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I believe that a born again christian who commits suicide goes to heaven. I've asked several other ministers who also agree with me on this. Bob George, Charles Stanley, Chuck Swindoll, Tony Evans, Paul Carden, Ron Rhodes, Hank Hannegraaff, David Breese, Robert Morey, Robert Theime, Etc all believe that christians who commit suicide go to heaven.

 

The grace of God is sufficient to take care of the sin of suicide like all other sins. For a person is saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ & His death, burial & resurrection alone for the forgiveness of sins & eternal life. There is no such thing as a Jesus who died for only some sins. That Jesus does not exist in the bible. The Jesus of the bible took away the sins of the world from the eyes of God. That means the blood of Christ was sufficient to BLOCK our sins from God's sight. That includes adof hitler's sins, bin laden's sins, saddam hussaen's sins, etc.

 

I don't care who you are or what you have done. Everyone is welcome into the kingdom of God whether we like it or not. The door is open. Whosoever is willing may come. Whosoever is thirsty may drink of the water of life free of charge. (Revelation 22) The grace of God is inexhaustible. The only sin that will keep a man out of heaven is his unbelief in what Jesus accomplished 2000 years ago. (John 16:7-10) The world's sin is unbelief in Jesus. The Holy Spirit will convict the world of sin because men do NOT believe on Jesus. It says nothing in that verse about fornication, stealing, drunkedness, suicide, divorce, or any other sin. Those sins were judged at the cross. The verdict pronounced on Jesus was guilty as charged of all our sins. The punishment was death.

 

The sin of unbelief is the pride of man thinking he can somehow earn God's acceptance. It is the pride of man thinking he can do something to impress God. That is the only sin that is going to keep a person out of heaven. Why? because that person has chosen to get to God through his own righteousness and good works instead of trusting in His Son's righteousness.

 

Those are choices we make. If you choose to trust in your own righteousness then God basically is saying "alright let's see how you do." That will take place at the great white throne judgement (Revelation 20:11-15) All our righteousness is as filthy rags (Isaiah 64:6) I believe there's going to be bad news for alot of folks at the last day as they have rejected the free gift of eternal life thinking they could work for it. Everybody wants to get to the Father but not everyone wants to go through Jesus Christ. He is the only way. No moral reformation, no good works, no ritual, no church membership will get you to the Father. Buddah can't, joseph smith can't, the pope can't. I believe the coming antichrist will be a future pope by the way.

 

I am not guilty of anything that Jesus has not already paid for on the cross. In the sight of God I'm not guilty. Now in the sight of man I'm guilty of alot of sins. But no mortal man has the power to throw me into the lake of fire.

 

Until you are ready to come to the end of yourself and acknowledge to God that you cannot produce any righteousness that is acceptable to Him then you are not ready for salvation. There's only going to be 1 group of people in heaven and that is redeemed sinners. Those are sinners saved by grace. There will be no baptists, catholics, methodists, mormons, jehovah's witnesses, or any other denomination in heaven. Denominations are man-made.

 

Anyone who has trusted Christ as their Savior is born again and has His imputed righteousness & is eternally secure. As a matter of fact we are already seated in heaven (ephesians 2:5-6). The grace of God is offensive to those with a proud heart. God gives grace to the humble. Why? because the humble will receive it. The proud will not receive it. Therefore God resists the proud.

 

I've tried to work my way to heaven. It does not work. I gave up years ago and prayed "God if my salvation depends on me in some way then you might as well kill me now and send me to the lake of fire because I have no other reason to continue living."

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I am not guilty of anything that Jesus has not already paid for on the cross. In the sight of God I'm not guilty. Now in the sight of man I'm guilty of alot of sins.

He gave us free wil and also the commandments. We are still to chose the right path even with all its bumps, bruises and failures. How would you feel if you had someone in your life who you forgave and they continued to offend you over and over and over and expected you to contimue to forgive them over and over and over. Would you feel like they loved you? Would you feel like they cared about you? Would you feel like they respected you?

Yes God is all powerful and forgiving BUT.... what gives you the right to be selfish, self centered, and continue to abuse him, manipulate him, test him.. ??? SHAME ON YOU.....

 

 

catholics are man-made.

