hyakku Posted July 12, 2006 Posted July 12, 2006 I'm at work, and reflecting back on myself and seeing my personal evolution, I wanna get some feedback on some of my thoughts. Please leave comments, suggestions, ideas, whatever, I'm interested. What's a man? A man's a guy who wants to follow his purpose no matter what. No woman, man, animal, or anything in this world will take him off his path. He's filled with such a desire to meet his own goals and fulfill himself, that the triats like confidence, charisma, etc, all come naturally. Its not about techniques or routines or games (as I once thought), but about being a man. And what defines a man? Its about getting out into the world and walking with conviction. Its about being totally happy with oneself, and wanting to see others happy when around him. Its about spreading this infectious joy to everyone around like a plague NOT because he wants their approval, but because he realizes that being happy is what life is about. Its about having respect, and making sure every one else knows that he will NOT tolerate this disrespect of himself or his property. What he worked for he esteems in high value. His friends are hand picked and selected by him because he respects, and admires their traits, yet does not look to them for validation. He is validated by his sense of accomplishment and sense of self. Real men are at grips with their sexuality. They aren't running around trying to coerce a woman into liking them or trying to use all these different techniques to make these women like them. They don't rely on women for their sense of self. Women are not the center of their universe, they are merely another part of it, albeit an important part, but not a necessity. Women are attracted to a real man, not because he can hypnotize them into liking him, but because he says to the world, "World, this is me, and my life. I will take what I want from you no matter how much work is needed". Women are attracted to a real man for the simple reason that his desire is so strong and burns so brightly, that others have no choice but to accept his will. He does not apologize for his sexuality or his instinct, for he realizes that these very urges are not curses, but the beauty of nature, manifested in his own core, and he accepts this. Real men don't need women, but they love to have women enjoy themselves. The smile that lights across a womans face, when they know that she feels totally fulfilled and at ease with them and feels as if she can only experience admiration, happiness, and respect when with him enhances his happiness. He knows that women will enjoy him, not because he can spit out some rehearsed line, but because he appreciates them as the beautiful creations they are. Sure women may be a pain, but after all, human beings are not flawless. He does not look for a woman without faults, rather, he looks for a woman to be his equal. A woman who will not only respect him, but will satisfy the same primal urges that have kept our species alive for so long. He realizes that the dating may be a game, its only as difficult as one allows it to be, for although women play games, its not to harm the male, its simply to make certain that he is truly a man. Destiny did not allow for the great men of our times to have easy lives. Thomas Edison did not get the lightbulb his first time. George Washington didn't become president without work. Martin Luther King did not just walk up to congress and say, "change these rules" and it was made so. A man realizes that tests are necessary for constant improvement. Finally, a man is so sure of himself, that though he lives in his own world, he is still a man. He is no better than any other man or woman, he simply has realized his true potential. He looks upon the world through new eyes each day, and appreciates the value of the lesser recognized items. The way the grass sways in the cool wind, or how the leaves dance with each other in a hypnotic motion, and he realizes that though a tree may fall many times, or it may rain for days upon days, every moment of life is unique. One second of life will never be repeated EXACTLY the same ever again throughout time. He can throw the same ball against the same wall, but something in the world has changed, and it is this realization that allows him to appreciate and fulfill every dream and aspiration he possesses. He never, will settle, he will constantly push, constantly improve, and constantly desire. For desire is what fuels the success of man. In the society we live in, men are no longer men, they are only a former shadow of what true men are, bent and shaped by the ideoligies of society, women, wussy men, etc. It is time for man to recapture his essence. His Core. It is time for men to rely on themselves for sucess, and no one else. Men, rise up and take greatness from this world, no longer shall we wait and hope it walks into our laps. Spring forward and leap for the moon. As a great man once said, "Aim for the moon, if you miss, you will still be amongst the stars".
magichands Posted July 12, 2006 Posted July 12, 2006 Interesting point of view. I always thought it is a person with a dangly thingamajig.
