Postcard from the Dark Side.

[bonezuk]

Some months back I posted a thread onto this forum explaining my frustration at being terminally single and my concern at wither or not this was due to my choice of professions as software engineer. Since then I am “happy” to say that I have had knock back after knock back after knock back… you get the idea. And as for being happy about it, well that’s sarcasms for you.

 

Just to reiterate what my position is. I am 31 years old and I have never in my life had a single girlfriend or a relationship in any shape or form. I am not unemployed, uneducated or been greatly disfigured or disabled or still living at home with my parents. In fact the entire opposite. I hold degrees in medicine, mathematics and computer science. I have managed to build and secure for myself a very good career. I have my own house and car and live a rather independent life style. And as personality goes I have always tried to be the best person I can possibly be in life and nothing short of this will do.

 

Now understand that I am not here looking for some kind sympathy vote. I am not looking for sympathy and I have no need to wallow around in my own self-pity and despair. I do however need to vent some anger and frustration because this constant rejection and neglect is slowly destroying and poisoning my soul. But if you are sensitive to hurtful comments then best leave now because this rant might get very nasty. And if you are offended. Well I simply don’t care because your offence is nothing compared to the rage and pain that I feel throttling me.

 

So let’s start off with some Q&A:

 

Q: What do women want?

 

A: Truthfully unknown as they have not got any idea themselves. But as a general answer they want everything now Now NOW!!! And it is their right and privilege to have their demands satisfied. And they should not have to raise a single finger but only their screeching whining nagging voices.

 

Personally I have always had to work and earn for everything that I have just like the great majority of men over the course history.

 

Q: Do women like sex?

 

A: Variable and how the hell should I know. Woman fake organisms and lie constantly to a man that he is a good lover and only proceed to complain, moan and whine about how crap all men are in bed to her girl friends. Woman will enjoy it only if they are in a long term stable relationship and she is shagging some git that she just met of the dance floor after binge drinking her way through the bar. Ever wondered why she doesn’t want sex but has got a headache instead? Probably hung over.

 

Little known fact that about 10-15% of the children in this world don’t know that their dad is not their biological father. Why do you think that on one night stands the man losses all respect for the woman in the morning? Because the woman that does this immediately comes across as saying “Can you be a father figure but you don’t mind that it is someone else’s kid?”. You think your going to get respect for that? Oh sorry forgot the answer to the first question in that a woman automatically has the right to respect… and a gun.

 

Q: Is it possible for a man to get a date?

 

A: Only if he lives inside a stupid American sitcom. You will only be vetted and cleared for a date if all the thousand and one preconditions are met. However the size of this list will vary dependant on which glossy magazine the woman reads. And the list has been known to expand to infinite. As a man I only have one, does she seem nice?

 

You think the cartoon of the caveman whacking the girl about the head to knock her out so that she can be had by the caveman is a joke. Maybe it has very firm basis in reality otherwise the human species will die out.

 

Q: Does a girl need to work hard to have an independent life style?

 

A: No. Well only for about 1 minute while your 14-16 years old. Spread legs to any random thug, get yourself knocked up and that’s it apart from the pregnancy but you can just get drugged out your face for that. Soon you will be given a council house, your taxes paid for you and you’ll receive over £180 per week. The more children the higher the benefits “wage” packet will be. Earn $70k-$100k from the state if you have 5 children or more and no father figure.

 

Q: Is the role of the father redundant?

 

A: Well now that the government acts as both big brother and father then yes the role of the father is redundant. Mind you this was the primary goal of the men haters movement. Sorry I mean the woman’s movement. That is to get rid of men and like a cancer remove them from society. And the goal of providing effective laws to support such an ideological goal has been very effective.

 

Q: Are woman intelligent?

 

A: Depends on the definition of intelligence. As woman did poorly in IQ tests a new test called EQ tests were invented to make them feel better about themselves. So instead of testing intelligence you are tested on your ability to understand the contents of a gossip magazine and that article about “How to tell if your man is having an affair from your astrological star chart”. Usually best known as woolly thinking. Although if you are looking to become the next multi-billionaire then find a process for turning woman’s thought into actual woollen textiles and advertise it as the all new fashion for now in Vogue.

 

As already mentioned, I am a professional software engineer and I have worked for a good number of companies on many projects from mp3 to mobile phones to geological analysis software. I have NEVER once seen or met a software engineer that was a woman. People like myself seem to have a habit of being called geniuses by other people, not to blow my own trumpet. Yet in the media day after day I am being told that woman are smarter than men. Now sexual politics have nothing to do with this industry as it has been founded by some of the most free thinking men. For example, the Internet is used for global communication and bringing the world closer. There can be no doubt about the popularity of the iPod and other such devices. But does a woman even bother to get involved in the details of inventing such technology? No. Why? Most likely it was not popular or uncool or unfashionable at the time.

 

Actually thinking about it. How many women have made great scientific or inventions that changed the world in the course of history and in recent times? Very few compared to the men.

 

So I have been personally involved in the details and guts of this information revolution. It has brought the world closer and has probably done more for world peace, freedom and understand than we can possibly realise or measure. Woman on the other hand have overturned the traditional family unit that has existed since the dawn of time by creating the sociological and political movements aimed at boosting their own petty ego at the expense of blaming the white heterosexual man for every single ill in the world. The latest evolution of this man hating culture has been the “girl power” revolution.

 

So popular has this tactic been that all ethnic minorities are free to join in and blame the white heterosexual man for all of societies and worldly ills.

 

Q: Do woman start war?

 

A: Yes, first British prime minister Thatcher and for re-election strategy she goes to war in the Falklands. At least Iraq has oil. Falklands only has…. Sheep.

 

Q: Are woman insecure?

