Candied-Heart Posted June 14, 2006 Posted June 14, 2006 - Have you ever been to a clairvoyant? Or has one 'approached' you in a normal social situation? [not talking about people trying to sell their ability to you, just a random person who claimed to see the future etc] - Did their information seem freakishly appropriate to your life or too general to know? - Have you watched their 'predictions' fall into place re: your life after a period of time? I'm unsure as to whether I buy into it or not, has anyone had any experiences that made you second guess whether these people really do have such an ability?
Spank'n'Rationality Posted June 14, 2006 Posted June 14, 2006 ...once when I worked at a video store, this woman who had never come in before, came up to me and started staring into my eyes (I make eye contact with people, so this was quite a long time). So, after a few minutes, the woman says, "You have extremely old eyes." So, I think, "Lord, I am 19 (at the time) and have crow's feet, or something?" Then she proceeds to say, "Your soul is the oldest I have seen, I wonder why you keep coming back." And, extremely confused, I went to ask her what the heck she was talking about (because I didn't believe in reincarnation at the time), and before I could say a word, she said, "I hope you find what you are looking for this time around" and left. It was the craziest thing; she neither spoke, nor looked at anyone else, though I wasn't even the one who checked her out. It was crazy, but insightful. I understand now why I perfer antique furnature, older people, and act like an old woman myself .
Admiral Thrawn Posted June 14, 2006 Posted June 14, 2006 There are two kingdoms. The Kingdom of Light and the Kingdom of Darkness. A Clairvoyant falls in the Kingdom of Darkness because their powers come from familiar spirits and the evil spirit world, therefore it falls into the occult. The information they will give you will never leave you closer to God, but is designed to enslave you further or lessen the quality of life than if you never listened to them. Anyone who claims to be a Clairvoyant, is someone to stay away from because things may nosedive in your life after you meet them as the spirit's around them latch on to you and bog you down.
jerbear Posted June 14, 2006 Posted June 14, 2006 My parents did that for me, unbeknownest to me One said I would marry at most twice and late. An ex will come back to test the relationship, not an ex-wife; but old friend/flame/lover/finace. Saying the marriage to either one would be very strong. In regards to money & fame, not nouvue riche. I'll do much better than my parents and my kids will by far exceed me and my parents dreams. The other said I would be in an issue that would change my life around 30. Also the same thing about potential 2 marriages; marry later than my parents. In regards to life, depends on a few cloudy things; never have to worry about anything related to money. Another said I'll be fine, easier carefree life compared to my parents; life longer than them have have at most 3 to 4 kids. Who knows it has yet to happen.
Ladywithafan Posted June 14, 2006 Posted June 14, 2006 - Have you ever been to a clairvoyant? Or has one 'approached' you in a normal social situation? [not talking about people trying to sell their ability to you, just a random person who claimed to see the future etc] - Did their information seem freakishly appropriate to your life or too general to know? - Have you watched their 'predictions' fall into place re: your life after a period of time? I'm unsure as to whether I buy into it or not, has anyone had any experiences that made you second guess whether these people really do have such an ability? I went and had 3 cards read in Jackson Square in New Orleans. I did not wear anything extravagant nor did I wear any jewelry. The man said I had three questions to think about & he proceeded to answer them without me even saying what the questions were. It was uncanny & everything he told me was true.
Tim'sAngel Posted June 14, 2006 Posted June 14, 2006 See all that stuff to me must sounds so general. People are making a killing of "reading" someone's future. I call it fraud
a4a Posted June 14, 2006 Posted June 14, 2006 There are two kingdoms. The Kingdom of Light and the Kingdom of Darkness. A Clairvoyant falls in the Kingdom of Darkness because their powers come from familiar spirits and the evil spirit world, therefore it falls into the occult. The information they will give you will never leave you closer to God, but is designed to enslave you further or lessen the quality of life than if you never listened to them. Anyone who claims to be a Clairvoyant, is someone to stay away from because things may nosedive in your life after you meet them as the spirit's around them latch on to you and bog you down. sheesh is this a horror movie plot or what? My friend and X roomie was a clairvoyant...... sure was, made a pretty good living on the phone telling people nonsense. She would say she can tell the future; she would tell me: at some point today you will feel the need to pee......... :lmao: I often pull the prank of being psychic with new people I meet.... fishing for info is very easy and just knowing a little bit about them it is quite easy to pull off. I once had one hired for the bar on Halloween..... she gave me a freebie and told me family was very important to me or would be....... well she was sure right about that It is important to me that I do not have one!
