Author JamesM Posted September 29, 2006 Author Posted September 29, 2006 I can definately understand the desire to cheat, but a prostitute? The worry about "swapping fluids" would be really high, and my understanding is that most will not French kiss. That would take a lot of the joy out of it. Also, she's going to enjoy it as much as me. Why should I be the one paying. If you have the money, prostitutes are better because... Privacy and discretion...unless caught. There is a much less likelihood that the woman will tell yor wife. Guarantee of sex and intimacy. Men don't always want just sex. Many want the feeling of a girlfriend without having to take her home. There is a guarantee...even if for money...that the pro will give you what you want in ALL areas. Many higher paid escorts do provide more than just sex. Just sex. And many men want just sex. This is guaranteed without work. The man is paying for it...he will get it. And yes, many men want the woman to like it, so for the 200 or more, she WILL like it. Fantasy. The fantasy that the women think that he is the stud of the year. Need I say more? So, the "only" risks for using an escort versus an affair are STDs ( a real biggie to any sane guy!) and the LE or law enforcement. The message boards have eliminated the LE risk for the most part. The more you pay the "more" you get. Beautiful women can get more per hour...I have seen ads for 1000 per hour. "BBWs" (big beautiful women) usually get the least...300 is on the high end. It is fascinating to see what goes on in "the hobby," but it is also frightening. Men who appear to be upstanding citizens by day are common criminals by night. (Side note...I saw an Oprah episode regarding child molesters online. She had on Chris Hanson of Dateline. These predators believed that the children wanted sex with them....now THAT is horrifying!)
Mz. Pixie Posted September 29, 2006 Posted September 29, 2006 (Side note...I saw an Oprah episode regarding child molesters online. She had on Chris Hanson of Dateline. These predators believed that the children wanted sex with them....now THAT is horrifying!) Ummm yeah- my stepfather actually told my grandmother that I grabbed his penis one time. Yeah, not! As a side note, SG- you would be the one scouting these women out for sex- not the other way around so since you were the one wanting it- that is why you'd be paying for it. Did you happen to read Hard to Thinks thread about how his OW came to his home and confonted him in front of his wife??? That's another reason why men probably use escorts instead of OW's. I would also gather to guess that extremely expensive call girls come with a copy of a medical certificate showing that they are STD free. That combined with a condom might make it a bit safer.
Blackfrost Posted September 29, 2006 Posted September 29, 2006 I can definately understand the desire to cheat, but a prostitute? The worry about "swapping fluids" would be really high, and my understanding is that most will not French kiss. That would take a lot of the joy out of it. How do you know for sure that your own partner is being faithful and not swapping a disease to you as well? I know married women and men who cheat - and I doubt it's all worked out and signed off on by their partners at home.
stoopid_guy Posted September 29, 2006 Posted September 29, 2006 How do you know for sure that your own partner is being faithful and not swapping a disease to you as well? You don't, but I'd worry less about it with someone who's had a dozen partners in his/her lifetime than I would about someone who has a dozen partners a week. And I can understand all the advantages of a proffessional, it just depends on your needs and objectives. If you need to get your rocks off, porn and masturbation is simpler, easier, safer, and cheaper. If you need to feel you're dominating another person (in this case, with $$$,) a prostitute's the way to go. If you need to be desired sexually, and if you need to get someone elses rocks off, a prostitute is useless. You know (at least in the back of your mind) that no matter what she says or how she acts, it's just an act. She doesn't give a rat's a$$ about anything but your $$$.
