Art_Critic Posted April 6, 2006 Posted April 6, 2006 the drugs will win out every time buddy Perfectly Put Alpha
blind_otter Posted April 6, 2006 Posted April 6, 2006 B_O.. I find this statement suprising considering your recovery.. Let me straighten you out about something.. To an Addict one drug is as bad as the other.. or soft and hard drugs are just as bad to the addict. Remember that addiction is a system of denial that tells you it is okay to continue taking or drinking.. By saying that one drug is okay and another is not you are setting yourself up for a slip. An alcoholic should never drink near beer .. Why ? because it is stroking the Alcoholics system of denial that he can no longer drink beer. A drink of a real beer is right around the corner. He is setting himself up for a dlip.. just as you are with your thinking that there are okay drugs to take. Sorry for the Hijack wit.. I think that if you ask her to give up poppers then you yourself should give up the MJ I didn't say I thought there were drugs that were OK to take. I know that there are drugs that really affect your perception of reality -- a lot...like alcohol, coke, acid, speed. And drugs that don't affect you as intensely. Just because I can't do them doesn't mean other people can't. I'm not that much of an idiot, Artholemew.
whichwayisup Posted April 6, 2006 Posted April 6, 2006 Yes WWIU, you are, as always, on the same page. Exactly what I intend to do. Give the trust, its cooler that way, let the actions decide how right or wrong you are. Can I ask??? Has she or do you think she will do needle drugs? And sorry to ask, but has she been tested for any STD's in her life? I'm not saying at all that she has anything... Just be careful. We wouldn't want anything to happen to Witabix Jr., now would we?
TheSwordfish Posted April 6, 2006 Posted April 6, 2006 Aren't poppers used in the gay scene to relax certain muscles? Why would she use them? I mean, that is crazy....
alphamale Posted April 6, 2006 Posted April 6, 2006 Aren't poppers used in the gay scene to relax certain muscles? I thought poppers were deep-fried jalapenos filled with cheese
2sunny Posted April 6, 2006 Posted April 6, 2006 I thought poppers were deep-fried jalapenos filled with cheese Maybe I am ignorant (obviously because I am asking) but what exactly are poppers in the drug world?
blind_otter Posted April 6, 2006 Posted April 6, 2006 I thought poppers were deep-fried jalapenos filled with cheese now THAT'S funny.
alphamale Posted April 6, 2006 Posted April 6, 2006 now THAT'S funny. well, I haven't been on the drug "scene" in almost 20 years so I'm a bit behind the times....in my drug "scene" the major players were pot, acid, 'shrooms and coke. there were some other minor players that weren't too popular.
blind_otter Posted April 6, 2006 Posted April 6, 2006 Maybe I am ignorant (obviously because I am asking) but what exactly are poppers in the drug world? from talktofrank.com Poppers are small bottles filled with liquid chemicals called alkyl nitrites. They were used at the turn of the century for people suffering from chest pains. Nitrites like Amyl Nitrite dilate the blood vessels and allow more blood to get to the heart. They're usually sniffed straight from the bottle and deliver a short, sharp high. Poppers are sold in sex shops, clubs and gay bars. Have you ever huffed the gas from a whipped cream dispenser? It's a euphoric, short high. Like that. When I was little I made the redi whip bottle go flat from sucking the gas out.
whichwayisup Posted April 6, 2006 Posted April 6, 2006 I sniffed glue once when I was in grade 10. Don't know why though. Maybe I was stoned? Smoked some pot and hash, that's about it. I was always too scared to try Shrooms and acid...A good friend told me once, "Don't EVER take acid if you're too scared because you'll go on a long freaky, scary trip..." So, I didn't. It's probably been about 10 years since I smoked weed. Gives me anxiety and that is something I don't need to deal with considering I have an anxiety disorder NOW! LOL!
blind_otter Posted April 6, 2006 Posted April 6, 2006 The first time I took acid, my roommate took it upon himself to f*** with my head. I ended up in the shower hearing "REDRUM REDRUM REDRUM" and seeing little monsters clinging to the shower curtain. Bad trips never freaked me out, though, even if there were nasty side effects in my bod...I always knew it was the drugs messing with my brain chemistry, nothing more, and that it would eventually end. Some people, though, would end up like rocking and crying in the closet. This one girl did that at a party. Then she made me call her mother while we were both tripping balls. "Hello, Mrs. Smith. The flying astronauts and green and blue. Here's your daughter! She's found reality."
Art_Critic Posted April 6, 2006 Posted April 6, 2006 from talktofrank.com Interesting.. so why do a lot of butt pirates use it ? has it got to do with the restiction of blood vessels ?
