Brittanyjean06 Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 I don't want to affend anyone on this site , who is of a different race or what not, but i am curious on this topic...and noticed it only within groups of well black girls. Why do they always feel a need, to be cruel to you, nag at you for no apparent reason? I meen literally always have something to say about someone..and get annoyed constantly...there are these one particular group of girls, who i have a class with---and i notice they are just plane out mean and they know they can get away with it? I meen no body starts in with these people...and they will go on and on...could it be insecuritie problems within themselves?? Im not saying all blacks...but most at my school tend to have big problems with everyone, FOR NO REASON??? I could never stand up for my self, just because i get nervous easily i just want some answers... 1
RainyDayWoman Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 I don't want to affend anyone on this site , who is of a different race or what not, but i am curious on this topic...and noticed it only within groups of well black girls. Why do they always feel a need, to be cruel to you, nag at you for no apparent reason? I meen literally always have something to say about someone..and get annoyed constantly...there are these one particular group of girls, who i have a class with---and i notice they are just plane out mean and they know they can get away with it? I meen no body starts in with these people...and they will go on and on...could it be insecuritie problems within themselves?? Im not saying all blacks...but most at my school tend to have big problems with everyone, FOR NO REASON??? I could never stand up for my self, just because i get nervous easily i just want some answers... it's like that at my school too. i had an ethnic lit class that, everytime, turned into a racism debate, including the demands of apologies (because of slavery) from all the whites in the room. which of course, they didn't get, cause homey don't play dat. it juuust doesn't work that way. you should stand up for yourself. no one has the right to make you uncomfortable for any reason, race-related or otherwise. the only problem you run into is having a disagreement turned "racially motivated" even though it's really about attitude, not colour. funny how things get twisted like that. did i say funny? i meant ridiculous. people who don't want to be treated a certain way, shouldn't treat people that same certain way.
alphamale Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 it's like that at my school too. i had an ethnic lit class that, everytime, turned into a racism debate, including the demands of apologies (because of slavery) from all the whites in the room. well RDW...one must admit that the treatment of negroes in America has not been that great for the past 300+ years. That bad treatment is a large reason of why they are the way they are. If you go to many other countries besides the US, you'll see that people of African descent are quite normal and well adjusted.
Author Brittanyjean06 Posted February 3, 2006 Author Posted February 3, 2006 There just bully's , some are...I'm not saying it is just blacks....but groups of black girls( not all)..the bulleys tend to be majority blacks. Yeah, but i feel like things would go better if i just shutup...if i do stick up for my self ill just get shaky... I meen, its not that we have debates--they just get on anyone!! they will make fun of their looks, cop attitudes so easily...even if you don't talk to them the whole period witch i dont, they will just look at you and say stuff and just i don't know. people can be a**h***s honestly
RainyDayWoman Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 well RDW...one must admit that the treatment of negroes in America has not been that great for the past 300+ years. That bad treatment is a large reason of why they are the way they are. If you go to many other countries besides the US, you'll see that people of African descent are quite normal and well adjusted. the treatment a lot of these people get isn't always someone else's fault, though. not every single person in any group should be protected by that blanket. there are morons, a-holes, jerks, and sluts of all colours, unfortunately. i had a family member murdered in front of me by a man, and i don't hate all men. i wouldn't expect an apology from you, much less demand it. it's nice to know it's not like this everywhere. comforting. i would like to liev wherever that is, because i am frigging sick of the hypocrisy. i just don't get the whole "you have to like to me, but i can hate you and that's fair." it's not fair. i just want to get along, and sometimes, it's made very difficult. and many of my black friends, as well as other colour friends, agree. racism is a two-way-street. and brittany, i see what you're saying now. they just clique together, right? i think that's like that it any group, really, it just depends on what the content of their nastiness is.
flowergirl Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 BrittanyJean, are you f***n serious with this post?! As someone who's half-black, your thoughts on this offended me, and I don't get offended by much of anything. These are generalizations based on ethnicity and race, and ya know what, in the real world, that's called at least prejudice if not outright racism.
RainyDayWoman Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 BrittanyJean, are you f***n serious with this post?! As someone who's half-black, your thoughts on this offended me, and I don't get offended by much of anything. These are generalizations based on ethnicity and race, and ya know what, in the real world, that's called at least prejudice if not outright racism. she's talking about specific people she knows of. just because they are black doesn't mean they're NOT doing these things and that brittany is a racist. being of a certain colour doesn't make someone infallible nor does it justify all of their actions.