I am Catholic. Jesus was man and God. We believe Jesus is the creator of our religion. the word Catholic means Universal.. Universal Church. for all.

 

I've tried to work my way to heaven. It does not work. I gave up years ago and prayed "God if my salvation depends on me in some way then you might as well kill me now and send me to the lake of fire because I have no other reason to continue living."

Though shall not put the lord your God to the test...

 

As for suicide--it is selfish, self-absorbed, and abuse of the gift of life from God... If you gave such a precious gift to somone and they destroyed it how would you feel. REJECTED, UNWANTED, UNRESPECTED -- suicide is a reject of Gods gift and you chose to seperate yourself from him... He doesn't FORCE his will on us, he gives us free will to make our own choices and by our choices he allows us to make our own paths.. Suicide is rejection of him and his goodness and you place yourself in the depths of hell by your rejection of him..

 

It is up to you to seek more answers. Someones what appears to be a good peice of fruit is actually rotten in the middle once you take a big enough bit. Some judge something by first appearances look a little deeper and in difference areas for more resources.

 

I disagree with your opinion. I will not say anymore on this subject.

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Those are very poor illustrations. You can't compare a relationship with God to a relationship with fallen human beings. Our relationship with God does not depend on what we do or don't do. 1st Corinthians 13 defines the love that God has for us. 1st John 4 shows that God is love. I think it's a bad analogy to compare God to a human being because humans lose patience alot faster & give up on people alot sooner. God has promised to never give up on His children. You can't bring God down to your level of thinking. His ways our higher than our ways.

 

Have you forgotten that Jesus died for His enemies. He died for the people who crucified Him and mocked Him. Isn't that abuse? Did He die for the sins of those who abused Him or didn't He? Jesus died knowing full well that some would "abuse" His sacrifice. But He loved them enough anyway to die for them. He said "Father forgive them for they know not what they do". Did God answer that prayer? Yes He did.

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I know that from a catholic standpoint, the church is starting to look at it like this:

 

Suicide is considered a mortal sin, and any mortal sin left unconfessed is thus not forgiven and results in damnation. Accordingly since the sin cannot be confessed with the perpetrator deceased, it cannot be forgiven.

 

However, sin must be done purposely. Most priests now understand that suicide usually results from depression, which is a disease. Accordinly, the act may not always be considered willful, but rather the result of a disease. This removes the "mens rea" if you will from the act, and many parishes understand that if the depression had been properly treated the suicide may have been preventable.

 

This essentially removes guilt from the person who has comitted suicide, and accordingly catholic funeral rights and burial are allowed. From that perspective, it would seem that in that light, the person in question would not necessarily be instantly condmened for it.

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very well put, JN. One of our priests had pointed out that only God knows the heart of the suicide victim, whether that person committed the act fully and knowingly or otherwise. In the history of man, I'm sure there have been many, many cases of suicide representing both intentional and unintentional actions.

 

Suicide is rejection of him and his goodness and you place yourself in the depths of hell by your rejection of him..

 

very true. And when combined with what JN explained, it's easier to see why suicide – done wholeheartedly and intentionally – is a sin against God and the "once saved, always saved" school of thought. Because when you're saved, are you supposed to be letting the Holy Spirit work through you? An intentional suicide is not the work of the Spirit! To condone suicide with the argument "Jesus died for everyone" just doesn't float*– part of any ongoing relationship is a give and take between the two parties. How does an intentional suicide give back to the Jesus who gave his life up for you?

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According to 1st Corinthians 6:12 everything is permissible but not all things are profitable under grace. Jesus died for all sins whether they were intentionally committed or not. If a born again believer commits suicide even as a way to get revenge against someone who hurt him he will go to heaven. The blood of Christ paid for that sin. It's not that God winks at sin but it's the fact that He's already dealt with our sins.

 

Sin is not the issue between man and God today. Sin is now between you and your fellow man. I'm guilty of alot of sins against my fellow man. I might pay for those sins on this earth by going to jail or losing friends or being excommunicated from church but there is no condemnation awaiting me from God.

 

If I go out and steal then I will face condemnation from the laws of the land but none from God. That's why stealing is not profitable even though it's permissible. I don't have to fear the wrath of God but I may have to fear the wrath of the government for the sins that are illegal.