HokeyReligions Posted June 14, 2006 Posted June 14, 2006 A friend of a friend of ours did that for a while. He also read Tarot, but made money predicting people's futures by telling them of their past. He told me how he did it and shared some of the methods and 'scripts' they use. It was fascinating and some people are better at it than others - just like some people can act and others can't. Being able to immediately recognize a personality profile and getting some basic information about the individual's cultural and beliefs is all they need. It can be as basic as finding out how long someone was married, or if they like cats. From that the 'clarivoyant' can determine which method and script to work from. It's all nonsense - but very entertaining. I had someone 'tell my fortune' at a club once by choosing several crystals from their collection. My tastes in shapes, sizes and colors gave them the clue as to what to say and how to say it. They also pay attention to body language and attitudes of the person and the people who are with them (if any).
Author Candied-Heart Posted June 15, 2006 Author Posted June 15, 2006 Yeah I'm more talking about people who don't get paid for it. They do it because they "feel" you need it. They're not out to rip you off. They don't tell you your 'future' [marriage, kids, house] more the next year, immediate future. They don't read cards, they have messages from what is called your spirit guide. So it tends to be more about you and the things you don't tell others. That's why it was so amazing to me. It came out of nowhere and was spot on, especially career and love wise.
the_alchemyst Posted June 15, 2006 Posted June 15, 2006 I can read the Tarot. I'm not going to say that it's a "gift," though, as it was something that took me a while to learn. I just learned how to read them, just like anyone can. Of course some will be better than others, but doesn't that hold true for everything? When I'm reading the Tarot for someone, I can usually "see" things. I don't mean things as in I-can-see-their-entire-future things, but I can see more than what is shown on the cards. My guess is that this is an "ability" that is gained through time and practice. Also, when I read the Tarot, the other person must place their hand on the deck, close their eyes, and think of what they want to know/their question. Once they are done, I place mine on it and ask for help so that I may be able to answer their question. I then proceed to spread the cards and read from them whatever I can; I just tell them what I see with them. I don't ever ask anyone to ask me their questions because I believe that if they do, I will immediately form an opinion which will influence what I say, and that is not the point at all. The (real) reader should never have a personal say on the situation; that's what friends are for. I also never ask for money because wtf for, you know? I'm just happy if I am able to answer their questions, even if a little bit. Thankfully, I have been pretty accurate on a lot of occassions, though, so that makes me happy. Oh, but the catch is--I can't read for myself. EDIT: And yes, I have been to psychics before, all of whom have charged money for their services, except a personal friend of mine. I have only encountered two who have been right: One accurately described what I was going through without asking me about anything (and I also have a rather dull face, do you can't really tell what I'm feeling, not that I'm sure that's much of a good thing). Another one has accurately predicted two events and their time frames, as well as which universities I would get into and which I wouldn't. Soo . . . yeah, they're for real, but not all of 'em, my friend.