Author JamesM Posted September 29, 2006 Author Posted September 29, 2006 I would also gather to guess that extremely expensive call girls come with a copy of a medical certificate showing that they are STD free. That combined with a condom might make it a bit safer. I am not sure that the amount of money paid correlates to safety. My guess is that it is related to how concerned the "lady" is about her health. But one hopes that all are concerned about their health. What is highly prevalent among call girls of all rates is drug use. This not only helps her enjoy her time but also is a big reason why she is in the "profession." It becomes easy to pretend that STDs...especially the fatal ones...will not happen to you, and it is even easier to believe that this clean and friendly business man or pretty lady could not possibly have a STD. You don't, but I'd worry less about it with someone who's had a dozen partners in his/her lifetime than I would about someone who has a dozen partners a week. Again, that depends. Truthfully, if your partner...whether male or female....is cheating on you in an affair, the likelihood that a condom is being used is probably less than an escort who does it for a living. And if you or your wife get involved in a one night stand, all bets are off. It only takes one time. However, you are right in that many men want "bareback" and women who want money and don't get many sessions will oblige. Not only is this stupid but it also endangers any party connected to them. If you need to be desired sexually, and if you need to get someone elses rocks off, a prostitute is useless. You know (at least in the back of your mind) that no matter what she says or how she acts, it's just an act. She doesn't give a rat's a$$ about anything but your $$$. For those men whose wives put on an act and aren't good at it, it would be refreshing to have a good actress. Believe it or not, there are some women who do enjoy their profession. My guess is that it is only a few. But practice makes perfect. The more you act, the better you get. And yes, it is all about the money. Many pros are married, have children, and even have other jobs. The quick and easy money of sex is hard to pass up.
Flyin in Clouds Posted October 2, 2006 Posted October 2, 2006 If wives here half as good in the sack as the pros there wouldn't be much market for the pros.... except for the "variety" factor. Banging the same old broad for 20 years ... well it gets old if you know what I mean. And you can have a younger woman, prettier woman, big breasted or small, blond or redhead. Yeap the world's oldest profession has things to recommend it alright. Of course all women are in the profession to one degree or another. And I do mean all - except maybe nuns. Street walkers are at least honest. They tell you the price up front. "Decent" women want a ring and half of everything you own, and they want custody of your balls. Hmm..... street walkers may be the better deal, STDs not withstanding. I don't know any woman that just gives it away. Not without expecting some kind of quid pro quo. Dinner and a movie? Ten dinners and dancing? If a guy's got no money he's not going to get laid. $1200 a month is cheap compared to what a wife costs... (Oh I can hear the flame throws firing up now... just remember I'm only half serious.... LOL....) Oh, and how many women have fantasies of being the high paid "escort"? On the serious side a friend's H used the "services". His wife treated him like sh*t. He loved her but she drove him to it. It's along sad story, their marriage. 3 kids. She hated men because he father cheated on her mother. Swore if she found out she was pregnant with boys she'd abort. (1 girl, 2 boys). Had a prenup. Boys went with dad, girls with mom if there was a divorce. Of course when it came down to it, she kept the kids, the house, the savings account, in other words 100% of the community property. (She had better lawyers, and shopped a sympathetic woman judge). On top of all that he had to turn over 2/3 his pay check for child support and he got NO visitation with his kids. And yes he cheated on her after putting up with 10 years of her crap, with pros and MW. If he would have stuck with whores to begin with it would have cost him a whole lot less. And definitely would have been more fun. "When I read of the many women who have boundless sexual energy here but have sexless men, then I sat back and knew I was not alone and should not accept a wife who would not have sex." One thing I've noticed on this and similar boards is so many people that are mismatched in the libido department. Women what want it around the clock with men that are dead batteries. And men that want more from wives that have a "headache" for months on end. Seems nobody gets all they want. So why can't we swap spouses once in a while? Why can't we enjoy sex like fine wine. A different variety every now and then. Why are we so hung up on life long monogamy? Or serial monogamy as those that have been married by "I am willing to guess that most men's wives would never dream of what their husband considers a "hobby."" Yeah, decent women. And another aspect of paying for it, or using the OW, is a guy doesn't have to worry about living with her in the morning. With a wife you have to worry about will she like it, will she be pissed of by something I want to do to her? With the OW or a whore who cares? I can do what ever I want with the regrets or hang-ups. At least for me, it would be really hard to treat my wife, they way I could treat a whore. (or imagine I could treat a whore, since I've never use a whore's services). ""I have the kids already, all you are to me is a paycheck"...... she said this while we were there .....smack infront of us." Sounds like my wife's friend. "really love their husbands and try to be good wives" I don't want a "good" wife. I want a "bad" wife. A really naughty, bad wife... "Women who feel that their husband is happy with a sexless life because he doesn't talk about it should think twice." Would all the men that get too much sex please raise their hand? OK, I know some of the women complain because they don't get enough sex. But sex with the same old cow gets boring after a while. When you've done it in every room in the house, in every position, in every hole, 100 times over, what's new? nada... google the Coolidge effect. Men are programmed by a million years of evolution to try to get every last female they encounter pregnant. That's our job. Biologically speaking. Only relatively lately (the last two or three thousand years) have we developed the idea that one man and one woman for life is the way it ought to be. Polygamy was often the rule in ancient civilizations. Clearly in biblical times - Soloman had how many wives? And I know a woman that bought her boyfriend a whore for his 40th birthday. Now what a sweet loving woman she was!