 

While I believe that committing suicide doesn't send a person to hell, the people whom he leaves behind will go through a far greater hell. Usually it's the living that suffer and not the dead.

 

My brother died by his own hand and to be real honest I envy him. He's not suffering anymore. He has no more worries and no more responsibilities. He's free forever from trials & tribulations. I look forward to being reuinted with him one day wherever he is. I believe he's in heaven now but if I'm wrong then I still want to be reunited with him wherever he is. I can't imagine spending eternity in heaven if my entire family is not there with me.

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I don't question that Jesus died for our sins, but the idea that I can profess with my mouth my love of God but my actions prove otherwise? That doesn't equate, because to knowingly and willingly commit a sin is an act against God, be it suicide or adultery or murder or other.

 

I cannot tell you if your brother is in heaven or hell or purgatory, because only God knew his heart when that final, fatal act transpired, though my hope is that God is showing His love and mercy toward him.

 

I am truly sorry for your loss, radiation ...

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(1 Corinthians 6:19-20 NIV) Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.

 

(1 Corinthians 3:16-17 NIV) Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you? If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him; for God's temple is sacred, and you are that temple.

 

Yeah, and as far as your comments regarding Catholicism, you might be interested to know that the New Testament was constructed by Emperor Constantine, who was a (take a wild guess) Catholic; before that people just read the individual gospels, so a select few were cannonized and placed into an order that would be helpful the the general masses (i.e. a collection of the most widely accepted gosples that all support Jesus as divine, unlike the gnostic gospels which are more concerned with individual spirituality and focus less on his being God). Also, you might also be interested in knowing that Catholicism was the first organized Christian church. Again, before you start running your judgemental proverbial mouth, you might want to make sure you have all the facts.

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(1 Corinthians 6:19-20 NIV) Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.

 

(1 Corinthians 3:16-17 NIV) Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you? If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him; for God's temple is sacred, and you are that temple.

 

Yeah, and as far as your comments regarding Catholicism, you might be interested to know that the New Testament was constructed by Emperor Constantine, who was a (take a wild guess) Catholic; before that people just read the individual gospels, so a select few were cannonized and placed into an order that would be helpful the the general masses (i.e. a collection of the most widely accepted gosples that all support Jesus as divine, unlike the gnostic gospels which are more concerned with individual spirituality and focus less on his being God). Also, you might also be interested in knowing that Catholicism was the first organized Christian church. Again, before you start running your judgemental proverbial mouth, you might want to make sure you have all the facts.

 

 

 

What an amazing twisting of scripture there you just did. The context of those scriptures have nothing to do with suicide.

 

How am I being judgemental? I'm not the one saying that suicides go to hell. You are. So if anyone is speaking words of condemnation here it is you. But I'm glad you are not God. I know that I have nothing to fear from God. Therefore continue to call me names and condemn me but on judgement day you won't be the one who gets to decide if I belong in heaven or not.

 

Whether you think I'm a phony & a hypocrite is not my main concern. It's not my goal to impress you or anybody else. My walk with the Lord is a personal thing between me and Him. I suggest you focus on your own walk with Him and not worry about what others are doing.

 

I never once preached that we have to live good lives to get to heaven. So calling me a hypocrite is unwarranted in this case. The gospel is about what Christ has done not what I'm doing or not doing. Any gospel that centers on what man must do to improve himself enough to be fit for the kingdom of God is an accursed gospel message. (Galatians 1:8) Religion offers no rest for the weary. Religion is defined as man trying to become God-like through his works.

 

I will continue to speak until God takes my voice from me. I will continue to post until God takes away my ability to type. If you don't like it too bad. A hypocrite is a person who pretends to be righteous when he is not. I never once said that I'm sinless and that everyone should just follow after me. I don't preach about what I've done but what Christ has accomplished. His finished work on the cross is what is worth bragging about.

 

Another thing too. I believe the bible is there to benefit us not to control us. The bible is not the Word of God. Jesus is the Word of God. The bible certainly contains accurate information about God but Jesus alone is the Word of God.

