blind_otter Posted March 1, 2006 Posted March 1, 2006 And so anecdotal data, which is completely unacceptible in peer reviewed journals, once again rules the day. ignorance is bliss, and 'tis folly to be wise, as they say.
Author Woggle Posted March 1, 2006 Author Posted March 1, 2006 And so anecdotal data, which is completely unacceptible in peer reviewed journals, once again rules the day. ignorance is bliss, and 'tis folly to be wise, as they say. Street smarts count for a whole lot.
Chump64 Posted March 1, 2006 Posted March 1, 2006 Street smarts count for a whole lot. Yes. Yes they do -- for personal opinions. Not for sweeping societal theories that you continuously push as truths.
blind_otter Posted March 1, 2006 Posted March 1, 2006 Street smarts count for a whole lot. In conversation, yes. In sociology, psychology, and all hard and soft sciences, NO.
lindya Posted March 1, 2006 Posted March 1, 2006 Oh, come on, EVERYONE'S perceptions of the world are *coloured* by their life experiences! No-one - not even you - is immune from that. Even if you allow information from a different source to enter your mind your experiences still take precedence. Experience cannot be undone therefore it will always be there colouring your perceptions to some extent. Of course we're all coloured by our own experiences, but we have to guard against those personal experiences turning into prejudices.
Chump64 Posted March 1, 2006 Posted March 1, 2006 In conversation, yes. In sociology, psychology, and all hard and soft sciences, NO. Exactly.
alphamale Posted March 1, 2006 Posted March 1, 2006 Street smarts count for a whole lot. Street smarts are over-rated. Most people who have lots of "street smarts" are under-educated and lack a fair amount of intelligence. You really need both....you need the book smarts and the street smarts and both have to balance.
Chump64 Posted March 1, 2006 Posted March 1, 2006 But whilst personal life experience is valuable, it can also colour your perceptions of the world around you. There's that temptation to focus your attention on anything that backs up your existing views rather than absorb information that challenges them. The personal experience may encourage you to spend a lot of time thinking about and researching a particular subject....but to the extent that you develop Tunnel vision about it. This makes a TON of sense. This is exactly what Woggle is doing, in fact. It's so painfully obvious.
blind_otter Posted March 1, 2006 Posted March 1, 2006 Incidentally you can have street smarts and be a total dumbass. My ex from scotland was like that. grew up on the streets of glasgow, but had absolutely NO knowledge of anything beyond what he personally experienced.
Author Woggle Posted March 1, 2006 Author Posted March 1, 2006 Street smarts are over-rated. Most people who have lots of "street smarts" are under-educated and lack a fair amount of intelligence. You really need both....you need the book smarts and the street smarts and both have to balance. I have a masters degree so I do have both but I have met punks in the East Village that could tell me more about life than your average Harvard grad.
blind_otter Posted March 1, 2006 Posted March 1, 2006 I have a masters degree so I do have both but I have met punks in the East Village that could tell me more about life than your average Harvard grad. well let's not speak in absolutes, at the very very MINIMALLY least. Just because you have street smarts doesn't mean your intelligent. Just because you have book smarts doesn't mean you're wise.
SmoochieFace Posted March 1, 2006 Posted March 1, 2006 Incidentally you can have street smarts and be a total dumbass. My ex from scotland was like that. grew up on the streets of glasgow, but had absolutely NO knowledge of anything beyond what he personally experienced. Well, one can be sheltered from the streets and the *real world* and have a bunch of PhDs and be a dumbass as well. Hell, when it comes right down to it, we are ALL dumbasses in one way or another. Some are dumbasses in the street smarts category - others are dumbasses in the book-smarts category.
blind_otter Posted March 1, 2006 Posted March 1, 2006 I understand the impulse to codify the world, create divisions, classifications, labels -- it makes it easier to understand. Children do this almost continually, and their classifcations and definitions become more refined as they develop. However, ultimately, you must realize that this world you created almost exclusively inside your head. External reality has no ultimate truth for anyone. It is a big huge massive uncomfortable set of "maybes" and grey areas. But it IS easier to deal with a world of absolutes. It's more comfortable and comforting.
lindya Posted March 1, 2006 Posted March 1, 2006 I have a masters degree so I do have both but I have met punks in the East Village that could tell me more about life than your average Harvard grad. They could tell you about their experiences of life in the East Village, and they may well be able to present very vivid accounts of experiences with the criminal underworld and other factors frequently linked to deprivation. They could also tell you a pack of lies in order to enhance their hard image. In the UK, we have an old phrase "Working Class Hero". It's often used as a term of mild insult for people who overstate the level of deprivation and hardship in their background as a means of increasing their street cred.
