Author radiation7740 Posted May 26, 2006 Author Posted May 26, 2006 Well I'm a born again christian and I believe what the bible says. The bible does not say that suicide is an unpardonable sin. Jesus died on the cross to pay for all sins including the sin of suicide. Nobody goes to hell for committing sins. Anyone who trusts Christ as their Savior is saved. That means believeing that He died in my place. So yes a person who commits suicide can go to heaven.
johan Posted May 26, 2006 Posted May 26, 2006 The idea of having your sins forgiven doesn't give you a free pass to go around sinning on purpose and without regret. You should control what you can, and you're forgiven for your weaknesses. But you can't be forgiven for just throwing up your hands, saying "hell with it, I'm a sinner, so I don't have to try". This is what is behind the story of the devil taking Jesus to the top of the cliff and saying "if God will save you then jump." The right response is that you don't just jump and expect God to swoop in and fix it. You don't jump, you try not to sin, you live the life you're given, you do your best, and then you hope to be forgiven for the parts you couldn't possibly have fixed. Suicide is jumping, literally and figuratively. You can't really be forgiven for it, because you take away any chance to repent upon reflection. And if you think you can repent beforehand, but do it anyway, you're essentially just thinking you can fool God. You won't be forgiven for thinking God is that stupid. EDIT: Whether those who commit suicide can go to Heaven is not my call. Maybe they can. But it isn't your call either. You might think you know, but there's only one way to really find out. And that's a big gamble.
Brittanyjean06 Posted May 26, 2006 Posted May 26, 2006 Well sometimes what we assume and what we think are the totally opposite of the truth, but thank you for putting that statement in there? since I am a very selfish person that is:) lol why would I ever try to give you freaking advice???? Just to make it look like I care, thats ridicoulous you don't think its selfish to kill your self, but YOu think It's selfish for someone to try to give you advice. okay. Maybe my advice was coming from a younger age..and it came off in a way that you thought I didn't care.. I have been here for a very long time, and always read every ones threads on what their going through , maybe you've seem how much i have posted threads lately, and are making the wrong assumptions. If you think my advice is not helpful than I will never post on your threads and don't ask me to read on if you think i am here for my own selfish desires.... Simple as that, now we don't have to say other people are being selfish because I can not explain more to you how misunderstood you are with my " advice' love shack is to help people, not to put others down on their advice. Thank you for your time and consideration, and judging me on a web site, very mattture:) Good bye
Guest Posted May 26, 2006 Posted May 26, 2006 This guy is grace2005, without a doubt. Please go look up his previous posts. It's not fair that nice people are trying to reach out to someone who posts for the intent of gaining attention.
Author radiation7740 Posted May 27, 2006 Author Posted May 27, 2006 The idea of having your sins forgiven doesn't give you a free pass to go around sinning on purpose and without regret. You should control what you can, and you're forgiven for your weaknesses. But you can't be forgiven for just throwing up your hands, saying "hell with it, I'm a sinner, so I don't have to try". This is what is behind the story of the devil taking Jesus to the top of the cliff and saying "if God will save you then jump." The right response is that you don't just jump and expect God to swoop in and fix it. You don't jump, you try not to sin, you live the life you're given, you do your best, and then you hope to be forgiven for the parts you couldn't possibly have fixed. Suicide is jumping, literally and figuratively. You can't really be forgiven for it, because you take away any chance to repent upon reflection. And if you think you can repent beforehand, but do it anyway, you're essentially just thinking you can fool God. You won't be forgiven for thinking God is that stupid. EDIT: Whether those who commit suicide can go to Heaven is not my call. Maybe they can. But it isn't your call either. You might think you know, but there's only one way to really find out. And that's a big gamble. If my salvation depends on me in some way then I might as well go to hell right now and get it over with because failure is inevitable for me as a sinner. Maybe you think you have the power to save yourself but I know I can't save myself by good works.
Author radiation7740 Posted May 27, 2006 Author Posted May 27, 2006 Ok then. No argument here. It isn't your call to tell me I won't be forgiven either.
Author radiation7740 Posted May 27, 2006 Author Posted May 27, 2006 The FBI won't take me without a long fight on their hands first. I will not cooperate if they tell me to go with them.
