alphamale Posted December 16, 2005 Posted December 16, 2005 Look, Alphie, that assertion of yours only applies to certain types of men and women - not everyone - so quit with the ridiculous generalizations. so its a generalization that attractive people of all ages have an easier time hooking up? Actually there are a number or industries worth Billions of $$$ that are based upon the generalizations of attractive people. Lets see....cosmetics, hollywood, cosmetic surgery, etc...
SmoochieFace Posted December 16, 2005 Posted December 16, 2005 so its a generalization that attractive people of all ages have an easier time hooking up? Actually there are a number or industries worth Billions of $$$ that are based upon the generalizations of attractive people. Lets see....cosmetics, hollywood, cosmetic surgery, etc... It's also *common knowledge* that many *attractive* people also have difficulty getting dates as well... mainly cuz most people will not approach *attractive* people... unless they are liquored up at a bar or club or something.
alphamale Posted December 16, 2005 Posted December 16, 2005 It's also *common knowledge* that many *attractive* people also have difficulty getting dates as well... mainly cuz most people will not approach *attractive* people... unless they are liquored up at a bar or club or something. now where are you getting your generalization from SMOCHIE??? I rarely see good looking men and women alone for any length of time. Do you ever go out into the real world and observe??? THe myth that many attractive women are sitting home alone on Sat nite is just that...a myth. All the attractive women I know have numerous suitors at one time.
Outcast Posted December 16, 2005 Posted December 16, 2005 THe myth that many attractive women are sitting home alone on Sat nite is just that...a myth. So you have done a door-to-door survey of the entire planet? And found only non-attractive people at home? Please post the results and accompanying photos so we can see if what you call 'attractive' is what we would call 'attractive'. Actually there are a number or industries worth Billions of $$$ that are based upon the generalizations of attractive people. Lets see....cosmetics, hollywood, cosmetic surgery, etc... Built upon the myth they have perpetrated that if you're not dolled up with chemicals and expensive clothes you're undesirable. Like the diet industry, it's all smoke and mirrors - and fools fall for it all the time.
SmoochieFace Posted December 16, 2005 Posted December 16, 2005 now where are you getting your generalization from SMOCHIE??? I rarely see good looking men and women alone for any length of time. Do you ever go out into the real world and observe??? The same place where you get yours, I suppose. I'm in the *real world* a lot. I don't live in a cave. THe myth that many attractive women are sitting home alone on Sat nite is just that...a myth. All the attractive women I know have numerous suitors at one time. Oh really? Based on what YOU know? You cannot speak for everyone and their experiences. All the attractive women YOU know doesn't mean ALL women. Again, quit turning YOUR experiences into generalizations that automatically apply to EVERYONE.
Lil Honey Posted December 16, 2005 Posted December 16, 2005 Nice guys probably finish last, depending on the woman they chose. Meaning they probably finish last for the same reason non-super-model women finish last . . .
Outcast Posted December 16, 2005 Posted December 16, 2005 99% of the discussions on this have been Alpha posting the myths he firmly believes in and others attempting to disabuse him of the notion that he's got the world by the cojones. It's pretty much a futile endeavour.
SmoochieFace Posted December 16, 2005 Posted December 16, 2005 I'm not surprised that you sidestepped Post #39. Not surprised in the least. I suppose it's much *easier* on you psychologically to sit behind a monitor and make blanket assumptions about women based on your negativity rather than admitting the truth about yourself and acknowledging that you have the issues - not the women.
alphamale Posted December 16, 2005 Posted December 16, 2005 99% of the discussions on this have been Alpha posting the myths he firmly believes in and others attempting to disabuse him of the notion that he's got the world by the cojones. It's pretty much a futile endeavour. i am entitled to my opinions and viewpoint...well MOI for the 2nd time you're put on my ignore list. your constant personal attacks are becoming lame. I suppose it's much *easier* on you psychologically to sit behind a monitor and make blanket assumptions about women based on your negativity rather than admitting the truth about yourself and acknowledging that you have the issues - not the women. and you're also on ignore SMOOCHIE so don't even bother anymore.
SmoochieFace Posted December 16, 2005 Posted December 16, 2005 and you're also on ignore SMOOCHIE so don't even bother anymore. Once again, this confirms my belief that most people are scared of acknowledging the truth about themselves.
Outcast Posted December 16, 2005 Posted December 16, 2005 It's not an 'attack'. I think it's irresponsible to spread information that isn't based on fact. Some people might actually take the advice to 'treat women like shxt' and ruin their relationships. If you must post myths, qualify them.
