The Pick Up Artist

[Taramere]

It's time.

 

Ladies. Picture the scene. You're in a bar having a drink with a few friends. The group of you haven't got together in a while. You're there for a catch-up, but a couple of you are single women and nobody's averse to the notion of the singles meeting a suitable gentlemen.

 

Suddenly there's a bit of a commotion at the door. The sound of bouncers debating whether or not to let a particular group in. You can hear raised voices and dropped names (one of the group is the friend of a friend of a co-owner of the bar). After a brief scuffle, the group makes its entrance.

 

These are the eminent pick up artists of our generation. The one who looks like a stork who escaped from an oil slick is Mystery. The lizard-suited bald one next to him is Neil Strauss - writer of The Game.

 

Are you tempted? Would it ruin your night if this group did not head in your direction? What would it take for you to go home with one of these men? If you had to choose, which one would it be and why?

[thewingwoman]

I won't lie. From watching the show and reading the books, I'd probably end up falling for one or two of the techniques. However, I'd like to think I'm not as naive as most of the women I've seen them feature on the show.

 

I can't say what it would take for me to go home with any of them. But my best guess would be a roofie, at minimum.

 

But I will definitely say that these guys do seem to prove that someone not so very attractive can pull good looking women...

[Trialbyfire]

Mystery walks like a female dom catwalk model!

 

Neil Strauss looks like he'd slither, with or without the lizard suit.

 

In either case, I wouldn't even bother talking to either one if they tried to chat me up, even if it's just a friendly convo.

[Taramere]

So what do you think is the secret of their success, wingwoman? Is it the "wanna see a magic trick?" line, is it the negging...or is it simply the fact that they're making an effort to talk to women, and sometimes they get lucky?

 

I'm holding out for the one in the white shirt whose head appears somewhere between Mystery's shoulder and the top of Neil Strauss's head. His face has that combination of friendliness, hopefulness and thinly concealed desperation that I tend to fall for.

 

The one dressed all in black isn't interested in women at all. He's just fresh for a fight, I think. The one behind him would much rather be at his computer, but he's game to try anything once.

 

TBF - that's exactly what I thought about Mystery. Even though it's a still picture, you can see the seductive hipsway. Must be the platform boots that make him walk that way.

[Island Girl]

The only women this crap works on are really young women with really low self esteem and who are kind of dumb.

 

They aren't women who anyone can have a real fulfilling relationship with and the attention boost their self esteem momentarily so the PUA preys upon that and sleeps with them.

Afterward the woman feels like crap when (typically) she walks home in the morning.

 

These guys are the ones who NEVER got dates in any of their early years.

They sat at home and fantasized about women sexually -- and only ever got that far. The sex fantasy.

They have never had any kind of a relationship or even a date with a woman usually.

They use these stupid "moves" to have sex with needy women.

They can't relate to a woman on any other level. They have no conversation skills and can not begin (let alone sustain) a relationship.

 

Hence Mystery saying he has never been able to find or have a gratifying meaningful relationship, suffering from severe depression, and rumored to have tried committing suicide on a couple of occasions.

 

We are going to have an entire group of guys in their later years who lament that they are alone and can't date. They don't know how to even begin actually to have a conversation with a woman about real stuff and can't find the kind of woman they want to have a relationship with anywhere.

[Trialbyfire]

And what about the ghastly paisley shirt man, with the white pants and the sunglasses on top of his head?

 

The Barnum and Bailey, three ring circus music, has been playing in my head since seeing the pic!

[Island Girl]

And what about the ghastly paisley shirt man, with the white pants and the sunglasses on top of his head?

 

The Barnum and Bailey, three ring circus music, has been playing in my head since seeing the pic!

 

No seriously TBF -- my fav is the stupid goggles (like old aviator goggles - HUGE!) that "Mystery" wears on his hat sometimes.

 

OMG these guys are such douche bags.

 

And the worst thing is you have the copy cat douches who PAY for his information (and others) that regurgitate these "moves" like it is their new bible.

They do not even realize what tools they really are.

 

I love the guys that are here on LS saying they have now "figured all this stuff out" and they are just regurgitating this crap. :lmao::lmao::lmao:

[Taramere]

Hence Mystery saying he has never been able to find or have a gratifying meaningful relationship, suffering from severe depression, and rumored to have tried committing suicide on a couple of occasions.

 

Yeah - I read The Game, and Neil Strauss (who seems like a fairly decent, thoughtful guy behind all the nonsense) seemed to have him pegged as an extreme narcissist with all the highs and lows that entails.

