Men need to stop being doormats

[NYCmitch25]

I don't mind being a doormat, but could you please take off your high-heels!!

[seachange]

I don't mind being a doormat, but could you please take off your high-heels!!

 

Hm, that raises a good point - some men do like this sort of thing, after all.... :laugh:

 

>>Crrracking my whip...<<

[alphamale]

Women don't respect us anymore and truth be told who will respect a doormat. We need to grow our balls back and stop taking crap. Women are not all nice and innocent and truth be told they can be worse than men. .

please see my guide to keeping women around at: http://www.loveshack.org/forums/t61606/

[RainyDayWoman]

well there is one poster on this thread who definitely has to quit crying about everything if he wants to be seen as a man...so maybe woggle isn't totally off when it comes to some "men"...or a poor excuse for what is supposed to be.

[Mz. Pixie]

It's prevalent now because of several reasons.

 

50 years ago, when your husband slept around, you looked the other way. Society didn't condone divorce- and most women were housewives and couldn't afford to support themselves anyway.

 

Same thing for abusive relationships. Your husband beat you, you just stayed and tolerated it and prayed he didn't kill you.

 

Many more women now are educated and are less likely to put up with any crap from a man. Many of them make just as much or more than their husbands and can easily afford to be on their own if the relationship isn't working.

[alphamale]

Many more women now are educated and are less likely to put up with any crap from a man. Many of them make just as much or more than their husbands and can easily afford to be on their own if the relationship isn't working.

This may be true MZ PIXIE....but in the grand scheme of things are any of these women really any better off? I mean, are they happier in general than the women 50+ years ago? I doubt it....I'd guess their lot in life is basically about the same, happiness-wise I mean.

[Nicholas]

Same thing for abusive relationships. Your husband beat you, you just stayed and tolerated it and prayed he didn't kill you.

 

Many more women now are educated and are less likely to put up with any crap from a man.

Please don't make it seem as though lacking the resources to escape domestic violence is a function of education.

[Woggle]

It's prevalent now because of several reasons.

 

50 years ago, when your husband slept around, you looked the other way. Society didn't condone divorce- and most women were housewives and couldn't afford to support themselves anyway.

 

Same thing for abusive relationships. Your husband beat you, you just stayed and tolerated it and prayed he didn't kill you.

 

Many more women now are educated and are less likely to put up with any crap from a man. Many of them make just as much or more than their husbands and can easily afford to be on their own if the relationship isn't working.

 

In other words women are just as sleazy as men when they get power yet in society the men are always seen as the bad guy. Quite honestly it's not even worth it for most men to be a good husband these days. Being a player really is an easier way of life for a man then a devotd husband because a player commits to nothing while a devoted husband commits to a woman who will probably walk out on him when she need sto go find herself. It's the truth.

[Touche]

In other words women are just as sleazy as men when they get power yet in society the men are always seen as the bad guy. Quite honestly it's not even worth it for most men to be a good husband these days. Being a player really is an easier way of life for a man then a devotd husband because a player commits to nothing while a devoted husband commits to a woman who will probably walk out on him when she need sto go find herself. It's the truth.

 

Too bad...you WERE on the right track until I saw this little gem. You need to work on yourself just a wee bit more...yes, a little more tweaking. What if your g/f saw this? I wouldn't marry a guy who thought like that.

[Woggle]

Too bad...you WERE on the right track until I saw this little gem. You need to work on yourself just a wee bit more...yes' date=' a little more tweaking. What if your g/f saw this? I wouldn't marry a guy who thought like that.[/quote']

 

It's the god's honest truth. My gf is a rare gem but the fact of the matter is that the majority of women are not trustworthy. I am sorry but they are not and that is why it is easier to be a player. My views on this speak volumes about how much I love my gf because I am willing to give up my player ways and take such a risk. The majority of women however are not worth it.

[Touche]

It's the god's honest truth. My gf is a rare gem but the fact of the matter is that the majority of women are not trustworthy. I am sorry but they are not and that is why it is easier to be a player. My views on this speak volumes about how much I love my gf because I am willing to give up my player ways and take such a risk. The majority of women however are not worth it.

 

You know what Woggle? ONE woman cannot wipe out a whole history of thinking this way. One day you will find (when this romantic stage is over) that she's a woman like any other woman. She has faults and weaknesses. Maybe not horrible ones but you will find something. And then what? Will you have an excuse to go cheat on her because women aren't trustworthy? Maybe she forget to tell you something you thought she should have told you or something...could be anything. This kind of attitude isn't wiped out with the love of ONE woman.

 

I REALLY hope you don't blow it. I'm not a big fan of women myself in all honesty, but i would NEVER go so far as to say that MOST women aren't trustworthy. I really wouldn't. Would I say that most of them are a pain in the ass? Well...truthfully yeah...but not that most are untrustworthy...No.

