Moose Posted September 25, 2006 Posted September 25, 2006 Let's take a poll. How many here believe that Marriage should be based on a Contract, or a Convenant? Contract: 1. Based on what you want out of a Marriage 2. Based on a, "If.....Then" mentality 3. Is usually based on a specific time frame 4. Carries penalities for non compliance Convenant: 1. Based on how the other person benefits 2. Is Unconditional 3. Is Permanent
reneet Posted September 25, 2006 Posted September 25, 2006 Let's take a poll. How many here believe that Marriage should be based on a Contract, or a Convenant? Contract: 1. Based on what you want out of a Marriage 2. Based on a, "If.....Then" mentality 3. Is usually based on a specific time frame 4. Carries penalities for non compliance Convenant: 1. Based on how the other person benefits 2. Is Unconditional 3. Is Permanent In my case, A Contract. And who thinks of the other person benefiting anyway? A contractual covenant would be a better description.
Author Moose Posted September 25, 2006 Author Posted September 25, 2006 A contractual covenant would be a better description.Wouldn't this be a contradiction in terms?...... Either way, let's try to keep it as either it's a contract or a covenant, try not to mix the two....
littlekitty Posted September 25, 2006 Posted September 25, 2006 Wouldn't this be a contradiction in terms?...... Either way, let's try to keep it as either it's a contract or a covenant, try not to mix the two.... There goes my answer!! In that case a covenant. But some actions will incur a penalty. So that part is contractual I guess.
Author Moose Posted September 25, 2006 Author Posted September 25, 2006 In that case a covenant. But contractually, you cheat, your out. I can't count these..... Please, it's one or the other......
reneet Posted September 25, 2006 Posted September 25, 2006 I can't count these..... Please, it's one or the other...... Contract:eek:
littlekitty Posted September 25, 2006 Posted September 25, 2006 I can't count these..... Please, it's one or the other...... Ahh I edited that. In a marriage, long term, with children, I can't say I'd necessarily be able to do that. Moose, you're asking people to give you a black or white answer. Most things in life aren't black or white are they?
Buttaflyy Posted September 25, 2006 Posted September 25, 2006 I'm wishing for...Covenant. Otherwise, I'd rather stay single and shacking.
Touche Posted September 25, 2006 Posted September 25, 2006 I have to agree with LK. And for me it's neither one nor the other but some of each. I'd LEAN towards covenant, if I had to pick one that represents my view on marriage but it's a little realistic to say that it's ONLY that and has NO elements of what you'd call a contract.
Author Moose Posted September 25, 2006 Author Posted September 25, 2006 Moose, you're asking people to give you a black or white answer. Most things in life aren't black or white are they? I don't see what the big deal is. Either people believe it is or it isn't.....it can't be both....
littlekitty Posted September 25, 2006 Posted September 25, 2006 I don't see what the big deal is. Either people believe it is or it isn't.....it can't be both.... But that's your personal view Moose? Several people are saying they see it as being a mixture of both? Your excluding my opinion, because it doesn't fit your idea! I think Touche has it right.
Touche Posted September 25, 2006 Posted September 25, 2006 I don't see what the big deal is. Either people believe it is or it isn't.....it can't be both.... Yes, it CAN and IS both in my marriage at least..perhaps not in yours.
Author Moose Posted September 25, 2006 Author Posted September 25, 2006 It doesn't matter if it fits MY idea..... Look it up....Contract and Covenant are TWO opposite concepts. You CANNOT mix the two, one will cancel the other out.....
littlekitty Posted September 25, 2006 Posted September 25, 2006 I looked it up. Convenant A binding agreement; a compact. See synonyms at bargain. Law. A formal sealed agreement or contract. A suit to recover damages for violation of such a contract. In the Bible, God's promise to the human race. So, aren't they really one and the same thing?
