Curmudgeon Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 You presume too much, Kat. Actually, I'm quite aware of and sensitive to cultural competency. I have to be in my profession. Having lived in four other countries in which I was decidedly the minority, it's also my natural inclination. However, I still maintain that an overly abundant degree of whay constitutes acceptable workds and phrases vs. what it not acceptable any longer is a direct result of political correctness run amock. It's fear based more than anything else.
clandestinidad Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 uuuummmm.....yessss, Alpha, we did. But not all African-American's do this. Some people with open minds and open hearts dont. But this also goes back to the point I was trying to make earlier: Not all people within any racial groups do the same things or behave the same ways as everyone else. It has to do with your moral fiber, your compassion, your maturity, your values, your opinions. To generalize groups so widely is wrong. The people that the OP was talking about might just have bad attitudes and immaturity. That might change in 5 years, who knows. But to say that they act like that b/c they are black girls is very wrong. White girls, Filipino girls, Indian girls, etc have the same attitudes if they are mean-spirited and immature.
clandestinidad Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 I'm totally thrown off as to how people could say that the term "Negro" to describe someone isnt offensive to them. Even Wikipedia illustrates the issue: "When Europeans began colonizing the Western Hemisphere and brought slaves from West Africa, the term "negro" was applied to describe them. The term was usually distinct from the concept of "African" which was also used in colonial America to refer to the inhabitants of that continent. Negro was applied to the descendants of Africans in the British colonies." They didnt call them Africans anymore. They werent even allowed to retain their heritage. To call an African-American/Black "Negro" IS offensive, whether youre obsessed with political correctness or not
alphamale Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 To generalize groups so widely is wrong. would it be a "generalization", KAT23, to say that Nazis were bad people? would it be a "generalization" to say that most italians like pasta? is it a "generalization" to say that many ppl of asian descent are shorter than people of european descent?
a4a Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 Last night while I was out in my very tame watering hole: I returned from the bathroom to find a woman in my seat sitting next to my H, I tapped her lightly on the shoulder and politely said "excuse me that is my seat" (my food was even there) she responded very snotty : I was gonna get up anyway..... She sneered at me... I got the lip knurl and the eyebrow from her Then there is a dollar bill sitting there as well..... come to find out while I was in the bathroom some dude came up and just took a cigarette out of my pack right the f*** in front of my H! My H sad What the hell are you doing those are my wives cigs. Guy went to put it back in my pack after he already stuck it in his f***in mouth! Then went on to apologize and bitch that the bar did not stock menthol cigs, how awful they are for not doing so, it was a racial thing to not stock menthols, and slung a buck on the bar to pay for the cig he got busted stealing........ this guy was black as well. We are very good customers there, The food is excellent! I was aghast that this crap would ever happen there. The occassional sloppy drunk yes... but never a nasty attitude. This was a Irish pub with 99% white patrons, but turning into a "black" hangout. As I understand it from the bartender and the owner it is actually becoming a OK Corral of sorts. They are having problems with blacks coming in and doing things similar and worse to white patrons and the staff. If my H and I were black do you think they would have pulled the same crap they did with us? BTW I do not dislike blacks but I honestly feel as if they are bullying whites in this bar. Spoke to the owner about this on the way out the door, the cig thief was dealt with by a bouncer......This is a historic bar with regulars that have come there for eons...... damn shame a couple of A-holes can ruin it for so many people. 1
clandestinidad Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 I was at a great party one night a few years ago. It was at the apartment of a couple of guy friends. I was pretty drunk, got up from my chair for a few seconds, and some girl sat down in it. I potitely said, "Oh I was sitting there" She gave me huge attitude, dirty looks and said "But you got up". I said "Just for 2 seconds and I was still right here in front of it" She said "Too bad" I said "Why would you do this?!" She said "Because I'M THE BITCH!!" It continued, and we nearly got in a physical fight, but my friends took me somewhere else. Guess what race she was...... Hispanic-American And I've known plenty of people in other races with the same bad attitudes (white included). I dont know why people focus on a racial group and attribute bad attitudes to them, when they occur in EVERY racial group. I'm pretty sure there are white 'bar bullies' in other places, too. People with bad attitudes are everywhere. Sometimes I have a bad attitude. Sometimes in middle school my group of friends and I had HORRIBLE attitudes....and I surely hope that people of other races I encountered dont make the assumption/generalization that 'all or most white girls are bitches with bad attitudes" 1