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I believe the catholic church is the harlot predicted in the book of revelation. The pope is the antichrist. Jesus also said to call no man on earth your father. Therefore why do catholics address the priest as "father so & so". That's blasphemy. The catholic church in history has burned people at the stake for not following after their doctrine. No priest can forgive your sins either. Jesus Christ is the only one who forgave sins. Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

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Thou shalt not kill

 

I mean really, how specific does God have to be?

 

It's amazing how far one person can go to find a way around something. And you know what, it doesn't matter what hard evidence you come up with, he will always find a way around it. It's really useless to post something with this guy because um.. you will always be wrong to him :)

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Thou shalt not kill

 

I mean really, how specific does God have to be?

 

It's amazing how far one person can go to find a way around something. And you know what, it doesn't matter what hard evidence you come up with, he will always find a way around it. It's really useless to post something with this guy because um.. you will always be wrong to him :)

 

I don't know what translation you are reading out of. But it should be translated "thou shalt not murder". It refers to a specific kind of killing. Otherwise that verse can mean all kinds of things. You might as well say it's a sin to kill insects. Where do you draw the line? This type of killing is about killing another human being. Has nothing to do with suicide. And if you say that someone goes to hell for taking their own life then you will be judged according to the same measure you judge them.

 

The problem with the religious world today is that they are hard on the street sinners but they'll tolerate self righteous people. We tolerate pride & greed but we'll be hard on the fornicators, drunkards, theives. Have you forgotten that Jesus was friends with the street sinners? He ate with them.

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I don't know what translation you are reading out of. But it should be translated "thou shalt not murder". It refers to a specific kind of killing. Otherwise that verse can mean all kinds of things. You might as well say it's a sin to kill insects. Where do you draw the line? This type of killing is about killing another human being. Has nothing to do with suicide. And if you say that someone goes to hell for taking their own life then you will be judged according to the same measure you judge them.

 

The problem with the religious world today is that they are hard on the street sinners but they'll tolerate self righteous people. We tolerate pride & greed but we'll be hard on the fornicators, drunkards, theives. Have you forgotten that Jesus was friends with the street sinners? He ate with them.

 

See what I mean? :D

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Is it a sin to execute murderers? It's killing isn't it? But we know that the 6th commandment is referring to murder and not all killings. If you read the same book of Exodous clearly shows capital punishment is scriptural. Therefore I believe in capital punishment for murderers not for revenge but to keep society safe.

 

I believe the point God makes in the book of Exodous is that I don't have the right to destroy other people but I certainly have a right to destroy myself if I want to. I just don't have the right to take another person's life.

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It seems as though the majority of the world looks at those who commit suicides as losers. Both secular society & the religious world look at them as losers who deserve to be treated with utmost contempt. Do you mean to tell me that you would not attend your loved one's funereal if they committed suicide? I mean why bother if you have that little respect for them? If you don't have even the least bit sympathy for them then your presence at the funereal is not welcome anyway.

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This thread really seems like its starting to become a violent-tempered place. The topic here is very serious and personal to many people and I think we should try to avoid fire and brimstone and speculations about the antichrist.

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I don't believe one's relationship with God is like the relationship we have with human beings. In any human relationship there is work to be done by both sides. Giving & taking. Most of us humans put conditions on our love for someone. We only love so and so if they do what we want them to do. But with God it's different. God has done the giving and we do the receiveing. I do not believe a person can out sin the grace of God. Grace saves the worst of people. Grace means unmerited favor. Grace would not be grace if we did not have the option of taking advantage of it.

 

1st Corithians 13 says that love does not demand its own way. God does not demand His own way and He will not stop loving us just because He doesn't agree with the choices we make. His accepts us as we are and not just if we keep doing the right things. God hates the sin but not the sinner. We assume that God gives up on us when we make bad decisions just because we as humans give up on each other when we don't get our ways. In most human relationships love & acceptance have to be earned. This is not so with a relationship with God.

 

Most of us view God by the same experience we've had with our earthly parents. If our earthly parents were accepting us only when we did right then it's easy to project that same view on God. Another thing is that we will ultimately treat people the way we believe God is treating us. If you believe that God witholds forgiveness from you until you straighten up then that's the same way you will treat others who wrong you. But afterall we are commanded to love and forgive one another just as God in Christ forgave us (ephesians 4:32). Does the bible command us to withold forgiveness from that person if they do not straighten up their act? Absolutely not.

