Question for MEN only about hookers, really better than "civilian" women?

[cutegirl]

I think in the past, their used to be a thicker line between prostitutes and "civilian" girls.

 

Women used to wait for marriage to have sex, used to date a man for months or years before sex, or would have less than 3 partners their entire lives. Now it is pretty much a first, second, or their date guarantee.

 

Now, women have dozens and dozens of past sex partners. They have perfected just about everything a prostitute would. Also, women know their friends do all sorts of kinky things, so this makes it acceptable for them to try it as well.

 

 

Exactly, that's what I think too. Most women are very open sexually, watch porn, want to "outdo" their girlfriends... They do pretty much all things a prostitute would... Nothing is taboo anymore, anything pretty much goes nowadays... So then why do some men think hookers are "better"?

 

I do agree with the paying part to get the woman to leave, that I can understand... but other than that, are you sure there isn't anything hookers have above normal women?

[RecordProducer]

What makes them so incredible is the complete lack of drama. It is what casual sex should be which is strictly business. I pay her and she does the job then we both go about our days.

Wow, Woggle, who would say that YOU would understand this inclination? or is it that you see the hokers as anti-feminists (smething that feminists would never engage in)?

 

Call me crazy, then... I've never had a ONS.

Good for you.

 

Also, another reason I like to read those boards is to find out the true nature of men.

Well, some men.

 

I'm sure some men might be nosy and read some female oriented boards to see what we talk about. Most if it is harmless "Which Chanel bag should I buy?", "What is better, Diorshow mascara or YSL Faux Cils?" or "What was Lindsay wearing her, ID this dress!"

YOU think it's harmless - they see it as a massive invasion on their wallets!

 

I agree that women are sexually much more harmless than men. I mean, you're not likely to discover that your wife is into child porn or gigolos.

 

And a very high percentage of men are into hookers

What is high percentage, Cutegirl? Do you know the statistics?

Are you sure a prostitute would be equal to a regular woman? I think she must be better because she is doing it so much...Its her job and livelihood. She's a professional. It makes me think there must be something about a prostitute that is better...

I think you're obsessing with something unnecessarily because your ex-BF traumatized the heck out of you. Let it go, hun.

[Brimstone_Angel]

Cute, I have never and nor do I believe anyone is or isn't better in bed based on their sexual experiences or skills. Sex is as much about emotional and spiritual connection as it is the physical. It takes two to have sex. And it takes that connection to have great sex. For me I had good to great sex with all the women I was involved with. Now each woman is different, and that is why I did not judge them. But, now I from my personal experiences have had kinkier sex with prostitutes. Why, they know they were there for a business. They were there to provide a service for their customer. For all I know, they may not do the same things with the people they love. Why? Because of their ability to separate business from pleasure. It is the same reason why the same chef's food can taste differently when they cook for customers than for their family.

 

Example, I am all bodies kind of guy when it comes to sexual pleasure. As long as the body part has been properly clean, to me it is accessible for pleasuring. Most non-prostitute women I have had sex with if even just touched their anus. Only one of my normal partners allowed me to not touch it with my finger, but to penetrate her as well.

 

I respect the boundaries a woman sets up for herself. I would never ever, while in a relationship turn to another woman for my missing pleasure. I have an pretty active mind to fulfill that part of which I miss in my mind.

 

And just to give you a little information, there are women who have and do pay for prostitutes as well. You'd be surprised how many women I have seen at a brothel.

 

Oh, and by far, of ethnic choices of women I have had sex with, Asian women to me seem to be the most sexually open, followed by hispanic women, whites, I can't say black women, because I have only had sex with one black woman.

[Quinch]

the guy falls in love with the prostitute and wants to "save" her and bring her over to America...

 

Yes, because all prostitutes are foreign and have to be imported to America

[Cherry Blossom 35]

Any guy who would compare my "skills" in bed to a hooker would be kicked to the curb, pronto.

 

I would never compare myself to a hooker, and I certainly wouldn't feel insecure about myself in comparison.

 

 

Some men like them. Plenty don't. I think you are making a lot of assumptions, here, Cutegirl.

 

Go to any message board populated by a certain type of person and you will think they are like that. When Woggle goes to the infidelity forum, he wants to kick his wife to the street. That's because EVERYONE there is involved some way. Does that mean EVERY woman thinks about or contemplates infidelity? No. Does that mean every man contemplates or partakes in activities with a prostitute? No. It just means every person on that board has some kind of interest in it.

