JS17 Posted December 18, 2005 Posted December 18, 2005 women have been doing it for thousands of years...lying and manipuation were the only source of power women had for many centuries. ergo,they are very adept at it. its a matter of survival for them. You just sound rediculous.
933KJL Posted December 18, 2005 Posted December 18, 2005 Wonder what Rainier thought about that? Last time he thought about that was when he was cutting the break lines on her Land Rover!
slubberdegullion Posted December 18, 2005 Posted December 18, 2005 I think even those that cheat, lie and manipluate would be hard pressed to come back and say it is the "right" thing to do. They may come back and say that they don't care or it doesn't mean anything, take a neutral stance but I haven't yet seen someone come back and say it is "right" that they do these things. I'm no saint, I've lied before and I think that what I did was wrong and unethical but I can recognize that as such. It depends on the context. To lie, cheat and steal for purely personal, financial or political gain (like George W, for instance) is lower than low. But to do the same to protect your family or an innocent from evil or harm, then the measure is different and it's perfectly acceptable, even laudable.
Outcast Posted December 18, 2005 Posted December 18, 2005 Last time he thought about that was when he was cutting the break lines on her Land Rover! You're dreadful!
JS17 Posted December 18, 2005 Posted December 18, 2005 It depends on the context. To lie, cheat and steal for purely personal, financial or political gain (like George W, for instance) is lower than low. But to do the same to protect your family or an innocent from evil or harm, then the measure is different and it's perfectly acceptable, even laudable. I thought we were talking about interpersonal relationships and I can't think of an example where cheating and manipulating would be thought of as the ethical thing to do. Please, feel free to add. Outside of interpersonal relationships, I could see how lying to protect would be the right thing to do.
slubberdegullion Posted December 18, 2005 Posted December 18, 2005 I thought we were talking about interpersonal relationships and I can't think of an example where cheating and manipulating would be thought of as the ethical thing to do. Please, feel free to add. Outside of interpersonal relationships, I could see how lying to protect would be the right thing to do. While my original intent about the "correct" time to lie and cheat wasn't intended for interpersonal relationships, there actually may be times when lying is actually the right thing to do. For instance, let's just say for example that you have a relative that suffers from depression and is dying of cancer. To tell him that he's dying may actually hasten the death, and the time between getting the information and death may be torturous because of his tendency to depression. So, for the sake of his state of mind while he's still around, it may be best to keep the truth from him. Or, on a lighter note, it may be better to lie to someone who's just spent 2 hours getting her makeup and hair done for a formal occasion and looks pretty much the same as before she started. Slipping a "white lie" such as, "Wow, you look fantastic" is probably a better response than, "Uh, aren't you ready yet?"
Craig Posted December 18, 2005 Posted December 18, 2005 It's to bad were not all saints. If we were all saints wouldn't we be dead too?
tinktronik Posted December 18, 2005 Posted December 18, 2005 Slipping a "white lie" such as, "Wow, you look fantastic" is probably a better response than, "Uh, aren't you ready yet?" Personaly , I prefer stunning , my dear , simply stunning.
Author Mary3 Posted December 18, 2005 Author Posted December 18, 2005 You want to know what makes me romantically interested in you ? Just being yourself and showing your soft side to the women and leave the outer crusty hard shell for Society. Fear not, that she will rake you through the coals because believe it or NOT some women ARE honest and truly loving and dont make it a habit of sleeping with your best friend...or the mail man ...and aren't checking your ATM deposit slips. There are girls out there that accept you for You. I know thats a crazy thought but you just haven't found her yet. Yes Alpha there are good women out there but maybe you are looking in the wrong places ?