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While I do believe in hell I don't believe anyone burns forever. Furthermore I believe the torment is more emotional and physical. The eternal torment view is not scriptural. Hell is annihilation for the unbelievers. When the lost die they sleep in the grave until the great white throne judgement. They are raised in their mortal bodies to be cast into the lake of fire to be annihilated. Whether or not this fire is literal I don't know. But the torment lasts for an indefinite period of time but not forever. When the saved die they immediately go into the presence of Jesus.

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Jesus came to save us from religion not just eternal death. Read it. The way I see it the enemies of the gospel are not the street sinners. The enemies are the religious crowd especially in most of christendom today. Christianity is the only cult that kills its own. Christ saves. The christian religion does not.

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And on and on he goes...

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And on and on he goes...

 

Bahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!:lmao:

 

Yeah...being around pretty open-minded intellectuals most of the time, I sometimes forget that people like this still exist. Though it saddens me for the condition of humanity, it is reminder for me of just how flawed people can be.

 

Oh, and radiation: again you are inferring things in my post that are unwarrented; I never said people who kill themselves go to hell. I am neither Christian, nor do I believe in hell. You said that no where in the bible does it say that suicide is a sin, and no it does not say specifically "suicide is a sin," but as Tim's Angel wrote, it does say "Thou shalt not kill." And, as I wrote, it clearly says that one who destroys their body, "God's temple," will be destroyed. Lord, how specific does it need to be? Many of the most important messages in the New Testiment are spoken in parables anyway, so you need to be insightful enough to accurately read into them.

 

So you can randomly quote the bible, but I quote something and I am twisting it around? I think the quote is pretty straight foward in it's message. How can you preach using the bible, but then say the bible doesn't determine how you should live your life? You are just full of paradoxes:

  • According to 1st Corinthians 6:12 everything is permissible but not all things are profitable under grace. Jesus died for all sins whether they were intentionally committed or not.
  • The gospel is about what Christ has done not what I'm doing or not doing. Any gospel that centers on what man must do to improve himself enough to be fit for the kingdom of God is an accursed gospel message. (Galatians 1:8)
  • If you read the same book of Exodous clearly shows capital punishment is scriptural.
  • I believe the point God makes in the book of Exodous is that I don't have the right to destroy other people but I certainly have a right to destroy myself if I want to.
  • 1st Corithians 13 says that love does not demand its own way.
  • But afterall we are commanded to love and forgive one another just as God in Christ forgave us (ephesians 4:32). Does the bible command us to withold forgiveness from that person if they do not straighten up their act? Absolutely not.
  • Another thing too. I believe the bible is there to benefit us not to control us. The bible is not the Word of God. Jesus is the Word of God. The bible certainly contains accurate information about God but Jesus alone is the Word of God.

So if the above statement is the case, why do you keep quoting from it? Jesus is the Word of God? Yeah, well unless Jesus comes and holds private conversations with you, the "Word of God" is only found in the New Testiment (arguably also found in the gnostic gospels) of the bible! Also, you certainly quote from it enough, and you are using it to determine whether or not suicide is a sin? It seems to me that you have already determined for youself using your own rationality (not God's/Jesus' commandments) to determine right from wrong, and understandably so; we all have to deterime what is moral/immoral using our own understanding of truth, the problem with your understanding is that you trying to mold the bible/"Word of God" to fit your predetermined reasoning, rather than reading it with an open-mind. The problem arrises when you try to pass off your own reasoning as that of God's. God's commandments are clearly spelled out for you; you just have to be open enough to comprehend it.

 

Anyway, your reasoning makes absolutely no sense...which, though fundamentally disheartening, is really kind of funny :lmao:.

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Basically you are saying that any christian who commits suicide is a hypocrite. That is very misguided. What if he was compassionate and sympathetic toward others? By the way if you don't want to be a christian then why bother to read the bible? Why do you quote from it? You just admitted that you don't want to be a christian so who are you to try to tell me how a christian should act?

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What if he was compassionate and sympathetic toward others?