typical Posted June 15, 2006 Posted June 15, 2006 There are two kingdoms. The Kingdom of Light and the Kingdom of Darkness. How do you know? A Clairvoyant falls in the Kingdom of Darkness because their powers come from familiar spirits and the evil spirit world, therefore it falls into the occult. So, I take it you have been there? The information they will give you will never leave you closer to God, but is designed to enslave you further or lessen the quality of life than if you never listened to them Did God tell you this personally? Anyone who claims to be a Clairvoyant, is someone to stay away from because things may nosedive in your life after you meet them as the spirit's around them latch on to you and bog you down. Those pesky spirits! I read Tarot as well.....never for money, only to help others gain insight. I have been chillingly accurate. The one thing that eludes me as well, is being unable to read for myself, and I dont know why I cant do that. I usually do a 15 card Celtic spread but I dont go past the first year because I think that the results are less clear, and I dont want my reading to influence the other persons natural course in life. sheesh is this a horror movie plot or what? :lmao: I am sorry, but I happen to believe in God...God personally didnt tell me to stop reading Tarot cards, so therefore I think I am okay. If it can be rationalized the other way (kingdom of darkness) Then why cant it be rationalized as God speaking through the cards??? I have had way too many occurances in my life to count, and I see no reason to discount anything just because the information was not coming directly from God himself. If God tells me personally that me reading Tarot, or any other form of what could loosely be termed as "witchcraft" is wicked and wrong and I will be sent to the eternal fires of hell and damnation if I dont cease immediately, I will then ask him to tell me why and then I will stop. Thats not to say that I wouldnt stop immediately if God asked me personally, but I would be curious as to why.
Admiral Thrawn Posted June 15, 2006 Posted June 15, 2006 Those pesky spirits! Our mutual enemy. I am sorry, but I happen to believe in God...God personally didnt tell me to stop reading Tarot cards, so therefore I think I am okay. If it can be rationalized the other way (kingdom of darkness) Then why cant it be rationalized as God speaking through the cards??? You believe that God speaks through the Bible, don't you? The Bible calls this 'divination'. It's not an ability you have, it's a connection you have with a 'famaliar spirit'. The Tarrot cards are like staring into a candle or something to fix your spirit so you can communicate or listen to the 'familiar spirit'. That's why it's classified as occultic. I have had way too many occurances in my life to count, and I see no reason to discount anything just because the information was not coming directly from God himself. Even if it is from a bad spirit? If God tells me personally that me reading Tarot, or any other form of what could loosely be termed as "witchcraft" is wicked and wrong and I will be sent to the eternal fires of hell and damnation if I dont cease immediately, I will then ask him to tell me why and then I will stop. Thats not to say that I wouldnt stop immediately if God asked me personally, but I would be curious as to why. Alright, the Bible says that what you are doing is divination and familar spirits - your prophecies are not 100% accurate all the time and you know it, God can never fail as His prophecies will always be 100% accurate because He knows future events as He is God and is detached from the space-time continuum that we are limited to. The spirit's on the other hand, can only make intelligent calculatoins, and since they have been around like over 6000 years, they are very intelligent and can make stunning predictions because we are predictable species - but they are evil. Now, I hijacked what I'm supposed to say, but just wanted to demonstrate I'm not a total idiot - I'm schooled by Rebecca Brown, MD's books 'Prepare for War', "He Came to Set the Captives Free", and "Vessel of Honour" who teaches all of this. Again - the point is not creating a new Harry Potter book here - but what I mean to say is this distraction may not be healthy for your spiritual life with God. You have to call upon Jesus, and ask Him what HIs will is for your life. Love the Lord with all your heart, soul and mind -- it's all about a relationship with Christ. Jesus died for your sin and He rose from the dead. That is what is important.
typical Posted June 15, 2006 Posted June 15, 2006 *sigh* So Admiral..... Give me your opinion on ESP, psychics, ghosts, and everything in between... Explain to me how these anomalies of nature came about? There are some cases which are proven BEYOND A RESONABLE DOUBT. Explain these cases. Explain how a 7 year old child who has had no teaching or training able to paint a Monet flawlessly? Explain how a 10 year old graduated from college as a doctor, when his parents were poor uneducated farmers? Explain all these other glitches in nature, please...just curious what your take on all of this is....
