LauraD Posted November 4, 2003 Posted November 4, 2003 Bravo, Moimeme I couldn't have said it better myself! I'm a dietitian in the U.S. and I stand by the belief that we need to be critical thinkers when it comes to any health or nutrition claim made by the media, food companies, or authors claiming to be "experts." I receive the Journal of the American Dietetic Association as a professional member, and the study findings within are the source of much of my ever-changing nutrition knowledge. Peer-reviewed, reputable, scientific journals are the best sources for the latest research on nutrition and food issues.
tattoomytoe Posted November 10, 2003 Posted November 10, 2003 i was a veg for 6 years. i didn't have a terrible difficult time, but i also wanted to do it. i did vividly dream of eating whoppers and steaks, i would feel soo guilty in the morn thinking i had, but quickly realized it was a dream. also, one part of why i stopped was that it was healthier, but you soon realize that you can now get most junk food with out meat and candy bars, fries, chips, they're meatless too.
Vivid_29 Posted November 11, 2003 Posted November 11, 2003 Iamnotnothing - Don't pay any attention to Blockhead (his username suits him well). He's just playing the devils advocate and wants to argue for the sake of arguement. He's just blowing hot air. He better watch out for sharp objects!!! Stick to your guns and do your vegitarian thing! You have my support!
mfrmboy Posted November 25, 2003 Posted November 25, 2003 I think its great that you want to be a vegitarian and I support you 100%. I was for about 4yrs. and then for some reason I began craving meat(beef). I was at work and someone came in with a burger king bag and I could smell the whopper it was driving me nut's. Growing up, whoppers where one of my favorite things. when I was a teen I ate them almost every day. When I got off work I went straight to BK and got a double. Needless to say it made me sick as a dog. I do continue to eat meat. I think everything gives you cancer or kills you. The air we breath, the water we drink and the food we eat. Even sex kills now a days. So whats one to do? LOL GOOD LUCK!
mfrmboy Posted November 25, 2003 Posted November 25, 2003 We are all killers. Does the the lion feel guilty for the kill he has taken down to feed the pride. Does the frog feel for the pain he caused the bug he just ate. Do you feel guilt for the insects you kill every time you walk on the grass. How about the ants, roaches or mice that invade your home. Do you call an exterminator? The pesticides used or the organic farmer who kills the worms and other insects that would destroy the vegetables we eat. The cars we drive, the fuel we burn, the chemicles we use to pollute the air, water and earth. We are all guilty in one way or another of taking lives, be it plant, insect, fish, animal, human. There is no way to avoid it. Just something to think about
Torntoshreds Posted November 25, 2003 Posted November 25, 2003 Our family has been vegetarian for about 12 years. My children have been vegetarian since birth. They see "meat" only as dead animals equal to decaying road kill. I'm certain they will never have a craving for "meat" since they have been raised without ever ingesting it. We chose to become vegetarians because of our family health history. We are prone to colon cancer. Studies show that eating less saturated fat will reduce your chances of colon polyps and other types of tumors which can lead to cancer. My family have always been meat eaters, and I've lost 8 of them to this dreadful disease. Most recently, my 50 year old cousin. My dad (a heavy red-meat eater) developed heart disease from clogged arteries (he eventually died from this). My mother (who had recurring colon polyps) stopped eating meat shortly after my dads diagnosis and amazingly her body stopped producing polyps. As soon as she resumed eating meat again -- voilla! She developed colon cancer! A plant based diet works. That's why Asians (who also eat soy) have extremely low instances of tumorous cancers like this. One more thing -- The soy industry is under attack by the meat industry. They are threatened and in panic to find things wrong with soy to save their bottom line. Despite the money they are spending to hire "experts" who will come up with "studies" that show something is wrong with soy, they are losing. It doesnt matter. I'm going to do what I can to save my children and raise them as healthy as possible. NUTRIENTS: It is easy to be a vegetarian but more difficult to be a GOOD vegetarian. If you add dairy to your diet, you are going to get ample amounts of protein, but you'll also be adding the bad Sat Fats into your diet. So go for low fat types of dairy products. But remember - restaurants rarely use low-fat anything. Try to avoid HYDROGENATED OILS. Don't snack on crackers, fries and cookies. Snack on fresh produce instead. Many prepared snack foods are loaded with TRANS FAT, a deadly Sat Fat alternative. "Smart Balance" and "Newman's own" are several companies that are now producing foods NON hydrogenated oils. Vitamin B-12 is the tricky one for many vegetarians. This is only found in animal products, so if you eat eggs you'll probably have no problem. But many cereals and meat alternative foods are now adding this for vegans. A daily vitamin will also get you what you need. Go to the freezer section of your grocery store, near the waffle section, and look for MORNING STAR FARMS products. They now even make VEGGIE CORN DOGS and VEGGIE BUFFALO WINGS (Not kidding). These are slightly higher in fats but not as high as the real thing would be. They also make VEGGIE BACON, VEGGIE SAUSAGE, VEGGIE CHICKEN POT PIE even VEGGIE PEPPERONI and of course, veggie hot dogs and burgers. They all taste great and are extremely close in texture and taste to the real thing. And of course, knowing that no animal had to die makes being vegetarian even more enjoyable. Good Luck to you! Torn: 42 and disease-free
Torntoshreds Posted November 25, 2003 Posted November 25, 2003 Originally posted by KL There is a stress on soy and dairy in vegetarian lifestyle, because that is all there is. So there is no moderation. Your knowledge of a vegetarian life-style is not very thorough. Vegetarians, as well as Non-vegetarians, are encouraged by the ADA to eat more grains and vegetables than meat, dairy and soy. Most follow that advice. Of all the vegetarians I know, soy is eaten in moderation - probably less than most people eat red meat. Check your food pyramid. Meat and meat-alternatives (soy) are shown as the smallest part of daily dietary needs.
Torntoshreds Posted November 25, 2003 Posted November 25, 2003 Originally posted by KL http://www.mercola.com/2001/feb/10/breast_cancer_soy.htm http://more.abcnews.go.com/sections/community/2020/chat_breastcancer010118.html This is the information about soy and dairy, and their connection to cancer. Dr Mercola? You have got to be kidding me. This guy is an absolute nutcase. He is the guy advocating we give children NON PASTURIZED milk! Here's another article where Dr. Mercola is giving his advice about how he thinks technology will soon enable us to see who carries the "Mark of the beast" .... what a whacko.... Why You Should Get A Chip Implant DM COMMENT: The following series of articles show how technology has advanced in the last few years with respect to giving us the options of making life easier by implanting devices on our body. They certainly offer many advantages for convenience. I think it is important to recognize that these devices are not just coming they are here and can be put in place today. When they become available one would likely benefit from long and serious reflections on whether or not this is a sign of "the mark of the beast" that is referenced in the last book of the Bible.
steveb Posted November 25, 2003 Posted November 25, 2003 Note on B-12: To my knowledge, the only way to absorb man made B-12 is through a shot or sub-lingual (under tounge) pill. Your stomache destoys the B-12. If you eat meatm the B-12 is not affected by the stomache and is absorbed much later in the system. I am not a vegan, but I take B-12 sub-lingually.
LauraD Posted November 29, 2003 Posted November 29, 2003 Torn, You are so well-informed on your family's and your own dietary choices. I am really heartened to hear your explanations of your diet and how it keeps you feeling at your best. Are you a nutrition professional, or a really knowledgeable adherent to vegetarianism? Just wondering. I am in the field of dietetics and I was impressed!! You could be a nutrition educator. Laura
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