What if he/she was mentally ill? Had Schizophrenia? And they killed themselves? Is that person going to HELL because of mental illness? Something they had no control over.

 

I'm just curious.

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I believe the coming antichrist will be a future pope by the way.

 

 

Is that right? But, technically, the anticChrist is against Christ, how can an alledged vicar of Christ start talking blasphemies and proclaim to everyone that he is god.

 

The movie franchise with Cloud 9 portays the antichrist as Nick Macolluso character on "Judgement', 'Revelatoins' and 'Apocolypse' as some New Age guru in control of the world teaching people New Age witchery and persecuting Christians, and wears a three piece suit and has a face you could laugh at if he is the monster described in the bible.

 

Then you have the Left Behind movie that portays the antichrist as some Russian sounding person who has special powers that he can kill people by extreme telekenitic powers, and also wears a three-piece suit. Peter and Paul Lalonde used to have a show called 'This Week in Bible Prophecy", I dont know if you remember it, but eventually branched off into Cloud 9 and started this new movie franchise.

 

I've heard other stories that the antichrist is from Syria, or that there is a future war with Israel, the gog and magog war of Ezekiel 38 or something, and nations start fighting against Israel and they are delivered by a supernatural miracle. Just after that, the antichrist brokers a peace treaty with Israel's enemies, brings peace to that region and a third temple is built in Jerusalem as stated in Daniel 9.

 

I dont know if I can buy the antichrist is a future pope, but I can understand a future pope supporting an antichrist, and then the antichrist nuking the catholic church after it's done using it. I believe the catholic church may represent Mystery Babylon whore - but the antichrist sounds too farfetched.

 

The religious authentication that the antichrist will likely need would probably come from the cathlolic church, a pope just has to say 'This guy is a man of God, and has a unique revelation of God', and the antichrist is believed by millions of gullible catholics that are left behind. But a pope, seriously, how do you figure it's a pope, I'm really curious?

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Basically you are saying that any christian who commits suicide is a hypocrite. That is very misguided. What if he was compassionate and sympathetic toward others? By the way if you don't want to be a christian then why bother to read the bible? Why do you quote from it? You just admitted that you don't want to be a christian so who are you to try to tell me how a christian should act?

 

Um, I never said a Christain who commits suicide is a hypocrite, but now that you mention it, they would be, unless they had some sort of mental disturbance that reduced their abiltiy to reason and they didn't know what they were doing.

 

Anyway, I read the bible because I like to be educated before I make life altering decisions, including what religion to follow. I have also read the Koran, as well as many other religious texts; it is called being well-rounded. I am telling you how a Christian should act by the standereds set for you in your own religious doctrine (the New and Old Testiment); I hold the Christian bible in the highest respect, and I admire those who follow it's teaching. However, I have nothing but contempt for the people who claim to be devoute Christians, preaching to others, when they don't "practice what they preach," when they say one thing ("I love God!") and then go around disrespecting others and/or themselves ("It's okay to commit suicide because it's my body," when, in fact, though God gives you free will, in killing yourself you are killing a piece of God, as you were created in His image and contain His spirit).

 

Yet again you are inferring things that I NEVER said; where in any of my posts did I write that I was not interested in becoming Christain? Are you assuming that because I said that I don't believe in hell? I am an open-minded person; if tomorrow something occured in my life to make me believe otherwise, I would have no problem fully accepting Christianity. However, though I find many teachings in the bible to be very profound and enlightened, and I try to follow them (the commandments) as best I can, because I find them to be a moral way of living, I don't believe that any one religion is the TRUE religion; every spiritual, religious text I have read have had their good aspects as well as their bad, so I try to follow those things that I find to be moral, valuable, and humane. See, unlike you, I don't claim to be something, and then justify my beliefs that conflict with my religious orinetation as standardized by it's religious doctrines by ignoring certain important aspects of them. If the idea that destroying your body is a sin bothers you, then you should find a new religion, or just say that although you strive to be Christian, you can't fully commit to all of it's ideals. Oh, and most of all, you should stop preaching the "Word" to others, and condeming them, when you yourself don't commit fully to it (the "Word"/Bible); that's the hypocracy of which I wrote of.

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