 

A: Yes, and their insecurities should be taken advantage of at every turn. So to all the women out there: You are a stupid fat cow; you are up the duff; your man is off shagging another bird; your life has no meaning; your bum does look big that dress and no amount of make up will ever stop you from looking like a gelatine hag. You have piles, constipation, period pains, mood swings, depression, anxiety and PMT. But don’t work when you hit 50 you’ll dry up… Just at the point you decide you want babies now that you have reached to the top of your boardroom ego career. Most likely by sleeping your way to the top.

 

As for me I had to work for a living!!!! But after that I can say that vengeance is a dish best served cold. But when you have been knocked down and as far back as I have and the self hate and self loathing take over because you have done everything to try and get a single date or promise of a date and still it is not nearly good enough then your point of view changes. Personally I just want to die because this world makes me so SICK!!!!

[Art_Critic]

Are you writing an article ?

 

you have about 20 directions you want this thread to take.. How about slimming it down some so that posters like myself can understand what it is you are asking ?

[bonezuk]

Not really posing a question as such. More a point of view.

[westernxer]

Q: What do women want?

A: Me, hopefully.

 

Q: Do women like sex?

A: Hopefully so. Sometimes you get lucky, othertimes you get the hell away.

 

Q: Is it possible for a man to get a date?

A: Yes, but he does so at his own risk.

 

Q: Does a girl need to work hard to have an independent life style?

A: Depends if she's rich or not. Being hot works, too.

 

Q: Is the role of the father redundant?

A: No (unless the mother's a hermaphrodite).

 

Q: Are woman intelligent?

A: Compared to Einstein, we're all idiots.

 

Q: Do woman start war?

A: Helen of Troy had a face that launched a thousand ships. Other than that, war is inevitable.

 

Q: Are woman insecure?

A: We're all insecure to a certain degree, and not just on an emotional level.

[d'Arthez]

So let’s start off with some Q&A:

 

Q: What do women want?

 

A: Truthfully unknown as they have not got any idea themselves. But as a general answer they want everything now Now NOW!!! And it is their right and privilege to have their demands satisfied. And they should not have to raise a single finger but only their screeching whining nagging voices.

I guess this is more telling of the women you are interested in, than of women themselves. Mature women know what they want. And the last thing they want is a man who bitches about women.

 

Personally I have always had to work and earn for everything that I have just like the great majority of men over the course history.

And the great majority of women too. Not all women are Marie-Antoinette's, as to suggest to hungry people to eat cake instead of bread, when there was no bread. That was supposedly in 1787. A few years later, people had her head.

 

Q: Do women like sex?

 

A: Variable and how the hell should I know. Woman fake organisms and lie constantly to a man that he is a good lover and only proceed to complain, moan and whine about how crap all men are in bed to her girl friends. Woman will enjoy it only if they are in a long term stable relationship and she is shagging some git that she just met of the dance floor after binge drinking her way through the bar. Ever wondered why she doesn’t want sex but has got a headache instead? Probably hung over.

Again, this is more telling of you, than of women in general. Women can fake orgasms, but men can fake relationships. I don't know who said that, but it is clear that not just women can pretend things.

Why the hell do you have the idea, that you should try to meet women in clubs?

 

Little known fact that about 10-15% of the children in this world don’t know that their dad is not their biological father. Why do you think that on one night stands the man losses all respect for the woman in the morning? Because the woman that does this immediately comes across as saying “Can you be a father figure but you don’t mind that it is someone else’s kid?”. You think your going to get respect for that? Oh sorry forgot the answer to the first question in that a woman automatically has the right to respect… and a gun.

Hey, it takes two to tango. If a man cannot respect a woman, what claim to respect does he have? And what about the cheating MM, who produce children with other women than their wives? And frankly you have produced a lot of garbage already, I already have a hard time to see why a woman should respect you, if you cannot respect them.

As for the whole father figure "theory", it is not hard to come up with a theory that men just want that. Why bother getting involved with the child if your genes will be spread in the population anyways? I mean, if you have a degree in medical science, it is not hard to come up with that, is it?

 

Q: Is it possible for a man to get a date?

 

A: Only if he lives inside a stupid American sitcom. You will only be vetted and cleared for a date if all the thousand and one preconditions are met. However the size of this list will vary dependant on which glossy magazine the woman reads. And the list has been known to expand to infinite. As a man I only have one, does she seem nice?

As can be seen by the type of women you have described, it is far from just one. You have many preconditions, but don't dare to admit it. And again, you portray women as if they are stupid. Again, it becomes tiresome, it tells more of you than of women.

 

You think the cartoon of the caveman whacking the girl about the head to knock her out so that she can be had by the caveman is a joke. Maybe it has very firm basis in reality otherwise the human species will die out.

Considering the population of cavemen is close to 0 and the population of human beings is close to 6 billion that will hardly ever happen. And in the Western world, you should at least feign respect before you can have a chance to date a person.

 

Q: Does a girl need to work hard to have an independent life style?

 

A: No. Well only for about 1 minute while your 14-16 years old. Spread legs to any random thug, get yourself knocked up and that’s it apart from the pregnancy but you can just get drugged out your face for that. Soon you will be given a council house, your taxes paid for you and you’ll receive over £180 per week. The more children the higher the benefits “wage” packet will be. Earn $70k-$100k from the state if you have 5 children or more and no father figure.

I would almost think that every girl in the UK is behaving like that. It is not the case though. Far from it. Why feel resentful about it? Some women make poorer choices. Others get raped (it must be the woman's fault, Bonezuk? ), and decide to keep the child. What you are describing is nothing short of a malicious misrepresentation of women. Clearly, it must be impossible to comprehend that that is not an attractive feature in anyone?

 

Q: Is the role of the father redundant?

 

A: Well now that the government acts as both big brother and father then yes the role of the father is redundant. Mind you this was the primary goal of the men haters movement. Sorry I mean the woman’s movement. That is to get rid of men and like a cancer remove them from society. And the goal of providing effective laws to support such an ideological goal has been very effective.

