Woggle Posted February 13, 2006 Posted February 13, 2006 Well, if this was a man talking about how unreasonable females are, there would be 5 chicks screaming sexism. I just thought I'd throw it out there in an attempt to change the double-standard, but it didn't work. You come off as too whiny. I am hard as hell on the females sometimes but even if people don't like me they respect me. I could care less about being seen as a misogynist and people know that. People sense when you don't give a damn about what they think and they respect that. If people call me sexist so be it.
Woggle Posted February 13, 2006 Posted February 13, 2006 Can you define mysogynist ? One who hates women. I may have disdain for a large part of the female gender but I hate no woman for just being a woman. Every woman starts out with a clean slate with me but most let me down.
Mary3 Posted February 13, 2006 Posted February 13, 2006 Soooo thats what it means...So most women start off fresh like a daisy until they do something dastardly to you and let you down ? Then you hate them ? Or ?? God, for me that would be like living in a closed box and afraid to come out for fear of what men might do. Yes there are jerks and users and players ( of both sexes ) but hey life is NOW. I take the risk and step out as much as possible...So if you have a general hate of the populice of women how do you think you will ever find happiness ?
Woggle Posted February 13, 2006 Posted February 13, 2006 Soooo thats what it means...So most women start off fresh like a daisy until they do something dastardly to you and let you down ? Then you hate them ? Or ?? God, for me that would be like living in a closed box and afraid to come out for fear of what men might do. Yes there are jerks and users and players ( of both sexes ) but hey life is NOW. I take the risk and step out as much as possible...So if you have a general hate of the populice of women how do you think you will ever find happiness ? I found happiness and love but she is an exception.
cygny Posted February 13, 2006 Posted February 13, 2006 What woggle doesn't get is that the feminazi at work he hates so much is an exact mirror image of him. bitter and hateful towards the opposite sex because of being mistreated. yet instead of having empathy for her, because men have mistreated her (just as women have mistreated him) he tries to destroy her out of his own bitterness and ego. following his logic, women should trap and destroy woggle, to "teach him a lesson". same with mr. sincere--what a load of egotistical crap! you guys need some therapy! no joking!!
Woggle Posted February 13, 2006 Posted February 13, 2006 What woggle doesn't get is that the feminazi at work he hates so much is an exact mirror image of him. bitter and hateful towards the opposite sex because of being mistreated. yet instead of having empathy for her, because men have mistreated her (just as women have mistreated him) he tries to destroy her out of his own bitterness and ego. following his logic, women should trap and destroy woggle, to "teach him a lesson". same with mr. sincere--what a load of egotistical crap! you guys need some therapy! no joking!! 9 times out of 10 the women in my life have proved me right. Even my own mother treated me like a piece of garbage just because I was a boy. Do you really think that having her abuse me, beat me till I was bleeding and then have listen to her and her feminazi friends plot genocide against the male gender would not have some effect on me? Then to go through the crap with me ex wife. It'a miracle i'm not some Ted Bundy kind of murderer. At the same time I am trying to get past this. I know it is not fair to paint all women with the same brush because there are many good women out there. I don't think women are evil by nature but our society has made them this way and many women don't even buy into the crap. I also need to let go of this because I have a great woman in my life right now and she would not deserve the bitterness I apologized to all of the women I played except the feminazi because she deserved it. She had it coming and she is not the one I work with right now. She was an executive that bragged about ruining her male employee's lives. She needed to get took down a few notches. I have grown a lot but I still refuse to be a doormat. That I will never be.
lindya Posted February 13, 2006 Posted February 13, 2006 There is a double standard in the dating world when it comes to the "little princesses" of the world vs the evil scary man. But I don't worry too much about it, I.... ...chuckle bitterly in the knowledge that the chubby girl who mimicked puking gestures after I tried to kiss her last week isn't a millionth as good looking as the awesome girls in my porn collection??
justagirliegirl Posted February 13, 2006 Posted February 13, 2006 I found happiness and love but she is an exception. ...until she does something to get knocked off the pedestal you have her on. Then she will be an evil woman just like the rest?
Woggle Posted February 13, 2006 Posted February 13, 2006 ...until she does something to get knocked off the pedestal you have her on. Then she will be an evil woman just like the rest? She is not perfect but admits her faults. I respect her for that.
BlahBlahQueen Posted February 13, 2006 Posted February 13, 2006 9 times out of 10 the women in my life have proved me right. Even my own mother treated me like a piece of garbage just because I was a boy. Do you really think that having her abuse me, beat me till I was bleeding and then have listen to her and her feminazi friends plot genocide against the male gender would not have some effect on me? Then to go through the crap with me ex wife. It'a miracle i'm not some Ted Bundy kind of murderer. Christ, Woggle, I'm sorry. But you know you have to make yourself bigger than all that instead of letting it make you as bad as them.