alphamale Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 I was at a great party one night a few years ago. It was at the apartment of a couple of guy friends. I was pretty drunk, got up from my chair for a few seconds, and some girl sat down in it. this happend to me a few yrs ago....I was at a swanky upscale bar with some friends and it was packed with people. I was sitting at the bar. Three negroes came in, two tough-looking men and one attractive woman, probably around 35.... I get up to go to the bathroom and when i come back 5 min later she's sitting in my seat with the two dudes standing next to her. I say: " excuse me but i was sitting there and there are my smokes and my drink to prove it." she gives me this bad attitude bullkrap and says "yo' name ain't on the chair".....now, i know these dudes are gonna beat the krap outta me and i'm drunk so i said back to her "well, sister, i'm the co-owner of the place and i sit where i want!!!" (i was bullshyting her)... then one of her dudes says to her "say, yo, what dat fool saying to you?!?!". she says back to him: "nothin'... leave him alone nigga" then she got up and I told her to sit back down and gave her the seat. I just wanted to burn her. Funny thing was, about an hour later when her and her posse was leaving she hands me her card and said sorry.... but then again she thought i co-owned the bar. i got away with it cause i was a regular there and the bartenders knew me and a lot of people in the place knew me too. and i have that authoratative air about me 1
RainyDayWoman Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 i was at a pizza place. a big group of people walked in, who happened to black, and sat down at a table next to us. a corner booth opened up before our food came. since we prefer booths to tables, and only sat at the table because that was what was available, we asked if we could move when the booth opened up. so we moved. afterward, all we heard about it from the table of black people was how the ignorant white people couldn't sit down next to them. we must hate them, we can't even handle the black people even sitting next to us, and we're probably scared, not to mention rude and stupid and racist. i ended up going over to them and telling them that we moved because we prefer a booth, and that i didn't appreciate their remarks. one of the quieter women actually said "i apologize for some of the things they are saying. this happens to us a lot, and i guess sometimes it just gets to us." i said i understood, and i accepted her apology, but that that kind of attitude only increases the amount of people would genuinely want to move simply because they are black. she said "i know. it's a vicious cycle." and it is. and i don't know about the rest of the table, but i really think that woman and i understood each other that day. for some problems, the issue is pertaining to race, not this "it could be anybody of any race at any time" kind of thing. i don't think a white table would have been so annoyed if we moved. i don't think the black people would have given a shyt if we were black and moved tables. races exist. ignoring it doesn't make it go away, and pretending the problems that arise out of these issues could come from anywhere certainly doesn't eradicate the problem.
LexiB Posted February 5, 2006 Posted February 5, 2006 I hate having to get serious on LS but A4A, RainydayWoman, Alpha... How the hell did this become a share all your "bad black experiences" thread?? Sh*t happens guys. I'm not saying that it's right ~ the situations you all described are horrible, I agree. But what do you really hope to accomplish by ganging up and posting stories about how black people have harmed you? Wanna create an online support group? I've have sh*tty experiences with black people too...I've also had sh*tty experiences with white people, and hispanic people...not to mention the REAL sh*tty time I had with these 2 Philipino girls...what's your point? As Kat and a few others have repeatedly tried to explain, race isn't the main issue here. Some PEOPLE just suck. How about we try to deal with that? ugh, where did I put that whiskey... 1
hooghie Posted February 5, 2006 Posted February 5, 2006 There is quite a bit of disturbing racism going on here. I can list the many rude, obnoxious, low class, voilent, etc., experiences I've had and witnessed with white people, but that would make me the same as you. I choose to judge people as individuals.
