KillaPetehog Posted May 26, 2006 Posted May 26, 2006 (please don't post here until the post says "end of post") thanks. Should men take advice from women ------------------------------------------------ The question I wanted to lay out is a question to all of you women out there. Should men take advice from women? Ladies, I want your opinions. I’ll be honest with all of you here. I am a member of sosuave.com and I love the advice there… My current ID in sosuave.com is KillaPetehog The advice that I give to men is very different from the advice that women give. The advice that I give is very different from the advice that is in this website… I know there’s some guys like alphamale (on this website) who has very similar to advice to mine….but it’s still very different. Ladies, I want your opinions. I want your take on what’s going on. Should we take advice from you? And why do men say that your advice doesn’t work? I’ve given advice to friends, and I’ve seen how much their lives have changed with women. But I want to ask you women a question. Why does a man say that the advice from a woman about attracting a woman just…doesn’t work? I know there are a lot of women here who hate people like me…but please hear me out. Do you disagree with people like me? I say this because the advice that you get from people like me will be different from a woman. Take a look at this post from one of our elite. This is a post that is on sosuave.com and it has changed many lives of men…but many women detest this advice…. by Unknown A straight-talking post that was controversially posted across half of usenet in 2003. Here's an interesting fact. Did you know that the median 22 year old woman has TWICE as much sex as the median 22 year old man? You might ask, how is that possible? If a woman's having sex, doesn't that mean a man is having sex at the same time? And thus, shouldn't men be having just as much sex as women? NO...because most men hardly get laid, or if they do, it's because they "got lucky." But a small group of men get laid ALL THE TIME, and **** LOTS AND LOTS of women! It's evolution at work. Women follow their emotions, and that leads them to sleep with men like me (who know how to control female emotions.) Women want the top man...so the top man ****s lots of women. That's right - the sexual revolution, feminism, etc has resulted in a return to harems. Women, at the mercy of their own emotions, are volunteering for the modern-day equivalent of harems. Lucky for me!! Heh. You might say, "But...but...I'm so nice! I'm a nice guy!" Guess what? That's like a fat chick saying, "But I'm so smart!" As if those things have anything in the world to do with sexual attraction! I'm going to give some tips here for the poor sucker guys who are posting online trying to get laid and who are spending hundreds / thousands of dollars on all those *****s out there without getting any play. (You *****es know exactly what you're doing, and I'm on to your game!) * Don't be sexually judgmental in any way. A woman's worst fear is to be perceived as a slut. She will suck your toes and take it in the ass if she thinks you don't view her poorly for it (and she knows her friends won't find out.) Don't get angry at her. Women know they have emotional outbursts and they need to trust that you can handle that. It's ok (and necessary) to occasionally put your foot down...just make sure she knows you are fully in control of yourself. * Don't let her manipulate you or control you in any way. She will immediately lose all respect for you. Always be leading. It's just like dancing - women hate a man who can't lead. * When first approaching a woman or a group, they tend to get a feeling like this is just your little scheme to get close to them, when you really just want something from them - like sex. (And they're right.) It's important to structure your body language and conversation so that they honestly don't believe you want something from them. They should feel like you are about to leave at any second. * DON'T TRY TO IMPRESS HER IN ANY WAY. Don't show off. Don't talk about accomplishments or possessions. As soon as she perceives that you are trying to prove yourself to her, she loses all interest. * Don't ignore her friends. A woman values her friend's opinions more than just about anything else in the world. Nothing matters to her more than what other women are thinking. Give her friends lots of attention and get everyone laughing. If one woman is feeling different than the others, she will drag them away. They will follow like a flock of pigeons. Society is the book of women. (Notice that men do NOT behave this way! Women are very different!) * To get a woman attracted / emotionally vulnerable, give her lots of emotions and feelings. Don't just make her feel good. Make her feel good, and angry, and sad, and connected, and astonished, and intrigued, etc. Make her laugh. Tease her. Tell stories about your sick puppy. Tell her why things would never work out between the two of you. Call her a dork. If she gets heated up, she will start touching you...playfully push her away. If she calls you a jerk and punches your arm, you are doing it right. If she gives you that "I can't believe you just said that" look, do NOT back down, do not say "Oh I'm just kidding" or anything like that. * As she gets more emotional, she will try to ruin things by throwing in logic. She will ask you if you are a player, or if you say this to all the girls, or whatever. The