Pyro Posted March 1, 2006 Posted March 1, 2006 I have noticed that many women who go for badboys tend to come from strict backgrounds and lived fairly drama free but boring lives. They often come from religious families with very strict fathers so their entire lives they go for men who are the exact opposite of what daddy would like. They are stuck in a permenant rebellion phase. During their youth they felt like caged birds so as soon as they got some freedom they went wild. You know what they say about catholic school girls. The drama the badboy brings creates the excitement they have craved their entire life and it becomes an addiction even though it makes them feel bad. It is like mental crack or heroin. Also many of these women tend to come from upper class backgrounds. On the other hand most women that are more streetsmart and have experienced real drama tend to crave more stability. I don't believe that the women who go for "badboys" are limited to one or two groups. Each and every person, regardless of their background and upbringing has their own taste in what they are looking for in a spouse.
SmoochieFace Posted March 1, 2006 Posted March 1, 2006 They could also tell you a pack of lies in order to enhance their hard image. In the UK, we have an old phrase "Working Class Hero". It's often used as a term of mild insult for people who overstate the level of deprivation and hardship in their background as a means of increasing their street cred. So what do they call those who overstate their academic credentials as a means of increasing their *professional cred*?
lindya Posted March 1, 2006 Posted March 1, 2006 So what do they call those who overstate their academic credentials as a means of increasing their *professional cred*? Pseudo-intellectuals. Or fraudsters - if you're talking about people who obtain false certificates in order to work in professions they haven't trained for.
SmoochieFace Posted March 1, 2006 Posted March 1, 2006 pseudo-intellectuals. Hmmm... I was thinking *intellectual wannabees* or *liars* or... my favourite of ALL... *dumbasses*! ...
Tenorman Posted March 1, 2006 Posted March 1, 2006 "However, ultimately, you must realize that this world you created almost exclusively inside your head. External reality has no ultimate truth for anyone. It is a big huge massive uncomfortable set of "maybes" and grey areas. But it IS easier to deal with a world of absolutes. It's more comfortable and comforting." I've really enjoyed your insights blind otter but in my experience people tend to create "maybes" and "grey areas" in their head and in their lives because that is more comfortable and comforting (not to mention slippery) than the "ultimate truth" which is waiting outside their doors to kick their arses if they ever decide to venture out with eyes wide open whether they be street smart or book smart. But hey maybe that is just my skewed perception from my own dumbarse experiences and I certainly can't speak for catholic school girls which I suppose was the original premise of this thread...
lindya Posted March 1, 2006 Posted March 1, 2006 Hmmm... I was thinking *intellectual wannabees* or *liars* or... my favourite of ALL... *dumbasses*! ... Off Topic, we have a political satire magazine in the UK called Private Eye, containing a section called "Pseud's corner". Basically, readers will send in any pseudo-intellectual waffle they have found in the press....and those readers whose contributions are published receive £10. Here is an example from the latest online edition: It’s the same with the wonderful Monogram, the stuffed Angora goat Rauschenberg found in an office supply store on 23rd Street in the early 1950s and encircled with a car tyre. One looks at it remembering that the goat is an archetypal symbol of lust, so Monogram is the most powerful image of anal intercourse ever to emerge from the rank
Author Woggle Posted March 1, 2006 Author Posted March 1, 2006 When I was living in the Village most people there were actually quirte happy with their bohemian existance. Much better than the suburbs where you have a bunch of people trying to keep up with the Joneses but are miserable. That is why I can't wait to move to San Francisco. I like the city.
Chump64 Posted March 2, 2006 Posted March 2, 2006 Woggle, what is your master's in? However, ultimately, you must realize that this world you created almost exclusively inside your head. This is true for every single one of us. That's something that Woggle needs to realize. Most of us can understand that peoples' experience and education shapes how they view the world. Woggle seems to think that his view of the world is true and correct, and everyone else is deceived.
Chump64 Posted March 2, 2006 Posted March 2, 2006 Much better than the suburbs where you have a bunch of people trying to keep up with the Joneses but are miserable. That is why I can't wait to move to San Francisco. I like the city Are you familiar with SF? Do you really think it is somehow free from the "keep up with the Joneses" mentality? That area is full of super high income yuppie types who flock to private schools, drive Hummers and put plasma TVs in their todders' bedrooms. You really can't be anything BUT high income to live there (especially with a family).
Outcast Posted March 2, 2006 Posted March 2, 2006 You can spend your life categorizing people into groups of 'inferior to me'', 'very inferior to me'' and 'extremely inferior to me' and then cackle among yourselves at how superior and wonderful you truly are. And entirely miss the irony.
ReluctantRomeo Posted March 2, 2006 Posted March 2, 2006 So when are you going to publish your findings in a peer reviewed journal, woggle? Tough call. The Journal of Misogynistic Prejudice has an enormous backlog of original research to get through and Woggle is loath to damage his academic credentials by going straight to the mass-market with Anger and Angermen Monthly.
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