Sevenmack Posted December 19, 2005 Posted December 19, 2005 While some of Alpha's 'rules' are a bit much, it's hard for me to totally disagree with them because of what they do: Instead of men (and women) considering themselves powerless over how they deal with the actions of other people, the rules make them own up to their own role in how they are treated by the men and women they date or end up marrying. The best analogy is what a friend of mine calls the work rules: Would your boss tolerate from you the stunts a lover may pull. Think about it: If you didn't show up for work without calling in advance or scheduling a vacation ahead of time, would your boss tolerate it? Probably not. So why do people tolerate women and men cancelling dates at the last minute when they had ample time to reschedule? Or if you hit your boss or cursed him out, would he tolerate it? Chances are you would be escorted by security within minutes of the incident. So why tolerate such poor behavior from lovers? This isn't about having a lot of hard-and-fast rules; a lover who treats you well will be given some liberties because sexual-emotional relationships aren't exactly like that of an employer to an employee. But both require reasonable ground rules and the willingness of a lover to stick to them. They both require reasonable expectations of honorable treatment of one another and a penance for violating those expectations. The best example is a dating situation I went through months ago with a lawyer gal who I met at a mixer. We dated for a couple of months, despite a number of issues (notably her unwillingness to take the relationship further) until she cancelled a date on me because she was 'approached' (or f----d real well, more like it) by her ex. I cut it off. Yet she continued to e-mail and trying to keep me around until two months ago when I just stopped all contact and told her until she got her head together, I've got other women to see. If I had tolerated her cancelling the date, she would have simply continued to take advantage of me. If I responded to her e-mails, she wouldn't have realized that she needed to make a decision as to whether she wanted me because she was really into me or because she wanted someone to soothe her ego and liked the fact that as a writer with a wide array of friends, I was different than her usual lawyer boyfriends and was thus a risk with which she enjoyed dallying. One would say Alpha is looking in the wrong places. Not likely. Some of the most selfish women I've ever met I had been introduced to by good friends who didn't necessarily spend time measuring that person's true character or at mixers, volunteer stints and the like. Selfish, wishy-washy and heinous women can be found anywhere. It's not about where you go, but it's about choosing the right person or ditching them if they aren't. But you need a process to sort them out. And while Alpha's isn't all correct, some of his points are on target.
noclobber Posted December 19, 2005 Posted December 19, 2005 i am not trying to support Alpha but he does have some valid points.. i think the way he puts it earns the ire of some members.. lying and manipulating to get women does not sound good... i guess its only about playing the game correctly... and unfortunately in dating the rules of the game do not support the noble ones.
Sand&Water Posted December 19, 2005 Posted December 19, 2005 ...lying and manipulating to get women does not sound good... This works vey well for Alpha - a womanizer!! To fix that - learn to attain some morals and values. Hence he should not be giving advice, its bad for his credibility. This makes me wonder... why is it that women end up getting a BIGGER heartache than men when it comes to running after the prize or the guy/girl?
ms_jnj Posted December 19, 2005 Posted December 19, 2005 Ick.....when I see guys showin' the money it's a big turn off. I get to thinking that they must show their money because they have extremely small penises (peni?!) or are otherwise lacking so much that having money is their only good point. I can make my own money, what I really want is a man to be my best friend, companion and the provider of countless nights of hot sex. Gee, I guess you can call me a romantic...or at least not a gold digger at all.
Author Mary3 Posted December 19, 2005 Author Posted December 19, 2005 Great Advice Sevenmack I really liked that one. I don't tolerate alot of BS either and just like the Boss when he no longer wants the employee :" You're Fired " ! And sometimes we have to fire our lovers ( terminate ) the relationship because we are not getting what we want. Excellent advice !
RecordProducer Posted December 19, 2005 Posted December 19, 2005 I don't see Alpha's girls-like-bad-boys philosophy as offensive. I take Alpha's statements about women with a smile on my face. I don't see him as the enemy of women. He plays games to get to women, but I am sure that in reality women can see through his little games so he is practically harmless. In fact he loves women. He may not be spotless, but at least he is not boring. Besides, he is super-intelligent and well-rounded. I really don't see why some people take him so seriously. By the way, where did this theory about money come from? I know Alpha always says that women are hot for successful men (some/many of us are), but pretending to be wealthy... When did he suggest that? 1
Yamaha Posted December 19, 2005 Posted December 19, 2005 Some of the most selfish women I've ever met I had been introduced to by good friends who didn't necessarily spend time measuring that person's true character or at mixers, volunteer stints and the like. Selfish, wishy-washy and heinous women can be found anywhere. It's not about where you go, but it's about choosing the right person or ditching them if they aren't. Amen!!! This has been my experience as well. If she doesn't treat you the way you feel you should then why stay there and be abused? Putting up with bad behavior just encourages bad behavior!!
alphamale Posted December 19, 2005 Posted December 19, 2005 In fact he loves women. this is true RP, to be good at seducing women a man must love them. He may not be spotless, but at least he is not boring. Besides, he is super-intelligent and well-rounded. I would agree with the above, especiall the super intelligent part I know Alpha always says that women are hot for successful men (some/many of us are), but pretending to be wealthy... When did he suggest that? I don't believe in pretending to be wealthy. I do agree with a man doing the best he can, educating himself, getting a good career and making as much $$$ as he can AND BEING A PROVIDER.