trick is this: Don't take it seriously by giving it some logical answer! That's right...women lose interest if you take them seriously!!! It's crazy but that's how they behave. Just blow it off or misinterpret what she's saying as though she is coming on to you. If you fail these tests, she will be gone so fast your head will spin. * She will start asking you lots of questions. This is what chicks do when they suddenly find themselves attracted to a man they know nothing about. This is your chance to open up a little and also find out more about her and build a deeper connection. You have to do this, or she will flake later (even if you've kissed her!) Women are the worst flakes in the world! Don't make it too easy for her, make her work for it a bit. Then talk about connections and childhood memories and things you have in common, etc. She needs to feel that this is genuine. This is usually the time when I throw in a few fake vulnerabilities, like pretending I'm shy or insecure about something. I know it's ****ed up but women need to see that there are at least a few small holes where they can sink their hooks in you. They get uneasy if you are too perfect. * Make sure she gets the feeling that you have standards and that you are judging her based on them. Ask her questions that show her you are checking her out to see if she is up to snuff. Women don't like to feel like you are with them only because you can't do any better. They prefer to feel like you have high standards; you can get any chick you want, but you chose HER because she is SOOOO special and SOOOO different from all the others. Yeah, I know. * Move her to different locations. Take her next door for a drink. Take her across the street to check out some art. The more locations the better. * Take responsibility for every escalation. A woman will do just about anything as long as she doesn't have to feel like it was "her fault." Make it YOUR fault. Make it "just happen." She will rationalize it to herself later using the same bull**** generator that women use to flake out on dates at the last minute. Don't get her horny until you get her isolated. Believe me, emotional is better than horny. * Keep the woman always swinging somewhere between validation and rejection. If she feels rejected, she drops out or gets REALLY MAD. And if she feels too validated, she will ditch you in a heartbeat. So push her away (emotionally) and then pull her back in. * BELIEVE YOUR OWN BULL****. Chicks do not look at your excuses and try to see if they are bull**** or not... because that is the logical thing to do, and chicks are not logical. Rather, what they do is see if YOU seem to believe your own bull**** when you say it. If you look like you do, then chances are, they will believe it too. So the key is to believe your own bull****, and other aspects about yourself that you want the chick to believe about you too (alpha male..whatever)... because your own self beliefs for some reason will automatically 'impart' to the chick! * One more thing...many guys make the mistake of listening to female romantic advice. Don't listen to them, THEY DON'T KNOW WTF THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT, and they WILL steer you wrong. They will tell you what they THINK they want, instead of what they actually RESPOND to. And furthermore, a large part of the female sexual experience IS the inability to admit these things BECAUSE they derive sexual pleasure from putting up resistance and being overwhelmed. If you do things this way, after a few months practice you WILL get laid like a rock star. The guys who get laid are the ones who know what they are doing, because they have practiced on lots of women. Ironically, women are most attracted to the men who are most likely to **** them and then dump them on their ass - because those are precisely the men who have so many other options because they practice on lots of women. That's why you always hear women *****ing about how men are a**h***s that only want to **** them and dump them - because those are the men that they gravitate to. Women tend to wise up when they get towards their 30s, and they start looking for a nice wimpy beta male to settle down with and pay for all their ****. As they get older, they will get more and more desperate to find this guy. Once they do, they will cheat on him with an exciting fun guy like me. (But who wants to **** some old chick in her 30's? That's what beta males are for! Heh) Hey, don't blame me - I didn't make things the way they are. I was just a guy who wanted to get laid. And I do :-) Now, that is obviously advice from a man. Definitely not advice from a woman. I wanted to make this post to ask you women a question. There’s a lot of advice from women in this website and I would like your thoughts. I say this, because I have practiced these concepts and they have worked. I understand that some of you on this website are jaded towards people like me. But I would like to pose a serious question. Do you disagree with these concepts and beliefs? Are they incorrect? And why do they work? Is the advice from a man better than that from a woman? Why can’t a woman teach a man the things to attract a woman? The advice I’ve offered to men may not be “moral”, but it does the job… I say this, because it does the job. I say this…because I used to get advice from women all the time. I wasn’t always a “jerk” or a “player”. I used to be a “nice guy”. I used to listen to women just like you....
