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[Weemoney]

Hello all,

 

This is my first post to this forum, but have been reading them for a few days now. I have been married for 4 years today and togethor for 6 with my outstanding wife. She told me the day before yesterday that she doesnt think she is in love with me anymore. This of course is devistating to me as I am one of those guys that you would say "How did he get her?", plus she is the most loving person I have ever met and the only person I have ever felt the way I do about.

 

Anyways, I had some time where I found the wonderful world of online gaming and got hooked on a stupid game and did not pay much attention to her. She tells me that is what changed her feelings. I personally feel and her best friend agrees that the fact that I picked her up at the age of 18 from a town of 300 people and then at 20 had her first of two children kind of put a damper on the things that you would normally do at that age.

 

Well, we now live in a town that alot of her family lives in including her 19 yr old cousin who is just that, 19 single and has nothing better to do except chill and hang out everyday. I know this is appealing to her as she never really got to enjoy it topped with the fact that she has not worked in 4 years and has been our daycare for that period. She started going out periodically and I of course did not go because of the "virtual" reality that I had found. This went on for about 7 months and then I of course knew what I was doing to her and stopped what I was doing, but she then didnt really want me to with her when she went as she said she needed her time, which of course I was totally fine with.

 

Well, we went for a while like that and I could tell she was slowly slipping away from me no matter what I tried to do with her, she didnt really want it except for the kids. So I moved out of my house the other day because I didnt want her to fell trapped with me there and she doesnt have a job and no money so I told her to stay in the house and would help her find a job which I did today and still pay the rent that is coming up. She last night decided that the house was too hurtfull for her to stay in and went to stay with her best friend which is good so she has someone and does not have to be alone.

 

I have to admit that I have been badgering her with the normal what's and why's and when is she coming back which I know is just gonna push her farther away from me. Stupid I know, but I am also worried that she is going to convincer herself of what is right rather then following her heart. She spent most of the day today vomiting from stress and fear and has told me that last two days that she has this annoying feeling in the back of her head that she is making the biggest mistake of her life (God I hope she goes with that).

 

I tried telling her that is her concsious speaking, but she is not going to listen to me and I understand that and frankly I need to keep my mouth shut and let her do this without me. I did take her shopping today and bought her some much needed things and some groceries as she is going to need to eat sometime. I am having huge issues letting her be because I am scared as hell and have no idea what to do with out her.

 

I dont really have any friends in this town except co-workers and my mother so I dont really know what to do with my time. Her friend tells me that she believes that the lifestyle she sees her friend living is appealing to her and that is the issue rather then a loss of love. I have ended my day by sending her some of her favorite flowers which I have not done in the time we have been together and then took the kids to stay with her as I have to work tomorrow. She actually had a smile on her face and came up and hugged me.

 

She still tells me she loves me when I say it and I think that is good but am lost for actions at this point. Her friend tells me to just keep doing what I have been doing by calling or texting to see is she is feeling ok and making suggestions to go do stuff together, which she always shoots down but I want her to know that my door is open and I am here.

 

This post is gonna be way too long so I will stop and just hope that you guys can maybe help me.

[Gunny376]

Michele Weiner-Davis, re: DivorceBusting

 

 

1. Do not pursue, reason, chase, beg, plead or

implore!

 

2. No frequent phone calls

 

3. Do not point out good points in marriage

 

4. Do not follow her around the house

 

5. Do not encourage talk about the future

 

6. Do not ask for help from family members

 

7. Do not ask for reassurances

 

8. Do not buy gifts

 

9. Do not schedule dates together

 

10. Do not spy on spouse

 

11. Do not say "I Love You"

 

12. Act as if you are moving on with your life

 

13. Be cheerful, strong, outgoing and attractive

 

14. Don't sit around waiting on your spouse - get

busy, do things, go to church, go out with friends,

etc.

 

15. When home with your spouse, (if you usually start

the conversation) be scarce or short on words

 

16. If you are in the habit of asking your spouse his

whereabouts, ASK NOTHING

 

17. You need to make your partner think that you have

had an awakening and, as far as you are concerned, you

are going to move on with your life, with or without

your spouse

 

18. Do not be nasty, angry or even cold - just pull

back and wait to see if spouse notices and, more

important, realize what he will be missing

 

19. No matter what you are feeling TODAY, only show

your spouse happiness and contentment. Show her

someone he would want to be around.

