burning 4 revenge Posted September 6, 2006 Posted September 6, 2006 Is it a valid excuse to act satanic?
Touche Posted September 6, 2006 Posted September 6, 2006 I don't think so. There's NEVER any good excuse to act that way.
blind_otter Posted September 6, 2006 Posted September 6, 2006 the honest truth is, there is an element of compulsive behavior for many of these people. They are quite honestly not in control of themselves like everyone else is. They deal with a lot of weird emotional surges and have no concrete concept of self. They feel empty and lack the ability to monitor their own emotions and cannot distinguish between things they feel personally and feelings that are elicited by external stimuli. In my opinion no form of mental illness is ever an excuse to behave badly. It's just the sad consequences of the mental illness. Borderline personality disorder is one of the most difficult mental illnesses to treat and it very often takes many years of both out patient AND inpatient intervention to help these people. This is actually true of almost all the personality disorders, because personality refers all the traits, behavior styles, and patterns that make up our character or individuality - how we perceive the world, our attitudes, thoughts, and feelings are all part of our personality. People with healthy personalities are able to cope with normal stresses, people with personality disorders cannot. For whatever reason. Because your personality is so very fundamental in the way that you approach others and understand the world, those with personality disorders face a lot of difficulties. Some respond well, with courage and honesty. Others do not and end up hurting those around them, or worse, hurting themselves. This is no reason to hate, but it is a reason to pity.
Author burning 4 revenge Posted September 8, 2006 Author Posted September 8, 2006 It's my theory that the seven devils attributed to Mary Magdalene in the Gospel of Mathew were actually BDP
Noos Posted September 8, 2006 Posted September 8, 2006 Does that make Angelina Jolie satanic then - oh, wait - she used to wear her ex-husband's blood around her neck...now she adopts babies from poor countries
Touche Posted September 8, 2006 Posted September 8, 2006 Will someone PLEASE tell me what BDP stands for? I thought it was BiPolar Disease. But then I realized that the D comes before the B...
Author burning 4 revenge Posted September 8, 2006 Author Posted September 8, 2006 Sorry, I inverted the letters. It's BPD. Which is also benign prostate disease
Touche Posted September 8, 2006 Posted September 8, 2006 Whaaa???? I'm so confused! Can females get this? Don't F with me now!
Author burning 4 revenge Posted September 8, 2006 Author Posted September 8, 2006 Whaaa???? I'm so confused! Can females get this? Don't F with me now! Well, it's not contagious
Rikka Posted September 8, 2006 Posted September 8, 2006 Touche, BPD is often used to refer to Borderline Personality Disorder. Some people accidentally use it to refer to Bipolar disorder, but they are not one in the same. From Wikipedia: Borderline personality disorder (BPD) is defined within psychiatry and related fields as a disorder characterized primarily by emotional dysregulation, extreme "black and white" thinking (believing that something is one of only two possible things, and ignoring any possible "in-betweens"), and turbulent relationships. Obviously that is the short description of it. Bipolar disorder is commonly known as Manic-Depressive. It is a mood disorder that invovles periods of extreme elation(manias) and/or hypomanias, and severe depression, and/or mixed states.
RecordProducer Posted September 8, 2006 Posted September 8, 2006 Is it a valid excuse to act satanic? I am not an expert, but I think mental disorders do manifest in some very negative traits - they are not simply "there, but you can't see them." People with disaorders can be asses, idiots, iresponsible, unreliable, rude, selfish, liars... You don't know where the disorder stops and ass*holishness begins.. the line is very vague, I believe. I think any negtaive trait is a form of disorder per se, too. E.g. a murderer must be screwed up in the head in some way, he can't just be a normal person, but evil. What's "evil" anyway? I know the difference is that disorders imply that certain chemicals are different in these people's brains, but a lot about the human brain is a mystery still so we can only guess. Very little in our personalities is our fault.
Touche Posted September 8, 2006 Posted September 8, 2006 Touche, BPD is often used to refer to Borderline Personality Disorder. Some people accidentally use it to refer to Bipolar disorder, but they are not one in the same. From Wikipedia: Borderline personality disorder (BPD) is defined within psychiatry and related fields as a disorder characterized primarily by emotional dysregulation, extreme "black and white" thinking (believing that something is one of only two possible things, and ignoring any possible "in-betweens"), and turbulent relationships. Obviously that is the short description of it. Bipolar disorder is commonly known as Manic-Depressive. It is a mood disorder that invovles periods of extreme elation(manias) and/or hypomanias, and severe depression, and/or mixed states. Ok, thank you Rikka! I get it now.
Author burning 4 revenge Posted September 8, 2006 Author Posted September 8, 2006 People with disaorders can be asses, idiots, iresponsible, unreliable, rude, selfish, liars... You don't know where the disorder stops and ass*holishness begins.. the line is very vague, I believe. This what I'm talking about. I'm sure they're unstable, but I think sometimes they may use their diagnosis as an excuse for incredibly cruel and selfish behavior. I think they may even justify some of their actions in their own mind this way.