typical Posted June 15, 2006 Posted June 15, 2006 You believe that God speaks through the Bible, don't you? The Bible calls this 'divination'. Yes, I do. I do believe God speaks through the Bible. I also believe he speaks through other devices as well, like Tarot. The bible wasnt written by God. It was written by people at a time when religion was a touchy subject and wars were being fought over it. Therefore, the power to sway the general public was as great as the need to do it. The unsuspecting minds were moist, and ready for implantation...they were seeking guidance and if I am not mistaken, a majority were actually forced into believing in a certain religion or suffer the consequences of an untimely death. I am sure if God thinks I am doing bad, he will discuss this with me.
a4a Posted June 15, 2006 Posted June 15, 2006 *sigh* So Admiral..... Give me your opinion on ESP, psychics, ghosts, and everything in between... Explain to me how these anomalies of nature came about? There are some cases which are proven BEYOND A RESONABLE DOUBT. Explain these cases. Explain how a 7 year old child who has had no teaching or training able to paint a Monet flawlessly? Explain how a 10 year old graduated from college as a doctor, when his parents were poor uneducated farmers? Explain all these other glitches in nature, please...just curious what your take on all of this is.... IT IS THE DEVILS WORK!!! All heads should be checked for the 666 mark immediatley!
Admiral Thrawn Posted June 15, 2006 Posted June 15, 2006 Yes, I do. I do believe God speaks through the Bible. I also believe he speaks through other devices as well, like Tarot. The bible wasnt written by God. God does not contradict Himself. Anyway, the Bible says that a true prophet never makes a mistake. That sounds like sound common sence to base a logical arguement rather than hocus pocus. If someone has made a mistake in a prophecy, then the source is not of God because God can not make a mistake - He is perfect. Do you understand what I am saying? It was written by people at a time when religion was a touchy subject and wars were being fought over it. It has a very long history. The point of the Bible is to show that humanity is lost and needs a Saviour, who is Christ Jesus, the Bible reveals who Jesus Christ is. Therefore, the power to sway the general public was as great as the need to do it. The unsuspecting minds were moist, and ready for implantation...they were seeking guidance and if I am not mistaken, a majority were actually forced into believing in a certain religion or suffer the consequences of an untimely death. I do not understand what you are talking about, but it sounds like you are confusing two independent themes. We are going back 6000 years BC to the current age as based on the compilation of what is known as the word of God. There is no political or religious force on it other than revealing who God is, and Jesus Christ - and being saved or born-again through Jesus Christ. I am sure if God thinks I am doing bad, he will discuss this with me. If you are open minded and want to listen, than I have already discussed that this activity is not right. The real problem is not the activity, it is the state of your heart towards God, are you right with God? Do you know Jesus Christ? ARe you saved? Those are the questions you have to ask yourself and seek God out for the answers. Anyway, I'm going to close this discussion because I have an INTERNET ATTENTION ADDICTION (IAA) problem where I'm going to end up soaking allot of time on arguements such as these, and it's likely that you are not going to be considering my views any further turning this into a lose-lose scenerio. If you want to look up further in this, you can look at search engines, enter some key words I said, to read perspectives that are critical to what you are doing or support what I have said.
typical Posted June 15, 2006 Posted June 15, 2006 Anyway, I'm going to close this discussion because I have an INTERNET ATTENTION ADDICTION (IAA) problem where I'm going to end up soaking allot of time on arguements such as these, and it's likely that you are not going to be considering my views any further turning this into a lose-lose scenerio. ahhh, so its a power-control thing with you. Heat is on, time to shut it down...fine........whatever, god forbid you should soak up a lot of time concerning an important subject...whatever, who is still with me on this, so I can get some things settled within my mind?
KittenMoon Posted June 15, 2006 Posted June 15, 2006 The one thing that eludes me as well, is being unable to read for myself, and I dont know why I cant do that. I usually do a 15 card Celtic spread but I dont go past the first year because I think that the results are less clear, and I dont want my reading to influence the other persons natural course in life. I also read tarot. I can't really read for myself either, typical. I hear it's common you can't do readings for yourself. Someone once told me she knew someone who could, but only with a special deck she had (handmade I think?)
