KnowHowLoveFeels Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 See what kind of thread this has become?? Me thinks nice begets nice... a**h***s begets bitches.
Author Vertex Posted June 5, 2006 Author Posted June 5, 2006 But sometimes it is hard to tell if the person you're after is ultimately attracted to a**h***s or not. My ex was someone I initially felt to be very mature and intelligent but in the end became someone I saw as materialistic, fake, and immature. Too hard to tell!
alphamale Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 Jerks get the woman that are ditzy, clueless, lacking self-esteem. Not true RIDDLER....masculine men (or jerks as you call them) get the best women. The ones who have everything, looks, personality, smarts, education, fake titties... Basically, women of ALL TYPES are attracted to masculine men just like men of ALL TYPES are attracted to feminine women.
Pyro Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 Not true RIDDLER....masculine men (or jerks as you call them) get the best women. The ones who have everything, looks, personality, smarts, education, fake titties... Basically, women of ALL TYPES are attracted to masculine men just like men of ALL TYPES are attracted to feminine women. If the woman was smart and educated, she would not put up with the jerk and his childish games.Again, being masculine and being a jerk are different.
kitten chick Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 This is something I never quite got. I have dated jerks but none of them are what I would consider to be masculine. I've never gone for the "masculine" guys, I can't relate to them intellectually.
Sevenmack Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 But I don't know if it's poor choice on my part or immaturity on their part. It's a bit of both. Actually more on your part than on theirs. The users are what they are; someone ought to take them over a lap and spank them mercilessly,. But that should have happened when they were younger. This is an issue of parenting. Again, they are wrong for what they do. Their existence, however, can't be helped. But whose fault is it for letting them use you? This is where your choices and your manhood come in. You know what kind of women are the users. You've dated them before, you've been hurt by them before. All it takes is being aware of the kinds of traits within these women adnd avoid at all costs. Just because you're attracted to them doesn't mean you have to take it any further. But I do have to ask: How much is it that you actually thrive off the drama of being in relationships where you end up coming up on the short end of things? It does allow you to complain about how poorly some women you have chosen are treating you.
alphamale Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 Again, being masculine and being a jerk are different. Not really...most successful and powerful men got that way because they are aggressive and motivated and exude confidence no matter what. Many have huge egos. CEOs, physicans, lawyers, can all be jerks and masculine and nice at the same time. Women love them. Just cause you're a "jerk" does not mean you cannot be other things too. Some of the biggest a**h***s are also the biggest philanthropists.
Pyro Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 Not really...most successful and powerful men got that way because they are aggressive and motivated and exude confidence no matter what. Many have huge egos. CEOs, physicans, lawyers, can all be jerks and masculine and nice at the same time. Women love them. Just cause you're a "jerk" does not mean you cannot be other things too. Some of the biggest a**h***s are also the biggest philanthropists. Just because they are big shots and have a successful career does not mean that they do or have to treat woman like shyt. Its all about respect and a man is not masculine who has no respect for others.
alphamale Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 Its all about respect and a man is not masculine who has no respect for others. Hmmm....George W. seems to get a lot of respect even though he really has little or no respect for anyone. Why is that?
Touche Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 yeah...women with tits and puxxies.. Yeah and I guess we're all the same...sheesh! And by the way, you spoke of CEO's, physicians and lawyers..my H is one of those (not going to say which in the interest of privacy) and he doesn't have even a HINT of a**h*** in him. So there goes your theory!
kitten chick Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 Hmmm....George W. seems to get a lot of respect even though he really has little or no respect for anyone. Why is that? Who respects George W? Seriously your theories are getting wackier and wackier.
Touche Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 If the woman was smart and educated, she would not put up with the jerk and his childish games.Again, being masculine and being a jerk are different. Touche'! You got that right, Rid!
Pyro Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 Hmmm....George W. seems to get a lot of respect even though he really has little or no respect for anyone. Why is that? Bush's approval ratings keep dropping and dropping, so that holds no water for your BS, I mean theory.