[Woggle]

You know what Woggle? ONE woman cannot wipe out a whole history of thinking this way. One day you will find (when this romantic stage is over) that she's a woman like any other woman. She has faults and weaknesses. Maybe not horrible ones but you will find something. And then what? Will you have an excuse to go cheat on her because women aren't trustworthy? Maybe she forget to tell you something you thought she should have told you or something...could be anything. This kind of attitude isn't wiped out with the love of ONE woman.

 

I REALLY hope you don't blow it. I'm not a big fan of women myself in all honesty, but i would NEVER go so far as to say that MOST women aren't trustworthy. I really wouldn't. Would I say that most of them are a pain in the ass? Well...truthfully yeah...but not that most are untrustworthy...No.

 

She does have her faults but she is honest about them and she can admit when she does wrong. That is what is so refreshing. So many women think they are perfect and can do no wrong and everything is the man's fault. This is not the case with her. I don't expect her to be perfect because I am not perfect myself but I expect a certain level of decency and common sense.

[Nicholas]

My favorite thing about this is that you want it to serve as a compliment to your girlfriend that you hate her much less than you hate other women.

[Touche]

My favorite thing about this is that you want it to serve as a compliment to your girlfriend that you hate her much less than you hate other women.

 

Oh Nicholas...that was PRICELESS! You must admit it Wog!

 

And Wog, concerning your g/f..you know what? What you describe is a mature person...that's how most of us become when we've matured. I'm that way too...yes, ask my hubby, but was I that way at 20 or 25? Of course not! I was what you don't like...it's just a matter of maturity. Guys are dogs in their 20's too (many, many ARE) but are MUCH better when they're older.

 

Think about it...may be just a matter of maturity and not gender.

[Woggle]

Oh Nicholas...that was PRICELESS! You must admit it Wog!

 

And Wog, concerning your g/f..you know what? What you describe is a mature person...that's how most of us become when we've matured. I'm that way too...yes, ask my hubby, but was I that way at 20 or 25? Of course not! I was what you don't like...it's just a matter of maturity. Guys are dogs in their 20's too (many, many ARE) but are MUCH better when they're older.

 

Think about it...may be just a matter of maturity and not gender.

 

That might be it. I am 27 but I am very mature for my age and my GF is 41 so that might be this is working out. I can't relate to women my age.

[NYCmitch25]

Hm, that raises a good point - some men do like this sort of thing, after all.... :laugh:

 

>>Crrracking my whip...<<

 

 

OUCH! That whip hurts soooooo bad........... (again plz) :love:

[loony]

In my opinion, a guy who thinks that the majority of women are sucking your life blood out if you're not careful is certainly not going to attract any woman who doesn't have any kind of serious issues. And it's going to be even worse, because she is so good in hiding this serious stuff (= messed up) that you are not seeing it.

 

Just my 2 cents.

[Touche]

That might be it. I am 27 but I am very mature for my age and my GF is 41 so that might be this is working out. I can't relate to women my age.

 

Well...that's a big thing to realize! REally! I mean you really sound like me. I NEVER related to guys my own age until I was well into my 30's. Even my VERY FIRST b/f was much older than me. As I got older the age gap between b/f's lessened by I was just like you and didn't even bother dating in high school at all!

[Lucasarts]

ahahahah this entire post made me laugh

 

woggle i donno what you're on but seriously dude lighten up (it seems your hatred for dominating women stems from your childhood...you had a weak father and an abusive mother) So in reality you are ashamed of your own father for not being able to stand up to your mother? so you blame the weakness of your fathers character on your own mother and of the female population. You left home at 17 and b/c you've had a bad childhood (but not the worst) you think you've matured much faster then any of your fellow peers and people around your age. The % of women who abuse their man is minimal to the amount of men beating women. Also wife beating is more focused on then the occasional husband beating b/c the media and pop culture project men to be the stronger more dominating race. The media do not want to project a strong woman and so they will not show how a man is being subdued by a *gasp* woman! The genders are far from being equal, but if anything, it should be women complaining about how our pop culture demoralize women to sex symbols/objects and asking why men are supposed to be strong, dominant, and the best.

 

Woggle your far from knowing everything there is in the world and especially about women. Your 27 for chrissakes, your just venting your anger at the people you feel most responsible for your humiliation. IMO that is cowardly and weak. Also your dating a 41 year old woman, this almost seems strange since she is so much older. Why are you datin an older woman? is it to redeem yourself and your own father that you can be the stronger man in a relationship? how old was your mother when you left home at 17? was she around her late 30's or early 40's?

 

this is just what i got from readin about your character, background and attitude in the posts you posted. I myself cannot say that i know everything b/c i am still so young...but i am not going to jump to conclusions about woman based on my own experiences. Unless i went and dated 95% of the female population in the world, i cannot make such assumptions about them. Each woman is different and in your case, your mother was a bad seed for you.