[ipetree]

Cute girl, let me give an example..

 

When I was in Brazil, their are large outdoor cafes that have working girls their. Many people go their to eat, as it is also a nice restaurant. Groups of friends go to talk and enjoy the scenery. Or, you can also pick up a girl.

 

When you enter, or walk by, you see about 150 of the most beautiful women you have ever seen. Perfect bodies, dressed nicely, hair, make up, nails perfect. Ages about 18-30.

 

The men you meet their are the successful types women seek in their home countries. I met a guy that works for the UN from Italy, a German CEO, a Turkish wealthy banker. The men were all above average in the attractive dept as well.

 

So, they sit down, and can motion over ANY woman they want. The girl will have a drink, talk, hang out, and if both parties agree, they go home for a set price.

 

That is not how it is when seeking "civilian" women. For a small price, the man can have the night of his life with whichever of the beautiful women he wants. He can pay her for an entire week to be his companion as well. We are talking drop dead gorgeous women.

 

In real life, with "civilian girls" men are lucky if they can take home the fat girl at the bar who probably has more diseases than the hookers. And there will be a group of men just fighting to take her home.

[RecordProducer]

But I read on forums sometimes guys saying "prostitutes are better in bed",

On forums created by hooker lovers?

 

One more category: the Madonna-whore syndrome victims. Wife is a saint (mom, pal, cook, etc.) and dirty whores are for sex.

 

I don't think sucking toes or S&M is so far out there... Maybe I am too perverted or whatever but it seems harmless to me... If I like a guy enough I think I would be able to do almost anything...

I think you're hooker material!

 

I don't know if I'd suck my husband's toes, but I definitely have the urge to beat the crap outta him sometimes, so I might consider the S&M thing.

 

Just kidding.

[Brimstone_Angel]

... Men pay because it is much more simple than involving feelings, they like variety, and often times it is cheaper than dating anyway.

 

Do it because they are not lucky in the getting a woman part. That is my case, I love having a woman in my life. Sharing things about myself and not feeling alone in love. And for that hour, we talk and we have sex. Sometimes it is making love, sometimes it is to also fulfill my much needed release. While the Bible does not promote prostitution, but it is better for a man to sleep with a prostitute and let his semen and sperm be released in her than for him to masturbate and to let life be wasted on the ground. He had killed two men for masturbating on the ground vice releasing their seed in the wife of their deceased brother. There was a law and I believe in certain middle Eastern cultures today, that if an older brother dies without giving his wife a child, it was up to one of the brothers to do so.

 

But, (for those who believe) God has made sex and has set laws in how it was to be done. While yes it is natural to masturbate and I have and sometime still do (it is one of my sins I am still trying to overcome, no pun intended). If it were not illegal in the United States, nor as expensive, I would probably once every few months seek one out just for the emotional connection and to do what is more agreeable with God than the alternative I am doing now.

[Cherry Blossom 35]

Well that's certainly an alternative viewpoint!

[RecordProducer]

While the Bible does not promote prostitution, but it is better for a man to sleep with a prostitute and let his semen and sperm be released in her than for him to masturbate and to let life be wasted on the ground.

And it's not wasted inside the hooker? What is "wasted semen" in your book? Isn't any semen that doesn't get the woman pregnant wasted? If a woman has her period, why would you waste your semen having sex with her when you know that she won't get pregnant?

[cutegirl]

Well, some men.

 

What is high percentage, Cutegirl? Do you know the statistics?

I think you're obsessing with something unnecessarily because your ex-BF traumatized the heck out of you. Let it go, hun.

 

Ok, I will go into statistics later but first from what I observed.. My ex was into it. His best friend is still into it and goes to massage parlors all the time even when he has a gf. My best friend's father is like what, somewhere between 55-60 I'm guessing and he goes all the time...

 

My ex told me that his brother-in-law went to massage parlors all the time and even right after his wife gave birth (who is my bf's older sister!) because she couldn't have sex for awhile after the birth obviously, and he was getting frustrated with just bj's and had to get out of his system. My ex didn't even care that it was his sister, he seemed to think that it was a normal thing to do.

 

Also, my ex told me that his younger sister's bf used to go to the massage parlors all the time too and that he waited outside for them to be finished...