Pyro Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 Who respects George W? Seriously your theories are getting wackier and wackier. I think that the monkey at the zoo who resembles Bush may still respect him, but I doubt it.
ronnieromance Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 So you are admitting to not being a real man? Jerks get the woman that are ditzy, clueless, lacking self-esteem. Real men get the self respecting and intelligent woman Both groups have there good looking and not so good looking, but I would rather go with the second choice. Ok, you went Way TF out on a branch with this one. And said branch broke. -R-
Woggle Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 Who respects George W? Seriously your theories are getting wackier and wackier. I hate Bush but he did get elected twice. This country is not as liberal as some would like to think.
noclobber Posted June 6, 2006 Posted June 6, 2006 Hmmm....George W. seems to get a lot of respect even though he really has little or no respect for anyone. Why is that? Alpha I think you are the first guy that feels George W. is a well respected person!
alphamale Posted June 6, 2006 Posted June 6, 2006 Alpha I think you are the first guy that feels George W. is a well respected person! REspected as the President...not for his policies. If the president was in the same room with you NO CLOBBER i'm sure you'd be respectful towards him even though you may not agree with his ideas...
IWalkAlone Posted June 6, 2006 Posted June 6, 2006 The "why do women pick nice guys over jerks" debate never gets resolved because it is too vague. For all intents & purposes, a "nice guy" is a guy who has trouble connecting with women for various reasons, and a "jerk" is a guy who is successful with women, who may or may not be an a**h***. By labling himself a "nice guy," and the OM a "jerk" the dateless guy has a logical sounding explanation that has some logic to it, and blames the women rather than himself. But the reality, as many women here point out, is that many "nice guys" are not so nice. Many self-labled "nice guys" are manipulative and passive agressive. Some harbor a lot of anger & resentment toward women. If a woman picks up hostility toward women from a man she is starting to date, it will often kill any romantic feelings she has for him. Let's not underestimate the importance of being attractive. I feel that contrary to popular wisdom, physical attractiveness is just as important to women as it is to men, and perhaps more so. Women who are slightly overweight or homely can get a lot of attention from men of they are outgoing and give off a sexual vibe. But men who are not what women expect physically can have a more difficult time, even when they have other things going for them. Women say that it's confidence, not looks, that draws them, but it is actually a guy who LOOKS confident, as opposed to someone who actually is. I used to know a guy who had no confidence at all, but had the rugged facial features of a cigarette ad model and a naturally muscular physique. Women came into the pizza place where we worked all the time asking for him. He didn't date much but that was because he was uncomfortable with women, and uncomfortable with the attention he got from them. OTOH, I've known men who, like me, are confident with their intellect, their careers and education, and their sexual abilities, but have trouble with women because their appearence and manner is considered "dorky." I've seen lots of examples of how if a guy has a athletic, hunky appearence, it really doesn't matter what his personality is like, he'll be able to attract women easliy. If it he is really look looking, he doesn't even have to have any money. Just look at those hot women who financially support good looking but sporadically employed men. But a man who is not very good looking or masuline has to have his personality really dailed in to be successful with women.
alphamale Posted June 6, 2006 Posted June 6, 2006 The "why do women pick nice guys over jerks" debate never gets resolved because it is too vague. a masculine man will always have tons of puxxy regardless of his other attributes. Non-masculine men will have trouble with women unless they can make up for it in other areas... Thats' basically what it comes down to IWA...
IWalkAlone Posted June 6, 2006 Posted June 6, 2006 First is choice: The reality is too many of these so-called nice guys are picking women whom aren't interested in making themselves sexually or emotionally available to them. Not that they aren't interested in sex or emotional attachment, but they aren't choosing these men for all kind of reasons, including an actual attraction to a**h***s. Yet the nice guys, as they call themselves, continue to pick one emotionally-and-sexually unavailable woman after another and complain (naturally) when things go awry. It comes down to choice. Stop choosing women who aren't going to make themselves sexually or emotionally available. It's not hard to spot them either. If you've had a kind of woman that has treated you in that 'nice guy' fashion (go out for a while, then dump you when someone more interesting comes along and so forth), then you know it when you see it. Stay away. Or the best way I can put it: Why are you chasing Angelina Jolies when Sarah Michelle Gellars are the ones who will actually have a real shot. I don't get it. I don't waste time with women who are obviously unavailable due to their having a strong relationship or show no interest in me. I pick women who I can talk with easily, have personality traits that click for me, and that seem to be interested in me. If they drop me after 1-3 dates for some other guy they know, it's not that they're sexually and emotionally unavailable, they're available to the other guy, but not to ME! If this happens occasionally, it's just the luck of the draw. If it is the rule, and not the exception, then there's something else going on. So what is it? If I'm picking the wrong ones, then who are the right ones? Women who I don't talk with easily, don't show persoanlity traits that click with me, or who don't seem interested in me???