The role of the father is not redundant. But fathers who behave like asses, will not be put up with, as opposed to the 1930's when women did not have a choice in the matter. That is the improvement in women's lifes. But of course, the man is holy, and the woman is filth .

 

Q: Are woman intelligent?

 

A: Depends on the definition of intelligence. As woman did poorly in IQ tests a new test called EQ tests were invented to make them feel better about themselves. So instead of testing intelligence you are tested on your ability to understand the contents of a gossip magazine and that article about “How to tell if your man is having an affair from your astrological star chart”. Usually best known as woolly thinking. Although if you are looking to become the next multi-billionaire then find a process for turning woman’s thought into actual woollen textiles and advertise it as the all new fashion for now in Vogue.

Women are intelligent. Some women are not too bright, some men neither. Your argument does not make sense though. The debate is not even decided whether an IQ-test is an accurate estimate of intelligence. The matter is much more complex than you make it out to be. And then we are still about analytical intelligence. A concept that is already gender-biased.

 

As already mentioned, I am a professional software engineer and I have worked for a good number of companies on many projects from mp3 to mobile phones to geological analysis software. I have NEVER once seen or met a software engineer that was a woman. People like myself seem to have a habit of being called geniuses by other people, not to blow my own trumpet. Yet in the media day after day I am being told that woman are smarter than men. Now sexual politics have nothing to do with this industry as it has been founded by some of the most free thinking men. For example, the Internet is used for global communication and bringing the world closer. There can be no doubt about the popularity of the iPod and other such devices. But does a woman even bother to get involved in the details of inventing such technology? No. Why? Most likely it was not popular or uncool or unfashionable at the time.

When I started university there were a few students of Computer Science. Within six week all of them were gone. Either they did not like the discipline, or what happened just as often, they were considered a curiosity, and treated as such.

And the common perception is also that people who work in such industries to be emphatically / emotionally challenged. And a few other prejudices. That is exactly the reason why I did not choose to do that. If I wanted to work 18 hours a day, I would go to India, and work there as cheap labor.

As if most men understand the Ipod. Ultimately we still don't know why a single device works, for that would require a complete understanding of physics. Which we still lack.

 

Actually thinking about it. How many women have made great scientific or inventions that changed the world in the course of history and in recent times? Very few compared to the men.

It took only one man to invent the theory of relativity. A few billion men did not. It only took one man to invent integrals. A few billion did not. It took a woman to save J.J. Rousseau's butt several times. And she could not even read! How smart Jean Jacques must have been ...

And you must not forget that the position of women was and still is very different from the position of men. When did women actually get access to university? I bet it was not in the same year or century as it was for men. If you do not give women opportunities, how can you expect them to grab these opportunities.

 

So I have been personally involved in the details and guts of this information revolution. It has brought the world closer and has probably done more for world peace, freedom and understand than we can possibly realise or measure.

No. As with every technology it can and has been abused for ends opposite to these noble goals. We cannot even give a good definition of freedom, that is not politcally subversive by Western standards.

 

Woman on the other hand have overturned the traditional family unit that has existed since the dawn of time by creating the sociological and political movements aimed at boosting their own petty ego at the expense of blaming the white heterosexual man for every single ill in the world. The latest evolution of this man hating culture has been the “girl power” revolution.

If you consider the dawn of time around 1870 AD that is. Go to the parliamentary archives, and do some research. England has marvellous political archives, use them.

As for these political movements, you probably mean, parliamentarism, the women's vote, trade unions. None of which were meant to feed egos, but had more to do with improving living conditions. The UK in the 1850's was not a paradise, contrary to the wet dreams many Tories have.

And even "girl power" is a reaction to the idiocy of the domineering gender, namely men. Girls who refuse to submit to men, just because they are women. Shocking is not it?

 

So popular has this tactic been that all ethnic minorities are free to join in and blame the white heterosexual man for all of societies and worldly ills.

That is called freedom. Or should it only apply to heterosexual And it is also called a gross misrepresentation of facts. Are you referring to the opposition to Tony B? That is so unbrittish. Everyone who is opposed to Blairs representation of truth should be locked up.

 

Q: Do woman start war?

 

A: Yes, first British prime minister Thatcher and for re-election strategy she goes to war in the Falklands. At least Iraq has oil. Falklands only has…. Sheep.

Not to mention every Prime Minister the UK has done the same thing since "the dawn of time." All of which were of course secretly women . Now the secret is out: 2 women can conceive a child. We should have known, as Tony is also a female name.

 

Q: Are woman insecure?

 

A: Yes, and their insecurities should be taken advantage of at every turn. So to all the women out there: You are a stupid fat cow; you are up the duff; your man is off shagging another bird; your life has no meaning; your bum does look big that dress and no amount of make up will ever stop you from looking like a gelatine hag. You have piles, constipation, period pains, mood swings, depression, anxiety and PMT.

Very enlightened, old chap. I can see that you are the epitome of true British gentlemanliness. Taking advantage of a weakness is not an act that is by any means morally recommended. I know, probably you consider morality a disease.

 

But don’t work when you hit 50 you’ll dry up… Just at the point you decide you want babies now that you have reached to the top of your boardroom ego career. Most likely by sleeping your way to the top.

At least one theory that makes sense. It explains why women would skip you. But of course, it is not representative of women at all. It is just representative of a guy who holds highly distorted and disrespectful views on women, which are not justified at all (as you probably have gone for a very specific subset of women, time and again) of all women. And such views would not even attract a skunk, let alone someone of the human race.

 

As for me I had to work for a living!!!! But after that I can say that vengeance is a dish best served cold. But when you have been knocked down and as far back as I have and the self hate and self loathing take over because you have done everything to try and get a single date or promise of a date and still it is not nearly good enough then your point of view changes. Personally I just want to die because this world makes me so SICK!!!!