Becoming Posted April 6, 2006 Posted April 6, 2006 Wit, if it makes you uncomfortable, you need to honor that--especially given your history. Pot is used by grannies, fergawdsake. It does have some medicinal properties for which you use it. Personally, I think you need to find a new place to pick up gfs. YOU're better than this. So why. . . . ? :confused:
blind_otter Posted April 6, 2006 Posted April 6, 2006 Interesting.. so why do a lot of butt pirates use it ? has it got to do with the restiction of blood vessels ? I'm thinking yeah. It lowers your basal body temp.
amerikajin Posted April 7, 2006 Posted April 7, 2006 Yeah, she says she's mad at him for making the comment, but she gave him a hug and kissed him on the cheek. I would be careful not to overreact or anything, because it may have been just a polite way for her to escape the situation, but after your experiences, I'd be very leary about getting too close to her at this point. Hold back and be very objective about her.
RecordProducer Posted April 7, 2006 Posted April 7, 2006 1. Am I being too hypocritical here? 2. Is it fair to force someone to make such a choice? 1. You're not hypocritical at all! You can tell someone that they eat or drink too much; the fact that you eat or drink too (but not too much) doesn't make you a hypocrite. 2. It's absolutely fair and they should be grateful to you.
Outcast Posted April 7, 2006 Posted April 7, 2006 To me drugs is drugs. I'm bored by people who think getting drunk is 'fun' or, for that matter, who think any sort of chemical high is a valid form of entertainment. There is potential for real damage with all drugs - I can't see the sense in it when there are plenty of other entertaining things to do on the planet. And if someone has enough issues they need to self-medicate that, too, is a red flag. I'm sorry for them but I'm not going to take them on. I think MJ should be legalized for people who need it medicinally and decriminalized but I won't have a smoker in my house no matter what they smoke.
Author witabix Posted April 7, 2006 Author Posted April 7, 2006 1. You're not hypocritical at all! You can tell someone that they eat or drink too much; the fact that you eat or drink too (but not too much) doesn't make you a hypocrite. 2. It's absolutely fair and they should be grateful to you. Het RP, thanks for that validation. Appreciated. A mixed bag of responses here.....good. Needed those views, thanks all. WWIU, no needle usage, no STD's. She has had a colourful past from her own description, but as I have posted before on here about not judging a girl based on her past I continue to refuse to do so now. I appreciate the watch and be careful stuff I read, I intend to. We have had a good few discussions on boundaries and expectations, I must admit a lot of the stuff I have discussed has been informed from what I have read on LS before. It really does help to get some perspective people, believe me. It has also allowed me to be more open and direct about what I expect, and far more ready to bring this stuff up early on in a relationship that is budding. I have laid out my boundaries on drug use as such..... The taking of drugs as a recreational tool is, IMO, a risky business, and for my own reasons, I have NO interest in being with someone who does so. For me, and only for me, it is NOT cool. I am totally cool with my SO having friends with whom they have shared a relationship, including exes, that does not trouble me at all. Unless it is kept away from me, or if I feel that it is somehow shrouded. From my past experience male friends of any description that are 'hidden' or met on a one to one basis with any form of regularity is also not cool. Combing the above two paragraphs is a definate NO NO. I may come across as a stuffy fool, but hey thats me. As I said she had no problem accepting what I had to say, there was no reason for her to lie, or bs me, we simply have not been together long enough for her to have any reason to do so. Thats why I think its better to get this stuff sorted out before a major investment of time or emotions. Maybe I am becoming colder, dunno. Thanks all for your input, I really do appreciate it.
Mary3 Posted April 9, 2006 Posted April 9, 2006 If in fact she is using any type of addictive drugs ( I'm not the expert on drugs ) and you have told her to stop , that does not mean this drug use is going to end just because you say its so....Meaning like others have said here : She has her friends. Her friends use drugs ( correct me at any point ) . She was out with a former FWB. (Why?) She used some poppers. Not sure how bad those are but how are you to know she isn't using other things you would not approve ? Your stance is "My Way or the High Way so to speak. What if she picks # 2 ? ? My main point is , she might pick her friends over you. She might pick the drugs over you. What plan of action do you have if this tough love approach fails . ?