Author radiation7740 Posted May 27, 2006 Author Posted May 27, 2006 Praise God I'll preach the gospel to the FBI when they come looking for me. I'll preach to the whole FBI academy. I'll even preach in the courtroom about Jesus Christ.
cynicalnlove Posted May 28, 2006 Posted May 28, 2006 Praise God I'll preach the gospel to the FBI when they come looking for me. I'll preach to the whole FBI academy. I'll even preach in the courtroom about Jesus Christ. Radiation: Why do you let life take you so easily?? You're trying to make it seem like it's ok to give up.. You shouldn't be so weak. I know that it's grim times.. but honey - we all go through hell; and what makes us so much better is that at least we know that it exist, and the best part is.. to know that you are able to conquer it. If you leave, how will you ever know what it is to see the person you love smile? Or to experience those butterflies when you meet your soul mate.. to see your parents smile that they still have at least one other son that decides that he will not abandon them too. Don't you know how much it pains them to know that they've f***ed up? it will haunt them FOREVER.. 2 sons - gone by their choice. They probably have very little time, the least that you could do is try your best to get over this. When you do ~ Its going to feel amazing~!! Because when you do - you will be able to know that you could take on anything that comes your way. Do not let ONE person have that much power over you. It's just one.
Author radiation7740 Posted May 29, 2006 Author Posted May 29, 2006 By the way if you really believe that I come here just for attention then why do you post on my thread at all? Why do you even bother reading my threads at all? Just by reading my threads alone you have already given me what you think I'm looking for. Wouldn't I be getting what I want from you? Just by posting even one sentence you have fallen into the trap you believe I'm setting everyone up for.
Sup Posted May 29, 2006 Posted May 29, 2006 Well I'm a born again christian and I believe what the bible says. The bible does not say that suicide is an unpardonable sin. Jesus died on the cross to pay for all sins including the sin of suicide. Nobody goes to hell for committing sins. Anyone who trusts Christ as their Savior is saved. That means believeing that He died in my place. So yes a person who commits suicide can go to heaven. I remember it says in the Bible: Know ye not that ye are the temple of the Holy Ghost. And it also says: Whosoever destroyeth the temple of God, him will God destroy. I tried to look up these verses, but I can't find them right now, But I do know they are in the New Testament. Those verses say that you can't destroy the temple of God (yourself) So the Bible DOES state that you cannot kill yourself! I was listening to my pastor preach once, he said that a person who kills themselves can't repent of the sin of suicide, suicide IS murder of one's self, It IS written Thou Shalt Not Kill! You could repent of killing someone, yes. But when a person kills their self, they can't repent, because there're dead, it's then too late. That reminds me of another scripture in the New Testament that says: The wages of sin is death (1 sin = death). It also says in another verse: And sin, when it is finished, bringth forth death. I know it's not the whole verse/s, but for some reason I can't find them right now. But I do know one thing, Satan Does want you to kill yourself to have you with him. Now I can't say that for all cases like, diseases, etc. because I just don't know about all of that, But God knows, that much I am sure about, and still, who would ever want to chance it anyway. I do know that Satan messes with peoples minds, and tries to convince people to do things(Tempts). I don't know what it's like when a spouse leaves or anything, but I DO know what it's like to be going through suicidal attack from Satan. I've gone through suicidal attacks for years, Jesus Christ brought me through it, and he can and WILL help you too! If he do it for me, he can do it for you, God is not a repector of persons. I know it may SEEM that all these thoughts are yours, but not all of them are, Satan puts thoughts like that in peoples minds to try to move them into doing something they normaly wouldn't do, he also tries to use circumstances, like this one you are having, to destroy you. Are you going to a church right now? If not, you should go to a church where you would be spiritally fed. But you may also want to see a doctor about depression, seriously. I've heard this kinda stuff messes with people in a bad way. But, ask God to help you, I'll be praying for you MAN! GOD WILL HELP YOU :bunny:
Philipek Posted May 29, 2006 Posted May 29, 2006 I was in a similar spot very recently. I was rescued against my will (at the time, I hasten to add) and had it not been for that person I'd not be sat here writing this. I guess I am lucky, and also very stupid. You're still lurking around, so I guess you're doing something right. I wish that I could offer some meaningful advice like the others, but I am still not sure what to do about me, let help others. I all want to say is that I feel for you and I guess I understand. Not that that's any comfort. But I felt I had to say it.
Author radiation7740 Posted May 30, 2006 Author Posted May 30, 2006 This guy is grace2005, without a doubt. Please go look up his previous posts. It's not fair that nice people are trying to reach out to someone who posts for the intent of gaining attention. If you consider anyone on here nice then you are seriously deceived. These boards show humanity at it's meanest. Most of the posters on here have critical spirits.