Aloros Posted May 26, 2006 Posted May 26, 2006 I'd agree with some of your advice to a certain extent. Someone should never be "too nice" because it comes across as desperate, stalker-ish, and unattractive (IMHO, at least). On the other hand, I don't think a man should be a jerk, either. I can't speak for all women, but any a**h***-ish tendencies make me run in the opposite direction. I find it distasteful and indicative of deeper issues. I have a friend who follows your advice to a t - and it's true, he does get laid a lot. But it is only with a certain type of woman, and these women are rarely looking for something sustainable. If a guy wants a relationship and not a series of one-night stands, he might want to think twice about following this advice. This friend also happened to get into a relationship with a wonderful girl, but because of his mindset, he ended up screwing it all up and losing her. Women are not always so different from men I think. The traits you describe - confidence, power, ambition, bravery, etc. - are not exclusive to men. In my current relationship, I am the more ambitious, decisive, confident one, and my boyfriend is more nurturing. I don't believe this makes him any less of a man, in fact, it is his nurturing traits that make him all that much more attractive to me. One should always take any advice with a grain of salt. No one can ever truly know your situation without knowing you and any persons involved inside and out. A man may, after taking your advice, find himself getting laid by more women, but by taking your advice and changing his persona, he may also find himself missing out on something potentially wonderful because of his changed character. I think changing oneself for the sole purpose of attracting the opposite sex is idiotic. Different men and women are attracted to different things. I know women who think shy men are irresistible, women who prefer their men nerdy, and women who find attentive men very attractive. The fact is that some women, myself included, find the type of man you have described, the manly macho man, to be flat out unattractive. I don't date jerks and try to change them because I simply refuse to date jerks. And the manly macho man facade comes across to me as simply that - a facade. It comes across to me as a facade used to mask deep-seated insecurities. So if a man takes your advice while trying to snag a woman NOT attracted to the manly so suave man, he loses out. He's defeated before he's begun. Beware of sweeping generalizations. They often make the speaker appear as if they have no idea what they are talking about because there are always exceptions. P.S. I hate romance novels.
Author KillaPetehog Posted May 26, 2006 Author Posted May 26, 2006 If you can’t teach me or any man how to become a man….why should a man take advice from a woman? The truth is that woman can't ever teach you to become a man. I've learned that a woman can't teach you to have power. A woman can't teach you dominance. A woman can't teach you how to talk to a woman and to have sexual feelings for you. A woman can't teach you how to have a body that is attractive to women. A woman can't teach you to stand up for yourself and to never supplicate. A woman can't teach you to have courage and power. A woman can't teach you to walk like a man. A woman can't teach you to talk like a man. A woman can't teach you to think like a man. A woman can't teach you to fight like a man. The saying is true. Tell me who you walk with and I will tell you who you are. When you walk with those who are successful with women, you will be successful with women. You do not learn attraction and sexuality from a woman. A woman can't teach you to be a man. So again, I ask you ladies. Should men take advice from women about women...if a woman can't even teach a man how to become...a man?