Author hyakku Posted July 12, 2006 Author Posted July 12, 2006 Interesting point of view. I always thought it is a person with a dangly thingamajig. Well that too, but those are just more for recreational purposes .
ilmw Posted July 12, 2006 Posted July 12, 2006 Good post! I agree with you 100%.... it is so easy for us men to lose ourselves and get caught up with day to day life. We have to find and maintain our centre and do as you say... Be a MAN. ilmw
quankanne Posted July 12, 2006 Posted July 12, 2006 . Its about having respect, and making sure every one else knows that he will NOT tolerate this disrespect of himself or his property it's about having respect for others, not just self. Period. Otherwise you're just another dick on legs.
Author hyakku Posted July 12, 2006 Author Posted July 12, 2006 . Its about having respect, and making sure every one else knows that he will NOT tolerate this disrespect of himself or his property it's about having respect for others, not just self. Period. Otherwise you're just another dick on legs. Very true, I find though, that when you respect self, respecting others comes naturally, because you realize that when you are happy, others will be happy, and disrespect won't be an issue, and if it is, you handle it accordingly. Hopefully there will come a time in my life where disrespecting others won't even be possible, it'll be a foreign concept to me, thats what I'm hoping to strive for as well. There's so much left to push for, life is f***ing great.
Guest Posted July 13, 2006 Posted July 13, 2006 What about being a real Women thou? it sounds like a man HAS to be a REAL man or no women is going to like him. Do women have to be REAL women for guys to want them? I think the post is kinda stupid just for the reason that, i think just by being urself is how to be sucessfull in a relationship not by being a "real man". If someone isnt going to like you for who you are then there not really worth your time are they? Just my 5 cents
melbourneboy Posted July 13, 2006 Posted July 13, 2006 What about being a real Women thou? it sounds like a man HAS to be a REAL man or no women is going to like him. Do women have to be REAL women for guys to want them? I think the post is kinda stupid just for the reason that, i think just by being urself is how to be sucessfull in a relationship not by being a "real man". If someone isnt going to like you for who you are then there not really worth your time are they? Just my 5 cents
mika Posted July 13, 2006 Posted July 13, 2006 a man is simply a human with a penis and a flat chest. everything else is an invidvidual. all men aren't the same.
Outcast Posted July 13, 2006 Posted July 13, 2006 In the society we live in, men are no longer men, they are only a former shadow of what true men are, bent and shaped by the ideoligies of society, women, wussy men, etc Ohhh give me a break! REAL men don't get all swept up in the macho vibe and moan and whine about 'men no longer being men' and blame the rest of the world. The guys that do that are insecure men who are trying desperately to convince all around including themselves that they are 'real' men.
westernxer Posted July 13, 2006 Posted July 13, 2006 If someone isnt going to like you for who you are then there not really worth your time are they? That's the way I see it, too.
Author hyakku Posted July 13, 2006 Author Posted July 13, 2006 Ohhh give me a break! REAL men don't get all swept up in the macho vibe and moan and whine about 'men no longer being men' and blame the rest of the world. The guys that do that are insecure men who are trying desperately to convince all around including themselves that they are 'real' men. See, this is the problem, people keep this idea, yet when all he roaring is going on about men needing to man up and take their place, no one does it. No where did my post say, "Run around beating your chest saying, ME TARZAN ME TARZAN". For people who say they want to be themselves, that's great, you should be. I'm not asking you to get out there and do anything different other than pursue your own desires to death (Like Thomas paine says, it takes a man to follow his desires till he dies), have some real self respect and boundaries, demand others show him it and give it BACK to others, stop pussyfooting and be honest when it comes to women instead of trying to coerce them into liking them, appreciate and accept women instead of trying to "change" them, and more important, trust that he is right when he has really done his best efforts to ensure it, and if not he learns from his mistakes and grows from it. Where in there does it say, "You need to change yourself into some macho ape man". And I'm sure many will say, "well duh, thats obvious" but 99% of men out there, DON'T DO IT. That's the point, they all like to pretend and say, "Yea i get