Neptune Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 BrttanyJ, I cannot the expain the why of such behavior very well. but I can say you are not imagining things nor should you be intimidated when someone, quite predictably, claims to be offended when you mention such things. Many blacks in this the US have an attitude particular to the US. There is a group of blacks that have become known as the black conservative movement who recognize the destructive patterns in blacks lives and have some surprising things to say about it. These people are black. Shelby Steele, Thomas Sowell, Jesse Lee Peterson.
clandestinidad Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 I'm pretty shocked at some of the ignorant, rude racial comments in this thread. Let me point out a few: I don't want to affend anyone on this site , who is of a different race or what not You should never assume that YOUR race is the majority in a certain setting. What you said implies to others that THEY are the one's here who are different from YOU. Thats not very considerate. Why do they always feel a need, to be cruel to you, nag at you for no apparent reason? Horrible generalization followed by more of the same. This behavior is typical of all immature girls, not because of race. Im not saying all blacks...but most at my school tend to have big problems with everyone, FOR NO REASON??? This is probably just a case of group-think....where a group of people who share commalities behave and think like each other. Think about wealthy popular 'white' girls, and you'll have the same attitude. which of course, they didn't get, cause homey don't play dat. it juuust doesn't work that way. I cant believe you tried to make that joke in a racial thread funny how things get twisted like that. did i say funny? i meant ridiculous. I tried reading this in a better light, but the only way I can perceive the connotation is that its riddled with latent hostility one must admit that the treatment of negroes in America has not been that great I'm not sure African-Americans/Blacks appreciate the frivolous use of the descriptor "Negroes" I meen, its not that we have debates--they just get on anyone!! they will make fun of their looks, cop attitudes so easily...even if you don't talk to them the whole period witch i dont, they will just look at you and say stuff People of ALL racial groups do these types of behaviors. I think you just notice it more because of who its coming from. i wouldn't expect an apology from you, much less demand it. More latent hostility, especially when you add the eyeroll that you did i am frigging sick of the hypocrisy. i just don't get the whole "you have to like to me, but i can hate you and that's fair." Aaah, yes....there's some more So, I really wish some people would stop blaming bad attitudes, poor judgement, low morals/values, bad treatment, etc etc on race. These things occur in EVERYone who is lacking decency, kindness, and higher standards for themselves REGARDLESS of their race! 1
RainyDayWoman Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 I cant believe you tried to make that joke in a racial thread which is exactly why i did it. not to mention, i was a huge in living colour fan. pointing out that it's from a black show is more racial than me quoting it. who cares what colour the person was who said it? i don't. and you obviously missed the whole point of anything i said...which adds to the heart of the racial problem, because everyone thinks like you do. to me, it makes more sense to try to understand people and why they do the things they do, but apparently it makes more sense to pretend we need to live in la-la land where everyone has to like each other. i think it's bullshyt, that's all. i have black friends who agree with the same ideas i have...so what does that make them? traitors to their race? or people who understand that equal means everyone, not just one specific group, or several specific groups, but all of them. and it includes forgiveness, intolerance, acceptance on the part of everyone. but no one wants that. they want the easy way. and it's not working.
clandestinidad Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 You missed my point, which was that the issues being complained about in this thread happen in every race.
Milo Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 What, it's not OK to use the quote "Homey don't play dat" from In Living Color? Homey the Clown would be offended.
Curmudgeon Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 I'm not sure African-Americans/Blacks appreciate the frivolous use of the descriptor "Negroes" I don't find that any more objectionable than the descriptor "Caucasians" but then again, I'm not all bound up and stifled by political correctness. As early as the mid-50s mankind has been "described" by five races. A typical mid 20th century model of human racial divisions was Australoid, Capoid, Caucasoid, Mongoloid and Negroid.
lindya Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 I could never stand up for my self, just because i get nervous easily Right. So maybe instead of focusing on these girls and seeing them as the problem, you need to look inwards and try to find out what it is that makes you get nervous so easily. Are those girls able to speak up for themselves in a way that you perhaps wish you could emulate? Sometimes we resent others for having the nerve to behave in ways that we're too shy or inhibited to indulge in. If the girls in your class are behaving in a really bitchy, intimidating manner then you need to take that to the principal of your school and press for something to be done about it. I think, though, that you need to be very honest with yourself in deciding whether your feelings about this group of girls are related to their colour. If so, then the cause of - and solution to - this problem lies within you.
loony Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 I don't find that any more objectionable than the descriptor "Caucasians" but then again, I'm not all bound up and stifled by political correctness. As early as the mid-50s mankind has been "described" by five races. A typical mid 20th century model of human racial divisions was Australoid, Capoid, Caucasoid, Mongoloid and Negroid. I think the only people who still use this differentiation model are Americans. The first time I had to fill out a form and read "Caucasian" I wondered what they were refering to. For me as a European the Caucasus is a mountain chain and I have no clue what it has to do with the white race.
