Walk Posted August 30, 2006 Posted August 30, 2006 Well I work in radio. So my face is useless there And I wouldn't be there if it wern't for... *taps head* A good voice. j/k. Use what you have available. Why would any one purposefully not take advantage of something they could use to move their life forward, or up? That's why people dress up for interviews.. why we take baths and brush our teeths.. In order to not repulse people we take measures to make ourselves presentable. If you've got a "more presentable" image than I do, then take advantage of it. As long as its not used to harm others. Just remember that I'm the one with the big club that stands behind you when you flirt with my man. That's all you gotta remember....
Author Pink Amulet Posted August 30, 2006 Author Posted August 30, 2006 I don't flirt with other womens men. I also don't take advantage of a mans pathetic attempts at materialistic charm- so no gifts for me thanks girliegirl.... I believe in being presentable, and I believe women should be proud of their sexuality- but I certainly don't advocate a woman using it to manipulate or advance when this is certainly not necessary (attractive women possess intelligence and integrity too!). As you say, "as long as it's not used to harm others"- the problem is, even with this mentality, this dangerous use of power through physical means will eventually be harmful to yourself.
Walk Posted August 30, 2006 Posted August 30, 2006 I don't flirt with other womens men. It was a joke. I seriously doubt you would find my truck driving bf your "type". No slight on you... we're just not in your social caste. As you say, "as long as it's not used to harm others"- the problem is, even with this mentality, this dangerous use of power through physical means will eventually be harmful to yourself. I agree.. but I never suggested someone use their looks in a sexual/physical way. Why is it that everyone automatcially assumes the only way a woman can use her looks is if she spreads her legs? Hell, if it were just based on my vagina, then no one would care what the hell my face looked like. There's always danger with power. It corrupts. I would hazard to say that's why some beautiful people end up in bad places. They use the power of their looks to get what they want.. But there isn't anything inheriently wrong with "power". Only in how you use that power.
Author Pink Amulet Posted August 30, 2006 Author Posted August 30, 2006 I agree.. but I never suggested someone use their looks in a sexual/physical way. Why is it that everyone automatcially assumes the only way a woman can use her looks is if she spreads her legs? LOL- I know I certainly didn't?!?! *screams* I was using sexuality in the broader sense of beauty (sometimes non traditional beauty is just as sexy and easily taken advantage of)... so my argument re: "taking advantage" of ones physical self stands true. Worthwhile power can only be attained by the mind.
Author Pink Amulet Posted August 30, 2006 Author Posted August 30, 2006 This could keep going around in circles and I am not actually quite sure what point you are attempting to make... Because this... Use what you have available. Why would any one purposefully not take advantage of something they could use to move their life forward, or up? Contradicts this... I would hazard to say that's why some beautiful people end up in bad places. They use the power of their looks to get what they want..
Walk Posted August 30, 2006 Posted August 30, 2006 Guess because I define moving your life forward as a positive and necessary thing in order to have a happy life.. and using looks to get something just so you won't have to do the work you should've done, is a bad thing.
Walk Posted August 30, 2006 Posted August 30, 2006 Just out of curiousity, why are you so defensive? I was on your side. Unless you subconciously feel that you are using your looks in order to get things you didn't earn and therefore feel guilty about it? But you weren't saying that. And I wasn't accusing you of that. Only saying if you've got an added bonus, then don't feel guilty about it. So why are you so defensive about this? Be confident that you earned what you have and stop seeking approval for your actions and behaviors. You aren't wrong in giving out your number. It either worked, or didn't work. And you already said it worked. You know you've got a brain, and that you earned what you have. Who cares what anyone else thinks? Have some confidence in yourself.
Outcast Posted August 30, 2006 Posted August 30, 2006 You absolutely DO get special treatment. Sadly gorgeous, hair, bod, and breasts are key Thanks, girliegirl. It's so refreshing to see someone acknowledge the truth. I'm sick to death of filthy rich people saying that they have problems too. Yeah, yeah, we know that life isn't all perfect for those who are physically perfect but they have to acknowledge that others' opinions of them are naturally immediately skewed to the positive. You see that right here on LS when women post attractive avatars. Every one of them is assumed to be a wonderful person and earns praise no matter what they report having done. In conflict situations, they are always assumed to be the innocent parties. And on it goes. It's pointless denying it - there are plenty of scientific studies that back the fact that more attractive people get treated better.