Author KillaPetehog Posted May 26, 2006 Author Posted May 26, 2006 I'd agree with some of your advice to a certain extent. Someone should never be "too nice" because it comes across as desperate, stalker-ish, and unattractive (IMHO, at least). On the other hand, I don't think a man should be a jerk, either. I can't speak for all women, but any a**h***-ish tendencies make me run in the opposite direction. I find it distasteful and indicative of deeper issues. I have a friend who follows your advice to a t - and it's true, he does get laid a lot. But it is only with a certain type of woman, and these women are rarely looking for something sustainable. If a guy wants a relationship and not a series of one-night stands, he might want to think twice about following this advice. This friend also happened to get into a relationship with a wonderful girl, but because of his mindset, he ended up screwing it all up and losing her. Women are not always so different from men I think. The traits you describe - confidence, power, ambition, bravery, etc. - are not exclusive to men. In my current relationship, I am the more ambitious, decisive, confident one, and my boyfriend is more nurturing. I don't believe this makes him any less of a man, in fact, it is his nurturing traits that make him all that much more attractive to me. One should always take any advice with a grain of salt. No one can ever truly know your situation without knowing you and any persons involved inside and out. A man may, after taking your advice, find himself getting laid by more women, but by taking your advice and changing his persona, he may also find himself missing out on something potentially wonderful because of his changed character. I think changing oneself for the sole purpose of attracting the opposite sex is idiotic. Different men and women are attracted to different things. I know women who think shy men are irresistible, women who prefer their men nerdy, and women who find attentive men very attractive. The fact is that some women, myself included, find the type of man you have described, the manly macho man, to be flat out unattractive. I don't date jerks and try to change them because I simply refuse to date jerks. And the manly macho man facade comes across to me as simply that - a facade. It comes across to me as a facade used to mask deep-seated insecurities. So if a man takes your advice while trying to snag a woman NOT attracted to the manly so suave man, he loses out. He's defeated before he's begun. Beware of sweeping generalizations. They often make the speaker appear as if they have no idea what they are talking about because there are always exceptions. P.S. I hate romance novels. But you see...are these things that I mentioned really....wrong? It's not necessarily being a jerk. It can be, but it's about standing up for yourself. And women can never teach men that. They tell men to be caring and sensitive and things like that...but they can't teach you to be a man. I'm not saying to be a jerk. I'm not saying to be a player. I'm just saying that a woman can't teach you to be a man. And if a woman can't teach any man to become a man.... then how can her advice teach me to attract a woman? A jerk always succeeds when he stands up for himself and shows power and dominance. A players emanates dominance and power... but a nice guy can succeed with women if he has confidence in himself and has power and dominance. But where does he learn this dominance? he won't learn it from a woman. The very keys to a woman's heart are not from the advice of women...but from others.
Alexandra Posted May 26, 2006 Posted May 26, 2006 I have to say you're a pretty persistent one. So did you bring reinforcement too? Well do carry on, you're amusing. In a twisted fashion.
Author KillaPetehog Posted May 26, 2006 Author Posted May 26, 2006 I have to say you're a pretty persistent one. So did you bring reinforcement too? Well do carry on, you're amusing. In a twisted fashion. If I annoyed anybody by what I said, those weren't my intentions. I don't think I posted anything to offend anyone...I just wanted to pose a question.
Alexandra Posted May 26, 2006 Posted May 26, 2006 If I annoyed anybody by what I said, those weren't my intentions. I don't think I posted anything to offend anyone...I just wanted to pose a question. Yanno I think that if one gets banned for a reason that's a pretty good indication right there that something they did was wrong if not annoying. So I think you knew and it was your intention but then again that's just my (evidently worthless) opinion. What's the question? It got lost in the sea of Copy&Pastes teaching men how women are worthless intellectually and they need to be jerks to score big. Oh wait, you don't want to hear the answer to your question from ME as I'm of the enemy gender.
Author KillaPetehog Posted May 26, 2006 Author Posted May 26, 2006 Yanno I think that if one gets banned for a reason that's a pretty good indication right there that something they did was wrong if not annoying. So I think you knew and it was your intention but then again that's just my (evidently worthless) opinion. What's the question? It got lost in the sea of Copy&Pastes teaching men how women are worthless intellectually and they need to be jerks to score big. Oh wait, you don't want to hear the answer to your question from ME as I'm of the enemy gender. I never said that people need to be jerks to score big. I never said women are worthless intellectually. I mean..is what I have written wrong? Then please tell me how and why it is wrong.
Fun2BMe Posted May 26, 2006 Posted May 26, 2006 The advice you are giving men to get laid are traits of a nice guy. So why would this "jerk"/"player" get all the girls if a nice guy naturally listens, tells stories of his childhood and does the things you state, other than being a jerk which is a turnoff for most women except for those who don't care about the man's personality and only want to get laid themselves. How do you know twice as many 22 year old women get laid than 22 year old men? Because they dress sexy? You took a pole? Also, it is so immature to generalize and categorize women into a category stating they give such and such advice. I read advice here from many different women and they vary greatly. When it comes to seeking advice from women on how to get them to bed by bulls***ting to them then dumping them for a dozen other women at hand, is it any surprise they are not good at giving that type of advice? Unless they are self loating retards, most women wouldn't know how to help you succeed in doing that with sympathy and a true desire and knowledge to enable you to "score" as many as possible. I wouldn't be surprised if some women purposely give the opposite advice so men won't take advantage of them.