 

My best friend was talking to this guy and we are pretty sure he sees hookers, he travels a lot and he slipped up several times when he was drunk... His friend was insinuating stuff like "Wow, I can't believe you actually went through with that while you were in Brazil"... and other things too...

 

And I know my own dad used to frequent prostitutes too.... Don't ask me how I know but I just do. I overheard him talking about it to my uncle. I was young at the time but I still knew, children aren't stupid...

 

As for statistics

 

In 1994 three researchers, Gagnon, Laumann, and Kolata, published SEX IN AMERCA: A DEFINITIVE SURVEY. In that, they report that 16% of American men ages 18-59 reported paying for sex.

 

Kinsey's numbers were much higher tho

 

69% of white males had at least one experience with a prostitute (Kinsey, Martin, Gebhard, 1948).

 

But Kinsey's study was done long ago when women weren't as sexually open I suppose and I read that there was some controversy with the sample of people he used to conduct his studies.. so who knows. I don't really know.. I just go with my intuition. In my opinion I just think the number is high.

[fral945]

I am just curious about this.... For men that have been with a lot of hookers/call girls/prostitutes, are hookers really that much better in bed than a normal "civilian" woman? I already know about the variety factor, of course men want variety. And I also know about the thrill of the chase, the thrill the guys get from reading reviews online from hooker message boards and the possibility of getting caught all add an exciting element but OTHER than that... what makes sex with a hooker so much better?? And if so, how? Are they better just because they know how to move better or what is it exactly?

 

Not necessarily. But a good hooker (like anyone who provides a service) learns what her customer likes and if she provides the service he wants she will get the money she wants and may continue to get his business. It's an honest, straightforward transaction where both parties get what they want. A hooker makes her living learning what guys like, so if she's been doing it a while, she knows the ins and outs of what most men like.

 

In a normal relationship it doesn't necessarily work this way. Women takes payment (in form of dinner, movies, gifts, etc) and then may or may not provide sex. Basically, the women is in control of sex in a normal relationship. She is the "gatekeeper", so to speak. The women may not have had many partners, and therefore doesn't know the ins and outs of what gets a guy off, or is unwilling to do the things that give him that "sexual high".

 

So what is it exactly are the hookers doing that is so "thrilling" and so "forbidden" that normal women don't? Normal women do things like swallow, take facials, anal, deepthroat, are enthusiastic in bed (can moan, talk dirty) etc... Normal women can indulge in fetishes too like whip you if you like it, or torture you, or suck on your toes.... What is it that these hookers do that is so special that regular women don't compare?

 

First, I disagree with your statement that normal women are as sexually open as you describe. IME, a lot of women find those things you mentioned disgusting or degrading. Just ask some of them here.

 

IMO here's the appeal of the hooker over a normal woman:

 

1) Fetishes - contrary to your statements, not all normal women take facials, do anal, are enthusiastic in bed, etc. Guy might have a hooker who satisfies a certain sexual fetish or desire he has that he hasn't found in a normal relationship

2) Variety/Novelty factor - it's a new and different woman

3) Detachment - guys avoids emotional involvement while relieving sexual tension. This is the male ideal for casual sex. I don't believe most normal women are capable of casual sex without some kind of emotional attachment

4) Effort - guy doesn't want to put the effort into dating/wooing a woman to satisfy sexual needs. A hooker only requires money and a place to have sex. A normal woman requires much more

5) One sided pleasure - Guy get his pleasure without having to return the favor

7) Guys who have trouble get sex normally - This would include virgins still uncomfortable around women, guy with a severe mental/physical deformity, etc.

 

I think famous guys who've admitted or been caught with hookers, like Charlie Sheen and Hugh Grant, embody the male desire for variety/novelty when it comes to sex. Obviously those guys could have had almost any women in the world. For Hugh Grant, that's the only logical explanation, considering he had Elizabeth Hurley waiting for him at home.

[cutegirl]

Cute girl, let me give an example..

 

When I was in Brazil, their are large outdoor cafes that have working girls their. Many people go their to eat, as it is also a nice restaurant. Groups of friends go to talk and enjoy the scenery. Or, you can also pick up a girl.

 

When you enter, or walk by, you see about 150 of the most beautiful women you have ever seen. Perfect bodies, dressed nicely, hair, make up, nails perfect. Ages about 18-30.

 

The men you meet their are the successful types women seek in their home countries. I met a guy that works for the UN from Italy, a German CEO, a Turkish wealthy banker. The men were all above average in the attractive dept as well.