Alexandra Posted May 30, 2006 Posted May 30, 2006 This guy is grace2005, without a doubt. Please go look up his previous posts. Very true and very worrying. I've said it before will say it again. Radiation, Grace, whatever name you go by, you need to get professional help. Don't even try to give me your already infamous "if you don't like me why read me" response. I may not care for you but I do care that you get treated. You don't even need to commit to years of therapy right now. Just go see a therapist. Just do yourself the favour to go once. If nothing else you'll get to tell your many sides of the story to someone you see face to face instead of LS which you loathe so much but frequent. I can imagine that at this point you strongly feel we're all wrong and your dark version of the world is the right one but make an imagination effort and admit there's a 0.1% possibility we're actually right and there IS another way to live than alone, in fear and darkness. It may even feel good.
Author radiation7740 Posted May 30, 2006 Author Posted May 30, 2006 Very true and very worrying. I've said it before will say it again. Radiation, Grace, whatever name you go by, you need to get professional help. Don't even try to give me your already infamous "if you don't like me why read me" response. I may not care for you but I do care that you get treated. You don't even need to commit to years of therapy right now. Just go see a therapist. Just do yourself the favour to go once. If nothing else you'll get to tell your many sides of the story to someone you see face to face instead of LS which you loathe so much but frequent. I can imagine that at this point you strongly feel we're all wrong and your dark version of the world is the right one but make an imagination effort and admit there's a 0.1% possibility we're actually right and there IS another way to live than alone, in fear and darkness. It may even feel good. That's a contradiction in terms. You either care or you don't. There are no butts. Quite frankly I'm not expecting anyone here to care. If I was expecting it I would go to my friends & family. They have no idea what is going on inside of me.
norajane Posted May 30, 2006 Posted May 30, 2006 That's a contradiction in terms. You either care or you don't. There are no butts. Quite frankly I'm not expecting anyone here to care. If I was expecting it I would go to my friends & family. They have no idea what is going on inside of me. Wow, why not? Why wouldn't you go to your friend and family for support when you're obviously hurting deeply?
Author radiation7740 Posted May 30, 2006 Author Posted May 30, 2006 Wow, why not? Why wouldn't you go to your friend and family for support when you're obviously hurting deeply? Because it's not their problem. They've got their own lives to live & worry about. A real man tries to handle trials all by himself. It's alright to come to a message board and vent but it's a different story offline.
Alexandra Posted May 30, 2006 Posted May 30, 2006 A real man tries to handle trials all by himself. Right, so why don't you start acting like a real man by getting yourself sorted then?
Author radiation7740 Posted May 30, 2006 Author Posted May 30, 2006 Right, so why don't you start acting like a real man by getting yourself sorted then? Because I'm not in the military. To be real honest I'm not happy with the male gender either. It's not females. I don't really like being a man. If I wanted to conform to the world's standards of what a real man is then I would have joined the military. I don't look for the same things most men are looking for in a woman.
Author radiation7740 Posted May 30, 2006 Author Posted May 30, 2006 I'm not about to go around and prove to anybody how manly I am. I was not put on this planet to live somebody else's dream. I don't have to prove anything to anybody. Call me a coward if you want to. I'm not interested whether someone thinks I'm a coward or not. Let alone what some stranger on the internet thinks.
jtkirkwood Posted May 30, 2006 Posted May 30, 2006 Rad, today I gave my ex the pleasure of repeatedly kicking me when I was down, and at one point I thought of running and jumping right out the window. I don't recall ever feeling as dejected as I do right now, I know how you feel. Check my thread if you want the story... found out that the meeting coming up was bull****. Right back to square 1, crying, pleading, and all - the ex just loved that! I had been doing so well too... but I realized that if I'm getting treated like that is she really worth what I've got to offer? Hell no... Anyway brother there are a lot of us here who care about you - that in itself wont make the pain go away, this I know for a fact as it hasn't dulled mine. [email protected] - drop me a line if you want. I don't know s**t, but I think the world is more interesting with you in it. JT
Sup Posted May 30, 2006 Posted May 30, 2006 Because it's not their problem. They've got their own lives to live & worry about. A real man tries to handle trials all by himself. It's alright to come to a message board and vent but it's a different story offline. Jesus Christ himself looked to his Father (GOD), he had too keep his eyes upon him all the time, otherwise he could have fallen. Jesus didn't handle trials alone. Remember Jesus was also tempted, and sinned not.
Bogun Posted May 30, 2006 Posted May 30, 2006 I get the feeling that all your problems are to do with you being gay, but you don't want to accept it. Your behaviour reminds me very much of other young men that do not want to accept their sexuality, and your extreme conservative religious beliefs only make it worse for you. Come out of the closet bud, there is nothing wrong with being homosexual.
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