 

20. All questions about marriage should be put on

hold, until your spouse wants to talk about it (which

may be a while)

 

21. Never lose your cool

 

22. Don't be overly enthusiiastic

 

23. Do not argue about how he feels (it only makes

their feelings stronger)

 

24. Be patient

 

25. Listen carefully to what your spouse is really

saying to you

 

26. Learn to back off, shut up and walk away when you

want to speak out

 

27. Take care of yourself (exercise, sleep, laugh &

focus on all the other parts of your life that are not

in turmoil)

 

28. Be strong and confident and learn to speak softly

 

29. Know that if you can do 180, your smallest

CONSISTENT actions will be noticed much more than any

words you can say or write

 

30. Do not be openly desperate or needy even when you

are hurting more than ever and are desperate and needy

 

31. Do not focus on yourself when communicating with

your spouse

 

32. Do not believe any of what you hear and less than

50% of what you see. Your spouse will speak in

absolute negatives because she is hurting and scared

 

33. Do not give up no matter how dark it is or how bad

you feel

 

34. Do not backslide from your hardearned changes

 

Print this out and read several times daily. The more of the oppossite of these things that you do ~ the wrorse that your going to make it. Just walk away from it and leave it alone, and keep your mouth shut! The more you talk ~ the more fuel your adding to the fire. If and when you do talk ~ keep it short and on neutral topics.

 

I don't care if your crying your baby blues out each night ~ and sleeping like a new born baby (waking up every two hours) ~ don't let her know it.

 

You've got to give her time to miss you, and to miss your marriage. The human mind is an amazing thing ~ over time ~ you've forget or at least tend to think less about the bad times even during the worse of times during your life ~ but it happens over times. Doing anything but the above keeps dredging up those memories. She's thinking there's another life out there ~ and perhaps its something that she's got to explore on her own ~ to see what's out there. I promise you, its a meat market out there, and you've got to shovel tons of coal before you find a diamond.

 

You? You need to get busy and stay busy ~ if you're not coming home and dropping dead from PHYSICAL exhaustion ~ then you need to get busy ~ getting busy. Don't start drinking, using illegal drugs. If your having trouble sleeping at night ~ go to WalMart (whereever) and get some melatonin 5mg. The bottle says take one tablet, I take 2-3. (Height ~ Bodymass) Its over the counter, non-presection and you will find it in the vitamins section. It won't "knock" you out ~ but it will make you drozy, sleepy, watery-eyes, yawning. When you do get to bed it will quite your thoughts, and you will wake up rested.

[sugarplum]

Well, you sound like really nice guy who genuinely cares about his marriage. Hooray for you! I kind know what happened with the gaming thing. Only for me its football season, especially if the steelers are playing - I (and the rest of the family) cease to exist. It hurts, but not enough to end a marriage over. Could there be something else going on? The fact that you are concerned for her and making sure she has food is so sweet. Lots of guys would not be so kind and take the opportunity to be a jerk to her. Hopefully, since you obviously want to stay together with her, she will come around and come back. Sounds like you've been blindsided a bit. Sorry for that.

[sugarplum]

oh yeah, Gunny376 has great points. As sweet as it is that you made sure she had food, etc. I wouldn't continue this. She needs to take care of herself to see what it will be like without you.

[paige367]

Kinda drastic, I think. And LOOOONNNG. I agree...pull back...stay busy...give her space....be there for your children especially.

[Gunny376]

Now is the time for personal introspection. Personal reflection ~ a fancy way of saying that you need to look at the three fingers you've got pointing back at you verses the one that you've got pointing at wife. You need to take some time and look at what you "could have ~ should have ~ would have" done differently if you were the guy NOW that you were the day you got married.

 

You need to sit around, strare at the walls and the ceiling, with nothing on, not the tv, nor radio. Allow yourself a certain amount of time to

 

Grieve

Worry

Be scared and afraid

Give into your fears

Cry

Throw a pity party ~ "Poor is me!"

Maybe get drunk ~ once!

Express and experience all of the negative emotions that you're feeling right now ~ vent them ~ get them out of the way. And then take them and seek positive ways to vent them. Scream in the middle of cow pasture. Run, jump, pump iron, chop wood, work on Mom's house. Whatever. Just get busy.

 

Now is the time to learn what works and doesn't work. Guess what ~ you're not going to find it in the movies or TV.