Guest Posted August 30, 2006 Posted August 30, 2006 I think it's interesting that this discussion has expanded to involve humans', or more specifically human females', physical attractiveness. I agree that, when it comes to taking initiative in showing interest in a man, what is acceptable for a very attractive woman might not be so well-received coming from a more average looking girl. That's been my experience, anyway (speaking as a woman with above-average but not supermodel league looks). It's also interesting that people assert that even if they are good looking, they don't trade on their looks, that there's more to them than their looks, etc. There are a lot of women on this site who take care to give the impression that they are sexy and beautiful, and I've always wondered why. I guess you can chat with people using pm's, and form relationships that could, in theory, become something in real life. Maybe the hotties get lots of attention from the male members. But in the context of the discussion forums, I've never understood why people need others here to recognize how hot they are. I mean if ever there's a place where that shouldn't make a difference, it's here, right? And yet as Outcast and others have pointed out, it does make a difference in how you're perceived here! And some people really take care to convey their physical attractiveness. It's interesting. I don't know what the significance of being thought of as a hottie is to some people on Love Shack. Maybe it means different things to different people. I'm not accusing anyone of anything. I just think it's interesting.
SmoochieFace Posted August 30, 2006 Posted August 30, 2006 You see that right here on LS when women post attractive avatars. Every one of them is assumed to be a wonderful person and earns praise no matter what they report having done. In conflict situations, they are always assumed to be the innocent parties. And on it goes. It's pointless denying it - there are plenty of scientific studies that back the fact that more attractive people get treated better. Some of us do not fall for that. I treat people based on their character - and character has zip to do with looks. Just because someone may be above average in the looks department doesn't mean they will receive 'special treatment' from me. With that said... the reality of society's attitudes towards physical appearance cannot be denied. A real shame indeed.
SmoochieFace Posted August 30, 2006 Posted August 30, 2006 But in the context of the discussion forums, I've never understood why people need others here to recognize how hot they are. I mean if ever there's a place where that shouldn't make a difference, it's here, right? I agree - it shouldn't make a difference but it does for reasons that I do not understand. The 'need for recognition' may be rooted in a desire for approval, or validation, or simply to prop up a low self-esteem. Those are just guesses, of course. I've always believed that if you are REALLY content with who you are then there is no need to actively 'promote' yourself to others. It's almost as if people are trying to convince others - or, even more likely, themselves about how 'hot' they are. The way I see it... if you truly have the 'goods' people will notice them on their own without any props. Basically... 'let it shine and you'll be fine.'
Noos Posted August 31, 2006 Posted August 31, 2006 I think it's not completely fair to think that the dating world is really that much easier for pretty women. They get cheated on and abused just as much as anyone else. They fall just as hard as anyone else. It seems like they fall for creeps more often. But you've clarified my point Johan. They get abused and cheated on. A lot of women I know, including myself, don't get the opportunity to be cheated on or abused by guys because they've already overlooked us for women who look like Pink. And I know Pink is at uni and is smart but so what? I've got two university degrees (one postgraduate) and am completing a third but it doesn't give me the dating opportunities that she has. Guys don't value brains and personality in a girl. I'm by no means ugly and for all they know, I could be just as nice and lovely, but I don't get a chance because I'm not blonde, tall and model-like. Whereas some girls I know, who have no interests outisde of reading Cleo magazine, preening and being selfish bitches have tonnes of guys falling over themselves to be with them because they are size 8, 5'9", and have long blonde hair. There is a phenomenon that has been studied by psychologists for years called lookism - which notes that people, especially men, are nicer, more helpful and more receptive to those who are physically attractive. Bitter? - yes, actually, I am.
Noos Posted August 31, 2006 Posted August 31, 2006 oh, and Americans - size 8 in Australia is size 4 in your country.
johan Posted August 31, 2006 Posted August 31, 2006 I think your bitterness reveals your own tendency toward "lookism". If you find those guys reject you in favor of women like Pink, and you think that reveals a character issue, do you still consider those shallow men desirable? The guy across the street is married to an overweight woman. The guy next door to me is married to an older woman I don't find appealing at all. None of the women in my family are drop-dead gorgeous and nearly all of them have had lifetime partnerships with good men. Everywhere I look I see men with women who are not really that great to look at. I see a lot of pretty girls who are alone. I dated a very pretty girl, and I could see the hatred on the faces of women like you. Simply because she was nearby them. And they never gave her a chance. Many of them hated her before she ever spoke a word. I felt so sorry for her for having to face small, petty people like that. And it affected her. I respected her, not the bitter ones. When you say you've been rejected for women "like Pink", what frankly do you know about her besides what you've pieced together from her posts and her pictures? Not much really. Outside of this thread, have you ever spoken to her directly about anything? You expect men to look past the beauty, but you don't. I see men everywhere doing it. So, my theory is that there is not any problem that you aren't creating on your own.
