund to fall back on like some people.
Thornton Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 ISo I'm just wondering is this a huge turnoff? From what I gathered (because I've never had a gf) the early 20's/teen crowd (college basically) would think this would cool, but I could see how someone older than that would be more into a career man. I would say yes, it is a turn off, for me anyway. It doesn't suggest someone with a good education and it isn't exactly stable - your income could cease overnight and you wouldn't be qualified for anything. I can see how younger girls might find it cool and they might like your money, but older women may think of it as a unstable occupation with an unreliable salary which is therefore unsuitable for raising a family. I'd go with the suggestion of putting some money into assets, maybe into your own business.
Trialbyfire Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 Besides rent, I have fully supported myself and haven't relied on my parents at all since my freshman year of college. Yes, I still do live with them but I pay for everything on my own from clothes/food/etc. If you want to get technical, I've given them thousands of dollars for various things they needed, so if you want to count that as rent money then I have had expenses. My parents are pretty much low middle class or maybe even lower, and really haven't supported me much ever, unfortunately I do not have a trust fund to fall back on like some people.Do you pay your portion of utilities, property taxes, house repairs/maintenance, etc? Being a home owner is not cheap. I do have a trust fund but I don't need it. It will go to my children or if god forbid, something prevents me from having children, it goes to my nephews. I've got enough without it, to never have to work another day in my life, as long as I continue to live in a fiscally responsible fashion. That I continue to grow my retirement savings, due to continuing to work hard, will ensure that my retirement is comfortable.
Jilly Bean Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 I've given them thousands of dollars for various things they needed You're a good son, Kahn. I like this. Keep in mind, that despite what others may want you to believe, you don't need a resume to get a great job. Someone with your skill set could walk into a think tank and get a very high paying, and challenging job. Have you read the book about the boys from MIT who did the card counting? Or, heard about the kids who hack into the Pentagon and then end up getting a job with them? lol Possessing strong math skills and having a strategic mind is far more transferrable and attractive to many employers than having a 90-page resume that's most likely intensely fabricated. I think if, and when, you chose to get out of full-time gambling, you will have more options that you think. You could end up working for a gaming hotel being in charge of revenue management.
tanbark813 Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 How often are they true? More often than not. I honestly have no idea how often they are true. Again, my point was that it doesn't necessarily take a lot of money to start a successful business. For some businesses, $170K is far more than plenty. With all your semantic twists even you can't argue against that. You assume that an online poker player who's been doing only poker playing, with no job or business expertise, can market a start up?. No, YOU assume that I assume that. I never said that. See above. Maybe he can, maybe he can't. It also depends on the business. You're still failing to grasp my point. Definition difference. I see engineers as civil/structural/electrical engineers. The Tech industry and startups have many titles that differ. The only difference is that those industries have been around much longer. Software engineering is much younger and is currently evolving much more rapidly--I would imagine in large part due to its youth and the state of technology as a whole--but is no less "real".
tanbark813 Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 Possessing strong math skills and having a strategic mind is far more transferrable and attractive to many employers than having a 90-page resume that's most likely intensely fabricated. This is true. I've met very talented engineers who had a degree in something other than computer science.
Trialbyfire Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 I honestly have no idea how often they are true. Again, my point was that it doesn't necessarily take a lot of money to start a successful business. For some businesses, $170K is far more than plenty. With all your semantic twists even you can't argue against that.My point was for established businesses. Startups are a whole 'nother beast and for that matter, not all startups are software firms, therefore, will have a helluva greater burn rate, than some. No, YOU assume that I assume that. I never said that. See above. Maybe he can, maybe he can't. It also depends on the business. You're still failing to grasp my point. I understand what you're trying to say. The only problem is that it's not applicable in this case, since we're talking about the OP, an OP who has no skills beyond gambling online. The only difference is that those industries have been around much longer. Software engineering is much younger and is currently evolving much more rapidly--I would imagine in large part due to its youth and the state of technology as a whole--but is no less "real".As previously stated, a definition difference. Take that any way you want. It's moot to me.
tanbark813 Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 I understand what you're trying to say. The only problem is that it's not applicable in this case, since we're talking about the OP, an OP who has no skills beyond gambling online. Really? You know him that well already? As previously stated, a definition difference. Take that any way you want. It's moot to me. You can't make a claim like that and then say it's moot to you. It was YOUR claim. So, please, how does software engineering differ from "real" engineering?
Trialbyfire Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 Really? You know him that well already?Why don't you tell me what kind of expertise he has, from an on-the-job experience perspective? What could he put on a CV? You can't make a claim like that and then say it's moot to you. It was YOUR claim. So, please, how does software engineering differ from "real" engineering?It's moot to me and I'm not going to get into an off-topic wrangle with you, over something meaningless.
tanbark813 Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 Why don't you tell me what kind of expertise he has, from an on-the-job experience perspective? What could he put on a CV? I don't know. I never said I did. But somehow you seem to know what he can and can't list. It's moot to me and I'm not going to get into an off-topic wrangle with you, over something meaningless. You won't get into it because you don't know what the f**k you're talking about. And don't blame it on being off-topic. You've (we've) been off-topic for several pages now.
sb129 Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 Kahn went to college. He didn't start online gaming straight out of high school. He still has many doors open if he wants to change or start a career, 23 is still young enough to go to grad school if he wants to. Hell, I wish I had had $170K when I was 23, one of the reasons why I didn't end up in a more specialist area in my field was because it would have meant three more years of university to get my masters at $20K a year. If I had had that kind of money, I would have graduated debt free and then walked into a well paying job. As it is I have a well paying job, but it took a looooong time to pay off the undergrad degree.
sb129 Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 And I have friends who are only just starting said post grad qualifications after years of working to pay off that initial degree- so age doesn't really matter.