 

And what about the ghastly paisley shirt man, with the white pants and the sunglasses on top of his head?

 

He should have kept the sunglasses on his face. He's got a look of ghastly panic in his eyes. More like the hunted than the hunter. The one behind him has a look of determination. "I'm gonna neg, and it's gonna be hilarious so there suckas."

 

But the eye is always drawn back to Mystery. Is that a cigar he's holding? Looks as though the terror struck paisley shirt guy is holding one too.

[kizik]

I feel like I've wandered into the women's restroom, a smelly place fully of whimsy. I'm leaving now.

[thewingwoman]

So what do you think is the secret of their success, wingwoman? Is it the "wanna see a magic trick?" line, is it the negging...or is it simply the fact that they're making an effort to talk to women, and sometimes they get lucky?

 

I'm holding out for the one in the white shirt whose head appears somewhere between Mystery's shoulder and the top of Neil Strauss's head. His face has that combination of friendliness, hopefulness and thinly concealed desperation that I tend to fall for.

 

The one dressed all in black isn't interested in women at all. He's just fresh for a fight, I think. The one behind him would much rather be at his computer, but he's game to try anything once.

 

TBF - that's exactly what I thought about Mystery. Even though it's a still picture, you can see the seductive hipsway. Must be the platform boots that make him walk that way.

 

My personal theory is that if you approach 10 women in a night, atleast 2 of them will respond to you in atleast a polite way. I think most of their success comes from actually taking the initiative to talk to women in general, and their confidence levels. It's hard not to talk to a guy that comes off like he knows who he is, and is generally interested in holding a conversation to you. While I realize that these guys are NOT interested in holding meaningful conversations with these women, they're really good at coming off as though they are. (The 'exotic dancer' episode comes to mind here.)

 

As was said, most of the women they do pick up likely have low self-esteem and are just flattered that they've been approached.

 

In regards to their pick-up lines... it's not the line, it's the delivery. I actually had a guy use the 'did you see the fight outside' line. I actually ended up talking to him for a while, but only because he was honest when I called him out on using a line from that show. lol. I did not, however, give him my phone number or anything beyond that humorous conversation.

 

As an ACTUAL wingwoman myself, sure, the lines and techniques work on some people... but it's all about delivery. It has to do with your timing, and if you must use a general line, you have got to go into it in a joking manner. But the best technique is to actually discuss something you are obviously both interested in (the band at the club, a football game playing at the sports bar, a dart game going on in the corner... provided she's actually paying attention to the same), or to mention something specific about her (the 'your tag is flipped out of your shirt' line has been pretty popular... its especially effective if it's true, haha)... I've never been a big fan of the 'magic tricks' but having something unique about you, be it what you say or how you look, will definitely make a huge difference.

[Island Girl]

I feel like I've wandered into the women's restroom, a smelly place fully of whimsy. I'm leaving now.

 

Women's restrooms don't smell. :bunny:

 

kizik? You don't want to weigh in on these self proclaimed "PUAs" and their transparent tactics?

Awwwwwwwww.

[Island Girl]

TBF - that's exactly what I thought about Mystery. Even though it's a still picture, you can see the seductive hipsway. Must be the platform boots that make him walk that way.

 

Sorry but there is nothing seductive about Mystery. His man jewelry is ghastly and his taste in apparel is anything but flattering or fashionable.

 

The ONE nice thing I can find to say is he has nice teeth.

 

C'mon! He is like 6'6" and weighs a buck fifty and change.

 

With platform boots on I'd be afraid he'd poke an eye out with one of those boney hips!!! Blecht!!!!!!

[Taramere]

As was said, most of the women they do pick up likely have low self-esteem and are just flattered that they've been approached.

 

One time I was outside a bar with friends, and we were approached by the strangest gathering of men ever. I think I mentioned this recently on the board. It was so obviously a group who'd come fresh from a seminar about meeting women. We were supportive (they were obviously nervous) but curious, because these guys so obviously didn't have a strong bond of friendship with eachother - and we wanted to know what it was that had brought them all together.

 

They were incredibly evasive about that. One of us asked "have you all been on some sort of course together?" and they exchanged glances then one said "yeah" but they wouldn't elaborate on what kind of course. "Was it a course about learning to talk to women?" They panicked, removed themselves from us and we saw them on the other side of the pavement with a whole load of other guys, watching us and conferring. I didn't see anyone who looked like a stork in amongst them, but perhaps Mystery doesn't travel well.