RecordProducer Posted September 9, 2006 Posted September 9, 2006 I think sometimes they may use their diagnosis as an excuse for incredibly cruel and selfish behavior. I think they may even justify some of their actions in their own mind this way. Nah... they don't see themselves as you see them. They are in denial of their mental illness. They want to believe they are normal and healthy. They are not aware of their faults and if they find any excuses it's that "it's better for them" or "they are right" or they simply don't acknowledge that they are wrong. I don't think they admit to themselves "I am allowed to be bad because I am mentally ill." This would mean that they understand both that they are bad and defective. They understand NONE of it. My husband's first wife is bipolar and she is in complete denial of it. I don't want to write about confidential informatuon in details here.
alphamale Posted September 9, 2006 Posted September 9, 2006 My husband's first wife is bipolar and she is in complete denial of it. That's impossible. Have you ever seen someone in a raging psychotic manic episode or in a deep clincally depressive phase where they stay in bed for 2 months and lose 35 lbs?? There is NO denying that.
Author burning 4 revenge Posted September 9, 2006 Author Posted September 9, 2006 I know what you are saying RP but my sister is bi-polar and i was thinking about borderline which is different. My sister has psychotic episodes which borderline people don't have, plus my sister isn't cruel, she just becomes very irrational. I think that borderliners sometimes know exactly when they are being cruel, but your'e right that they justify their actions by finding fault in others.
Brittanyjean06 Posted September 9, 2006 Posted September 9, 2006 lol Angelina does not have a border line personality disorder. She is just very eccentric and different. And I find nothing wrong with that.
Noos Posted September 9, 2006 Posted September 9, 2006 Brit - look at the criteria and look at her behavioural history and the fact she has incarcerated hersef voluntarily, she used to be a cutter, had an eating disorder and he ow Dad thinks she has mental issues. I swear she a classic BPD case. Unstable relationships??? Um - YEAH!
Brittanyjean06 Posted September 9, 2006 Posted September 9, 2006 Do you think angelina is cruel? or just a bit weird? I woulden't go as far to say as she is really cruel. I just think her boundaries in life are set up a little bit different than some people. Shes a good actress though:o hha
stoopid_guy Posted September 9, 2006 Posted September 9, 2006 Very little in our personalities is our fault. Personalities, maybe not. Behaviors, very much yes. Most people can control their behaviors. And it's only our behavior that's apparent to the outside world, so...
RecordProducer Posted September 10, 2006 Posted September 10, 2006 That's impossible. Have you ever seen someone in a raging psychotic manic episode or in a deep clincally depressive phase where they stay in bed for 2 months and lose 35 lbs?? There is NO denying that. She has done much more alrming stuff than that and is yet in a complete denial for over 20 years now. You think these people have the mental cxapacity to realize what's going on, but they don't - that's why we call them "crazy." :laugh" Most of them are not dangerous for the society and suffer more than the people around them. I know what you are saying RP but my sister is bi-polar and i was thinking about borderline which is different. My sister has psychotic episodes which borderline people don't have, plus my sister isn't cruel, she just becomes very irrational. I think that borderliners sometimes know exactly when they are being cruel, but your'e right that they justify their actions by finding fault in others.I don't know about BPD. This woman is not cruel or bad, she is just constantly going through episodes of manic euphoria and deep, deep depression. She is very unreliable and has had problems with the law pertaining drug abuse. Yet she is financially very successful. Brit - look at the criteria and look at her behavioural history and the fact she has incarcerated hersef voluntarily, she used to be a cutter, had an eating disorder and he ow Dad thinks she has mental issues. I swear she a classic BPD case.Why is it that when a woman is young, beautiful, smart, strong, successful, and obviously has a good heart... that people have to put a negative stamp on her just to make the rest of us seem better than her? Whatever she is, I would never have the strength and generosity to do what she does. And I will never be so pretty. Hm, is that so hard to admit? I am neither happier nor less happy because of her wonderful existence. Unstable relationships??? Um - YEAH!I like this one especially. What's your point? That all the actors and singers, and basiclaly most people in the modern society of unstable relationships has mental disorders?
RecordProducer Posted September 10, 2006 Posted September 10, 2006 Personalities, maybe not. Behaviors, very much yes. Most people can control their behaviors. And it's only our behavior that's apparent to the outside world, so... This is true. But our behavior IS controlled by the type of personlity we are and our many faults and qualities. Besides, you can choose to behave nicely and sacrifice, you can choose to fake your behavior or you can choose to hurt others. If you hurt others, you can be aware of it or not... How do you categorize all these "baskets"?
stoopid_guy Posted September 10, 2006 Posted September 10, 2006 This is true. But our behavior IS controlled by the type of personlity we are and our many faults and qualities. Besides, you can choose to behave nicely and sacrifice, you can choose to fake your behavior or you can choose to hurt others. If you hurt others, you can be aware of it or not... How do you categorize all these "baskets"? Purely by the only thing tangible: The behavior. And you can't fake behavior. Behavior is what you do. For example, if I hold the door for you to go through first, am I; Being a gentleman? Wanting a look at your behind? Trying to make you think I'm "nice" to improve my chances of getting in your pants? or something else? You have no clue. All you know is the behavior. Even if I tell you why, can you be sure I'm telling the truth? And a neat thing about behavior: If someone modifys their behavior (or are forced to modify their behavior) their attitudes will often adjust to fit the new behavior.
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