RainyDayWoman Posted February 5, 2006 Posted February 5, 2006 As Kat and a few others have repeatedly tried to explain, race isn't the main issue here. Some PEOPLE just suck. How about we try to deal with that? the point of my story was to show that race IS , sometimes, the main issue. which you would have seen, had you truly read my post. as for kat's story, alpha's story, or anyone else...i can't speak for them, obviously. i do agree that some people just suck. that's a given, unfortunately. but often, the "people sucking" is for a reason, and until the reason is confronted, it won't go away. lexi, don't apologize for getting serious....this is serious. i love how quickly people like to slap the word "racist" on someone else. wanting people to be equal, all people, is not being a racist. knowing that a problem can be race-oriented alone is not being a racist. hating all people because they are or look a certain way is racist. it's time to stop the branding, because it's getting ridiculous. i've already had hooghie say he doesn't want to be the same way as me...meaning he's already labled me. it's too bad people can't see past the presumed racism to get to the real message. that's what i was trying to do.
LexiB Posted February 5, 2006 Posted February 5, 2006 RDW, I'm not implying that you (or anyone else) is racist, but a very disturbing pattern was begining to emerge in this thread. "I was in a bar and then these black ppl..." "Same here, this black girl..." "That happened to me too! This group of black guys..." See what I mean? I understand your point ~ sometimes behavior is affected by race. But seriously, it's a bit diffcult not to get defensive when all the negative examples are of one particular racial group. I cld start a thread about "Groups of Elderly White women" and "why they "always" clutch their purses a bit closer to them when any one black comes by" and have everyone share their experiences with that (Don't worry, I won't...at least not for a while! ) Every group of people has their little nuances. If we're really going to adress this issue it has to be in full ~ you can't talk about one without mentioning any others... at least if you're expecting no one to take offense.
Touche Posted February 5, 2006 Posted February 5, 2006 Don't worry about it Rainy. It was a powerful message indeed and some of us got it. Very thought provoking story.
RainyDayWoman Posted February 5, 2006 Posted February 5, 2006 RDW, Every group of people has their little nuances. If we're really going to adress this issue it has to be in full ~ you can't talk about one without mentioning any others... at least if you're expecting no one to take offense. i get what you're saying...i really do. in the same breath, though, if you had a thread about little old white women, a discussion of black people wouldn't really be relevant. this was specifically about groups black people...now i am unsure why, as the original poster has gone on hiatus from this thread. in any case, i'm done here. i do think it is getting insulting, and i don't want to be a part of it, not to mention i hate being misunderstood...and it's so freaking hard to make people get at what you're saying when you have to type...
LexiB Posted February 5, 2006 Posted February 5, 2006 in any case, i'm done here. i do think it is getting insulting, and i don't want to be a part of it, not to mention i hate being misunderstood...and it's so freaking hard to make people get at what you're saying when you have to type... Agreed. *reaches for the vodka this time*
RainyDayWoman Posted February 5, 2006 Posted February 5, 2006 Agreed. *reaches for the vodka this time* try it with red bull....yummmmmmm.
Author Brittanyjean06 Posted February 5, 2006 Author Posted February 5, 2006 My post was not ment to be cruel.....IF I WANT TO ask a question i will ask a question, Would you have liked me to lie and twist the words around.......only to get a a responce i did not want! You shoulden't have gotten so effensive over my post, i am not racist nor am i sterotypical.. I have noticed it between blacks, Not GUYS but girls...if you had been a guy??? would have been effended....any one in this world can be cruel...no matter what color, or whatever.....but there are no groups of white people at my school who are Out of line with people for no reason??? and if they were i would ask it about them. but i had to ask, i will not argue over this thing, over nonsence! i asked a question.... and wanted a response thank you for your responses
Author Brittanyjean06 Posted February 5, 2006 Author Posted February 5, 2006 I will qoute everyone i say in here bye their race...so i don't just effend one race... My white friend, got at it with a black girl---who was in her class...and my friend stuck up for her self....this black girl....said to her" oh white bitches gettin tougher now and days"...what does that tell you???... I guess it is just types of groups, say black groups...white stuck up girl groups..jocky groups ex.... so yeah each group basically sucks....i guess it is insecurities but i don't know what goes through peoples heads when they are starting crap with people for nO APARENT REASON!!!!