Mary3 Posted February 14, 2006 Posted February 14, 2006 My concern is this ~ I once went out with a man who said " My mother is a Whore " I was shocked and laughed at what he said but he was not laughing. Through knowing this man I quickly put him in the friendz zone because he was the most extreme form of narcissistic and bitter man I have ever known. He owned guns and was very rude when the occasion presented itself. He hated his mother to a high degree. He never mentioned what she did to him but he did say she was a Bitch and she remarried 5 times so I have to assume she was quite pretty as he was very handsome.( weird logic I guess ) It was a shame that this tall gorgeous man had these hateful damaging things inside himself. He was also bipoloar and had panic disorder ( he admitted to taking meds for this ) I wonder if the Panic Disorder was as a direct result of the abuse his mother put on him ? And the Bi polar too. ? Not knowing enough about either I am not sure. A good friend of mine was sexually abused ( I didnt find out til she was 18 ) by her father. She suffered panic disorder and depression through most of her life. My concern is that your mother treated you horribly and I dont believe you have gotten * beyond * that. I know it would take intense therapy. My father whom I detested for the most part still haunts alot of what I do and what I make sure I DONT do ~ because I want to not mimic his life and what he did to us. I know there are still factors that come up and I have spent the better part of my life trying to get beyond those things. I loved my mom btw But I cant say its easy Woggle. I can tell you I was abused by someone in a relationship but I dont hate men for it. I have been out of that abusive relationship 8 years.~~ I just would like to see you heal in such a way that you dont have your present girlfriend on a skewer ready to cook her when she does something wrong. I think the damage can be a lifetime but we can turn it around . Just because your mom was awful and my dad was hard pri** does not mean that all parents were like ours. So as you are an adult now, you have to chase your ghosts away. Wouldnt it have been neat to have a great loving mom ? Wouldnt it have been awesome if I had a super caring dad ? Well we didnt and we can't change our childhood but we can do a HELL of alot as adults to try to live a normal life
cygny Posted February 14, 2006 Posted February 14, 2006 At the same time I am trying to get past this. I know it is not fair to paint all women with the same brush because there are many good women out there. I don't think women are evil by nature but our society has made them this way and many women don't even buy into the crap. I also need to let go of this because I have a great woman in my life right now and she would not deserve the bitterness I apologized to all of the women I played except the feminazi because she deserved it. She had it coming and she is not the one I work with right now. She was an executive that bragged about ruining her male employee's lives. She needed to get took down a few notches. I have grown a lot but I still refuse to be a doormat. That I will never be. i am really glad you realize this. but woggle, dear, you will never get past this until you CAN empathize with this woman who really is an exact mirror image of you. i have listened to your putrid bitterness toward women now for over a month, and believe me, if i was like you, i would find a way to take you down a few notches too, saying you deserved it. you won't get past your bitterness until you can see how people become bitter--you know how it happened for you, so why can't you imagine that a man did something horrible to this woman too--it was probably her own father who abused her, as well as many men who did not want to see her succeed because of jealousy. you don't need to be a doormat to see that, any more than i am a doormat for seeing how you got that way. it would make you a bigger man, not a doormat.
cygny Posted February 14, 2006 Posted February 14, 2006 ...chuckle bitterly in the knowledge that the chubby girl who mimicked puking gestures after I tried to kiss her last week isn't a millionth as good looking as the awesome girls in my porn collection?? :lmao: :lmao:
cygny Posted February 14, 2006 Posted February 14, 2006 I make a statement at the hypocrisy of woman while knowing deep inside, it'll take 5 women to equate the strength of 1 of me. It'll take 3 women to equate the brilliance of mechanically solving an issue while it'll take 1 of me. it won't take quite a whole woman to equate the brilliance of you, believe me!
Woggle Posted February 14, 2006 Posted February 14, 2006 i am really glad you realize this. but woggle, dear, you will never get past this until you CAN empathize with this woman who really is an exact mirror image of you. i have listened to your putrid bitterness toward women now for over a month, and believe me, if i was like you, i would find a way to take you down a few notches too, saying you deserved it. you won't get past your bitterness until you can see how people become bitter--you know how it happened for you, so why can't you imagine that a man did something horrible to this woman too--it was probably her own father who abused her, as well as many men who did not want to see her succeed because of jealousy. you don't need to be a doormat to see that, any more than i am a doormat for seeing how you got that way. it would make you a bigger man, not a doormat. The difference is that I now realize I was wrong and I don't hurt innocent women right now. There were 2 other women that I really felt bad about plus she is ruining people's lives. To be quite honest most of my female friends would be shocked to read some of the things I post here. I actually get along well with the women I work with except that one and nobody can stand her. This board is a great place to vent and that is what I use it for. As for empathizing with her in a way I do but it doesn't give her the right to hurt others. Maybe by getting a taste of her own medicine she finally learned what it felt like. Believe it or not I used a whole lot more hateful than I am now.