 

As an ACTUAL wingwoman myself

 

Okay - hang on. You're a wingwoman? So what's the motivation for fulfilling that role? I'm not asking in any kind of berating way. I'm just genuinely curious about what you'd get personally out of helping guys to pick women up.

[Island Girl]

I didn't see anyone who looked like a stork in amongst them

 

:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:

 

 

Okay - hang on. You're a wingwoman? So what's the motivation for fulfilling that role? I'm not asking in any kind of berating way. I'm just genuinely curious about what you'd get personally out of helping guys to pick women up.

 

I was going to ask the same thing.

[Woggle]

This stuff actually does work on some women but I would never want a woman that this worked on anyway. I am not a fan of pickup tactics and the way I would get a date in my single days was to just be natural and talk to a woman. Sometimes I would use something going on around us as an icebreaker but that was it.

[kizik]

Women's restrooms don't smell. :bunny:

 

Oh yes, they do. You just can't smell yourselves.

 

You don't want to weigh in on these self proclaimed "PUAs" and their transparent tactics?

 

All I gotta say is they can all go to hell. Apparently I can get girls just being myself.

[Woggle]

I had a job in my younger days where cleaning bathrooms were a part of it and the women's rooms were utterly filthy.

[thewingwoman]

One time I was outside a bar with friends, and we were approached by the strangest gathering of men ever. I think I mentioned this recently on the board. It was so obviously a group who'd come fresh from a seminar about meeting women. We were supportive (they were obviously nervous) but curious, because these guys so obviously didn't have a strong bond of friendship with eachother - and we wanted to know what it was that had brought them all together.

 

They were incredibly evasive about that. One of us asked "have you all been on some sort of course together?" and they exchanged glances then one said "yeah" but they wouldn't elaborate on what kind of course. "Was it a course about learning to talk to women?" They panicked, removed themselves from us and we saw them on the other side of the pavement with a whole load of other guys, watching us and conferring. I didn't see anyone who looked like a stork in amongst them, but perhaps Mystery doesn't travel well.

 

 

 

Okay - hang on. You're a wingwoman? So what's the motivation for fulfilling that role? I'm not asking in any kind of berating way. I'm just genuinely curious about what you'd get personally out of helping guys to pick women up.

 

LOL. You're story is hilarious. Perhaps they skipped the most important part of the seminar... confidence. Then again, any man that really feels the need to attend one of those seminars lacks confidence to begin with. It is only obtained by actual "in the field training" as Mystery would call it.

 

In regards to me being a wingwoman, I kinda fell into the roll. I don't just act as a wingwoman for men, I'm a wingwoman for other women as well. I've always had a uncanny ability to tell if two people are compatible... and I'm not just trying to get people laid. I'm actually trying to help them find decent people that they might possibly have relationships with.

 

The fulfillment is, just as I stated earlier, seeing a guy that has little confidence progress into a confident man in a budding relationship brings me a great sense of self-accomplishment knowing that I helped them both get there. And I did so without trying to completely change who he is, just by being there to be back-up.

 

Have you ever set two people up? Just friends of yours or something? If so, and things went well, you'll know the feeling I'm talking about.

[Taramere]

The fulfillment is, just as I stated earlier, seeing a guy that has little confidence progress into a confident man in a budding relationship brings me a great sense of self-accomplishment knowing that I helped them both get there. And I did so without trying to completely change who he is, just by being there to be back-up.

 

Have you ever set two people up? Just friends of yours or something? If so, and things went well, you'll know the feeling I'm talking about.

 

Yes. Seeing a genuine spark develop between people is great, and of course you want your friends to be happy. So for you, it's more like the matchmaking sort of thing. I get that. I thought when you used the term wingwoman, that you were meaning more along the lines of helping guys to get sexual experience from other woman.....which would have had more of the Brothel Madam/procuress aura about it.

 

One of my old bosses would have made a superb Madam. She really wanted me to work towards going into partnership with her. I said "okay, but only if you give up law and go into brothel-keeping which I think is your true vocation. I can be the one who looks after the girls. Keep their morale and self esteem up against all the odds."

[Trimmer]

This stuff actually does work on some women but I would never want a woman that this worked on anyway. I am not a fan of pickup tactics and the way I would get a date in my single days was to just be natural and talk to a woman.

It's such a peaceful feeling finding something about male/female relationships on which I can wholeheartedly agree with Wogs...