Admiral Thrawn Posted June 15, 2006 Posted June 15, 2006 ahhh, so its a power-control thing with you. Heat is on, time to shut it down...fine........whatever, god forbid you should soak up a lot of time concerning an important subject...whatever, who is still with me on this, so I can get some things settled within my mind? Important eh? Ok, this subject is not listed on the banns of internet use anyway - which are dealing with other emotional types of subjects that take lots of time - so that would be a loophole. Very well, appeal granted. I'm back on. But I will say, that if God were to tell you what you are doing is wrong, you wouldn't listen to Him, because you want to do what you want, not what God wants. The mind is a funny thing, if you want to do something badly enough, your mind will interpret God assenting to what you are doing, or the spirits will deceive you and you will believe it. The reason you are not settled is because God may be convicting you and telling you what you are doing is wrong.
the_alchemyst Posted June 16, 2006 Posted June 16, 2006 Admiral: Sorry but you don't know what the hell you're talking about. All that you are doing is regurgitating what religious zealots say: and keep in mind they don't know what they're talking about, either. I suggest you do some research on the Tarot yourself AND on the occult--you'll see how wrong you are. Maybe the reason one is not able to read for oneself is because the Tarot really is all about locking the subconscious, and one you already have biased opinions/thoughts on the subject (like you do when it has to do about yourself), your ability becomes impaired. If anything, you will end up reading what you want, and not what really is there. In my case, whenever I try to read for myself, I always get a really garbled message that is always mocking. Eh, well.
jerbear Posted June 16, 2006 Posted June 16, 2006 Some reasons why some are not able to read oneself: From movies (great source ) friends, and some clairvoyants: Self profitPart of deal in the opening of celestrial eyeCan't read one's line, aura, aural planeDestiny is somewhat predetermined
Lollie72 Posted June 16, 2006 Posted June 16, 2006 Please do not pretend otherwise to make yourself feel less afraid of the unknown. - Have you ever been to a clairvoyant? Or has one 'approached' you in a normal social situation? [not talking about people trying to sell their ability to you, just a random person who claimed to see the future etc] - Did their information seem freakishly appropriate to your life or too general to know? - Have you watched their 'predictions' fall into place re: your life after a period of time? I'm unsure as to whether I buy into it or not, has anyone had any experiences that made you second guess whether these people really do have such an ability?
Lollie72 Posted June 16, 2006 Posted June 16, 2006 I ching also works well. Admiral: Sorry but you don't know what the hell you're talking about. All that you are doing is regurgitating what religious zealots say: and keep in mind they don't know what they're talking about, either. I suggest you do some research on the Tarot yourself AND on the occult--you'll see how wrong you are. Maybe the reason one is not able to read for oneself is because the Tarot really is all about locking the subconscious, and one you already have biased opinions/thoughts on the subject (like you do when it has to do about yourself), your ability becomes impaired. If anything, you will end up reading what you want, and not what really is there. In my case, whenever I try to read for myself, I always get a really garbled message that is always mocking. Eh, well.
Admiral Thrawn Posted June 16, 2006 Posted June 16, 2006 Admiral: Sorry but you don't know what the hell you're talking about. All that you are doing is regurgitating what religious zealots say: and keep in mind they don't know what they're talking about, either. You know what, neither you or Typical, or any clarievoyant can claim that ALL prophecies made were fulfilled. So far, I'm using 'common sence', not religious zealotry. Common sence dictates, if you are a prophet, then prophecies have to come true all the time without fail.
the_alchemyst Posted June 17, 2006 Posted June 17, 2006 Right. That's why all biblical prophecies which are already past due have manifested, right? Uh huh. And I never said I was a clairvoyant: do not label me, sir. I can read the Tarot because I taught myself--clairvoyants have natural inate gifts that I simply do not.
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