SmoochieFace Posted December 19, 2005 Posted December 19, 2005 In fact he loves women. Well, I suppose if you consider *love* to include such things as contempt, disdain, and other forms of condescending behaviour then I suppose that your assertion has merit.
Walk Posted December 19, 2005 Posted December 19, 2005 women have been doing it for thousands of years...lying and manipuation were the only source of power women had for many centuries. ergo,they are very adept at it. its a matter of survival for them. I disagree with this on the simple point of, NO ONE TAUGHT ME. Where was I? Did I miss the class? Man, I knew I shouldn't have slept in so much!!! Can I re-take this somewhere? Anyone know where to sign up??? Dang. I'm always missing out on the good stuff. Well, I suppose if you consider *love* to include such things as contempt, disdain, and other forms of condescending behaviour then I suppose that your assertion has merit. I've been reading quite a few of Alpha's posts. Can you point out the contempt, disdain, etc? Seriously... What are Alpha's views? I see him being cold-hearted at times. But...... ? What are Alpha's rules? Didn't all of you just decide that what was listed were GP's?
SmoochieFace Posted December 19, 2005 Posted December 19, 2005 I've been reading quite a few of Alpha's posts. Can you point out the contempt, disdain, etc? Perhaps you should read a little deeper into what he writes. Do a search under his *nick* and read his posts and the reactions of others.
Walk Posted December 19, 2005 Posted December 19, 2005 I went through three pages of his replies... I don't see it. The reason I don't see it, most of his "gender biased", uncouth replies, sound more like an attempt to push peoples buttons. Cause a reaction. For each response that pushes someones buttons, there seems to be another response stating the opposite. He uses women for sex/ he take time for foreplay because its better for the woman. One comment about how he'd buy his gf her favorite movie, and bring her soup if she were sick, and tuck her in. These comments come from Alpha? Or does he have a twin on here that I'm not aware of? Spell it out to me SF, Why is Alpha the epitomy of Ass hood? I really want to understand. I guess I'm missing something, but I don't see it. What is it?
SmoochieFace Posted December 19, 2005 Posted December 19, 2005 I went through three pages of his replies... I don't see it. The reason I don't see it, most of his "gender biased", uncouth replies, sound more like an attempt to push peoples buttons. Cause a reaction. For each response that pushes someones buttons, there seems to be another response stating the opposite. He uses women for sex/ he take time for foreplay because its better for the woman. One comment about how he'd buy his gf her favorite movie, and bring her soup if she were sick, and tuck her in. These comments come from Alpha? Or does he have a twin on here that I'm not aware of? Spell it out to me SF, Why is Alpha the epitomy of Ass hood? I really want to understand. I guess I'm missing something, but I don't see it. What is it? Using women for sex... does that not qualify someone for *Asshood* or are you one of those women who do not mind being used?
Walk Posted December 19, 2005 Posted December 19, 2005 Using women for sex... does that not qualify someone for *Asshood* or are you one of those women who do not mind being used? I really can't cast stones SF. I've used a few guys in my past for sex, and entertainment. I tend to believe that the women out there who aren't looking for a wallet, don't need a daddy figure, and/or can't live life without a man, are able to see through most the BS men put off. If he chooses to dump a women when he doesn't get sex after date one, then go him. If a women falls on her back after one date, then cries foul... well, I'm not terribly sympathic towards them. Most men have a huge tendency toward ass hole. (As do women) I've viewed some of your comments as ass holish. and I've viewed some of your comments as incredibly enlightened, and admirable. Should I judge you as inheriently wrong because of a few views that differ from my own? I don't want to. I feel the same way toward Alpha.
SmoochieFace Posted December 19, 2005 Posted December 19, 2005 I have a *thing* for making people see the truth about themselves. If it comes off as being *assholish*, oh well. That is how I am. I make zero apologies for that. I will say though that I have never *used* a woman for sex. That is simply wrong to me.
Recommended Posts