Aloros Posted May 26, 2006 Posted May 26, 2006 The only thing that makes a man "A MAN" as you so say, by definition, are the dangly bits between his legs and his XY chromosomes (even this gets fuzzy at times). This is obviously something a woman cannot teach, realistically, this is not something that is taught at all. By saying "like a man", and so on and so forth, you imply that a man can be defined by personality. So in order to be a man, you must conform to a certain ideal? Who, then, is this quintessential man? And by not conforming to this ideal, is a man then not-man? Who makes these rules anyways? A woman can be confident, powerful, ambitious, etc., so assuming she can teach at all, she should be able to explain, at least by her own experiences, how she acquired said traits. I would contest the idea that these traits can be taught at all. Different people acquire confidence, power, ambition, etc., by different means. I acquired confidence by taking up acting. Should I then suggest that all people take up acting to acquire confidence? My point is that there is no one way to be a man (except by the possession of male genitalia), so giving someone advice on how to be a man is inherently misleading. I don't know that people should necessarily take advice at all. I think they should take advice into consideration when making a decision (for outside perspective), whether it be from a man or woman (this I think makes little difference), but as I said earlier, no person can really know you or your situation except for yourself. So, assuming slight modification of your question, YES men should consider advice from women when making decisions. A woman can't teach a man to become a man, because frankly, a man is born with male genitalia and XY (sometimes XXY) chromosomes. That makes him a man. If he isn't a man, that would mean he is lacking that anatomy, chromosomes, etc. and should be speaking to a doctor, not hanging around on advice boards.
Alexandra Posted May 26, 2006 Posted May 26, 2006 :lmao: Good God soon you need to see a specialist about that personality split honey pie. You answer your own posts under another name, that's alright, it can be solved, there are meds for that.
Aloros Posted May 26, 2006 Posted May 26, 2006 So you think dominance can be taught? It's a mindset, not a sport. You can give someone a pep-talk, but you can't TEACH them dominance. And who says dominance is attractive? Confidence is, but dominance...? I personally prefer oh blah blah blah... Who am I kidding? Who ever convinced another person on an online messageboard? Waste of time. Bye.
Author KillaPetehog Posted May 26, 2006 Author Posted May 26, 2006 So you think dominance can be taught? It's a mindset, not a sport. You can give someone a pep-talk, but you can't TEACH them dominance. And who says dominance is attractive? Confidence is, but dominance...? I personally prefer oh blah blah blah... Who am I kidding? Who ever convinced another person on an online messageboard? Waste of time. Bye. I absolutely agree.
brucevangeorge Posted May 26, 2006 Posted May 26, 2006 The advice you are giving men to get laid are traits of a nice guy. So why would this "jerk"/"player" get all the girls if a nice guy naturally listens, tells stories of his childhood and does the things you state, other than being a jerk which is a turnoff for most women except for those who don't care about the man's personality and only want to get laid themselves. How do you know twice as many 22 year old women get laid than 22 year old men? Because they dress sexy? You took a pole? Also, it is so immature to generalize and categorize women into a category stating they give such and such advice. I read advice here from many different women and they vary greatly. When it comes to seeking advice from women on how to get them to bed by bulls***ting to them then dumping them for a dozen other women at hand, is it any surprise they are not good at giving that type of advice? Unless they are self loating retards, most women wouldn't know how to help you succeed in doing that with sympathy and a true desire and knowledge to enable you to "score" as many as possible. I wouldn't be surprised if some women purposely give the opposite advice so men won't take advantage of them. I go to University and I agree 100% with the fact that women get laid more than guys. This is because there are fewer good looking guys that take care of themselves... aka playas. And it's "poll" okay? "P-O-L-L"... get it? Women do not know how to be men. Therefore all the advice on how to be a man cannot be taken from a woman... except maybe a handful of lesbians.
brucevangeorge Posted May 26, 2006 Posted May 26, 2006 :lmao: Good God soon you need to see a specialist about that personality split honey pie. You answer your own posts under another name, that's alright, it can be solved, there are meds for that. Have you been taking prescription medication lately? Drinking? X? Please support your babbling with proof.
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