Your post is suggestive of quite a few other problems. Things you probably radiate too unconsciously. And non-verbal signs are also signs. As long as you do not acknowledge that, you will be unsuccesful. And as stated earlier, I think half of the problem for you is the women you take an interest in. Of course, this is just a rant, but in so far anything substantial has been mentioned it is more reflective of you, than of the subject of the rant.

[lindya]

when you have been knocked down and as far back as I have and the self hate and self loathing take over because you have done everything to try and get a single date or promise of a date and still it is not nearly good enough then your point of view changes. Personally I just want to die because this world makes me so SICK!!!!

 

You mentioned something about going back to the caveman era. Here's a handy thing to think about. If men are natural predators and women are natural prey, can you imagine how perceptive nature made us in order to protect ourselves from predators?

 

However much you think you can conceal your animosity when you talk to us, we'll smell it a mile off. We see that white knuckle when something minor irritates you, note the clenched muscle in your face when another bloke pats us on the bum as he passes. Catch the flash of contempt in your eyes when we expressed anything approximating a feminist viewpoint. We might not say anything about it, but the fact that you try to hide it won't stop us from very quickly sussing out what's going on in your head.

 

I'm not surprised you keep getting knocked back, I'm simply relieved that the good women of Scotland are smart enough to stay away from someone with the thoughts and attitude you've demonstrated here. Thanks for taking it all out and putting it on a post for our perusal - but I doubt the inner workings of an embittered misogynistic mind come as any great revelation to many of us. Get thee to a therapist. What more can one say?

[whichwayisup]

What do women want?

 

To be happy, understood, wanted, desired, needed, loved, and to LOVE someone.

 

Do women like sex?

 

Yes. I know I do.

 

it possible for a man to get a date?

 

With me? Nope, taken. But I'm sure men can get dates.

 

Does a girl need to work hard to have an independent life style?

Yes, and just like men, we need to work and DO things for ourselves. It's OK to depend on people but not all the time.

 

Is the role of the father redundant?

 

Uhmm, no. Kids benefit from having a mother and a father. Neither parent is redundant.

 

Q: Are woman intelligent?

 

I am. Some women are, some aren't. Just like some men are, and some aren't. There are some very unintelligent people in this world...

 

Do woman start war?

 

Maybe during PMS, but no...I don't believe women start wars.

 

Are woman insecure?

 

At times in our lives, yes. But aren't we all? Man, woman, young girl, young boy...It's part of growing up and becoming a fullrounded person. We all go through things in life that make us feel insecure. There isn't one person who hasn't felt insecure in their life. If they say no, they're full of it!

[kitten chick]

This post cracked me up. I can see why you can't get dates dude.

 

D'Arthez, great post!

[lindya]

There are different types of intelligence. There's this....

 

I hold degrees in medicine, mathematics and computer science.

 

And there's also the emotional intelligence you disparage...

 

Q: Are woman intelligent?

 

A: Depends on the definition of intelligence. As woman did poorly in IQ tests a new test called EQ tests were invented to make them feel better about themselves.

 

From people with a high EQ, you're unlikely to hear comments such as...

 

I am 31 years old and I have never in my life had a single girlfriend or a relationship in any shape or form.

 

There are many people who do, of course, score highly in both IQ and EQ tests. Again, from such people you would be unlikely to hear....

 

Q: Are woman insecure?

 

A: Yes, and their insecurities should be taken advantage of at every turn. So to all the women out there: You are a stupid fat cow; you are up the duff; your man is off shagging another bird; your life has no meaning; your bum does look big that dress and no amount of make up will ever stop you from looking like a gelatine hag. You have piles, constipation, period pains, mood swings, depression, anxiety and PMT. But don’t work when you hit 50 you’ll dry up… Just at the point you decide you want babies now that you have reached to the top of your boardroom ego career. Most likely by sleeping your way to the top.As for me I had to work for a living!!!! But after that I can say that vengeance is a dish best served cold. But when you have been knocked down and as far back as I have and the self hate and self loathing take over because you have done everything to try and get a single date or promise of a date and still it is not nearly good enough then your point of view changes. Personally I just want to die because this world makes me so SICK!!!!

 

I recommend you read Emotional Intelligence by Daniel Goleman (Bloomsbury, 1996). You're attacking the validity of emotional intelligence because it's an area in which you're lacking. Many people deride those with intellectual aptitude for the same reason (eg "No common sense, of course...").

 

Whatever your qualifications and however high your IQ, it's not getting you the things you want. Your post has demonstrated that. It's suggestive of someone who grew up believing that a good academic brain would get him everything he wanted...but who's now being disillusioned by the discovery that it takes more than intellect to succeed.

 

You can rail forever against the world and against women, or you can adapt yourself to succeed in the world the way it is. To like women the way they are. It's your call. Wallowing in gloom and re-inforcing your own prejudices and faulty perceptions with vents like the one you posted here will hurt nobody except you. I hope that now you've had your outburst, you'll think about taking positive action to improve your life (not to mention your views about, and relationships with, women).

[ReluctantRomeo]

There are many people who do, of course, score highly in both IQ and EQ tests.

 

And those who do, usually rate EQ more highly IME.

 

 

Whatever your qualifications and however high your IQ, it's not getting you the things you want.

 

And here's the reality, Bonesucker: you throw out all this stuff about hating women, but the real point of the rant is that you need one and can't get one. Classic sour grapes, in the original, Aesop's fable sense (since I'm guessing you'll enjoy intellectual references).

 

 

You can rail forever against the world and against women, or you can adapt yourself to succeed in the world the way it is. To like women the way they are.

 

Exactly. So here are my suggestions:

 

- go get therapy. All that anger has got to get sorted out.

 

- swallow your pride, ask female friends and relatives for advice on shaping up, relating to women and being dateable.

 

- practice making friends with women and being friendly with female colleagues. No romantic motive, just to get to know and understand them a little better.