 

Dating and mating ~ is a lot like being in sales ~ except the product your selling is yourself.

 

Basic sales class 101 ~

 

Meet and greet

Qualify ~ "What are they looking for"

Feature and benefit ~ "What you've got to offer"

Overcoming objections

Closing

Repeat business

 

Most guys do great on the first four ~ lousy on closing. Simply because they don't know when nor how to ask for the sale ~ and most importantly when to shut the Hell up!

 

If they make it through the first five ~ to include closing, they squirel the deal by not seeking "repeat business" ~ that is to say "What it takes to get them ~ is what it takes to keep them.

 

You think I'm jokng about the sales thing?

 

You go to a party ~ you see a babe, you walk up to her and say, "I'm terrific in bed" ~ that's direct marketing.

 

You go to a party ~ you see a babe, your buddy walks up to her and points at you and says, "He's terrific in bed! That's in-direct marketing

 

You go to a party ~ you see a babe, your buddy see's her too ~ but she goes home with him ~ he calls you up at 3 in the morning and says she's too much for him ~ that's customer service

 

You're on your way to a party, and as your drive through the neighborhood, you think about all the women that live there ~ and you pull over, and climb on the roof top of one of the houses, and yell "I'm great in bed!" That's spamming.

 

The first thing that you've got to do is get control ~ of yourself, your emotions, your life, yourself. You can't do anythig about the wife and her wants and needs right now. But you do have complete control over yourself, your emotions, your thoughts, your life. That's what you need to work on getting control over.

 

When you say this stuff that she's the love of your life, and I can't imagine life without her stuff ~ you're saying she's got control over you. Dude! Never let anyone, me, her, Adolf freaking Hitler have that much control. Never allow someone to have that much control over your emotions that they can steal your joy and happiness from you. NEVER!

 

News flash for you! There's no shortage of women in Oregan. None! As a matter of fact ~ they're covered up with GOOD women looking for good men! And if there were ~ move!

[Weemoney]

I want to thank you gunny for the tips. I have been hearing the same from everyone around me including her family, but to have that from a unbiased and unknowing party really makes it sound "right".

 

as far as buying the food, she is going to have the kids half of the time and if the were to go without food and I was able to remedy that would make me feel worthless.

 

this may sound dumb, but I have gone 3 hours without talking to her and I'm dying because she is sick to her stomach from stress and fear and that in trun makes me feel the same. I do as well know that me xalling her all the time will make me less appealing then I already am.

 

I am trying to not let her see me break down, but when my 3 yr old asked why I wasn't staying with them, I couldn't help it.

 

again thank you all and the creators of this site for the support and friendliness that is provided and please keep the advice, similar situations and friendliness coming.

[Gunny376]

oh yeah, Gunny376 has great points. As sweet as it is that you made sure she had food, etc. I wouldn't continue this. She needs to take care of herself to see what it will be like without you.

 

I stole this from another post from Lady Jane ~ she rocks! Although I'm kind of PO she wasn't around sixteen years ago when I was going through it all.

[Gunny376]

I want to thank you gunny for the tips. I have been hearing the same from everyone around me including her family, but to have that from a unbiased and unknowing party really makes it sound "right".

 

as far as buying the food, she is going to have the kids half of the time and if the were to go without food and I was able to remedy that would make me feel worthless.

 

this may sound dumb, but I have gone 3 hours without talking to her and I'm dying because she is sick to her stomach from stress and fear and that in trun makes me feel the same. I do as well know that me xalling her all the time will make me less appealing then I already am.

 

I am trying to not let her see me break down, but when my 3 yr old asked why I wasn't staying with them, I couldn't help it.

 

again thank you all and the creators of this site for the support and friendliness that is provided and please keep the advice, similar situations and friendliness coming.

 

Its over the counter, expensive, but it works, take it in sips, little sips. Its non-prescription but will help with the vomitaing (Man do I know about this ~ and its nothing but coming from nerves, anxiety, not eating)

 

Emetrol

 

Good stuff!

[Gunny376]

and be a Man. Not a hard~ass! Not a bad-ass! But the kind of man that can accept what life throws at him. Forget "Friends: Forget Hollyweird!

 

My most liberating momet was the day I understood, "Frankly, my Dear, I don't give a damn !"

[Weemoney]

I want to make this work more then anything in the world. I understand that everything I do is critical to that, just not sure of what to do or anything for that matter.