JayKay Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 I found other groups often acted cruel in High School as well; I saw groups of jocks (mostly white) torment a nerdy white guy I saw a group of 'popular girls' (mostly white) torment a shy, book-ish Asian girl. I saw some of the 'stoners' freeze out a freshman girl who was trying to be 'cool' and hang with them. I think it's the general High School culture; insecure teenagers band together in whatever clique they can and then make themselves feel secure by picking on the 'outsiders'
clandestinidad Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 What, it's not OK to use the quote "Homey don't play dat" from In Living Color? Homey the Clown would be offended The problem lies in the fact that the person who said it was comparing races' behaviors in her classroom. You cannot 'criticize' a group of people and then mimic/quote a phrase (turned around on them) which was coined by a person in their culture in order to be humorous. It is not perceived as humor, but as mocking/insulting. Imagine what would have happened if, during one of these debates, she said "uh-uhhh, you aint gettin no apology! Homey dont play 'dat!" They would be pissed that someone was using a culturally 'black phrase' and 'language' in order to humorously tell them that they wont get an apology from her. They would feel mocked and insulted by her. I don't find that any more objectionable than the descriptor "Caucasians" but then again, I'm not all bound up and stifled by political correctness. When was the last time you saw "Negro" on a standardized test, or questionnaire?? Have you heard African-Americans/Blacks call each other "Negro's"??? I'm guessing NO.....b/c years ago it was posted and used as a segregational term, which is offensive to them...thats why people stopped using it. I'm not bound up and stifled by political correctness, either, my friend....but I DO know that the importance of cultural sensitivity is huge, and if you're going to blame that on political correctness and refuse to do it then you have racial issues you should deal with. 1
RainyDayWoman Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 Imagine what would have happened if, during one of these debates, she said "uh-uhhh, you aint gettin no apology! you say this assuming all black people talk that way, which is a stereotype. and that white people may not talk that way, which is discrimintation. black people talk like white people all the time. i suppose i should be offended if a black person quotes a white person to me, even in jest. what an idiotic world this is.
clandestinidad Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 Oh my god...are you kidding me here?! I was taking what that poster said and illustrating a point. I never EVER said all Black people speak that way. I was using that persons example, combined with the way it was said on that show (In Living Color)....since the quote was said like that in the show, its inferred that it was said the same way in that post....especially since it was supposed to be a joke.
RainyDayWoman Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 Oh my god...are you kidding me here?! I was taking what that poster said and illustrating a point. I never EVER said all Black people speak that way. I was using that persons example, combined with the way it was said on that show (In Living Color)....since the quote was said like that in the show, its inferred that it was said the same way in that post....especially since it was supposed to be a joke. how interesting.
alphamale Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 When was the last time you saw "Negro" on a standardized test, or questionnaire?? Have you heard African-Americans/Blacks call each other "Negro's"??? I'm guessing NO.....b/c years ago it was posted and used as a segregational term, which is offensive to them...thats why people stopped using it. personally I think the term "black" is more offensive than "negro". they aren't even black, they are shades of brown.
RainyDayWoman Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 personally I think the term "black" is more offensive than "negro". they aren't even black, they are shades of brown. i don't understand how people get so offended by words. i guess i would be considered more of a peachy colour, but i don't care if i'm "white." maybe to be fair, at birth, they should compare us to a colour chart and get the exact shade. they should do this before we even take our first breath, because colour is more important than that anyway, right? and then we'll sit around and wait for that to become unfair and offensive, and have to come up with a new solution. i have carribbean friends and dominican friends who look black, and people assume they are, until they are corrected. and people say "i'm so sorry, i had no idea, i wasn't trying to be rude" and they say "hey...we look black. big deal. how is that rude?" if only all people could be like them.
clandestinidad Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 Yes, Alpha....we (my nursing school class which was predominantly Black/African-American) discussed this as well..... They went as far as to say that within their culture, they go even further with descriptions....using "Ash", "Orange", "Red", etc to talk about their skin tones. They also said that certain tones have more negative/positive ideas and attitudes attatched to them.
RainyDayWoman Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 Yes, Alpha....we (my nursing school class which was predominantly Black/African-American) discussed this as well..... They went as far as to say that within their culture, they go even further with descriptions....using "Ash", "Orange", "Red", etc to talk about their skin tones. They also said that certain tones have more negative/positive ideas and attitudes attatched to them. did you ever read ""passing" by nella larsen? it's a great book.
alphamale Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 Yes, Alpha....we (my nursing school class which was predominantly Black/African-American) discussed this as well...... ok KAT23...did y'all also discuss that even within the african-american community there is discrimination based upon how dark their skin is. for example, dark-skinned members are looked down upon by the light-skinned blacks.
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