 

Yes, women do have their own logic. But that's part of their attraction and charm

[tonyp56]

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

 

Wow, I don't know what to say to that, I guess, the first thing I'd ask, why do you want to be with a woman? And the second, for someone that has never had a GF, you sure know a lot about women when it comes to sex, could this be the reason why you don't have a girlfriend?

 

I don't agree with you. I feel like women are very much my equal, men may have some abilities that women don't, but guess what women have their strengths too, and when you put it together we (women and men) are very much equal.

[bonezuk]

Once a upon a time, I was a “nice guy”. However seeing as women will never go out with a nice guys and only go out with complete and total gerks I have decided that I want to be a complete and total gerk. Especially in regards towards women. This has fortunately proved to be very easy to do as the current fashion is for women to constantly hate and blame men for all their problems. So I am just returning the favour.

 

Why would I have such a view of women? This can be easily illustrated by the average media contents within the space of the last 24 hours. A classic example is an article in the Times today describing how politicians in Switzland are proposing a “man tax”. Namely because men are responsible for the great majority of crime and that a tax should be placed on a man for being a man.

 

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,171-1840965,00.html

 

This kind of political thinking I find more and more common. A particular element of society is taken and demonised and blamed for all of societies ills. Now these groups are never black, Muslim, women, gays or lesbians. Anyone who says anything bad about them is immediately labelled intolerant, a bigot and racist. So this really leaves white heterosexual men, be they fat or some kid who wears a hood, as the group whose role it is to act like societies punch bag.

 

A number of good examples come immediately to mind. When the head of metropolitan police force said that a greater number of black people in relation to white people were the perpetrators of crime he was immediately labelled a racist and called on to resign for reporting the facts. When a BBC presenter gives an opinion in a national newspaper concerning his view that “the Arabs should be grateful” in reference to removing Saddam Hussein from power he is fired from his job at the BBC. So much for freedom of speech.

 

But when someone is accused of terrorism or a kid is told off for stabbing someone at school then the full force of the humans right laws comes into effect. And so they are free to get away literally with murder. They are off course championed by the teams of human rights lawyers led by HRH Cherie Blair who is in favour of kids blowing themselves up onboard buses. Off course the human rights lawyer is being sold as the ideal career for the modern woman. So my view is that society is far more interested in protecting the rights of terrorists and yobs. A good example is social services, a majority woman workplace, recommendation to judges that a youth up for murder should do community service rather a prison term. If some group of yobs beat me to death with sticks and a bottle, which commonly occurs around here, the typical sentence for doing this would be about six months in jail. That is the value that modern society has placed on my life – community service and if your very unlucky a small stint in jail.

 

So on the TV last night there was a documentary about called young, angry and Muslim. It was about how the young in Muslim communities were turning to drugs and violence as they felt alienated and disillusioned with Britain. Again all the blame was directly aimed at people like myself for not doing enough to engage them. Yet British politics seems to be dedicated to fulfilling all the needs of these communities. It certainly was dedicated enough for Labour to rig the Birmingham by-election. So much for Blair’s commitment to democracy but more his dictatorship.

 

Next there was a program called Wife Swap which had your typical single mother man-hater on it. She was the typical image of modern woman by having unruly kids that she didn’t look after. The kids looked after themselves with the oldest boy acting as a father to his younger siblings. Most of the program was spent dedicated to her saying “I don’t need a man. No man tells me what to do.” All I see is fat lazy cow that does not want to or have the responsibility of raising her children.

 

I live in Glasgow where recent figures show that 20% of the working population is on fulltime sickness benefit. That is one in five people of working age are to sick or disabled to work. I live in an area that is predominantly run by the council where the majority of people living there are single mothers who are men haters. They are unpleasant and extremely rude. Also as no women can be bothered working in the computer industry this gives me my main impression of women as lazy rude beasts. All the while the press is full of articles constantly degrading and blaming men for all the problems of the world. Personally I have never seen or heard a woman take responsibility for herself or her own actions. “Someone else is always to blame. And it’s usually a man” is the common line.

 

And why should I have the impression that clubs are the only place to pick up women? Well if you try and hit on them anywhere else then expect them to start screaming rape or accuse you of sexual harassment. Nothing can destroy a mans life faster than false accusation of sexual misconduct. I’ve heard and seen 10 year old girls shout “I’m going to say you raped me” to 10 year old boys because they bumped into them while in the playground. The false accusation of rape or sexual harassment is usually used as first choice weapon of fear against men. And for simply trying to chat them up. Well a nightclub is the only place where it is still socially acceptable for a man to chat a woman up. Everywhere else has been subject to the full force and scale of the law.

 

But why target women if my gripe is with modern politics. Well let me give another example of pro-feminist thinking. The Adam Smith College is to be renamed the Jennie Lee College. Adam Smith is the economist who wrote “The Wealth of Nations” and was the founder of modern day capitalism and can be considered one of the greatest men in British history. The college is being renamed in honour of the socialist Jennie Lee who was once a Labour MP. Jennie who???? The reason is because capitalism is seen as an evil cancer even though I earn every penny I make through this system. Where by the single mother down at my local Asda gets all her money from the socialist welfare system which in turn is funded straight from my pocket. All the while I am receiving false letters from the council demanding payment and threatening court action even though I have paid the tax.

 

So in wanting to do my home work on how to try and get a date with women I want to find out about women. And what do I keep reading. Tonnes of stuff on the feminist movement and behind it the driving need and requirement to hate men. A really good example of this is the SCUM manifesto and reading it one can draw direct parallels with the state of modern politics and society.

 

http://www.womynkind.org/scum.htm

 

Basically a drive to remove men from society and replace there role with that of large government. And this is what I am seeing on the street day in day out.

 

So I have decided to take a leaf from their book. That is to drop any sense of self respect, dignity, charm, hospitality and instead be rude, make feeble accusations and rant and scream into the wind. In that way I will become a total gerk and maybe be able to get a date.

[morrigan]

For the most part, no one receives a silver platter with the things they desire on it, including you. Having a certain degree or a career doesn't entitle you to anything more than the salary you earn from it.

