Woggle Posted November 6, 2006 Posted November 6, 2006 This can apply to any guy in any relationship married or dating. Too often when a woman bitches at a guy, cheats on him or does anything he blames himself and tries to change. He constantly changes his behavior and bends over backwards doing whatever will make her happy. This pretty gives a woman the ability to mold a man like clay. He is whatever she wants him to be and he has no core to him anymore. He barely even knows who he is. While conventional logic will tell you this is what men are supposed to do it is the worst thing a man can do. Women may enjoy this power at first but eventually she will get bored of it and lose attraction because she loses repsect for him. The most important thing is that she respect you and a woman does not respect a man that is made of clay. A man like that is not strong and even strong women are attracted to strong men.
melodymatters Posted November 6, 2006 Posted November 6, 2006 Ummm... the clay analogy does not apply to most of the men I know or have met !! Quite the opposite ! I think you'll find more woman who " bend" for the sake of a relationship than vice versa. PS. everyone should be open minded, but nobody should be so clay-like they get smooshed !!!
Author Woggle Posted November 6, 2006 Author Posted November 6, 2006 Ummm... the clay analogy does not apply to most of the men I know or have met !! Quite the opposite ! I think you'll find more woman who " bend" for the sake of a relationship than vice versa. PS. everyone should be open minded, but nobody should be so clay-like they get smooshed !!! That may have been the case in the past but certainly not today. I know many guys who have marital problems and no matter what type of crap their wives pull they blame themselves and bend over backwards for the woman. This only makes things worse.
alphamale Posted November 6, 2006 Posted November 6, 2006 what internet site did you get this from WOGGLE? I already know you don't adhere to any of this stuff in real life.
Author Woggle Posted November 6, 2006 Author Posted November 6, 2006 what internet site did you get this from WOGGLE? I already know you don't adhere to any of this stuff in real life. I thought of it myself while at the supermarket yesterday. I also adhere to it myself. I love my wife and I try to be a great husband but she starts acting up and tries to pull that entitlment mentality with me and she is out of here. She knows it too and if she cheats I am throwing all her stuff on the lawn. Hopefully it will never get to that point though.
Art_Critic Posted November 6, 2006 Posted November 6, 2006 I keep the toilet seat down at home just because I like to.. does that mean I'm clay ready to be premolded by a woman ? No.. you can't generalize men/women like that woogle.. we are individual people and products of our enviroments
a4a Posted November 6, 2006 Posted November 6, 2006 I keep the toilet seat down at home just because I like to.. does that mean I'm clay ready to be premolded by a woman ? No.. you can't generalize men/women like that woogle.. we are individual people and products of our enviroments Did you read that Woggle....... it does apply.
DanielMadr Posted November 6, 2006 Posted November 6, 2006 This can apply to any guy in any relationship married or dating. Too often when a woman bitches at a guy, cheats on him or does anything he blames himself and tries to change. He constantly changes his behavior and bends over backwards doing whatever will make her happy. This pretty gives a woman the ability to mold a man like clay. He is whatever she wants him to be and he has no core to him anymore. He barely even knows who he is. While conventional logic will tell you this is what men are supposed to do it is the worst thing a man can do. Women may enjoy this power at first but eventually she will get bored of it and lose attraction because she loses repsect for him. The most important thing is that she respect you and a woman does not respect a man that is made of clay. A man like that is not strong and even strong women are attracted to strong men. AMEN brother
Author Woggle Posted November 6, 2006 Author Posted November 6, 2006 I keep the toilet seat down at home just because I like to.. does that mean I'm clay ready to be premolded by a woman ? No.. you can't generalize men/women like that woogle.. we are individual people and products of our enviroments I kept the seat down when I was single and this is not what it is about. What I mean is that men need to stop blaming themselves for everything that goes wrong and stop being willing to bend over backwards no matter what she does.
Mz. Pixie Posted November 6, 2006 Posted November 6, 2006 Are you still in therapy Woggle??? Time for another visit, I'm thinking.
melodymatters Posted November 6, 2006 Posted November 6, 2006 This sounds like YOU talking about YOURSELF or YOUR marriage. Thats fine, thats what we do here, but thats rather a blanket generalization don't you think ?
Author Woggle Posted November 6, 2006 Author Posted November 6, 2006 This sounds like YOU talking about YOURSELF or YOUR marriage. Thats fine, thats what we do here, but thats rather a blanket generalization don't you think ? My marriage is nothing at all like this. I am speaking about many of my friend's marriages though. My marriage is great.
a4a Posted November 6, 2006 Posted November 6, 2006 I kept the seat down when I was single and this is not what it is about. What I mean is that men need to stop blaming themselves for everything that goes wrong and stop being willing to bend over backwards no matter what she does. What men are doing that? You? Your father? What men?
