Touche Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 Both hands were busy. I used my foot. I'm using my foot right now. Your talents amaze me.
Vertex Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 johan: Try using both hands and both feet... keeping them occupied. I'm typing with my nose.
johan Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 johan: Try using both hands and both feet... keeping them occupied. I'm typing with my nose. Whoa! I can't top that. That would require me to claim I use my nose for things besides smelling stuff (and typing).
Craig Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 Why should we care? Why? The Woggles and Wogglettes of this world walk amongst us but we can't tell who they are because they look very normal. So why should anyone care? It's simple and it has to do with the quality of life that everyone enjoys. If there are a bunch of people experiencing bad feelings, bad memories, bad whatever left over from their past experiences and that hinders them as humans then it affects us all in a negative way. They don't realize anywhere near their potential and in so failing do not make the contribution to this planet, our planet, that they might have otherwise done. With enough people showing the Woggles and Woggelettes of this world no compassion or understanding is it any wonder that we grow dysfunctional deviants in our society? Yep, we grow them. We, all of us, share responsibility for everyone else whether we admit to it or not. Either we are making a positive difference or we are making a negative impact on our world. There isn't any neutral ground. Positive or negative, what is your impact on the world? Consider, if you will the tremendous impact that adjusting Woggle's mother's attitude might have had on her sons life. He would not have dated bad women, he would have had a happier more fulfilling life and a decent if not good relationship with his mother. His ex would not be in jail for doing a drive by shooting on Woggles house and we the tax payers wouldn't have had to pay for the justice system to be involved because it wouldn't have happened. Oh s***, you mean that there would have been an extra $200,000+ in the tax coffers? Yes, that's what I mean and if you multiply it by all the Woggle(ettes) in the country and take only a 5% success rate we are talking about billions of dollars saved per year. Billions that could be used to fund better childcare, better health care, better roads, better infrastructure, better everything. You bet your children's future it affects us all. So maybe, just maybe, caring is in our best interest.
kitten chick Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 But Craig, what about the effect that the Woggles of the world have on women? To be honest, this may not be PC but I have always wondered what Woggle's role was in his exw's snapping. His female bashing is not so different from his mother's male bashing? And what of the person that knows they have a problem but refuses to seek? They just become part of problem, the dysfunctional part of our society that continues to grow.
Craig Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 But Craig, what about the effect that the Woggles of the world have on women? To be honest, this may not be PC but I have always wondered what Woggle's role was in his exw's snapping. His female bashing is not so different from his mother's male bashing? And what of the person that knows they have a problem but refuses to seek? They just become part of problem, the dysfunctional part of our society that continues to grow. Kitten chick, you are absolutely correct that the Woggles of the world do have an effect upon women (as well as some men.) Is it then a good thing to dismiss the Woggles as set in their ways and incapable of realizing they can adjust their attitudes, have a better life experience and in turn make a positive contribution to the world? Sometimes people are adamant in holding onto a clearly distorted world view because they think it benefits them in some way. The benefit may be an illusion but they hold onto it strongly and chose not to see that it is an illusion. Sometimes it's a matter of providing that person with the emotional tools and even emotional support for them to forge ahead against the misconceptions and distortions that bind them securely to their faulty beliefs. In what manner is it most efficient to achieve this change? Is it to call them names (not saying you did any of this), is it to ignore them, is it to make fun of them at their expense, or any of the other negative things we humans do to other humans that are different than us? Personally, I don't think so. Change can be difficult for even the most well adjusted person and it takes time. If we are to assist Woggle through his journey in life, hoping to see him achieve lasting satisfaction then IMHO it is going to take time. It may take years, we may fail in our attempts to have him see what we see but at least we will have been acting in a positive manner. Even if he resists our efforts to assist him we shouldn't give up on him. Many people resist change at first and then after a period of time are able to effect that change. Kitten chick I would rather have you be honest and true to yourself than PC. You wondered what Woggle's role might have been in his exw's snapping? May I assume that I could rephrase that to say, "what was Woggle's responsibility in the anti-social behavior of his exw?" The answer is none. Now before you say bulls*** allow me to explain. As adults we have a responsibility to each other NOT for each other, additionally we are responsible for our own actions. We have a brain and are expected to use it. I am not aware of any actions on Woggle's part that may have be of a provocative nature but lets say for the sake of argument that he provoked the s*** out of her. Does that give her license to seek vengeance against Woggle and act in defiance of the laws of this country? It does not. That's why she's in jail. She could have walked away but instead made a conscious decision to pick up a gun, make sure it was loaded, get in a car, check to see that she had enough gas in the tank, drive past Woggles house and fire a bullet through his window with callous disregard for whomever might have been inside Woggle's house. Woggle is no more to blame for the drive by shooting than any woman is to blame for being raped. Both are acts of aggression, are premeditated, involve multiple steps or escalations at which the aggressor could have stopped at any time but chose to continue. Answering a perceived wrong with violent behavior can never provide a satisfactory outcome for anyone. I hope I answered your question. Craig
amaysngrace Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 With enough people showing the Woggles and Woggelettes of this world no compassion or understanding is it any wonder that we grow dysfunctional deviants in our society? Yep, we grow them. We, all of us, share responsibility for everyone else whether we admit to it or not. Craig, I'm so confused by what you say. On the one hand you imply we are responsible for other's dysfunctions (complete and total strangers), and on the other you free Woggle of all responsibility in contributing to his exW's mental health. How can this be? Please explain your rationalization here because I'm completely confused by your thinking...thanks. Grace
Pyro Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 Everybody gets OLD. I mean, if they were the same age, eventually BOTH of them would hit their 50's together and he'd have a elephant skin penis and her pussy would be old too. AGE doesn't matter if two people are inlove. Again, two people who want to be together and are inlove - AGE doesn't matter. It's the feelings they bring out in eachother that count. Not saggy boobs, droopy penises and dried up pussies! Exactly. Tis better to be in love or be in and out of love, rather then sit there andd be bitter and badmouth everything that there is about love.