 

Obviously you can become a manipulator and wannabe player and transform yourself from the "nice" guy you purport to be. Some women will eat this up, usually the ones who need hot and cold drama or those females impressed by the trappings of status-- good looks, money, career or celebrity.

 

Then you can whine and moan about how you can't have a real relationship with any of these women, they aren't what you are looking for. . But hey, you'll get laid, so have a good time with the boring, uneducated sluts you will meet.

[lilmoma1973]

I guess what women want or atleast some women to beloved ,respected ,appreciated and never taken for granted!! To always have intimacy outside the bedroom as well as in the bedroom !!! To always put the family first above all others !!!

[Blackfrost]

after reading your last post here bonezuk, I can kind of understand the road you are heading down mentally (I went through this for a period as well - where I was convinced women were gold diggers who simply went for the highest bidder) and it's not a good road. Being a jerk only works some guys, and usually it doesn't end up resulting in a foundation that lends itself to a long term relationship - or at least not the type of relationship that you sound like you would ultimately like to have.

 

What I think you really need to question (I had to do this as well at one point in my life) is evaluate what type of woman it is you are really looking for. D'arthez said it very well in his post (summized by saying)

 

I guess this is more telling of the women you are interested in, than of women themselves.

 

I don't know what type of women you are setting as your bar (standard) but it may be possible that you are reaching beyond your means. I know a handful of women who will be single forever, because they are holding out until the supermodel men decide that unkept, bitter, low self esteem, badly out of shape women are the ones they want to date. Now, I'm not saying this is you by any means, but I am saying that these are people who refuse to accurately evaluate themselves through the eyes of a potential mate.

 

Don't mistake my post as saying "lower your standards" but it sounds like you need to re-evaluate what it is that you are truly seeking, and whether or not you would appear to be a "catch" in the eyes of that person as well. Finding a person you want to spend the rest of your life with is a full time job in and of itself until you suceed.

 

Cheers

[d'Arthez]

Once a upon a time, I was a “nice guy”. However seeing as women will never go out with a nice guys and only go out with complete and total gerks I have decided that I want to be a complete and total gerk.

They prefer not to go out with the obnoxious women-hating type of nice guy, who thinks of himself as a divine gift bestowed upon humankind. Becoming a jerk is only replacing the nice guy bit with the "gerk" bit.

 

I am a "nice guy." And it would not be hard for me to get dates with women (if I were single). Only if I make 133 demands on the woman, it becomes hard. That she is beautiful, has an IQ above 160. Has at least three degrees. These three alone would limit me to about 100 women of all ages in the UK. If you make demands, make sure you can back them up, otherwise women will pass up on the invitation. And the more demands you make, the less likely you are to encounter a woman who fits the bill.

But I will concede that if the difference between two people is too great, in terms of intellectual abilities, people tend to pass for such invitations too.

 

Especially in regards towards women. This has fortunately proved to be very easy to do as the current fashion is for women to constantly hate and blame men for all their problems. So I am just returning the favour.

And where will it get you? And you are deluding yourself here again. Some women blame men for everything. Some men blame women for everything. Both the men and the women who do that, are not attractive to date. Period.

You don't want to get involved with a manhater. And a woman does not want to get involved with a womanhater. And frankly, there is no need for a succesful man like you, to become one.

 

A classic example is an article in the Times today describing how politicians in Switzland are proposing a “man tax”. Namely because men are responsible for the great majority of crime and that a tax should be placed on a man for being a man.

It seems an insane proposal, but it can be backed up by stats. The majority of crimes is indeed perpetuated by men. But the trend is that women and girls get more and more involved in crime to, compared to boys. It is not even that much different from what the current UK government is trying to do in so many different areas.

And yes, taxpayers also include non-criminals who pay for the upkeep of prisons, and the police. So you are paying for what others are doing anyways. Just as people in some remote village are paying national taxes which are spent on determining whether or not the golf course you may use is beneficial to the community. It happens all the time.

 

This kind of political thinking I find more and more common. A particular element of society is taken and demonised and blamed for all of societies ills. Now these groups are never black, Muslim, women, gays or lesbians. Anyone who says anything bad about them is immediately labelled intolerant, a bigot and racist. So this really leaves white heterosexual men, be they fat or some kid who wears a hood, as the group whose role it is to act like societies punch bag.

50 years prior the lesbians, the Muslims, the women and the blacks were the punching bags. And now that does not apply anymore. And thus, when people may actually defend themselves, the heterosexual white man, suddenly feels "defenseless", when he is in fact on more or less equal ground.

 

A number of good examples come immediately to mind. When the head of metropolitan police force said that a greater number of black people in relation to white people were the perpetrators of crime he was immediately labelled a racist and called on to resign for reporting the facts. When a BBC presenter gives an opinion in a national newspaper concerning his view that “the Arabs should be grateful” in reference to removing Saddam Hussein from power he is fired from his job at the BBC. So much for freedom of speech.

One problem with crime-prevention is that most attention is given to groups that are labelled criminal. If you spend 3 times as much time looking at blacks instead of whites, and find that they commit twice as much crime, you could also argue that the incidence of crime is only 2/3 of that when white people are observed. It is very difficult to make statements on the perpetrators of crime because of many things like that.

If Mr. Kilroy-Silk had just said that it would be insane. But he did not just say that. He said a lot of things more. And a lot of those things were indeed offensive.

If people in Iraq were saying: "We are grateful to those pig****ers who will go to hell, who got rid of Saddam Hussein for us", to refer to the British, they are still professing gratitude. And of course a Brit would not feel insulted .

 

But when someone is accused of terrorism or a kid is told off for stabbing someone at school then the full force of the humans right laws comes into effect. And so they are free to get away literally with murder. They are off course championed by the teams of human rights lawyers led by HRH Cherie Blair who is in favour of kids blowing themselves up onboard buses. Off course the human rights lawyer is being sold as the ideal career for the modern woman. So my view is that society is far more interested in protecting the rights of terrorists and yobs.