Walk Posted April 9, 2006 Posted April 9, 2006 My understanding of "poppers" is that they are far more lethal then MJ could ever be. I did whippets for a while until I realized how dangerous they were. Two kids in my area died that year from doing nitrous. Does she know how dangerous these really are? Nitrates are “awesome….if you dont mind being a semi-retarded, unable to form cognitive thoughts, and cant form a complete sentence, idiot… amyl nitrates(and MOST inahlents, for that matter) are excessively damaging to the brain. they paralyze sensors in the brain that control speech and thought patterns. people who are normal before their use, will fall into the IQ category of ‘idiot’ after prolonged or habitual use. ive seen geniuses(literally) drooling on themselves after ‘discovering’ such wonders as amyl and butal nitrates, not to mention the paralyzing effects of everyones favorite…nitrous oxide.” Educate her to make a better decision. Not doing something for someone else is harder to follow then refraining from doing it so you won't become a retard. Wit: I think you made the right decision and put your foot down. It is a bit hypocritical, but then again, the dangers and the reasonings are different between the two drugs.
Walk Posted April 9, 2006 Posted April 9, 2006 Amyl Nitrite Immediate negative effects of inhalants include nausea, sneezing, coughing, nosebleeds, fatigue, lack of coordination, and loss of appetite. Solvents and aerosolsprays also decrease the heart and respiratory rates, and impair judgment. Amyl and butyl nitrite cause rapid pulse, headaches, and involuntary passing of urine and feces. Long term use may result in hepatitis or brain hemorrhage. Deeply inhaling the vapors, or using large amounts over a short period of time, may result in disorientation, violent behavior, unconsciousness, or death. High concentrations of inhalants can cause suffocation by displacing the oxygen in the lungs or by depressing the central nervous system to the point that breathing stops. Long term use can cause weight loss, fatigue, electrolyte imbalance, and muscle fatigue. Repeated sniffing of concentrated vapors over time can permanently damage the nervous system. VS. Marijuana All forms of cannabis have negative physical and mental effects. Several regularly observed physical effects of cannabis are a substantial increase in the heart rate, bloodshot eyes, a dry mouth and throat, and increased appetite. Use of cannabis may impair or reduce short-term memory and comprehension, alter sense of time, and reduce ability to perform tasks requiring concentration and coordination, such as driving a car. Research also shows that students do not retain knowledge when they are "high". Motivation and cognition may be altered, making the acquisition of new information difficult. Marijuana can also produce paranoia and psychosis. Because users often inhale the unfiltered smoke deeply and then hold it in their lungs as long as possible, marijuana is damaging to the lungs and pulmonary system. Marijuana smoke contains more cancer-causing agents than tobacco. Long-term users of cannabis may develop psychological dependence and require more of the drug to get the same effect. The drug can become the center of their lives. If I had to choose, I'd take paranoid over "involuntary passing of urine and feces" any day. hahah
blind_otter Posted April 9, 2006 Posted April 9, 2006 If I had to choose, I'd take paranoid over "involuntary passing of urine and feces" any day. hahah Nevermind. Don't respond.
Author witabix Posted April 12, 2006 Author Posted April 12, 2006 If in fact she is using any type of addictive drugs ( I'm not the expert on drugs ) and you have told her to stop , that does not mean this drug use is going to end just because you say its so....Meaning like others have said here : She has her friends. Her friends use drugs ( correct me at any point ) . She was out with a former FWB. (Why?) She used some poppers. Not sure how bad those are but how are you to know she isn't using other things you would not approve ? Your stance is "My Way or the High Way so to speak. What if she picks # 2 ? ? My main point is , she might pick her friends over you. She might pick the drugs over you. What plan of action do you have if this tough love approach fails . ? I have been really busy recently, so haven't responded sorry. They have been friends for a long time, however I understand the relevance of the question. I am in no way ever going to attempt to control who my SO can be friends with. I do believe in trust, and I also believe I am in full possession of the facts regarding this friend. So I will continue to trust until I know I cannot. Risky but I believe that is the way to go. Without believing much of the words, only the actions. That is the way it works for me. I have made it clear I will walk, no question at all.
Author witabix Posted April 12, 2006 Author Posted April 12, 2006 Amyl Nitrite VS. Marijuana If I had to choose, I'd take paranoid over "involuntary passing of urine and feces" any day. hahah Walk don't think I am addicted to mj, I am not. I have used about eight to ten times in the last three years.
Walk Posted April 12, 2006 Posted April 12, 2006 Walk don't think I am addicted to mj, I am not. I have used about eight to ten times in the last three years. I didn't mean to imply I thought you were a stoner. You'd said you hardly touched the stuff, only a few times to help get to sleep (I think that's what you said basically). Sorry if it came across that way, wasn't intended. As far as your girl goes.. I know everyone likes to have their fun, but occasionally we need those who care about us to stop us from doing something too stupid. I think what you did was the correct thing to do.
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