Trialbyfire Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 I don't know. I never said I did. But somehow you seem to know what he can and can't list.Well, if you don't know, then what the hell are you talking about? One thing is fairly certain. He doesn't have a very long adult CV reflecting his work experience in anything beyond online gambling. This is what he should be building on, besides online gambling. Having a future ambition, then working towards this goal by ramping up to it. You won't get into it because you don't know what the f**k you're talking about. And don't blame it on being off-topic. You've (we've) been off-topic for several pages now.Whatever...
Trialbyfire Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 Kahn went to college. He didn't start online gaming straight out of high school. He still has many doors open if he wants to change or start a career, 23 is still young enough to go to grad school if he wants to. Hell, I wish I had had $170K when I was 23, one of the reasons why I didn't end up in a more specialist area in my field was because it would have meant three more years of university to get my masters at $20K a year. If I had had that kind of money, I would have graduated debt free and then walked into a well paying job. As it is I have a well paying job, but it took a looooong time to pay off the undergrad degree.Aarrgggghhhh...that's what I'm trying to get him to do, is to work towards a better future, rather than gambling!!!!!! Will you people read what I've written previously or is everyone just focused on the last few posts, then jumping my arse? As a woman, this would be what I have looked for in the past, someone who's secure or with some real potential, as a younger person.
tanbark813 Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 Aarrgggghhhh...that's what I'm trying to get him to do, is to work towards a better future, rather than gambling!!!!!! Will you people read what I've written previously or is everyone just focused on the last few posts, then jumping my arse? People are reading what you've written. And we're "jumping your arse" because you can't back up your claims and every time you're proven wrong you try to deflect the argument or turn it into something it's not. As a woman, this would be what I have looked for in the past, someone who's secure or with some real potential, as a younger person. I'm no woman but I think anyone who can stash away $170K at 23 years of age has, at the very least, some real potential.
Trialbyfire Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 People are reading what you've written. And we're "jumping your arse" because you can't back up your claims and every time you're proven wrong you try to deflect the argument or turn it into something it's not.It appears to me that's what you're doing tanbark. Project much? I've stated my position and opinion about gambling as a career. And no, I wouldn't consider a gambler for all the previous reasons stated. I'm no woman but I think anyone who can stash away $170K at 23 years of age has, at the very least, some real potential.I am a woman and I don't see it that way. Of course your criteria for a male partner, would differ from mine.
carhill Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 Hey, OP, a couple of tips from an oldster... 1. Good on ya for being a responsible son. That's good karma that will come back to you manifold. 2. If you like your parent's neighborhood and it is stable, slowly buy up the houses as they come on the market; in most places in the US housing is distressed now and people still need a place to live. What you know (your neighborhood) is a good place to start. Learn to do things with your hands. Being a landlord is a real flexible job and they ain't making any more dirt. That can work for you (it has for me) even with social anxiety (which I have had some of most of my life). 3. Fuggetabout dating girls for awhile. Especially the kind who want to get married. They'll suck you dry. Keep doin' what you do and never be afraid to learn somethin' new....
sb129 Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 He is asking "would his career be a turnoff?", not "what should I do with my life to change how people perceive me?" I agree with Tan- so what if he is gambling now and has no plans to change that in the near future. He is clearly successful in his chosen field. If he is still gambling in 10 years time, then given the info he has given us already, he should be absolutely rolling in it, he isn't a person who chases losses, and knows the difference between "money" and "bankroll"- Kahn strikes me as the sort of person who will, as soon as poker stops being a lucrative enterprise for him, bail out and turn his hand to something else.
Citizen Drawn Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 Aarrgggghhhh...that's what I'm trying to get him to do, is to work towards a better future, rather than gambling!!!!!! Will you people read what I've written previously or is everyone just focused on the last few posts, then jumping my arse?. You're not the only one. "It's cool that you're making money from poker, I just think you should invest a little time in something else for the future. Here's why:...." This is what MANY people have said. I'd agree that it's a good idea, however it's pretty damn obvious he's already thinking along those lines buy suggesting he wants to start a business (note that you've kicked him in the teeth on this one by suggesting the money he's earned which is a LOT of money, is basically chickenfeed). --------------------------- This is the essence of what you've said: You SHOULD be paving your way for the future, otherwise you are are going to end up killing yourself gambling and lose all your money. Look at me I am a EVP, I know what I'm talking about. And buy the way, you're a parasite for living with your parents, you're going to struggle when they won't support you, and the most you can ever do business wise is buy an ice cream van. Do you really not understand why quite a few people are taking issue with you on this thread? You're not being helpful, just downright judgemental and lording it over. . I think the most poignant response was when he informed you that he was supporting his parents with his poker earnings after you (a trust fund kid) had given him both barrels about living with them.
Trialbyfire Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 He is asking "would his career be a turnoff?", not "what should I do with my life to change how people perceive me?"His career would be a total turn-off for me, as defined by my previously stated reasons including being run around the block about 60 times to Sunday, by assorted members who prefer not to read what I've stated or choose to deliberately misunderstand it, or just choose to attack. That is all.
tanbark813 Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 It appears to me that's what you're doing tanbark. Project much? Not really, no. I've answered whatever has been asked of me and backed up my opinions. You cannot say the same for yourself.
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