Yes. If you are suspicious, you can be put in jail without trial in the UK. Without contact or anything. Surely, the UK is doing the best it can to protect terrorists, and not civilians .

You are attributing views to people they don't hold. So you are making a quagmire here, and one that is not attractive at all. If you were having the opportunity to get to know a human rights' lawyer, and were going to put this forward to her, she would run for the hills. And the same is true of a lot of views you hold.

A good example is social services, a majority woman workplace, recommendation to judges that a youth up for murder should do community service rather a prison term. If some group of yobs beat me to death with sticks and a bottle, which commonly occurs around here, the typical sentence for doing this would be about six months in jail. That is the value that modern society has placed on my life – community service and if your very unlucky a small stint in jail.

Part of the effectiveness of community service is because it is not a jail sentence. On average, people get out of jail worse, than they got in. So either you are going to look for ways to keep people in jail forever, or for ways to motivate them as much as possible to behave in the future. If you are convicted for murder, there is no chance that you will get community service, if I am not mistaken.

 

Your views are highly distorted. Imagine someone trying to hold a conversation with you, about any subject in politics. How could a person follow your thoughts, especially if you are wanting to date / get involved with a well-educated woman?

 

So on the TV last night there was a documentary about called young, angry and Muslim. It was about how the young in Muslim communities were turning to drugs and violence as they felt alienated and disillusioned with Britain. Again all the blame was directly aimed at people like myself for not doing enough to engage them. Yet British politics seems to be dedicated to fulfilling all the needs of these communities. It certainly was dedicated enough for Labour to rig the Birmingham by-election. So much for Blair’s commitment to democracy but more his dictatorship.

Yes, by selling out community housing. By attacking living standards, and declining real wages for the majority of people. By attacking welfare benefits. The rising costs of education. Not to mention all kinds of social ostracizing following the events of 9/11. A lot of tension has become visible in the UK. And part of the problem is exactly the political process. Where political parties see people as obnoxious voting cattle. "I need your vote, but for crying out loud shut up afterward!", is not attributing to these people feeling at home in the UK.

 

I live in Glasgow where recent figures show that 20% of the working population is on fulltime sickness benefit. That is one in five people of working age are to sick or disabled to work. I live in an area that is predominantly run by the council where the majority of people living there are single mothers who are men haters. They are unpleasant and extremely rude.

Sounds like that particular neighborhood in Glasgow is not your most well-off neighborhood. With its consequences, and that is affecting people too. If the majority of people are single women with kids, just try to think of the consequences and strains it puts on these women and kids.

And probably the stats are a bit skewed. People above 50 will probably be overpresented in there. Especially if Glasgow has heavy industry, it is not a surprise if many people's bodies cannot take that for 50 years or so (considering that they start working quite young).

 

Also as no women can be bothered working in the computer industry this gives me my main impression of women as lazy rude beasts. All the while the press is full of articles constantly degrading and blaming men for all the problems of the world. Personally I have never seen or heard a woman take responsibility for herself or her own actions. “Someone else is always to blame. And it’s usually a man” is the common line.

If I would be interested in working 18 hours a day, I would sell myself as a slave in India. Can you imagine how appealing the whole computer industry is? Especially if you are the one who will be held responsible for the kids? Which is still what happens in the UK: the woman is responsible for the kids. Mr Blair has has much to say about the importance of the family in its "classic" and outdated form.

 

And why should I have the impression that clubs are the only place to pick up women? Well if you try and hit on them anywhere else then expect them to start screaming rape or accuse you of sexual harassment. Nothing can destroy a mans life faster than false accusation of sexual misconduct. I’ve heard and seen 10 year old girls shout “I’m going to say you raped me” to 10 year old boys because they bumped into them while in the playground.

I doubt, in fact I am certain of it, that a ten year old can oversee the moral consequences of her actions. That is one of the reasons why 10 year olds do not have voting rights. Drinking rights. Rights to engage in sexual activity.

 

I am afraid that is telling more of your approach, then of women. You can approach women nicely, and with confidence. And you can come across as a desperate lunatic who is willing to do anything to get what he wants. There is a difference there.

It is not hard to strike up conversation with women elsewhere. But it requires a few skills. If you can master these skills, you could do that too, and get dates from almost any situation.

 

The false accusation of rape or sexual harassment is usually used as first choice weapon of fear against men. And for simply trying to chat them up. Well a nightclub is the only place where it is still socially acceptable for a man to chat a woman up. Everywhere else has been subject to the full force and scale of the law.

That is absolute nonsense. Unless your pickup line is: "Spread your legs." As I stated a bit earlier, it requires a bit of skill to chat up women. Empathy and understanding, for starters.

 

But why target women if my gripe is with modern politics. Well let me give another example of pro-feminist thinking. The Adam Smith College is to be renamed the Jennie Lee College. Adam Smith is the economist who wrote “The Wealth of Nations” and was the founder of modern day capitalism and can be considered one of the greatest men in British history.

He was not the founder of capitalism. He "merely" explained parts of it. It has nothing to do with feminism. It has everything to do with the sad fact that people cannot relate to this Scot anymore. Because he wrote his main work more than 2 centuries ago.

 

The reason is because capitalism is seen as an evil cancer even though I earn every penny I make through this system. Where by the single mother down at my local Asda gets all her money from the socialist welfare system which in turn is funded straight from my pocket.

First of all, it is not socialist. But social democratic. There is a big difference there. And second of all, the single mother pays for your career too. If there were no kids, what good does the economy do? You cannot teach. And if you are in a more customer oriented environment, you are talking about future customers. And what is a company without future customers? It is a corked bottle, with no wine in it.

And as long as you see social relations solely in terms of money, what kind of woman / man would agree with you? The ones you want to date, or the ones you should avoid as effectively as possible?