Mz. Pixie Posted October 2, 2006 Posted October 2, 2006 I don't know any woman that just gives it away. Not without expecting some kind of quid pro quo. Dinner and a movie? Ten dinners and dancing? If a guy's got no money he's not going to get laid. $1200 a month is cheap compared to what a wife costs... Holy hell, my husband would totally disagree with this because I don't give a damn about how much money he has or what he spends on me. You guys are just not finding the right women. And, as a wife, don't forget that I work everyday and I bring in almost as much money as he does- so he's not "supporting" me financially. My money goes into the bank account too. Some of these women who don't work and their primary hobbies are working out and lunching with the girls while their tots are in school?? Well, yeah, then I guess I might say that about them, but in reality that's the exception rather than the norm.
Flyin in Clouds Posted October 3, 2006 Posted October 3, 2006 Holy hell, my husband would totally disagree with this because I don't give a damn about how much money he has or what he spends on me. And, as a wife, don't forget that I work everyday and I bring in almost as much money as he does- so he's not "supporting" me financially. My money goes into the bank account too. Pixie dear, I didn't say the payment had to be money. What I mean is no woman gives away sex totally for free. There is always something a woman wants in return. At the very least you want your husband not to screw other women if you allow him to screw you. Right? quid pro quo As to how expensive a wife is... uh, if your husband should divorce you how much of his assets are you going to want out of the deal? Would you have even considered marrying yor husband if he had no money, no assets and no job? "free love" died in the sixties.
emmaUK Posted October 3, 2006 Posted October 3, 2006 my BFs friends have just "discovered" the red light district in amsterdam and have been going over there, getting stoned out thier heads and visiting prostitues. they have been over there the last 2 weekends in a row. my bf spoke to one of them during thier visit and he was bragging about having 2 at one time for 60 euro's. i am very very worreid about my BF going over there with them next time they go. he sais that the idea of stickin his dick where many other dicks that day have been makes him feel sick n there is no way he'd do that no matter how much his mates egged him on ... but i cant help worrying. i know he is going over there early november..... very anxious about it
Hard2Think Posted October 3, 2006 Posted October 3, 2006 Don't worry too much. Your BF's remarks about the prostitutes there are the same as mine were. His remarks indicate to me that he won't be participating in any of that. I used to live in Paris, and my stateside friends would come over every so often to visit. Inevitably, they'd ask if I'd come with them to Amsterdam. Some of these guys would spend the whole time just getting one hooker after the other. While I have no moral issues with any of that, there is just no damn way I was ever going to touch a woman that just got sweated and whatever else on by 17 other guys right before me .. so I would just ask the local law enforcement officer to direct me to the nearest "coffee shops" instead my BFs friends have just "discovered" the red light district in amsterdam and have been going over there, getting stoned out thier heads and visiting prostitues. they have been over there the last 2 weekends in a row. my bf spoke to one of them during thier visit and he was bragging about having 2 at one time for 60 euro's. i am very very worreid about my BF going over there with them next time they go. he sais that the idea of stickin his dick where many other dicks that day have been makes him feel sick n there is no way he'd do that no matter how much his mates egged him on ... but i cant help worrying. i know he is going over there early november..... very anxious about it
emmaUK Posted October 3, 2006 Posted October 3, 2006 awwww thanks hard2think, feel a little better about it now though think i will deff feel funny about it the week before he goes. think i shall have to organize a mad night out that weekend to take my mind off things.
Hard2Think Posted October 3, 2006 Posted October 3, 2006 You really needn't worry .. based on what he said - I can completely relate. I did "window shop", and many of the women there are stunning - but I wasn't even tempted - for the same reason as your BF's. The hooker thing just isn't for everyone, I guess. awwww thanks hard2think, feel a little better about it now though think i will deff feel funny about it the week before he goes. think i shall have to organize a mad night out that weekend to take my mind off things.