HokeyReligions Posted February 5, 2006 Posted February 5, 2006 Why is it that a phrase can be used by one race and be perfectly OK, but when used by another race it is considered racism? Who is separating the races the most? Is it the white people or the black people? (not talking about other races here because it seems to be most troublesome between black and white) Some black people used to be the slaves of some white people. Some white people used to be slaves of some other white people - they were called endentured servants. If I could trace my roots to that of an endentured servent from whom should I demand restitution? There are definate cultural and social lines that run along the same race lines and are often confused and mixed together. Why is acknolweding the social and cultural differences racism? Why do some people within the black race put down or ostrasize others in the black race when those others try to improve themselves and get ahead in life? I've heard some black kids coming down on other black kids with negative and sarcastic statements like "why are you trying to be like whitey?" Why is there a black history month and not a white history month? Shouldn't we just have an American History Month? Why doesn't the NAACP shout about judging others not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character? They pick and choose other parts of MLKs speech, but that one doesn't get much air time in the news. Why does the NAACP even still exist? Why don't they morph into the National Association for the Advancement of People and stop continuing the divide? If they want the betterment for their own people wouldn't leading by example - the example being the inclusion of ALL people - send a stronger message to those white people they feel are holding them back? There are too few people of color who succeed in THEIR OWN life and those who do fight not just against racism from white people, but from their own people's prejudice holding them back. We are all different. Celebrate it without needing to belittle the other.
Author Brittanyjean06 Posted February 5, 2006 Author Posted February 5, 2006 Yes i can see how its wrong i people qoute things as a particular group.......but what if i hadn't noticed any other groups that have been cruel except for blacks??? Yes i have seen people be mean, But what i have noticed through out my high school years....was groups of black people doing this, and just simply being mean i see how you are trying to make points kat.....but i am not looking for analyzations of things or how you view things...I asked one question... pertaining to one group, race because i've only noticed it within a group of black girls......Not boys...just the girls...I understand everyone likes to have this long conversation on their beliefs....but sometimes that does not help.......because no one is going to make you think any differently....and nothing comes out of that? Now since i have only noticed it with in one group, im not going to rephrase the question at all...If i wanted this thread to be a debate..the subject would have been on a debate....people ask questions...dont answer a question with a question or things like" thats inconsidirate!!! please...i am a very considerate person......
whichwayisup Posted February 5, 2006 Posted February 5, 2006 Why is it that a phrase can be used by one race and be perfectly OK, but when used by another race it is considered racism? Why is it OK for French Canadians to bash and say rotten things about English speaking Canadians and it's no big deal. An English speaking Canadian says something slightly out of line about a French Canadian and holy s***, they wanna separate. They want to be equal..But abit more equal! WTF is that? Let them separate and become part of the States. They want to be a "distinct" society, fine...Give the Indian's back their land, (which is a HUGE part of Quebec) and GO...See how long they last. NO offense to any French Canadians here...I just don't get the "equal" part in all this.
alphamale Posted February 5, 2006 Posted February 5, 2006 Why is there a black history month and not a white history month? because, HOKEY, every month is already a white history month....
BUTAFLY Posted February 5, 2006 Posted February 5, 2006 Kat your my hero!! I always wanted to be a fly on the wall listen to what white people a had to say about other races. I guess things haven't changed much in 50 years. and what is really sad, these are a bunch of high schoolers ...the cycle will never end.
TeaCooler Posted February 5, 2006 Posted February 5, 2006 races will never be equal until we stop singling groups out for things. i agree, there shouldn't be an naacp; it's another point of separation, not to mention there is no naawp. i understand why it started. fine. but if you want equality, you don't get what others do not. black history month, the black frats and clubs on campus. i think most people lie when they say they want equality, because even individually we want more than the person next to us, regardless of their color.
RainyDayWoman Posted February 5, 2006 Posted February 5, 2006 Kat your my hero!! I always wanted to be a fly on the wall listen to what white people a had to say about other races. I guess things haven't changed much in 50 years. and what is really sad, these are a bunch of high schoolers ...the cycle will never end. i know i said i wasn't posting anymore. but i wanted to clarify that i'm not in high school, and i see a lot of thinly-veiled discrimination in your post, which is so very ironic. have fun with this one, guys.
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