I sent hefr the flowers earlier today and that put a smile on her face and she gave me a hug. that makes me feel pretty damn good about the situation, but now amd gonna try to man up and let her be. it is the hardest thing I can remember doing but if it will help in aiding my situation then I'm gonna do it. I understand that there are others, but I am happy with what I have. its only barely 72 hours in, so I know I need to just chill and start doin my thing which I am going to do.

 

I am just curious what you guys think about how long I should go before tryying to make contact.

[ilmw]

Hi Weemoney,

 

I can honestly say I know what you are going through.

 

I have been following the advise from those who have taken the time to respond to my posts. The post from Gunny re: Michele Weiner-Davis is on the right on the money! I have been trying to follow this....as best I can. Over time it becomes easier....(but it always hurts)

 

If your marriage is worth fighting for....then get stuck in and just do it....(stolen quote...hehehe)

 

I have children too...and they are one of my pillars of strength.

 

I am still in the AAAAAhhhhhh! stage myself so I will not attempt to offer anymore than the above.....

 

Keep posting because it helps....and it is great to know complete strangers care enough about complete strangers to give their support....this board is a real life line.

 

Take care mate and keep your chin up....( as high as you can get it)

 

ilmv

[CryingCanuck]

You're darned tootin that LJ rocks,

I think she may have missed her calling to be honest,

I think she would have been a great DR. Jane on TV or simply a real good MC.

[Gunny376]

I want to thank you gunny for the tips. I have been hearing the same from everyone around me including her family, but to have that from a unbiased and unknowing party really makes it sound "right".

 

as far as buying the food, she is going to have the kids half of the time and if the were to go without food and I was able to remedy that would make me feel worthless.

 

this may sound dumb, but I have gone 3 hours without talking to her and I'm dying because she is sick to her stomach from stress and fear and that in trun makes me feel the same. I do as well know that me xalling her all the time will make me less appealing then I already am.

 

I am trying to not let her see me break down, but when my 3 yr old asked why I wasn't staying with them, I couldn't help it.

 

again thank you all and the creators of this site for the support and friendliness that is provided and please keep the advice, similar situations and friendliness coming.

 

Hopeless? I wouldn't sound "Abandon Ship!" and head for the life boats just yet! But, you've got to get your head together ~ your s*** together. You've got to re-align your priorties.

 

I've alluded to seduction being like sales ~ and it is ~ and the product that yor selling is yourself. I've already given you a short lesson in selling ~ and in time you get tripped up in the process ~ start back where you've screwed up. You've already got the "meet and greet" and it looks like you need to go back to "qualifying" ~ what she's looking for. And, what you've been offering since you've been married to her ~ isn't what she's looking for (i.e. a video game addict)

 

You've got to get her re-interested in the prdouct your selling ~ you. And, you've got to do that without any of the props ~ flowers, candy, gifts ~ (that's what you do after you've closed the deal ~ to keep her interested ~ not before you close the deal ~ and it sounds like you might be danger-close to that)

 

What you've got to do ~ is put yourself out there, "feature and benefit" yourself that your a "catch" and desirable and valuable product ~ that has something to offer ~ that other's don't. That others want and desire ~ (that's not to say go out and find another woman ~ in other words Self Assurance - Confidence, confidence, and even more confidence ~ let go of your fear)

 

People act out two basic emotions ~ fear and desire. You've got to take those two and make them work for you, instead of against you. When you're up in the s*** of combat ~ there are two types ~ those that are scared, and those that are lying saying they're not scared. And, you're very much motivated by the desire to stay your ass alive and keep all of the body parts you were born with. The only thing you can do ~ is to take that desire and fear and "flip it" and make it work for you, and move you toward action. Because if you don't your sorry ass is going to be dead on arrival.

 

People want what the can't have. They value and treasure what is precious. Dude, X-Box addicts are a dime a dozen! Three dozen for a quarter. You've got to build value in yourself. You've got get a grip on, and control your emotions. She's got to see that your a valuable commodity ~ and not thorugh flowers, gifts, etc. That's just garnish.

(Garnish - the parsley that no one eats ~ put on a plate to make the food look more appetizing)

[Weemoney]

That was the decision I made last night. I am not going to call her anymore. I will still send her a text on the nights she has the kids to make sure that she tells them I love them and goodnight, but am not going to give her any anchor on my feelings.