Mz. Pixie Posted October 3, 2006 Posted October 3, 2006 As to how expensive a wife is... uh, if your husband should divorce you how much of his assets are you going to want out of the deal? Would you have even considered marrying yor husband if he had no money, no assets and no job? "free love" died in the sixties. Well, first of all, they aren't just the MAN's ASSETS. If the wife is working or staying home with the kids- either way- she has earned part of those assets. So, how could I take what should belong to me partly anyway?? No woman OR man for that matter is going to marry someone who doesn't even hold a job- unless they have serious issues or are independently wealthy. That's not a gender specific issue- it works both ways. I guess I'm an unusual creature because when I split with my first husband- I didn't care about the house or cars or retirement accounts- I just wanted my children and a few items of furniture and my personal items. I wanted what I put in and I let him keep what was his. I also signed over my portion of the house to him as well. I worked hard and put the bulk of my pre marriage savings into the purchase- but in the end it just wasn't worth the effort. And, I didn't sit on my pretty little behind during our marriage- I worked- sometimes longer hours than he did. And, I do not LET my husband have sex with me. It's a mutual event that we both enjoy and get pleasure from.
catgirl1927 Posted October 3, 2006 Posted October 3, 2006 Flyin in Clouds seems to imply that relationships are a burden for him, that he would prefer "free love," i.e. sex with no commitment. I sense a deep lack of respect for women as a whole. If someone has decided that because one person did something wrong to them that an entire group of people must be bad (because, perhaps, if it was just that one then maybe he'd made a poor choice) then you won't have a lot of success reasoning with him.
Guest Posted October 6, 2006 Posted October 6, 2006 I just had to relate a funny story, and this seems like a good thread to do it on. I cannot bring myself to have a retaliatory affair, but I thought about stopping at a strip club a couple of nights ago as a version of protest (for myself anyways), and couldn't even do that.
Flyin in Clouds Posted October 8, 2006 Posted October 8, 2006 Well, first of all, they aren't just the MAN's ASSETS. If the wife is working or staying home with the kids- either way- she has earned part of those assets. So, how could I take what should belong to me partly anyway?? Well the cost of a maid (wife that cooks, does laundry... ) is what $15 an hour. If the man earns $90 an hour how is it fair to split everything 50/50? Seems to be the wife is being paid for something else... yes, part, but not 50/50. No woman OR man for that matter is going to marry someone who doesn't even hold a job- ? Many men are more than willing to marry a woman that doesn't work or have a job. And, I do not LET my husband have sex with me. It's a mutual event that we both enjoy and get pleasure from. But would you have sex with him if he didn't pleasure you? See at the very least he has to do that or you won't give him any. I didn't say it wasn't fair to have to pay for sex, but a guy ends up paying some way... at the very least he has to rock your world. With a hooker he doesn't have to worry about her pleasure, just his.
Flyin in Clouds Posted October 8, 2006 Posted October 8, 2006 Flyin in Clouds seems to imply that relationships are a burden for him, that he would prefer "free love," i.e. sex with no commitment. I sense a deep lack of respect for women as a whole. If someone has decided that because one person did something wrong to them that an entire group of people must be bad (because, perhaps, if it was just that one then maybe he'd made a poor choice) then you won't have a lot of success reasoning with him. Our relationship is no more a burden for me than for my wife. Every relationship carries some burden does it not? I mean we have to do something to please our partner. We can't just do what pleases ourselves. Actually that "burden" is something I gladly "pay" for my wife. It's a price I'm more than willing to pay. I want her to be happy so I'll do what it takes. See she's worth way more than any hooker, she worth all of what I've got and then some. Maybe "all women require some payment" is a bit of a strech... don't women at least want love in exhange for love or making love? A guy has to give something to get something. Is that a fair statement? Is it then unreasonable to expect a woman to give something to get something? All too often the "trade" or "exchange" is one side. One feels they are giving way more than they are getting. And the relationship goes down hill from there. yeah, I know it's a rather odd ball way of looking at things, but hey that's just me...
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