 

So, they sit down, and can motion over ANY woman they want. The girl will have a drink, talk, hang out, and if both parties agree, they go home for a set price.

 

That is not how it is when seeking "civilian" women. For a small price, the man can have the night of his life with whichever of the beautiful women he wants. He can pay her for an entire week to be his companion as well. We are talking drop dead gorgeous women.

 

In real life, with "civilian girls" men are lucky if they can take home the fat girl at the bar who probably has more diseases than the hookers. And there will be a group of men just fighting to take her home.

 

I can see why this is tempting. To be honest, I wouldn't mind if I were a guy so I would be able to indulge like this. How come there are no such male escorts for women? People like to say that "women can get it for free" easily. Well, what if I don't want it for free, what if I want to be like the man and pay so I have the power, so I can be control, so the men can be at my beck and call and I can control them in any way I want?? Why are there no such services for women? It's not fair.

[lady_door]

I can see why this is tempting. To be honest, I wouldn't mind if I were a guy so I would be able to indulge like this. How come there are no such male escorts for women? People like to say that "women can get it for free" easily. Well, what if I don't want it for free, what if I want to be like the man and pay so I have the power, so I can be control, so the men can be at my beck and call and I can control them in any way I want?? Why are there no such services for women? It's not fair.

 

Uhm... there are. They're called Callboys.

[RecordProducer]

I can see why this is tempting. To be honest, I wouldn't mind if I were a guy so I would be able to indulge like this. How come there are no such male escorts for women? People like to say that "women can get it for free" easily. Well, what if I don't want it for free, what if I want to be like the man and pay so I have the power, so I can be control, so the men can be at my beck and call and I can control them in any way I want?? Why are there no such services for women? It's not fair.

Of course there ARE such services for women. Probably fewer than for men, but everything is a matter of supply and demand.

 

Find a guy that you like in a night club and offer to pay him for sex. He'll probably say "I'll have sex wiht you for free," then you say "No, I insist to pay. I don't want to owe you any favor!"

 

If he says NO, start negotiating the price until he accepts. If it's too high, tell him "Nah... you ain't worth that much!"

[cutegirl]

Uhm... there are. They're called Callboys.

 

Yes but it's not like how ipetree described it, he said at the cafe there were 150-200 women all looking gorgeous and decked out to the nines... There's no such a supply of call boys in such vast quantities... Probably because there is low demand for it... Guys have a way better deal, they get selection, hundreds of women waiting in line. There aren't any places where there are 100 buff and sexy studs on sale just waiting to cater a woman's every need.

[Brimstone_Angel]

And it's not wasted inside the hooker? What is "wasted semen" in your book? Isn't any semen that doesn't get the woman pregnant wasted? If a woman has her period, why would you waste your semen having sex with her when you know that she won't get pregnant?

 

Question 1: No. This is why God made men and women for in part, not for a man to spill his seed in/unto places they were not design in activities based on self alone.

 

Question 2: Semen spilt willingly on the ground or in a sock or what have you. Spilling semen where it was not to be spilt.

 

Question 3: No. We are given the freedom of choice to want to pursue the procreation of the species.

 

Question 4: God also designed sex for pleasure and for the bonding of two beings into one. There are plenty of men and women who are barren either by birth or accident, it does not mean they are not to have sex (preferably with someone they are married to).

[cutegirl]

 

Find a guy that you like in a night club and offer to pay him for sex. He'll probably say "I'll have sex wiht you for free," then you say "No, I insist to pay. I don't want to owe you any favor!"

 

If he says NO, start negotiating the price until he accepts. If it's too high, tell him "Nah... you ain't worth that much!"

 

Lol... whoever pays has the upper hand... When guys pay they have power and tell the woman what to do. Maybe sometimes when I'm in a bad mood I might want to pay a guy too so I can degrade him and treat him like a piece of meat...

:laugh:

[cutegirl]

Type in the words women and infidelity and take a look at that board. I don't even look at it anymore becuase when I do I feel like throwing my wife out on the street.

 

OMG Woggle.... I found that site right away but I didn't think that could be it because when you said "board", I assumed you meant an active message board such as LS with people posting on it. That page is nothing but an ad to SELL A BOOK about infidelity. I work in internet sales, I know what a sales page looks like. All of those quotes are probably made up... lol

 

The whole purpose of that page is to sell that book and make money...