 

I know that she still loves me and feel that she is in love with me and she just doesnt know it anymore as we both have kind of taken it for granted. For the video games which was not an xbox, a pc which is kind of an essential in my household, i.e. bills and what not, has been canceled and will be removed from my hard drive in the next few days.

 

I still have not called or texted her, oh man, im twitching from that, but will keep my ground and not. I just pray that I will here some kind of life from her end even if its just a dont call me anymore, although I wont be the one calling her .

 

 

I am still concerned what is going to happen when she does run out of the food that I provided her and am afraid that if she does come back to me it will be just because she has no other choice as she does not have a job and when she gets one it wont pay enough for her to take care of herself and her kids.

 

She made the comment to her mother and I the other day that maybe I should just take the kids indefinately as she cannot provide for them, that pretty much killed me and I told her that I would help her anyway I can untill she gets a job. Im hoping she was just saying that irrationaly in the heat of the moment that reality started to settle in.

 

Thank you again for keeping the posts coming, this is helping alot.

[Weemoney]

Well, she just called me right now. I did not initiate anything and just answered her questions with a yeah or no. She advised me that she is still sick to her stomach and I heart wrenchingly replied with "Im sorry", although I wanted to comfort her more. She did however finish the call with I LOVE YOU!!!! I am shaking, but happy, that is the first time she has instigated the I love you since this started.

[CryingCanuck]

Not sure if you read my thread, but the I love you means sqat, honestly, sometimes it's because you're being distant, and as soon as you show any kindness, it bites you on the ass. That's my feelings, I have teeth marks all over my butt......................

[Weemoney]

I understand that the I love you may not mean squat, but is sort of a reserve for me and does make me feel a little better. As far as being kind, I am being civil, but not melting on her or anything like that.

[Gunny376]

There's what works, and then there's what doesn't work.

 

Guys that go out and try to direct sell themselves to women ~ doing things the "traditional" method or all over the place. Guys are always hitting on women for all the days of their life.

 

You come along ~ and you got this snappy pick up line trying to get her interested in you. Trying to get her phone number, etc ad nausem. Guess what you're about the 26,356 guy of the day.

 

Simple economics. Quality = Scaricity = Value = Demand.

 

When I got deployed to Homestead, Flordia for Hurricane Andrew relief, the then GF ~ like to lost her mind? Why? Because basically the local newspaper ran an article that might as well have been headlined ~ "The Marines Have Landed ~ And Is Screwing Every Woman In Sight"

 

They didn't say that about the Army, nor Air Force, nor the Navy. Just the Marines, and there was only 600 of us ~ but the women were crazy about us! Why? By definition ~ Marines are some of the most self assured, cocky, arrogant SOB's that ever walked the Earth. There's not a whole lot that we don't think we can't handle. In short ~ we tend to be full of it ~ and just don't give a damn.

 

That was one part of it ~ the other part of it is that Homestead is where the Commissiors of Dade County decided to put public housing (away from Miami) and thus the "Hood" We came into town ~ and the local women were so use to the thugs, that ran in gangs, didn't or couldn't hold down jobs, didn't keep themselves in shape, layed around and smoked dope and dranked all day.

 

We hit town, and suddenly the "value" and "quality" of "man-flesh" just went up. I had women giveing me phone numbers, letters, cards, and such. They were trying to "sell" me, and the rest of my Marines.

 

My marriage broke up when I took the ex-wife to Okinawa, Japan where there's a scarictiy of American Women ~ but about 50,000 horny, desperately lonely American buff in shape American (mostly Marines). My value went down. My ex-wife thought she was the s***. She was 35 and had 22 year old hustling there best game on here. I didn't have a chance. I was out of the race. In her mind ~ she had blossumed ~ and it was raining men.

 

Go to somewhere like the Phillippines ~ be an American male of ANY age, and you will have 20~something women fighting over you.

 

Its all about "preeceived" value. A good salesperson can make an Escort sound as though its as good as a Lexus ~ if not better. A good salesman doesn't have problems getting a girlfriend.

 

Ignore the "ghost talk" Build "value" in yourself. The way that you do that is to project confidence ~ even if you don't feel confident.

 

Your wanting to re-act out of fear. Fear of losing her for good, fear for your children, fear that you'll never find what you have with or had with her, fear that you want find anyone? Fear that you're going to end up being alone. Fear of your ability to go out and find somene else if she does walk on you.