[Woggle]

I am not dating her because I want a mother figure, In fact I am probably slightly more dominant in this relationship than she is. Not that I try to be but I have a strong personality. I date her because it is the first truly equal relationship I have had and it is also the happiest. Who cares about her age when everything else is so right. I feel more at home with people twice my age than people my own age. I would rather talk aboit politics or some deep subject than talk about the latest tabloid crap. I feel like I am talking to children when I talk to some people in their 20s. I know many people my age still living with their parents and to me that is pathetic.

[lindya]

this is just what i got from readin about your character, background and attitude in the posts you posted. I myself cannot say that i know everything b/c i am still so young....

 

Sounds like a pretty good assessment to me.

 

Pissing and moaning about women all the time is about as unmanly as it gets. Any man who does it may as well write "Loser" on his forehead in big black letters - and it's a downward spiral. If a guy has a generally negative attitude towards women, it will leak out here and there constantly...and subsequent women will treat him as the loser he's made up his mind he wants to be.

 

When he justifies it with reference to the way women have treated him in the past, other people will start perceiving him as one of life's perpetual victim. Couple that with the afore-mentioned "pissing and moaning"...the next phrase that springs to mind is "passive aggressive."

 

None of which is attractive, manly or encourages women to stick around. Although it sometimes seems as if this board is full of whiny men like that, most of the regulars aren't that way. It's just that those who do whine do it damn loudly (and frequently). Gives everyone else a headache, and generally just brings a really negative atmosphere to the place...but then, putting other people on a downer is probably the only talent these people have in life.

 

Anyway - once again, Lucasarts, nice post.

[Woggle]

I am not whining I am simply pointing out facts. I am trying to help the men on this board advance. I am up here and they are down there and I am trying to bring them up here. Also what about all the women on this board that hate men?

[lindya]

I am not whining I am simply pointing out facts. I am trying to help the men on this board advance. I am up here and they are down there and I am trying to bring them up here. Also what about all the women on this board that hate men?

 

Challenging generalisations and misogynistic comments does not constitute man-hatred, feminazism or any of the other terms that sometimes get flung at any woman who openly objects to some of the ignorance on this board that masquerades as social commentary.

 

Show me a post of mine where I have made a disparaging comment about "most men", and I will apologise to "most men on the board" for it. I think you'd have difficulty, though, because I don't operate like that. If you make an ignorant comment about women, I will attribute that comment to you and not to men in general. In real life (and on this board, for this matter) I tend to get on pretty well with men. If I don't get on with a particular man then it's either down to a personality clash or it's because he's expressing views I find repugnant. I could just as easily fall out with another woman for the same reasons.

 

As to the concept of you bringing other men "up" by promoting the view that most women are liars, untrustworthy - or whatever other labels you want to put on us. How on earth is that sort of attitude going to brighten anyone's day? Most people do hope that eventually they'll meet a partner who is right for them. To do that, they may well need to learn to compromise and to accept other people's imperfections.

 

I think you've got a long way to go before you're in a position to give others unbiased advice. Your own issues are still cluttering up the table - and the fact that you can't recognise that shows just how much work you still need to do on yourself.

[Outcast]

I am trying to bring them up here.

 

The only thing 'up' about this set of rants is the extremely elevated opinion of self held by their perpetrator. People who seek to make themselves feel superior by denigrating most other people only succeed in demonstrating how weak-minded they are. What's particularly sad is people who bleat that they are speaking 'truth' when all that emits from them is highly biased and prejudiced claptrap that bears no resemblance to fact.

 

That goes for men and women both who allow themselves to think that spouting bile about the members of any group is a valid form of discourse.

 

I am very mature for my age

 

The hallmark of the immature person is a need to assure others that he is mature. Not unlike the so-called 'nice' person who simply must tell everyone that he is nice. If these characteristics are possessed by someone, they are evident and don't require assertions of 'proof' by the individual in question.

[Woggle]

I never said that all women were unstrustworthy but let's face it there is a big trend of women these days who have a vendetta against men and pretty much view us as walking wallets and sperm donors. Look at how many think it's cool to cheat on their men because it empowers them. Look at how many women who view fathers as disposable and useless. These women do exist and sadly they exist in large numders. Men are disposable to many women and I am just telling men to watch out for this. The big irony is that you are preaching to me about how my attitude will set me up for failure with women but the exact opposite happened. I am with a great woman right now and this after I changed my perspective. When I was a doormat I married a woman that treated me like crap and cheated on me. See by growing a spine I weeded out the bad women and when the dust cleared the woman I had always wanted was there. I am also very successful in other areas of life so I am proof positive that my mentality works. Also like I always tell other women around here if what I say does not apply to you I am not talking about you.