this" and they go out and let women abuse them (because they don't have self respect themselves, why should women respect you if you don't respect yourself?), run around with this low self confidence, look for validation and approval from everyone but themselves and more importantly and the worse, SETTLE FOR WHAT LIFE GIVES THEM. "Well life isn't fair". you know what? Thats awesome f***ing news. If it was, we all would have no chance to advance and evolve and become better. Sure life may seem to give other people better chances than others, but you don't knwo WHAT they had to do to get there, and instead of being insecure and needy and hating on them, you need to go, "Wow thats f***ing awesome, I'm going to reach that level of greatness as well through perseverence and persistence". It IS truth, that men are watching the television, seeing movies, reading books, telling them basically that they should deny natural instinct and fit themselves into weak soft boys. Do not say this is not true. If this wasn't true, boards like this wouldn't exist. Men wouldn't be wandering around saying things like, "How can I keep her with me?" or "I want this certain woman but she's so beautiful and this and that and I'm just not worthy wahhh". Onto the point about real women, because I'm really interested in this topic too, and I can only really give my opinion. Hopefully a real woman (about 1 out of every 15-20 women MAYBE) that is cool, down to earth, gets what goes on in the dating world, etc, can come up here and post some of her beliefs, but I can add the following: WHen real men man up and step up to the plate and really evolve to a level above most other guys, they generally stop settling for the gold diggers, bitches, immature women, psychos, etc, that so many average guys take because they have no set of Values. They just take whatever they can find. Most guys will NOT accept a woman that is one of the aforementioned or lesser quality women (maybe for sex, but usually not, because there are alot fo women who have their act together out there), because they have set up their own standards. And you know what? The REAL women out there find it attractive, and those are usually the girls that EVERY guy wants to be in a relationship with, but can't. So guys stop making these ridiculous excuses for not wanting to be a man and take responsibility all the time. That old, "I should be liked for who I am" is a silly cop out. No one is telling you to change your self, they are saying to improve the quality of your life, have some ethics and some self dignity for God's sake, and be the man that not only every woman wants, but every man wants to be. Not because you have a huge dick or because you are an arrogant bastard, but because you know what you want out of life, you take what you want out of life, and you don't need to harm others in the way. You appreciate life, women, your time, and yourself. That's a man. Now stop ebing lazy about "changing" yourself, and get out there and man up.
basscatcher Posted July 13, 2006 Posted July 13, 2006 Hyakku-- I love everything you say...I agree with your concepts, beliefs and way of thinking already.. (by the way--what happened to yesterday posts on this thread. Everything I said (in agreement with you) is gone?Because I asked you to marry me intended that your thinking is what I agree with. I was giving a alternative, fun way of approval for what I was saying and the mods took it down? ) Weird....
Outcast Posted July 14, 2006 Posted July 14, 2006 99% of men out there, DON'T DO IT. That's the point, they all like to pretend and say, "Yea i get this" and they go out and let women abuse them Not hardly. 99 per cent? Not a chance in hades. It IS truth, that men are watching the television, seeing movies, reading books, telling them basically that they should deny natural instinct and fit themselves into weak soft boys. Do not say this is not true. If this wasn't true, boards like this wouldn't exist. Men wouldn't be wandering around saying things like, "How can I keep her with me?" or "I want this certain woman but she's so beautiful and this and that and I'm just not worthy wahhh". Here's news: there have always been people of both genders with poor self-esteem who have allowed themselves to be used. There have always been bullies of both genders. Nothing about this is new and it certainly hasn't been 'caused' by popular culture. I agree that mutual respect is vital in a relationship. That's all you need to say. You don't need to use made-up numbers or make some big tragedy of the 'feminization of men' because that's not happening. LS has a membership of a couple of tens of thousands out of the billions of people on the planet so to analyze what's going on in the world based on cursory reading of some posts on a board will give you a skewed idea of life.