Touche Posted September 25, 2006 Posted September 25, 2006 cov·e·nant (kv-nnt) n. 1. A binding agreement; 2. Law. 1. A formal sealed agreement or contract. 2. A suit to recover damages for violation of such a contract. 3. In the Bible, God's promise to the human race.
superconductor Posted September 25, 2006 Posted September 25, 2006 Either people believe it is or it isn't.....it can't be both.... Yes, actually it can. It's not dissimilar to the idea of unconditional love. All human love, with the possible exception of mother to infant child, is conditional. The conditions may be so far out of the normal experience that they'd never be breached, but they are conditions nevertheless.
littlekitty Posted September 25, 2006 Posted September 25, 2006 Great minds Touche... Great minds...!!
Touche Posted September 25, 2006 Posted September 25, 2006 Ooopppss..too funny! You beat me to it LK! I guess great minds think alike!
Author Moose Posted September 25, 2006 Author Posted September 25, 2006 Look into it further, and you'd understand where I'm coming from. The stipulations between the two aren't clearly defined coming from just a dictionary. It's clear I'm getting the typical societal response, and that's more of what I was looking for anyway. It supports my theory that everyone is walking away from the traditional values of Marriage.... Noone understands how to give a clear honest answer without having the resposibilty of backing it up.
reneet Posted September 25, 2006 Posted September 25, 2006 Contract - An agreement enforceable by law, an agreement between 2 or more parties Covenant - a pledge, a formal agreement of legal validity, a sealed agreement, a promise Isn't a marriage BOTH??
littlekitty Posted September 25, 2006 Posted September 25, 2006 Look into it further, and you'd understand where I'm coming from. The stipulations between the two aren't clearly defined coming from just a dictionary. It's clear I'm getting the typical societal response, and that's more of what I was looking for anyway. It supports my theory that everyone is walking away from the traditional values of Marriage.... Noone understands how to give a clear honest answer without having the resposibilty of backing it up. Then make it clearer for us Moose instead of what appears to be insulting those who have different ideals: I'm getting the typical societal response What is your idea of the traditional values of marriage, and expand on the covenant vs. contract theory please?
superconductor Posted September 25, 2006 Posted September 25, 2006 It supports my theory that everyone is walking away from the traditional values of Marriage... Yes, of course. Is that somehow surprising? Are the old social norms of man = breadwinner/warrior, woman = homemaker/child rearer of any value anymore?
Touche Posted September 25, 2006 Posted September 25, 2006 Look into it further, and you'd understand where I'm coming from. The stipulations between the two aren't clearly defined coming from just a dictionary. It's clear I'm getting the typical societal response, and that's more of what I was looking for anyway. It supports my theory that everyone is walking away from the traditional values of Marriage.... Noone understands how to give a clear honest answer without having the resposibilty of backing it up. Moose that's ridiculous! My values are VERY traditional. I've gotten some heat for it on here too as you may know. I'm not "walking away" from traditional values just because I don't agree with you that it's not one or the other. I think it's VERY unrealistic of you to think it IS one or the other. And what do you mean about the "typical societal response" and that it's more of what you were looking for? HUH? You're not making sense there. As far as where the definition should come from..you say it shouldn't come from the dictionary. Where should it come from, the Bible maybe? Can you point us in the right direction at least since we're all just giving the "typical societal response?"
Buttaflyy Posted September 25, 2006 Posted September 25, 2006 Look into it further, and you'd understand where I'm coming from. The stipulations between the two aren't clearly defined coming from just a dictionary. It's clear I'm getting the typical societal response, and that's more of what I was looking for anyway. It supports my theory that everyone is walking away from the traditional values of Marriage.... Noone understands how to give a clear honest answer without having the resposibilty of backing it up. Umm...I gave you a clear answer. What am I chopped liver? I agree with you in some sense.
Author Moose Posted September 25, 2006 Author Posted September 25, 2006 I just wanted your thoughts....have I said anything about what I think it should be?Then make it clearer for us Moose instead of what appears to be insulting those who have different ideals: Refer to my 1st post.What is your idea of the traditional values of marriage, and expand on the covenant vs. contract theory please?Again, refer to my first post about the distinct differences between a contract and a covenant. I want to keep my personal views out of this one. It's obvious that people think I'm trying to set them up, or that I'm judging them, when all I wanted to know is what the concensus on this forum was.
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