HsMomma Posted June 15, 2009 Posted June 15, 2009 I know what you're saying. Sometimes we just have to accept a person's view point without judging them too harshly. If you are aware of someone's background it really does make a difference. I mean we're all shaped, to a certain degree, by our upbringing. It's just that some of us are more (or less) screwed up by that upbringing. You're absolutely right - we are most definitely shaped by our upbringing. I guess that I subscribe to the theory, though, that we are NOW who we choose to be, regardless of our upbringing. While I think it does matter how one was brought up, once one is an adult, capable of rational thought, choices and decision-making, it's up to that person to decide to what extent (if any) the upbringing continues to have an impact on their lives.
HsMomma Posted June 15, 2009 Posted June 15, 2009 Winning millions in Vegas is great too but you don't blow all your money trying to do it. Why should that logic not apply to marriage? Why is it wrong for a man to at least have a backup plan in case? I think you're talking apples vs. oranges here, Woggle. While Vegas gambling is against "the house" (meaning random machines, deals of the cards, etc.), marriage is about meeting someone on equal terms, taking the chance that, by believing in them and your relationship with them, that you can make a life together, and a good one at that. I just think it's sad to feel as if one must have a backup plan, in case. That tells me that you weren't real sure when you got married that it was the right choice.
Island Girl Posted June 15, 2009 Posted June 15, 2009 However, this whole Woggle thing has me baffled. I just plain don't understand why there are people out there who refuse to believe that people CAN be happily married!? What is even worse is he claims to be one of those "happily married" people. But I guess he is the only one in the country as far as he is concerned. I love how he'll constantly state how he "can't believe how other people can't see outside of their own bubble and see there are different relationships". Yet he is the one making sweeping generalizations about women and marriages. He is so internally conflicted I don't know how he lives in his own head. Ostrich w/head in the sand maybe? Hey Woggle. -- All officers wear black. -- Not sheriffs. Not park rangers. And not the officials in management. -- And certainly not all forces from all of the country. -- But all officers wear black. So Woggle - can you see how the statement "all officers wear black" can't possibly be true? And how ridiculous it is for someone to keep saying it (especially when they themselves have given instances where it is not so!)?
HsMomma Posted June 15, 2009 Posted June 15, 2009 What is even worse is he claims to be one of those "happily married" people. But I guess he is the only one in the country as far as he is concerned. I love how he'll constantly state how he "can't believe how other people can't see outside of their own bubble and see there are different relationships". Yet he is the one making sweeping generalizations about women and marriages. He is so internally conflicted I don't know how he lives in his own head. Ostrich w/head in the sand maybe? Hey Woggle. -- All officers wear black. -- Not sheriffs. Not park rangers. And not the officials in management. -- And certainly not all forces from all of the country. -- But all officers wear black. So Woggle - can you see how the statement "all officers wear black" can't possibly be true? And how ridiculous it is for someone to keep saying it (especially when they themselves have given instances where it is not so!)? Island Girl, you do make me smile!
Woggle Posted June 15, 2009 Posted June 15, 2009 I think you're talking apples vs. oranges here, Woggle. While Vegas gambling is against "the house" (meaning random machines, deals of the cards, etc.), marriage is about meeting someone on equal terms, taking the chance that, by believing in them and your relationship with them, that you can make a life together, and a good one at that. I just think it's sad to feel as if one must have a backup plan, in case. That tells me that you weren't real sure when you got married that it was the right choice. Marriage for men in many ways is against the house. Women tend to grow resentful over the slightest imperfection which either leads to divorce or living with a woman who can't can't the sight of you. All a woman has to is snap her finger and say she is not happy and a man loses his house, his kids and has to pay her half or maybe even more of what he earns. He also gets to be a father she and the courts say he can. I am commited to my wife but I am not a stupid or a naive man.