Author hyakku Posted July 14, 2006 Author Posted July 14, 2006 Not hardly. 99 per cent? Not a chance in hades. Here's news: there have always been people of both genders with poor self-esteem who have allowed themselves to be used. There have always been bullies of both genders. Nothing about this is new and it certainly hasn't been 'caused' by popular culture. I agree that mutual respect is vital in a relationship. That's all you need to say. You don't need to use made-up numbers or make some big tragedy of the 'feminization of men' because that's not happening. LS has a membership of a couple of tens of thousands out of the billions of people on the planet so to analyze what's going on in the world based on cursory reading of some posts on a board will give you a skewed idea of life. Good chance I don't believe in greek mythology Really though, you're right its not 99% of guys, its more like 90%, huge difference. Come on man, don't be naive. Why do books like The rules sell millions, why are divorce rates at an all time high, why do hundreds of sites like this exist, why is seduction self help becoming so big (books, e books, etc all multi million dollar industries all ready. HELL look at the movies based on this s***: Dao of Steve, Hitch, there's a "The Game" by neil strauss movie coming up, etc), why are movies aimed at teenagers predominantly regarding nerds becoming bad boys to get chicks, whatever. It's not an "isolated" case. And us men are coming up with more and more pathetic excuses to not be men. "Women don't like me because I'm too white/black/asian/idian" "I don't have enough money" "I'm not buff enough" "Women are bitches" "Women are superficial" The list is longer than the f***ing declaration of independence, its ridiculous. Everyone wants to make an excuse about why things don't work for them because guess what, they: A. Don't know what to do, and are to afraid/arrogant to seek help. B. Are LAZY Think about it. Before all this language bulls***, movies, music, society as we know it, there were cavemen who relied on instinct. AND THEY SURVIVED WITHOUT ALL THIS SUPERFICIAL s***. So why is it that now, all of it makes a difference. It doesn't men are just getting lazy and saying, "How can I easiest get laid with minimal effort and live life with no responsibilities. Oh I know, I'll settle for whatever woman crosses my path and I'm treated in anyway, I'll settle for my life, throw away my dreams and aspirations, run from all the problems I can, and find the easy way out of ones I can't run from, and life will be good". Then they get to be old men and look back and say, "Where did all the time go?" Don't do that guys, life is too short and sweet. Women aren't bitches or superficial whatever you're excuse is for not succeeding (most aren't at least). And outcast, please look out in the world today, and say that men are really stepping up as leaders (not in business whatever, but in their household, in THEIR OWN LIVES, not in others), tell me that men aren't getting complacent and throwing away their dreams to settle down because they want an easy life. Look around. Men are throwing away their lives and people are letting it happen. You don't know how many old people that have said, "I wish I would have taken that risk" or "I wish I had more time to do X", and its because of reasons like this. Stop with the excuses guys, stop hating women for your problems, and go SUCCEED!
Outcast Posted July 14, 2006 Posted July 14, 2006 Why do books like The rules sell millions The rules sells millions as do thousands of other relationship books including the ones that tell both partners to respect and honour their partners. If you're going to make a point, you need to pick facts that support your point. why are divorce rates at an all time high Thousands of reasons. Not only women are at fault. why do hundreds of sites like this exist Before they did, there was Dear Abby and Ann Landers and advice columns in newspapers and magazines. It's just that the Internet is there and easy now. why is seduction self help becoming so big Because there's a sucker born every minute. Why are diet books the biggest sellers of all? Anybody getting thinner? And us men are coming up with more and more pathetic excuses to not be men. You really don't like men very much, do you? Why is it that it's always men who post such denigrating posts about men? there were cavemen who relied on instinct. AND THEY SURVIVED WITHOUT ALL THIS SUPERFICIAL s*** When you're up to your butt in dinosaurs and die at 20, you haven't time to muse about life, the universe, and everything.
Author hyakku Posted July 14, 2006 Author Posted July 14, 2006 The rules sells millions as do thousands of other relationship books including the ones that tell both partners to respect and honour their partners. If you're going to make a point, you need to pick facts that support your point. Thousands of reasons. Not only women are at fault. Before they did, there was Dear Abby and Ann Landers and advice columns in newspapers and magazines. It's just that the Internet is there and easy now. Because there's a sucker born every minute. Why are diet books the biggest sellers of all? Anybody getting thinner? You really don't like men very much, do you? Why is it that it's always men who post such denigrating posts about men? When you're up to your butt in dinosaurs and die at 20, you haven't time to muse about life, the universe, and everything. What the hell. Have you read the rules? Some of the rules: Never meet him more than once or twice a week. Always be the first to end calls. Don't call too much. Whatever, were in the hell do you get respect out of that. Sure later on they might teach that, but they are still teaching a game. I'm not blaming women at all. In fact, many times its the guys fault. If this wasn't a big problem, these things