burning 4 revenge Posted August 31, 2006 Posted August 31, 2006 Wow Johan is passionate in defense of hot chicks
Outcast Posted August 31, 2006 Posted August 31, 2006 :rolleyes: All anyone knows about the people on these boards is what they read. I could see the hatred on the faces of women like you. Oh puleeze. I hardly think anyone can be bothered to 'hate' because of that. Let's not turn the plight of the beautiful into a complete melodrama.
Author Pink Amulet Posted August 31, 2006 Author Posted August 31, 2006 You see that right here on LS when women post attractive avatars. Every one of them is assumed to be a wonderful person and earns praise no matter what they report having done. In conflict situations, they are always assumed to be the innocent parties. REALLLY? Because I am more inclined to argue that I have got nothing but bullsh*t from day ONE on LS. Every f*cking thread I start is f*king linked back to this bullsh*t. Feel free to discuss how beautiful women are the luckiest people on earth and they get wonderful treatment, but for godsake don't include me in your sweeping statements... I've been through more bullsh*t in the past two years than most people will go through in their enitire lives. F*CK. I am so f*cking sick of this. If a "pretty" girl has stolen your man, or made you feel like **** in highschool... let it the f*ck go, and stop assuming that every one with "blonde hair" is a pathetic, self-absorbed, whore waiting to use her "looks" to get ahead. Maybe you could use this opportunity to accept that I am actually a nice person, with strong morals, and a work ethic that is so far removed from my physical self. I would never take another womans man, I would never sleep with any one to get ahead in my career, and I will continue to use my (seemingly bad) judgement to find someone who will love me for me. I have been sitting here arguing the fact that not all "pretty" women rely on the way they look... and not all women will take advantage of it (if you saw how I dressed at work-not to mention my demeanour- you would undestand) and so far, not one has acknowledged it. Instead, girliegirl posts some DISGUSTING revealation as bait, and you all take it.
johan Posted August 31, 2006 Posted August 31, 2006 Wow Johan is passionate in defense of hot chicks ha ha. I'm nothing if I'm not idealistic. But you can't save everyone.
Outcast Posted August 31, 2006 Posted August 31, 2006 If a "pretty" girl has stolen your man, or made you feel like **** in highschool... let it the f*ck go, and stop assuming that every one with "blonde hair" is a pathetic, self-absorbed, whore waiting to use her "looks" to get ahead. Um. Nobody ever stole my man. Nor did anyone 'pretty' make me feel anything at all. And I don't make those assumptions. Nor was I addressing you specifically. If the shoe fits... Maybe you could use this opportunity to accept that I am actually a nice person, with strong morals, and a work ethic that is so far removed from my physical self. Again, you'll do well if you refrain from assuming that all of these posts are directed specifically at you.
burning 4 revenge Posted August 31, 2006 Posted August 31, 2006 Sometimes I think women who are insecure about their looks might act a little nastier. Sometimes- I don't want to make sweeping statements. But someone you're all sick of hearing about ad nauseam was slightly above average, but had a sense of self-entitlement that made her feel bitter she wasn't prettier and she's always testing herself by trying to steal men from other women, or just being a total whore to get attention.
jerbear Posted August 31, 2006 Posted August 31, 2006 deleted post That is intimidating! :lmao: I think some intimidating women are putting up masks because of the industry they are in. Think women's wrestling or financial (cpa's, mba's) who are direct to the point. The environment and industry dictates it. As much as what people think it is what you know there are other factors like merit and who you know.
Author Pink Amulet Posted August 31, 2006 Author Posted August 31, 2006 Um. Nobody ever stole my man. Nor did anyone 'pretty' make me feel anything at all. And I don't make those assumptions. Nor was I addressing you specifically. If the shoe fits... Again, you'll do well if you refrain from assuming that all of these posts are directed specifically at you. Outcast- Same goes... I wasn't directing my post at you. "You" was meant in the broader sense.
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