Touche Posted June 15, 2009 Posted June 15, 2009 You're absolutely right - we are most definitely shaped by our upbringing. I guess that I subscribe to the theory, though, that we are NOW who we choose to be, regardless of our upbringing. While I think it does matter how one was brought up, once one is an adult, capable of rational thought, choices and decision-making, it's up to that person to decide to what extent (if any) the upbringing continues to have an impact on their lives. Wow. I couldn't agree more. I even tell my 14 month younger screwed up sis (whom I will see tomorrow), the same thing. You're right. But I still make allowances for people sometimes. I'm stupid that way. But yeah, again you're 100% right on!
Trialbyfire Posted June 15, 2009 Posted June 15, 2009 What is even worse is he claims to be one of those "happily married" people. But I guess he is the only one in the country as far as he is concerned. I love how he'll constantly state how he "can't believe how other people can't see outside of their own bubble and see there are different relationships". Yet he is the one making sweeping generalizations about women and marriages. He is so internally conflicted I don't know how he lives in his own head. Ostrich w/head in the sand maybe? Hey Woggle. -- All officers wear black. -- Not sheriffs. Not park rangers. And not the officials in management. -- And certainly not all forces from all of the country. -- But all officers wear black. So Woggle - can you see how the statement "all officers wear black" can't possibly be true? And how ridiculous it is for someone to keep saying it (especially when they themselves have given instances where it is not so!)? Beautiful Island Girl! As you can tell, I've given up trying to reason with him and instead play to the stereotype. I can't wait for my divorce, pre-marriage!
Island Girl Posted June 15, 2009 Posted June 15, 2009 I am commited to my wife but I am not a stupid or a naive man. But all other men are, is that it?
Woggle Posted June 15, 2009 Posted June 15, 2009 But all other men are, is that it? Many other man are. There are a few men that are smart like me.
Island Girl Posted June 15, 2009 Posted June 15, 2009 Many other man are. There are a few men that are smart like me. Well, since all women are controlling, berating, money hungry succubus and many men are stupid or naive -- you must be king of the world. :bunny::bunny: I now must give up hope that you will ever see how you double talk and therefore end up wrong 99.9% of the time. When you make sweeping generalizations like you do -- you can't help but be wrong wrong WRONG Woggle. There are always instances where what you say will not be the case. And you make no allowances for that -- although you ask others to make allowances for what you have experienced or seen that they may not have. You do not extend this same reasoning to yourself in your own head. You have come across as bitter for many years now. It must be difficult to live with so much resentment and anger. It isn't as vehemently strong as it used to be but seems even more concrete. That is sad. I am sorry for you.
grogster Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 Perhaps this has been noted before. If so, it deserves repeating. For someone with such a jaundiced view of women the Wog craves female attention--even if hostile. Better to be insulted than ignored, I suppose. The Wog needs women more than women need the Wog.
Ariadne Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 She wants a provider not because she loves a man but because she she feels that is a man's job. Nah, if that were what I wanted I'd be married right now. It wouldn't be difficult for me to marry a guy like that. What I want is true love. Aside from that, I agree with you that just about 5% are happy marriages with unconditional love. The rest are just stuck, and the others got divorced. And I agree that most of the times it is the women who dump the guys (and for no apparent fault in the guy either).
Ariadne Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 I'm just tired of the drivel coming out on these boards...I mean, really, somebody comes on here asking for advice, and THIS is what she ends up with?? Lord help her! .............
Ariadne Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 Absolutely not. You seem to be genuinely new around here and I have agreed with 99% of the posts I've seen of yours (unusual for me) Hey, and you have almost the same avatar too. This may be the beginning of something special. Touche found her true bff.
Island Girl Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 Beautiful Island Girl! As you can tell, I've given up trying to reason with him and instead play to the stereotype. I can't wait for my divorce, pre-marriage! Okay!! ME TOO!! As you well know I married my husband for all of his cash and of course his lifestyle. I'll make sure I get it all in the divorce. But I am not going to rush into it. I have got some major browbeating and controlling to do first!!! Ha HAH!!