It's totally different from what I am talking about. I am talking message boards with live real members who post about various hookers, reviewing them, etc... just like LS but instead about relationships it's about prostitutes...

 

You haven't even showed me a real forum about women talking about anything scandalous, all you showed me was a sales page to sell a book about infidelity!!!

[Brimstone_Angel]

And it's not wasted inside the hooker? What is "wasted semen" in your book? Isn't any semen that doesn't get the woman pregnant wasted? If a woman has her period, why would you waste your semen having sex with her when you know that she won't get pregnant?

 

Question 1: No. This is why God made men and women for in part, not for a man to spill his seed in/unto places they were not design in activities based on self alone.

 

Question 2: Semen spilt willingly on the ground or in a sock or what have you. Spilling semen where it was not to be spilt.

 

Question 3: No. We are given the freedom of choice to want to pursue the procreation of the species.

 

Question 4: God also designed sex for pleasure and for the bonding of two beings into one. There are plenty of men and women who are barren either by birth or accident, it does not mean they are not to have sex (preferably with someone they are married to).

 

Of course this is not to say it is true or not. But, it is the way of life I come to understand, believe, and try to live by.

[fral945]

Lol... whoever pays has the upper hand... When guys pay they have power and tell the woman what to do. Maybe sometimes when I'm in a bad mood I might want to pay a guy too so I can degrade him and treat him like a piece of meat...

:laugh:

 

Women always have the upper hand when it comes to sex. Even if they pay for it.

 

Seriously, though, it's funny because we all know that just a decent looking woman could have sex with almost any man she wanted without any money, time, or effort. Just walk into a room full of men, grab one you like, and say "I want to have sex with you". Unlikely you find much resistance.

 

For a guy, even if you're tall, dark, handsome, smart, successful, funny, rich, and famous, you've still got to put in the time, effort, and money to court and win over a woman. Then there is no guarantee you'll get laid, even if you say and do the right things.

 

Now, if there were male escorts that advertised RME's (romantic male experiences), I think women would start to pay for male escorts.

[Brimstone_Angel]

...You haven't even showed me a real forum about women talking about anything scandalous, all you showed me was a sales page to sell a book about infidelity!!!

 

Try: Girl Don't Date Him . Com. You will read some stuff that will knock your socks off.

 

Or even better, try those sites designed for people looking to cheat. There are websites that will even be alibis for those doing some thing wrong like skipping out on work or cheating on their SO. It really creeps me out how many people actually will try and help others do what is wrong out there.

[cutegirl]

Women always have the upper hand when it comes to sex. Even if they pay for it.

 

Seriously, though, it's funny because we all know that just a decent looking woman could have sex with almost any man she wanted without any money, time, or effort. Just walk into a room full of men, grab one you like, and say "I want to have sex with you". Unlikely you find much resistance.

 

For a guy, even if you're tall, dark, handsome, smart, successful, funny, rich, and famous, you've still got to put in the time, effort, and money to court and win over a woman. Then there is no guarantee you'll get laid, even if you say and do the right things.

 

Now, if there were male escorts that advertised RME's (romantic male experiences), I think women would start to pay for male escorts.

 

That's not true, I don't like romance... I don't want dinner or candlelights...

 

What if I WANT to pay the guy so I can degrade him and humiliate him? Make him do something he might not like? Whoever pays has the power. It's a sign of financial power. It's saying that women are on equal par as men...

 

It's not about getting laid, it's about POWER.

[Woggle]

OMG Woggle.... I found that site right away but I didn't think that could be it because when you said "board", I assumed you meant an active message board such as LS with people posting on it. That page is nothing but an ad to SELL A BOOK about infidelity. I work in internet sales, I know what a sales page looks like. All of those quotes are probably made up... lol

 

The whole purpose of that page is to sell that book and make money...

It's totally different from what I am talking about. I am talking message boards with live real members who post about various hookers, reviewing them, etc... just like LS but instead about relationships it's about prostitutes...

 

You haven't even showed me a real forum about women talking about anything scandalous, all you showed me was a sales page to sell a book about infidelity!!!

 

That site has a message board or at least it used to. I haven't been there in months and I don't plan on going back.

[Woggle]

If I were single power would have nothing to with it. It would be about ease and lack of drama. If I want to put forth some effort with a woman it would be for more than a quick lay.