Woggle Posted February 14, 2006 Posted February 14, 2006 As for having my fiance on a skewer I don't think that will happen. I have never in my life had a relationship with a woman this close and open. She is not perfect because nobody is but she is truly a beautiful person on the inside and out. In 6 months she has opened up parts of me I thought were long gone.
cygny Posted February 14, 2006 Posted February 14, 2006 The difference is that I now realize I was wrong and I don't hurt innocent women right now. There were 2 other women that I really felt bad about plus she is ruining people's lives. To be quite honest most of my female friends would be shocked to read some of the things I post here. I actually get along well with the women I work with except that one and nobody can stand her. This board is a great place to vent and that is what I use it for. As for empathizing with her in a way I do but it doesn't give her the right to hurt others. Maybe by getting a taste of her own medicine she finally learned what it felt like. Believe it or not I used a whole lot more hateful than I am now. no it doesn't give her the right to hurt others but you need to get past this and the only way you will is by empathizing more and letting go of the smug gloating about how you took her down--it is the same thing as her gloating about the men she's hurt. the exact same thing.
Woggle Posted February 14, 2006 Posted February 14, 2006 no it doesn't give her the right to hurt others but you need to get past this and the only way you will is by empathizing more and letting go of the smug gloating about how you took her down--it is the same thing as her gloating about the men she's hurt. the exact same thing. Yeah maybe you are right and before I met my fiance I was on the path to becoming like her. In fact I was on my way to becoming like my mother who has a pathological hatred of men and my grandfather was a monster. In many ways maybe I am not much different from my mother and maybe I need to break the cycle.
cygny Posted February 14, 2006 Posted February 14, 2006 Yeah maybe you are right and before I met my fiance I was on the path to becoming like her. In fact I was on my way to becoming like my mother who has a pathological hatred of men and my grandfather was a monster. In many ways maybe I am not much different from my mother and maybe I need to break the cycle. now you're talking--think about it this way--if your fiance turns out to have played you, because she saw your bitterness and wanted to take you down a notch --do you think that would teach you a lesson? or make you even more bitter and less able to trust women?
Woggle Posted February 14, 2006 Posted February 14, 2006 now you're talking--think about it this way--if your fiance turns out to have played you, because she saw your bitterness and wanted to take you down a notch --do you think that would teach you a lesson? or make you even more bitter and less able to trust women? It probably make even more of a misogynost. I must admit you do make a good point here.
cygny Posted February 14, 2006 Posted February 14, 2006 It probably make even more of a misogynost. I must admit you do make a good point here. and..if your grandfather is a monster...well, that's probably how your mother got to be the way she was...that's what you were saying, i think, and i agree...she learned to hate men because of what he was doing to her...so even though the way she treated you was horrible, maybe now you can at least see how she got that way, and empathize with her on that level, and grieve for the mother she could have been, if she had not been abused...
Woggle Posted February 14, 2006 Posted February 14, 2006 and..if your grandfather is a monster...well, that's probably how your mother got to be the way she was...that's what you were saying, i think, and i agree...she learned to hate men because of what he was doing to her...so even though the way she treated you was horrible, maybe now you can at least see how she got that way, and empathize with her on that level, and grieve for the mother she could have been, if she had not been abused... I can understand why she is that way but it does not justify her abusing her own son. Nothing excuses that. I can empathize while still condmening her actions and I should have been removed from that home and put somewhere else.
cygny Posted February 14, 2006 Posted February 14, 2006 I can understand why she is that way but it does not justify her abusing her own son. Nothing excuses that. I can empathize while still condmening her actions and I should have been removed from that home and put somewhere else. yes. it does not justify it. not in a million years. but she never got the help she needed to turn things around. she should have been removed from her home too. and... the abuse you got from her does not justify you abusing other women, including the feminazi. it just spreads the spirit of abuse even more. and if you can imagine those two women as little girls, getting yelled at, hit, and abused by men who were bigger and stronger and arrogant and cruel, you can feel some sorrow for what they endured, and how that hardened them.
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