Author Woggle Posted November 6, 2006 Author Posted November 6, 2006 What men are doing that? You? Your father? What men? MOst men I know and look at this board. Many men are blaming themselves when their wives cheat or suddenly walk out on them.
a4a Posted November 6, 2006 Posted November 6, 2006 MOst men I know and look at this board. Many men are blaming themselves when their wives cheat or suddenly walk out on them. I would say a good majority of people blame themselves when a spouse walks out on them, and for many it is a good thing to look at it and figure out why the spouse did leave....... If a spouse was so pleased they probably would not leave would they. Now it is only silly to say she or he just left for no reason at all. Of course there is a reason. Be it a issue the leaving spouse has or that maybe they felt unwanted, undesired, in a sexless M....... so yep if a spouse leaves you there is a chance you could be the cause or part of the reason they left. It is not about control, clay, or anything else......just a good chance it is true. So better to examine it and learn from it. Most men are not cheated on or left just because a women suddenly gets a wild hair up her ass. ah and it works that way for men cheating/leaving too.
SmoochieFace Posted November 6, 2006 Posted November 6, 2006 I find the female responses in this thread to be interesting. Women always say they want guys who are decisive, have strong backbones, and confident. Then a guy (Woggle) comes on here and basically tells men to be those things by being his own man and not being wishy-washy, etc. and the women STILL complain! So women do not want pussywimps for guys and they don't want decisive guys either. Hmmm... Good God... what the hell do you women want!
Author Woggle Posted November 6, 2006 Author Posted November 6, 2006 I find the female responses in this thread to be interesting. Women always say they want guys who are decisive, have strong backbones, and confident. Then a guy (Woggle) comes on here and basically tells men to be those things by being his own man and not being wishy-washy, etc. and the women STILL complain! So women do not want pussywimps for guys and they don't want decisive guys either. Hmmm... Good God... what the hell do you women want! Women complain about a guy like me but we have most of the success with women. Most of these guys in here are crying because their wife left while my ex is in jail because she could not accept losing me. This should tell people something
norajane Posted November 6, 2006 Posted November 6, 2006 Woggle, don't you think there might be a difference between the men who pour out their hearts and feelings on LS and the majority of men out there? Most men I know would never in a million years come to LS, and they wouldn't blame themselves for everything and they would not bend over backwards no matter what a woman does. LS is hardly a representative sample of men.
Author Woggle Posted November 6, 2006 Author Posted November 6, 2006 Woggle, don't you think there might be a difference between the men who pour out their hearts and feelings on LS and the majority of men out there? Most men I know would never in a million years come to LS, and they wouldn't blame themselves for everything and they would not bend over backwards no matter what a woman does. LS is hardly a representative sample of men. Actually I have seen quite a few men who feel it is all their fault. My father still blames himself for what my mother became.
Rooster_DAR Posted November 6, 2006 Posted November 6, 2006 This can apply to any guy in any relationship married or dating. Too often when a woman bitches at a guy, cheats on him or does anything he blames himself and tries to change. He constantly changes his behavior and bends over backwards doing whatever will make her happy. This pretty gives a woman the ability to mold a man like clay. He is whatever she wants him to be and he has no core to him anymore. He barely even knows who he is. While conventional logic will tell you this is what men are supposed to do it is the worst thing a man can do. Women may enjoy this power at first but eventually she will get bored of it and lose attraction because she loses repsect for him. The most important thing is that she respect you and a woman does not respect a man that is made of clay. A man like that is not strong and even strong women are attracted to strong men. Woggle has some good points here, and it holds a little validity. I won't generalize, but in the past I've had this happen to me and people I know as well. The same thing happened to me, and my EX left the relationship emotionally and physically. Now, this is our own fault as well to some degree, because nobody should be a doormat. On the other hand, I also believe that it's true that a lot of women do try to change a man. Whether it be a test, or a problem with insecurity it happens. I learned from this issue and I will not let anyone change who I am to the degree that I don't have my identity anymore. Cheers!
alphamale Posted November 6, 2006 Posted November 6, 2006 Women complain about a guy like me but we have most of the success with women. I don't know if I'd call being married to a woman 15 yrs your senior "success"... LS is hardly a representative sample of men. I would agree...LS is dominated by younger and less mature men who haven't figured anything out yet.
Author Woggle Posted November 6, 2006 Author Posted November 6, 2006 If you ever met her you would call it a success.
Rooster_DAR Posted November 6, 2006 Posted November 6, 2006 I find the female responses in this thread to be interesting. Women always say they want guys who are decisive, have strong backbones, and confident. Then a guy (Woggle) comes on here and basically tells men to be those things by being his own man and not being wishy-washy, etc. and the women STILL complain! So women do not want pussywimps for guys and they don't want decisive guys either. Hmmm... Good God... what the hell do you women want! Good point here, we are left with trying to figure that out. Personally, I think women like a man who stands up for himself and fights for something he really believes. If he continues to give in, it allows the woman to lose respect for him. At the same time, if a man is too calloused and not able to bend just the right amount, then he is also in target of being a bad B/F. That to me is the reason a lot of nice guys get the short end, they simply don't stand their ground. Sometimes it's just really hard to figure out women want, and I'm sure a lot of guys will attest to that. Cheers!
alphamale Posted November 6, 2006 Posted November 6, 2006 If you ever met her you would call it a success. wait for 10 or 15 years...
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