lovestruck234 Posted September 14, 2006 Posted September 14, 2006 I have strong beliefs in certain things... I am a believer in astronomy. I read my star sign every day. Religiously. I am also Buddah. My mum has belief in Buddah and I guess I take after her. As well as Karma....all those sorts of things. I have had these beliefs and views for a long time now....a fair few years. And I will not stop believing them. Rhys' star sign is Leo right? I read his star sign on Sunday and it said you will have health issues with your upper body. Anyway, turns out he had to go to the doctors cos of his sore neck and he has a muscle displacement or something like that... I told him on the Sunday that I had read that and he goes "You know, I don't even know why you read that sh*t, it's all fake..." anyway, whe he went to the doctors I gave him a sort of "I told you so" look and he goes "Whatever Tess...it's just coincidence!" I told him they were my beliefs and he should respect them. But that's the issue...he doesn't. Just the same as a Christian and how strong they believe in their religion, I strongly believe in my...well...beliefs. He tells me it's all bullsh*t and why don't I just be "normal" and believe in "normal" things. How is he to judge what is normal and what isn't? This is affecting me a fair bit because no matter how many times things happen that prove that just MAYBE my beliefs are real in certain ways, he still always tells me to snap out of it and "get over my stupid beliefs, they don't mean sh*t"... I would just like to see how he would react if this was him, that's all. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
superconductor Posted September 14, 2006 Posted September 14, 2006 I think you mean astrology, not astronomy. Some time ago at a gathering of friends, someone pulled out one of those big astrology books which had all sorts of detailed information about various star signs and personality traits. So, with one particular woman, I asked her what her sign was, her date and time of birth, and then read some stuff to her from the page. She was aghast. Utterly stunned. "That is exactly like me!" she squealed. It was then that I told her that I had read from a different sign. Morale of the story: Never be fooled.
Brittanyjean06 Posted September 14, 2006 Posted September 14, 2006 I like reading astrology, I have two different horoscopes I read each day. I take them with a grain of salt, as guidance. If he can't respect your beliefs than why don't you go tell him to be " normal " and read up on astrology like normal people do
magichands Posted September 14, 2006 Posted September 14, 2006 Does anyone have any thoughts on this? I'm sure that you're not expecting him to share your beliefs, but what do you want from him?? Tolerance, or validation? (Or something else?) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_cosmology
Author lovestruck234 Posted September 14, 2006 Author Posted September 14, 2006 I'm sure that you're not expecting him to share your beliefs, but what do you want from him?? Tolerance, or validation? (Or something else?) Tolerance, yes. No I am not expecting him to share them at all...no-one should be forced into religion/beliefs. But for him to just accept it would be fine enough for me. He doesn't have to like it or believe in it, but just accept that I do.
This_Too_Shall_Pass Posted September 14, 2006 Posted September 14, 2006 I am also Buddah. My mum has belief in Buddah and I guess I take after her. I think you mean "Buddhist", luv. Meaning one who believes in /follows Buddhism ideals. A question: How much do you really know about Buddhism, and how deeply involved are you in it? Reason I'm asking is this: Budhhism isn't so much about concepts of karma and liberation, it's more a way of life. It takes a long time and very wide range of experiences within one's life to actually understand these concepts in reality. I don't know how deeply involved you are in astrology either, but I'm guessing it's not a lot. I mean, isn't the daily horoscope supposed to be one of those things you read along with the "oddly enough" section and promptly forget? I don't think it's meant to be taken too seriously. Perhaps that's why your BF is incredulous. A person needs to have a certain degree of knowledge and a certain mental attitude before others give them some credibility. The other thing is, you're learning this for yourself. The best use of this knowledge is for your own self. Why project it on another person? If he doesn't want to know how his daily horoscope affected his neck, you don't have to make it your business to tell him. I agree it's not right for him to completely run down your approach / interest in the topic. Perhaps he could use some patience and tolerance while you take up a new interest.
Author lovestruck234 Posted September 14, 2006 Author Posted September 14, 2006 No, I don't know much about it, but I'm trying to learn heaps. I want to learn about it and I want others to be...not so much "Open" to it, but to accept it. My mum gets me to read all these books all the time and I guess it's just the way I have been taught. My mum is like a qualified Feng Shui consultant and is into all the Chinese Philosophies and everything....when she tells me about it, I am really interested and I want to learn more. That's why I have been trying. Now I feel really stupid cos I adressed all these things in the wrong tems (astronomy, Buddah etc).... Anyway, as a beginner, it's a bit of a knock-down when you've got your own BOYFRIEND who's meant to SUPPORT you, pushing it down all the time. Right, think this thread should be ended anyway, I feel kinda stupid now...
magichands Posted September 14, 2006 Posted September 14, 2006 Right, think this thread should be ended anyway, I feel kinda stupid now... Better than being stupid...try living with that. Actually, I'm pretty happy. Maybe ignorance is bliss??