Trialbyfire Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 Okay!! ME TOO!! As you well know I married my husband for all of his cash and of course his lifestyle. I'll make sure I get it all in the divorce. But I am not going to rush into it. I have got some major browbeating and controlling to do first!!! Ha HAH!! You go Island Girl! I'm glad to see that the LS Feminazi/Misandrist Group has a new recruit, someone who will take her man by the hair and drag him around behind her, where he belongs!
Woggle Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 Well, since all women are controlling, berating, money hungry succubus and many men are stupid or naive -- you must be king of the world. :bunny::bunny: I now must give up hope that you will ever see how you double talk and therefore end up wrong 99.9% of the time. When you make sweeping generalizations like you do -- you can't help but be wrong wrong WRONG Woggle. There are always instances where what you say will not be the case. And you make no allowances for that -- although you ask others to make allowances for what you have experienced or seen that they may not have. You do not extend this same reasoning to yourself in your own head. You have come across as bitter for many years now. It must be difficult to live with so much resentment and anger. It isn't as vehemently strong as it used to be but seems even more concrete. That is sad. I am sorry for you. I admit when I am wrong but most of the time I do feel I am right. Look around the world and how can you deny that what I say is right. You or any other woman might be one of the exceptions but that doesn't mean anything. I constantly tell women on here that if what I say does not describe then I am not talking about them. Even though I make a point to say this many women on here still get offended which I don't understand.
dobler33 Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 I admit when I am wrong but most of the time I do feel I am right. Look around the world and how can you deny that what I say is right. You or any other woman might be one of the exceptions but that doesn't mean anything. I constantly tell women on here that if what I say does not describe then I am not talking about them. Even though I make a point to say this many women on here still get offended which I don't understand. if there are so many instances of women you are not talking about, how can you make sweeping generalizations? clearly your own experience on this board alone belies your stereotypes and biases.
Woggle Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 if there are so many instances of women you are not talking about, how can you make sweeping generalizations? clearly your own experience on this board alone belies your stereotypes and biases. Because what I speak is a general trend amongst women today. Just look at the seperation and divorce forum where it is the same story over and over again.
dobler33 Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 Because what I speak is a general trend amongst women today. Just look at the seperation and divorce forum where it is the same story over and over again. i sincerely reject the idea that you know enough women to know what "general trends amongst women today" are. i certainly would never claim to know what the "general trends amongst" men are. you know why? because i'm not a misandrist. that's the definition of prejudice - you make assumptions about the entirety of a population based on your experience of a small fraction of that population. again, i'll say it as many times as i have to, go do some research about "general trends amongst women today" and the current dialogues of feminism before you make these utterly pathetic blanket statements.
Woggle Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 i sincerely reject the idea that you know enough women to know what "general trends amongst women today" are. i certainly would never claim to know what the "general trends amongst" men are. you know why? because i'm not a misandrist. that's the definition of prejudice - you make assumptions about the entirety of a population based on your experience of a small fraction of that population. again, i'll say it as many times as i have to, go do some research about "general trends amongst women today" and the current dialogues of feminism before you make these utterly pathetic blanket statements. I know what I see happening around me.
sally4sara Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 Well that's just a down right shame.... One of the supposed rare good ones can't even have her husband in bed with her at night because he is too busy stirring himself up over situations that don't apply to him. Was it really worth it at 4am to keep this thread alive?
Woggle Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 Well that's just a down right shame.... One of the supposed rare good ones can't even have her husband in bed with her at night because he is too busy stirring himself up over situations that don't apply to him. Was it really worth it at 4am to keep this thread alive? I am the insmoniac so why should she lose sleep? We have enough sex during the day and in the evending.
HsMomma Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 Hey, and you have almost the same avatar too. This may be the beginning of something special. Touche found her true bff. Shucks, Ariadne - can't be helped if cooler minds prevail here, can it? Might you be a touch jealous?
HsMomma Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 I am the insmoniac so why should she lose sleep? We have enough sex during the day and in the evending.[/QUOTE] Scary thought, that! What does SHE think of your views, Woggle? Just curious.
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