 

Look ~ you can't lose something that you've never had. You can't lose something that you've already lost. It takes two to make it ~ one to break it. If the other party doesn't want the deal ~ you've got no deal! Just that plain and that simple.

 

And, ultimately when all is said and done, all it means and comes down to is that you've got to get off your dead ass, and get busy getting busy finding someone else who appreciates you for being the person that you are, as you are. The person that sees you as a diamond and not a chunk of coal.

 

You show me any man or woman ~ and I'll show you at least one other person who's tired of putting up with their s*** and scrogging them ~ if not more than one.

 

Love ~ is self-impossed dilussion that one person has something the other 6 billion people on the planet don't have.

 

Its like I told my last long-term GF of six and half years, when she dumped me (she didn't breakup with me ~ she dumped my ass)

 

"Damn the bad luck! I guess I'm going to have to go find some new pu**y!"

 

Its all about attitude ~ Dude! Attitude is 99% of it! Its all about how you look at it! Its all about how you preceive it.

 

Its not what happens to you ~ its WTF are you going to do about it?

 

And, you're going to run into a lot of s*** in life ~ where's their nothing you can do about it, accept it, pick yourself up out of the mud, blood, and spilt beer ~ Man Up ~ and move on!

 

If this the worse that ever happens to you in life ~ you're way ahead of the other billions of pepple on the planet ~ and you're alrady way ahead of them just having been born where you're at, at this time in the history of the World.

[Gunny376]

Well, she just called me right now. I did not initiate anything and just answered her questions with a yeah or no. She advised me that she is still sick to her stomach and I heart wrenchingly replied with "Im sorry", although I wanted to comfort her more. She did however finish the call with I LOVE YOU!!!! I am shaking, but happy, that is the first time she has instigated the I love you since this started.

 

Be a rock man, be a rock of strength!

[Gunny376]

Well, she just called me right now. I did not initiate anything and just answered her questions with a yeah or no. She advised me that she is still sick to her stomach and I heart wrenchingly replied with "Im sorry", although I wanted to comfort her more. She did however finish the call with I LOVE YOU!!!! I am shaking, but happy, that is the first time she has instigated the I love you since this started.

 

I hope the f**k you didn't get wussy on me!

 

Its like this ~

 

Me? I know what I'm bringing to the party (damn near everything ~ and I'm not just talking about money, finacial, material things ~ I've studied for years about seduction, romance, women etc - and still am)

 

Alot of women ~ think they were born with everything that they need to get through this life with. More than a few women ~ think that all they've got to bring to the party is sex. Women have this attitude of "I've got the supply of sex ~ you're the one that's got the demand, show me what you've got to offer that all the other billions of men don't have. Forget that! What have you got to offer me? What are you bringig to the party ~ besides yourself?

 

Dude~! There's no shortage of women! There is no scaricity. There is a scaricity of good men ~ that have their s*** together and the skill set necessary to rock their world in (5% of the total game) and out of the bedroom!

[Billy Bob]

Dude~! There's no shortage of women! There is no scaricity. There is a scaricity of good men ~ that have their s*** together and the skill set necessary to rock their world in (5% of the total game) and out of the bedroom!

 

So true Gunny, so true!

[Weemoney]

I do crumble when ever I hear her voice and want to be there to help her but know that will make me just the same guy that she doesnt want, the one that is there for her. I did speak with her friend who she is staying with and she told me that my wife just keeps saying that she is making a mistake and she loves me.

 

I will have to make contact with her tonight as she does have my kids and I would like to see them to say goodnight and I love them, but am confused as to what to do with her. Should I make eye contact, should I try to talk to her or should I go in do the kid thing and then walk out without talking to her?

[Gunny376]

Go in grinning like a mule eating briars ~ up-beat mood ~ like you just one the lottery, a little cocky, confident, tease her and her friend a little bit ~ keep it short and sweet ~ nothing heavy. Make sure you emphasis that you've got to go ~ because your busy ~ don't even refereance anything about the relationship

 

The conversation when you leave will be:

 

What's he so up-beat about? Why isn't he crying his damn eyes out? Why isn't he thinking about me? What is he doing ,....................and who is he doing it with?

[Gunny376]

Always build value added +.

 

You want to project that "this model" will only be on the market for a short time? You don't want it? Not a problem! There are plenty others that do!