Author lovestruck234 Posted September 14, 2006 Author Posted September 14, 2006 Better than being stupid...try living with that. Actually, I'm pretty happy. Maybe ignorance is bliss?? ....ah you're a crack-up.... NO, you're not stupid. You seem pretty smart to me!
alphamale Posted September 14, 2006 Posted September 14, 2006 I am a believer in astronomy. I read my star sign every day. Religiously. I believe you meant Astrology. Please get your terminology correct in the future. Thanx Alpha
Author lovestruck234 Posted September 15, 2006 Author Posted September 15, 2006 I believe you meant Astrology. Please get your terminology correct in the future. Thanx Alpha Um...if you read my above thread I corrected myself regarding that mistake... I should really start being perfect soon. It's so not acceptable to make mistakes! Gee! Silly me!
superconductor Posted September 15, 2006 Posted September 15, 2006 I should really start being perfect soon. Well, your body is pretty close. <lascivious grin>
Author lovestruck234 Posted September 15, 2006 Author Posted September 15, 2006 Well, your body is pretty close. <lascivious grin> ....good one.
RecordProducer Posted September 15, 2006 Posted September 15, 2006 Astronomy is a science branch of physics. Astrology is what you believe in. While I am a true Piscean, I don't believe in the daily written horoscopes. They ARE total bullsh*t. The people who write them are self-taught astrologist's that try to make sense. My horoscope (when I read it) usually has nothing to do with what's going on in my life. So many times I've read I'd meet someone and fall in love while I was single and lonely. That I would reconcile with an ex or earn a lot of money or get promoted or that my health would be great that week when I was sick like a dog. To most people the weekly horoscopes are mere entertainment and they forget them as soon as they finish reading them. If it made any sense, people would listen to the astrologists. Now about your beliefs, he has a right to tell you what he thinks of it, just like you have the same right. He doesn't believe in astrology so why practice it upon him persuading him that the horoscope was right? Use it for your own information if you wish, but don't judge him for not accepting it or being a part of your beliefs. Also, you meant you're a Buddhist, not Buddha - Buddha is the god.
mental_traveller Posted September 15, 2006 Posted September 15, 2006 Do you back up your views at all? People will usually respect someone who gives solid reasons for believing something, even if they ultimately disagree. However, if you strongly believe something, without being able to give any good reasons, then generally people will be somewhat contemptuous, especially if there is a lot of evidence pointing to the belief being suspect. Many strongly held human beliefs throughout history have tended to be complete and utter nonsense - flat-earthism, belief in fire & wind gods, alchemy, virgin sacrifices to get a good harvest etc. So it's no surprise that many people refuse to take beliefs seriously until some decent evidence can be put forward. Let me ask you - if your boyfriend genuinely thought the world was flat, would you respect that belief, or tell him it was absurd?
the_alchemyst Posted September 15, 2006 Posted September 15, 2006 Hmm, yea. I think she already corrected herself some several posts above. Anyway, RP is right in that, like you, he has every right to not believe/like either Astrology or Buddhism or anything else. Just as you have your opinions on them, so does he--they just happen to be opposites. However, that doesn't mean he should be insulting when he reveals his opinions to you because that is rude and disrespectful. He could easily tell you he doesn't believe in Astrology/Horoscopes and that he would prefer you don't try to impose them on him. Him telling you it is "stupid sh*t that you shouldn't be reading" anyway, is not right, though. Just because he thinks something is stupid doesn't actually make the thing in question stupid, and he has no right to tell you what you should or should not be reading. You should tell him that while you understand he doesn't share your same beliefs, that you don't appreciate him belittling them, either. Also, you might want to steer away from sharing this type of stuff with him if it's only going to cause you problems. While idealy you should be able to discuss what you think and belief with your parter, if he is just not interested, then it's useless to do so. Just save yourself the troubles. Also: I agree that daily horoscopes aren't things that should be taken literally. They are mostly there for entertainment, and often times the people who write them have no clear idea themselves as to what the cosmos are trying to reveal that day for a particular person. Plus, these things are highly generalized in an attempt to encompass a large populace with the same Sun signs. You and I may have the same sun sign, but we may be undergoing extremely different situations, thus making a horoscope on the back of a magazine applicable to us both. If you really want to learn more about Astrology, you should read lots of books on the subject, preferably by someone with authority in the field. You will discover that there is much more to you, your character, and your "future" than what a Sun sign can dictate--there are also the Moon and Ascending sings you have to keep in mind. To get the best comprehension for what all of these mean and to try to perhaps decipher your personality traits a little more, you should look into making a Natal chart for yourself, or find someone to do it for you (who won't charge you). When studying Astrology, it is of outmost importance that you remember that they are all signs that are supposed to help you understand the meaning and significance of things/events, not things tell you what and how you should do things; they guide, not dictate. As for Buddhism--I really love reading about! In fact, I pondered about becoming a Buddhist for quite a while because their "basis" (The Four Noble Truths) are pure gems. As I read on, I realized that there were already many things that I did/followed that resembled Buddhism, so I was really thinking about plunging in completely into that way of life/thinking. What stopped me was the fact that they do not believe in the human soul (it seems like a big deal that they don't, actually), and well, I do, so--guess not. Regardless, it is truly a beautiful thing to read and learn about. If you find that you can't call yourself a Buddhist for whatever hinderance, then take what you can from it. Oh, and I'm not so sure how wrong you were in saying "I am Buddha." I actually read that some Buddhist's (Zen? Don't remember exactly) goal is to become just like Buddha, thus becoming the Buddha themselves, or at least part of the grand scheme of Buddha (who is not a god, btw). ANYWAY, I totally rambled. Sorry, hon. Good luck with your studies! And try to talk to your bf about this.