 

One of us asked "have you all been on some sort of course together?" and they exchanged glances then one said "yeah" but they wouldn't elaborate on what kind of course. "Was it a course about learning to talk to women?" They panicked, removed themselves from us and we saw them on the other side of the pavement with a whole load of other guys, watching us and conferring.

FALL BACK! FALL BACK TO DEFENSIVE POSITIONS! DAMAGE AND CASUALTY REPORT!

 

In regards to me being a wingwoman, I kinda fell into the roll. I don't just act as a wingwoman for men, I'm a wingwoman for other women as well.

... that was my guess when I read that originally.

 

Also, regarding the picture, I think the one on the left between Goggles and Paisley is also holding a cigar - his first one ever - and at the moment the picture was taken he had just taken his first puff and was desperately holding back a coughing fit. Just after the flash, he couldn't hold back any more, had to let loose, and sprayed loogies all over the back of Paisley's neck.

 

The look on Paisley's face is him turning green from all the cigar smoke. Just as he was introducing himself to a group of 3 women at the bar, it finally hit him, and he had to run for the men's room, where he spent the next 20 minutes barfing into a toilet that looked like a shxt grenade had been detonated in it. But lucky for him, the overspray matched the paisley perfectly, so he didn't even have to change his shirt once he felt better and was ready to go out and get back in the game...

 

I love to paint pictures, and these guys are so ripe for ridicule...

[Taramere]

Also, regarding the picture, I think the one on the left between Goggles and Paisley is also holding a cigar - his first one ever - and at the moment the picture was taken he had just taken his first puff and was desperately holding back a coughing fit. Just after the flash, he couldn't hold back any more, had to let loose, and sprayed loogies all over the back of Paisley's neck.

 

You know, I think you're right. Or maybe he's holding it all in and thinking that he'll wait until he's talking to a woman then cough it all over her face. "And that's not all I got, bitch!"

 

Neil Strauss takes him to one side. "Bud. Remember - walk first. Worry about running later."

 

If I saw Neil Strauss heading towards me, I'd be thinking "If I talk to this guy for more than 10 minutes I'm destined to end up listening to an earnest tale about the year he spent working on a kibbutz in Israel." And I'd steer clear of Mystery completely. He'd AFOG me.

[Island Girl]

If I saw Neil Strauss heading towards me, I'd be thinking "If I talk to this guy for more than 10 minutes I'm destined to end up listening to an earnest tale about the year he spent working on a kibbutz in Israel." And I'd steer clear of Mystery completely. He'd AFOG me.

 

If I say that pack of guys coming in I'd gather the girls go out the back - and if one of them approached me I don't think I'd be able to hide my disgust.

 

It is one thing when a guy wears what he likes and is being himself. Those guys are fun to talk to and real.

These guys who have CLEARLY orchestrated outfits -- like the goggles on the hat...WTF?? no one believes you actually wear those you idiot -- and come up with these stupid lines -- I really couldn't even listen.

 

Imagine turning around and there's 'THAT'!!! *shivers*

I'd be saying, "goawaygoawaygoawaygoaway" while I gouged my eyes out with those little cocktail straws.

 

These girls that sleep with these men have got to feel horrible about themselves when they sober up and realize what a HUGE mistake they've made. :sick::sick:

[Cherry Blossom 35]

Hahahahahahahahahaha! I would spit out my beer I would be laughing so hard. That picture is hilarious. Island Girl, your observations are spot on!

 

I've had guys pull those lame tactics on me. My "favorite" is the one where they insult you. Wow, I can't believe that works. So demeaning. I feel sorry for the girls who fall for that one. And what kind of man are you if you feel like it is ok to insult a woman, especially one you just met? What kind of classy gent does that? Answer: none.

[Cherry Blossom 35]

Once I had one of those PUA guys try that insulting thing on me. He said several things that were pretty insulting, couched by other more positive phrases. I couldn't leave right away because my friend was talking to his friend and really liked the dude. Finally I told him that he was very rude and I was leaving.

 

He actually asked me where I live, and when I told him, he asked me if I had trouble affording that on my salary! I'm like, I probably make more than you do, government drone!

[grogster]

I can't compete with these extras from a bad porn shoot. Not only are they all studs--just gaze at the animal splendor of Chicken man and Lizard man-- but they all who are armed with the latest, most sophisticated PUA seduction techniques.

 

How can a regular, old fashioned guy meet,mate and propagate his DNA with this PUA possee monopolizing all available women?

 

Well, if you can't beat them...