wouldn't exist, its simple logic. Get out into the world and see how about 8/10 guys are afraid to APPROACH a woman, and of the two that do, chances are that neither one has enough balls to carry a conversation with her before running away in fear. Why are diet books huge sellers? Because the people that want to lose weight will lose it. People who don't and just wanna trick themselves don't get slimmer. And yes there are people who do get slimmer, I know of one guy in particular who pushed himself, made his own diet and bam was losing pounds and gaining muscle mass in week, because his desire was that strong. Stop trying to deny the obvious, people are moving away from nature and more towards this structured idea of society that your instincts are wrong and you need to act in a certain way to succeed and meet women, etc. Why is it always that men post deginerating post? I'm not deginerating us, its truth. And the worst part is, a bunch of guys are gonna come up here go, "yea but I don't wanna change myself", even though no one is asking them to change s***. Use your balls for God's sake. Stop being pussies, women already have one why would they want another? We post this stuff so that hopefully other men will catch on and stop raising their sons to be wimps and femi men, so that guy swill grow up and start being the real protectors, providers, and the men that nature has inbred into their genes and that this ridiculous social conditioning is trying to eliminate. And those cavemen that lvied back then were more successful than the guys who live till 80 nowadays, thats the sad part . Guys, stop settling in life. Feed into your desires, become your desires and never give up on your path. It's not just about women, its about being happy in life. If you don't want to work where you work, QUIT. FOLLOW YOUR DREAM. Do WHATEVER IT TAKES. This is something I wrote to another guy who was whining that e hated his joba nd it makes him misreable, the normal defeated talk: Anyway, you need to sit down, and find what you want. Decide what you want. Think to yourself, if you could do absolutely anything, what would you do? After that, you need to concoct a plan to get you there as soon as possible. And you need to start OBSESSING about it. You have to obsess so hard that you see yourself in that position. Like Napoleon hill said in his interviews with Edison, he failed thousands of times but because he SAW himself succeeding he did. Thats the secret of everyone who succeed. The desire what they want to bad that they see themselves doing it, and it happens. This isn't going to hurt you at all. Its not going to require hard work. all its going to do is just for you to discover what your purpose is, and fulfill that s***. Don't say s*** is impossible. In fact that word shouldn't be in your vocabulary. Toss that worthless piece of s*** word out of your head from this day forward. And a perfect example? Napoleon Hill's son was born WITHOUT ears, the doctors examined his skull and said that he didn't have the equipment to hear. But his dad had this same drive for his son to hear. The same drive that made the hundreds of pioneers successful. And he instilled it into his son. They found out later that his son could use his bones to transmit sound and he could hear things if they were shouted at close range or whatever. Later on a device was invented for his son to be able to hear like normal people. Let me also let you know that they would not ALLOW their son to go to deaf school. They forced him into normal public school, they forced him to succeed. He was forced to succeed and even go to college, and even then he SUCCEEDED. Because of his DESIRE. When he was a child he snuck out of the house and borrowed 6 cents from his neighbor to buy papers to sell and by the end of the day he had returned with 42 cents. A boy that could not hear risked his life because he wanted to be normal, his desire was to sell those papers, and he got out there and DID that. When his brother wanted something he would whine and bitch about it, when HE wanted something, he concoted a plan, and got out there and did it. Look at helen keller, she was deaf, blind and dumb, yet she will be forever remembered in history. Beethoven was deaf yet he composed works of supreme beauty. Thomas Edison failed thousands of times. Andrew Carnagie started as a lowly worker. George Washington was just a foot soldier. Franklin Roosevelt (Believe it was him), had disease and was weak and even nearly killed during a speech, but HE KEPT GOING. HE DIDN'T PUSSY OUT AND SAY, "O well, i guess I'll just settle and lay down here for help". HE BROUGHT AMERICA OUT OF A DEPRESSION FOR f***S SAKE, THAT EVERYONE THOUGHT WOULD BE THE END OF THE WORLD AS THEY KNEW IT. Do you see the difference between failures and success? Failures have YOUR mindset, the mindset that they have to do something. That they have to settle and just take everything. Real man follow their passion with a desire so strong that they see themselves succeeding. Follow your desire. Find your purpose in life. Be a man. Life is about happiness. If you dont push for your own happiness no one else is going to do it for you. And before I head off to go paint (woooo!!!!), there's another thing I've been thinking that I wanted to ask some females. My thoughts were, when men don't act like men, and females get into a relationship with them under a false pretense, do you guys usually end up getting hurt and brought down with the guy when he starts to crumble under the pressure of leading, etc. Because I'm starting to realize that when men aren't men, women can't support the men like they want to, and I find that women in broken relationships often can't even live their OWN life to the fullest because htey have to constantly worry about their guy. Is this true or just more like a wrong assumption?