magichands Posted September 15, 2006 Posted September 15, 2006 Let me ask you - if your boyfriend genuinely thought the world was flat, would you respect that belief, or tell him it was absurd? "You show me the valve, and I'll pump it up for you." Seriously now, there are no mountains near here - but I've seen pictures.
TheSilentType Posted September 15, 2006 Posted September 15, 2006 Also, you meant you're a Buddhist, not Buddha - Buddha is the god. Not to get off topic, but I just had to correct something RP. Buddha was just a regular person...he was no god (nor did he claim to be) or messenger of any god. I'm not sure if Buddha was an atheist, but the notion of a god was not central to his belief. He basically expounded teachings that would help a disciplined and determined break free the endless cycle of rebirth and suffering (samsara). In some derivatives of Buddhism, they may speak of gods, such as in Tibet Buddhism. But in the original Buddhism that Buddha taught, the notion of a god was not important. Trust me RP....I know a lot about this... Anyways back to topic. Sorry Lovestruck
the_alchemyst Posted September 15, 2006 Posted September 15, 2006 complete and utter nonsense - . . . alchemy, . . . Hey, now! Let me ask you - if your boyfriend genuinely thought the world was flat, would you respect that belief, or tell him it was absurd? There is a difference: The structure of the earth can be determined by physical means, whereas beliefs cannot.
serial muse Posted September 15, 2006 Posted September 15, 2006 The structure of the earth can be determined by physical means, whereas beliefs cannot. on the other hand, one could argue that we simply do not have the proper tools for such a task. (yet.) back when they thought the earth was flat, they hadn't yet figured out how to determine it wasn't.
the_alchemyst Posted September 15, 2006 Posted September 15, 2006 And in that case, then we will just have to wait until those tools are made so that we can truly classify this belief are true or not. Until then, no real assertion can be made.
lovelorcet Posted September 15, 2006 Posted September 15, 2006 Astrology is complete BS and does not even fall into the “Belief” category of things. I don’t want to sound critical but if you are going to believe in something then make sure you spend enough time really learning what it is; otherwise one can seem pretty superficial and that can be really annoying...
serial muse Posted September 15, 2006 Posted September 15, 2006 And in that case, then we will just have to wait until those tools are made so that we can truly classify this belief are true or not. Until then, no real assertion can be made. oh, absolutely. speaking as a true agnostic, that's why i think there's more than enough room for both faith and science in this crazy, mixed-up world. scientists are glad we don't know everything yet. how boring would that be? a man's reach should exceed his grasp.
Adunaphel Posted September 15, 2006 Posted September 15, 2006 Astrology is complete BS and does not even fall into the “Belief” category of things. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I think that "believing" means "accepting as true" - so anything that can fall under the "belief" cathegory is something *not* supported by evidence, that could either be true er complete bullsh*t. ------------------------------ Lovestruck, If someone I cared for told me that anything I believe in is BS (pretty hard since I don't basically believe in anything) or would call me any unpleasant term for considering BS something I do not believe in (which is also pretty hard since there are very few things that I'd dismiss as bullsh*t without at least thinking seriously about them), I would be very disappointed in that person. *Unless* that was not uncalled for. Like in your case. Rhys' star sign is Leo right? I read his star sign on Sunday and it said you will have health issues with your upper body. Anyway, turns out he had to go to the doctors cos of his sore neck and he has a muscle displacement or something like that... I told him on the Sunday that I had read that and he goes "You know, I don't even know why you read that sh*t, it's all fake..." anyway, whe he went to the doctors I gave him a sort of "I told you so" look and he goes "Whatever Tess...it's just coincidence!" I told him they were my beliefs and he should respect them. he was not exactly gentlemanly, but he had a sore neck (not really something that makes your day happy!) - not the most appropriate moment to read his horoscope - expecially if it was true. (btw, someone who is really into astrology would also have said that it was just a coincidence... and given you "how can you believe in that BS" line. Daily horoscopes are BS as a general rule - if they are true, it's coincidence. Horoscopes based only on your solar sign are very inaccurate - and it's also a coincidence if they say anything true. More accurate horoscopes, I don't know. (If I did, I would either believe or not believe in astrology). Trying to make your partner share your beliefs, even in the most playful, cool way, is a great way to start and fuel an argument.
This_Too_Shall_Pass Posted September 15, 2006 Posted September 15, 2006 Is it just me who's actually reading all the posts, or is everyone saying the same thing over and over again?!! I believe all the "comments" were made in the first few replies. After that it's been re-hashed and repeated ad nauseam No wonder Lovestruck isn't replying. Time to let this thread RIP.
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