IWalkAlone Posted June 6, 2006 Posted June 6, 2006 a masculine man will always have tons of puxxy regardless of his other attributes. Non-masculine men will have trouble with women unless they can make up for it in other areas... Thats' basically what it comes down to IWA... So the answer is a gym membership + steroids.
alphamale Posted June 6, 2006 Posted June 6, 2006 So the answer is a gym membership + steroids. no, you don't need muscles to be masculine. its a frame of mind. you need to be dominant and confident and assertive and not take any crap from women. you need to be the boss.
Mz. Pixie Posted June 6, 2006 Posted June 6, 2006 It comes down to choice. Stop choosing women who aren't going to make themselves sexually or emotionally available. It's not hard to spot them either. If you've had a kind of woman that has treated you in that 'nice guy' fashion (go out for a while, then dump you when someone more interesting comes along and so forth), then you know it when you see it. Stay away. Or the best way I can put it: Why are you chasing Angelina Jolies when Sarah Michelle Gellars are the ones who will actually have a real shot. BINGO!!! BINGO!!!!! BINGO!!!! This is a huge part of the problem and a great post Seven! I've dated model type guys before who are rich, smart and successful. The issue is, those kind of guys can have anyone they want. Now, I'm a great catch (or so I've been told) but if a guy was choosing between a attractive 38 year old single mom with two kids and say perhaps someone like Jessica Simpson??? Since I've matured I've gathered alot about what I want in a relationship and a man. I purposely picked men different from my exhusband when I started dating after I separated. Why? Because the type that my exhusband was- selfish and only concerned with himself- was not what I wanted/needed. My husband is handsome and to me he's as sexy as Brad Pitt. But in reality to someone else he is not as handsome as Brad Pitt. You need to focus on being honest with yourself- really take a look at what you have and what you offer- the total package. If you're the kind of guy that should be driving a Chevy- don't try to buy the Mercedes and get what you want out of it. I'm not saying settle for less than you deserve- but be realistic about your type and who your target area is. The reality is unless you're model attractive and loaded- the really model looking girls won't be beating down your door. The way the geek usually gets the girl is because he's got a load of dough (Donald Trump) or because they've known each other a LONG time (Bill Gates and his wife) and she sees his inner beauty (Howard Stern). It also doesn't hurt they are all loaded!! It really wasn't about you the reason she left- or that jerks get everything- it was about HER and what she wanted and you just didn't do for her what she needed. Doesn't mean you're a bad person, just means you two weren't meant to be together! A bad breakup is not the end of the world for you. There are lots of people who have had bad breaks and horrible things happen to them. That's just LIFE. It could be so much worse- and you would see that if you talked to the man who just lost the love of his life (22 years) and mother of his three sons to a brain tumor She was a example to everyone. Her visitation was yesterday and there were so many people it took two hours to get through the greeting line. Here is a saint of a woman, dead at 42 from a brain tumor. Those kids have lost their mom, he has lost his wife, and the community lost a great activist. Bad things happen to good people all the time, it's something that you have to face and get past.
IWalkAlone Posted June 6, 2006 Posted June 6, 2006 You need to focus on being honest with yourself- really take a look at what you have and what you offer- the total package. If you're the kind of guy that should be driving a Chevy- don't try to buy the Mercedes and get what you want out of it. I'm not saying settle for less than you deserve- but be realistic about your type and who your target area is. The reality is unless you're model attractive and loaded- the really model looking girls won't be beating down your door. Not necessarily. I know an model-type 27 year old who's boyfriend is a 22-year who works at a tire store - although he does use steroids to pump out his physique. So how do I identify my "target area"? I have a 4 year degree and a stable job. I'm physically fit but skinny, and I don't have the Brad Pitt or Gearge Clooney look. I usually don't go after model types. Usually they are women who are femiel versions of me: college educated, physically fit and medium attractiveness. People told me was "too picky" so a couple of years ago I lowered my standards to essentially anyone who owned a vagina and showed some interest. I did get more dates & sex that year, but it was mostly overweight single moms who were boring to hang out with, and one married women who was separated from her husband. This did not seem like an improvement to me, so it's back to the slim pickings of those who look like good LTR prosoects to me but are not in serious relationships. It really wasn't about you the reason she left- or that jerks get everything- it was about HER and what she wanted and you just didn't do for her what she needed. Doesn't mean you're a bad person, just means you two weren't meant to be together! This is fine when it's one person and you're 22, but when you're 32 and it's happened over and over this gets old.
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