Author Woggle Posted June 5, 2006 Author Posted June 5, 2006 I did nothing to cause my ex wife to snap. She cheated because she felt trapped in the marriage so I set her free and she could not take it. I wasn't this hateful towards women until after my divorce. The Woggelettes of society are cheered on and are encouraged with a you go girl mentality while men like me are demonized as misogynists. Do you not think the Woggelettes have an effect on men? Until the Woggelettes of society are condemned as much as the Woggles I will continue to bat for my team.
Craig Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 Originally Posted by Craig With enough people showing the Woggles and Woggelettes of this world no compassion or understanding is it any wonder that we grow dysfunctional deviants in our society? Yep, we grow them. We, all of us, share responsibility for everyone else whether we admit to it or not. Craig, I'm so confused by what you say. On the one hand you imply we are responsible for other's dysfunctions (complete and total strangers), and on the other you free Woggle of all responsibility in contributing to his exW's mental health. How can this be? Please explain your rationalization here because I'm completely confused by your thinking...thanks. Grace Grace, thank you for your good question. My mistake for using the wrong terminology Grace, what I should have said is that "we share responsibility to (not for) everyone else whether we admit it or not." And yes to a certain degree we are responsible, through our inaction or worse our negative actions toward those people who could use some positive in their lives. I'm not saying that we are responsible in the same manner as we are towards a child but once again if we're not part of the solution we are part of the problem. Life is like riding a bicycle...you can only coast downhill. I don't think I ever freed Woggle of all responsibility in contributing to his exw's mental health. In fact I did say... Avoid setting yourself up for a fall. With the exception of perhaps your mother, take a look back at the bad stuff that happened to you at the hands of women. Were there signs you missed that you see now? Did you "participate" by way of passiveness in these violations of yourself? Could you have done something to prevent them from escalating? Woggle knows it and I know that he could have made sufficient contributions to his exw's mental state to quite possibly avoid the escalation of emotion in her that resulted in a drive by shooting. He chose not to become involved more than he was and paid the price. Sometimes assisting people does not create a positive emotion in them. Woggle could have called the police with the information he had prior to the shooting and there is a reasonable chance his exw would have been arrested for harassment and that might have prevented an escalation. Not a positive experience for Woggle's exw but a perhaps a lesson regarding the seriousness of her actions that might have prevented violence in the future. There are probably other things he could have done that I don't know about but he did play a role in the drive by shooting of his house through his inaction. This is why, in my posts, I regularly encourage people to call 911 at the first threat of violence. To help avoid an escalation and give the aggressor a wake up call. Do people take my advice all the time? No they don't and sometimes the situations do escalate, sometimes they don't but there is never any excuse to illegally and immorally threaten anyone.
Craig Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 I did nothing to cause my ex wife to snap. Woggle, the key words are "I did nothing." By doing nothing you did participate passively in your exW's snapping. You chose do do nothing when you had recordings of your exW threatening your life. Had you called the police, and I believe I encouraged you to do just that, there is a reasonable chance your exW would have been made aware of the seriousness of the path she was on and would not have shot up your house. So now, because of your inaction the rest of us tax payers have to pay an extra couple of hundred thousand to have the justice system deal with the escalated, far more serious situation just because you "did nothing to cause" your ex wife to snap. What did you do to cause your exW NOT to snap?
Author Woggle Posted June 5, 2006 Author Posted June 5, 2006 Woggle, the key words are "I did nothing." By doing nothing you did participate passively in your exW's snapping. You chose do do nothing when you had recordings of your exW threatening your life. Had you called the police, and I believe I encouraged you to do just that, there is a reasonable chance your exW would have been made aware of the seriousness of the path she was on and would not have shot up your house. So now, because of your inaction the rest of us tax payers have to pay an extra couple of hundred thousand to have the justice system deal with the escalated, far more serious situation just because you "did nothing to cause" your ex wife to snap. What did you do to cause your exW NOT to snap? I agree with you that I should have dealt with it much earlier but I did not make her shoot out my window. She was the one that ruined our marriage.
Craig Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 Originally Posted by Craig Woggle, the key words are "I did nothing." By doing nothing you did participate passively in your exW's snapping. You chose do do nothing when you had recordings of your exW threatening your life. Had you called the police, and I believe I encouraged you to do just that, there is a reasonable chance your exW would have been made aware of the seriousness of the path she was on and would not have shot up your house. So now, because of your inaction the rest of us tax payers have to pay an extra couple of hundred thousand to have the justice system deal with the escalated, far more serious situation just because you "did nothing to cause" your ex wife to snap. What did you do to cause your exW NOT to snap? I agree with you that I should have dealt with it much earlier but I did not make her shoot out my window. She was the one that ruined our marriage. Woggle, we agree! You didn't make her shoot out your window! I don't know enough about your marriage to make a comment but might assume that if a person is capable of shooting out a window that they might not have the skills to make a marriage work.
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