Outcast Posted July 14, 2006 Posted July 14, 2006 Whatever, were in the hell do you get respect out of that Reread what I said. You missed a few words.
basscatcher Posted July 14, 2006 Posted July 14, 2006 ??Hyakku do you have your PMs turned on so when it becomes active you can get messages??
ronnieromance Posted July 14, 2006 Posted July 14, 2006 The rules sells millions as do thousands of other relationship books including the ones that tell both partners to respect and honour their partners. If you're going to make a point, you need to pick facts that support your point. Thousands of reasons. Not only women are at fault. Before they did, there was Dear Abby and Ann Landers and advice columns in newspapers and magazines. It's just that the Internet is there and easy now. Because there's a sucker born every minute. Why are diet books the biggest sellers of all? Anybody getting thinner? You really don't like men very much, do you? Why is it that it's always men who post such denigrating posts about men? I think his posts were on point. What I find interesting is that you think he doesn't like men because he tells men that, in order to be men they need to man the F up. It's true. The irony is that, on a general level I find a big difference between the sexes is that women like to coddle each other with kind words. I think verbal and idealogical coddling and blame-shifting is a big dis-service to people. -R-
Author hyakku Posted July 14, 2006 Author Posted July 14, 2006 Reread what I said. You missed a few words. I did, my mistake, next time i'll read through better lol. Still, the rest I still stand by. And I think I have them on I'll check, but I never knew they were down, pada. Edit: I didn't have them enabled, now I do. But I don't have any, so I'm assuming they are still down.
Cecelius Posted July 14, 2006 Posted July 14, 2006 The only problem I have with hyakku's post is that the more men that man up, the harder the competition becomes... Whether it's an epidemic, or a new thing, or otherwise, there's nothing wrong with a man (correctly) pointing out what other men may want to consider.
Guest Posted July 14, 2006 Posted July 14, 2006 my definitions: what is a man? if you are over 18 and have at least one testicle, you are a man. nothing else is necessary.
Author hyakku Posted July 15, 2006 Author Posted July 15, 2006 The only problem I have with hyakku's post is that the more men that man up, the harder the competition becomes... Whether it's an epidemic, or a new thing, or otherwise, there's nothing wrong with a man (correctly) pointing out what other men may want to consider. Yea I know itll make "the game" harder . But you did bring up something I was thinking about and the reason why I think more guys should act like this (and I wanna constantly be improving because I doubt I match this ideal right now, or ever will, but its great to be able to push towards something). If more guys acted like this, not only do the real, QUALITY women, get what they deserve, but more women will be FORCED to be quality. Think about if no guy put up with goldiggers, bitches, immature brats, etc. They couldn't keep this mentality. Then guys wouldn't be able to blame their problems on women, and the quality women out there won't get shafted by this bulls*** that weak guys have put out to make women out to be the bad guys. And on top of all that, the jerk/a**h***s would be basically eliminated, because what women would put up with that when there are guys awho give her the same emotional pleasure, WITHOUT the abuse. Its a win win situation for EVERYONE I think. Of course, women should be improving to, but when you think abuot it, what need is there for them to do so. Golddiggers, bitches, brats, etc, all get away with it because guys act this way. Hell, the quality women get looked over alot because guys are scared that a woman might treat them with....RESPECT...*GASP*!!!
Outcast Posted July 15, 2006 Posted July 15, 2006 Here's something to chew on. It's a mistake to believe that people are intentionally, deliberately mean. I've met very few people in my life who haven't issues of some sort; and people's reactions to issues are often to behave less-than-ideally. So rather than devising a theory that all women are hideous and that you must try 'strategies' to fend off their horribleness, I suggest you do a lot of reading in psych, learn what messes people up and why they react the way they do, and then aim to find a healthy parnter. All the rest of this hooey is just a big ball of bluster IMHO. And you spend so much time thinking about your 'strategies' that you don't notice when you walk smack dab into another person with serious issues. Learn about other people; there's a good way to spend your time rather than devising rants and 'strategies'.
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