 

So in wanting to do my home work on how to try and get a date with women I want to find out about women. And what do I keep reading. Tonnes of stuff on the feminist movement and behind it the driving need and requirement to hate men. A really good example of this is the SCUM manifesto and reading it one can draw direct parallels with the state of modern politics and society.

Umm, why do you see a woman who has proven her mental instability by attempting to murder one of the most important artists of the twentieth century as representative for all women? That is like holding George W. Bush is the epitome of intelligence, the highest a man can aspire to be. That has nothing to do with feminism though, and nothing with the views of 99.9 % of the women around you. Reading crap like that will not help you relate to women at all. It will be detrimental.

 

So I have decided to take a leaf from their book. That is to drop any sense of self respect, dignity, charm, hospitality and instead be rude, make feeble accusations and rant and scream into the wind. In that way I will become a total gerk and maybe be able to get a date.

You would be exactly doing what SCUM claims men to be doing. And really, what does it benefit you? Nothing.

 

If a woman takes you for an idiot, while you are behaving in a correct fashion, is telling more of that woman, than of you. If however you are behaving like an idiot, it is accurate judgement on the part of the woman.

You want the first thing to happen, and not the second thing.

 

It is impossible to make accurate judgements on what went wrong when you approached women in the past, across the internet. You have two options: address your issues, or become a womanhater. And it is not hard to imagine how fulfilling the life of the latter is. It is better to opt for the former.

[lindya]

So I have decided to take a leaf from their book. That is to drop any sense of self respect, dignity, charm, hospitality and instead be rude, make feeble accusations and rant and scream into the wind. In that way I will become a total gerk and maybe be able to get a date.

 

I see you're not heeding any of the responses attempting to help and advise you, so I'll keep this one quick.

 

Make an appointment with your GP. Print out this whole thread, take it with you and explain that you are "bonezuk". This is intended to be serious advice, and I really would urge you to take it.

[Blackfrost]

Make an appointment with your GP. Print out this whole thread, take it with you and explain that you are "bonezuk".

 

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

 

...great....now my co-workers are staring at me, wondering why I just burst out laughing so hard

[ponder24]

Well I hate to say it, but no wonder you can't get a girl if you let your beliefs and attitude slip out. I am a 24 yr hard working female,,I have worked hard, and must continue working hard to survive. Yes it would be easy for me to f*!# a rich guy, get knocked up, and be supported the rest of my life(like I admit a lot of women do) BUT I, as I am sure many other women are not like that. Women have not contributed to discoveries/science as much as man, b/c we were not allowed to even voice our opinions/or be in the workforce as long as men have. I hope you do meet a girl who can change your views. I admit, women's minds can get f'd up for sure,,we DONT always know what we want(I am def guilty of this) but this is the way god, or whatever has made us,,so we gotta take it and live with it. Men have their downsides too I assure you!!!You are obviously bitter at the world,,,and when in reality who isn't!?! We live an a crazy, hard to understand, hard to live place, and for that I have no suggestions.....

[lindya]

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

 

...great....now my co-workers are staring at me, wondering why I just burst out laughing so hard

 

Good thing you're not a doctor, Blackfrost

[ButtonPusher]

anyone else think d-arthez has too much time on his hands?

:laugh:

 

By the way bonzy, the plural of woman is WOMEN. Didn't they teach you grammar at school?

 

As for your rant, perhaps you are a closet homosexual? Celebrate your gayness champ and enjoy life!

[d'Arthez]

anyone else think d-arthez has too much time on his hands?

:laugh:

I don't.

[Mz. Pixie]

Anyone here notice how he makes a big deal out of talking about how intelligent he is and how many things he excels at but yet he spells JERK-GERK and says ORGANISM instead of ORGASM.

 

Hell if a guy couldn't even spell orgasm or had it confused with some type of science equivalent then I'd be hard pressed to give him a date too!

 

Here is another man, who thinks he's cornered the market on heartache. The NERVE of someone to hurt him because he's a NICE GUY.

Oh, and we women, we turned him into this because he can't get a date.

Please, if heartache and mistreatment gave you a license to mistreat others or put yourself above them, then alot of people on this board would really be dishing it out.

 

You think you have problems Bone?? Go down to the homeless shelter or the children's cancer ward and then sit around and rationalize how you have to be a jackass because in the past you've been hurt. PLEEEEEEAAAAASSSEEEE!

[lindya]

Hell if a guy couldn't even spell orgasm or had it confused with some type of science equivalent then I'd be hard pressed to give him a date too!

 

In this particular case, poor spelling would be the least of my worries. My main concern would be that if that poster ever did manage to get himself a woman, the resentment and contempt he feels towards the opposite sex would manifest itself in unpleasant, and potentially very harmful, ways.

[bonezuk]

I would like to say a big thank you to everyone who replied to my pathetic little rant. It has helped me see the error of my ways and the wrongness of my views as a self-confessed male chauvinistic pig. I grovel on the ground begging for your forgiveness to such an unholy diatribe.

 

My words were offensive, brutal and savage. I am utterly disgraced and have been brought low through my disgraceful actions. I might as well have stood naked in the middle of the street and defecated all over myself, such is my dishonour. My eyes should be gouged out from their sockets, my tongue cut out and my hands severed as fitting punishment to one who commits such a despicable hate crime.

 

There was also no plausible excuse for my ignominious grammar. My wording was clumsy and inept, as to was my spelling. I promise with what little honour that I have left that I will repeatedly smash my face off the wall until it is a bloody mess for such an appalling use of the English language.

 

I realise now that I must immediately seek medical help and social re-education for my primeval views and beliefs. I am a deeply sick and nauseating little worm that has no worth or value in modern society. It was insidious of myself to write such an article. But to also have the extreme arrogance and nerve to expect that a woman might want to go out on a date with pond scum such as myself is an unforgivable sin for which I must burn in the deepest bowels of hell with the paedophiles for all eternity.