Lil Honey Posted December 16, 2005 Posted December 16, 2005 women agree to date a stranger that asks them out. now that guy hardly knows (Guy 1) anything about her as a person.. the only thing that he knows is that she is physically attractive (and that's why he asked her out) and nothing else... compare this with a guy friend (Guy 2) of the same woman. he wud know about her as a complete person.. heck he wud have even seen her without her make-up.. if he asks her out do u think the woman wud go out with him? no way.. she will say "oh i only like u as a friend"... hahaha Noclobber: Speaking from a woman's point of view and only my experience (not any fact to cite, blah, blah, blah), I think the above scenario happens because the woman will go out with Guy 1, simply because she doesn't know anything about him and wants to get to know him. For her, Guy 2 is someone she already knows. In her mind, he might hold a friend status. A friend status changes how you feel romantically. She could have thought about dating Guy 2, but he previously gave her the impression that he wasn't interested . . . or he gave her NO impression in regard to interest. She may have felt that she is just THERE in his life, like one of his buddies, so then gave up on the thought of dating him. Why embarrass herself when she is preceiving disinterest? As far as the comment that a man should get other men's opinions on why nice guys finish last is in error, IMHO. I would think that anyone - men or women - don't have a clue as to what they did right to make a relationship work. So, to me, it would make more sense to ask women what makes them like/dislike a nice guy. It has a lot to do with chemistry, personality, etc., etc. I would think. Not only that, but men can't claim to know how women think about particular guys, just as women can't claim to know how men think about particular women.
Lil Honey Posted December 16, 2005 Posted December 16, 2005 Thank God for Ignore buttons . . . now if only they worked . . .
alphamale Posted December 16, 2005 Posted December 16, 2005 So, to me, it would make more sense to ask women what makes them like/dislike a nice guy. It has a lot to do with chemistry, personality, etc., etc. I would think. this is true LIL HONEY... and many women are attracted to masculine men. Being "nice" in an of itself is not considered masculine. That is a feminie trait. If a man is nice and has money that will attract women. Or if a man is nice and is good looking that will attract women. But "nice" alone will never work. Not only that, but men can't claim to know how women think about particular guys, just as women can't claim to know how men think about particular women. This is true but who knows more about dealing with and dating the oppposite sex?
Outcast Posted December 16, 2005 Posted December 16, 2005 This is true but who knows more about dealing with and dating the oppposite sex? Men and women who have met and married successfully, I'd say.
mrB2006 Posted December 16, 2005 Posted December 16, 2005 This is a very interesting debate. However, I would like to get my two cents in. O.K.- I was originally under the impression that a woman would find a guy attractive who was honest and kind and wasnt' interested in getting in her panties in a hurry. And wouldn't it be great to really know a person before you commit to anything. That was the approach I took, the friends route. It obviously didn't work out for me. So I am leaning towards the comments made by noclobber and alphamale. However, I truely believe that a guy should really fall in love with a woman for all the right reasons: for her intelligence, her kindness, her spirituality, etc....Of course physical attraction comes into play. But there is more to life than just sex. mrB
Outcast Posted December 16, 2005 Posted December 16, 2005 That was the approach I took, the friends route. It obviously didn't work out for me. One or two instance do not prove the rule.
SmoochieFace Posted December 16, 2005 Posted December 16, 2005 That was the approach I took, the friends route. It obviously didn't work out for me. It may not have worked with that particular woman or a certain *type* that you may be attracted to. As I have said, all of my relationships started out with friendship. It DOES work - you just have to find the *right* women for it to work. Shallow, superficial, and... yes... young women in general (not all of course) - not the right *type* for a relationship based on friendship.
mrB2006 Posted December 16, 2005 Posted December 16, 2005 Here I go again: But it can discouraging when you fall in love with a woman for all the right reasons and all she is probably thinking is, "That's sooo cute, but it ain't gonna happen"....And the guy, who is confused at this point, either walks away with his tail between his legs, or continues this farce, thinking that she is going to change her mind....it is hopeless. Just a thought.... mrB
SmoochieFace Posted December 16, 2005 Posted December 16, 2005 Here I go again: But it can discouraging when you fall in love with a woman for all the right reasons and all she is probably thinking is, "That's sooo cute, but it ain't gonna happen"....And the guy, who is confused at this point, either walks away with his tail between his legs, or continues this farce, thinking that she is going to change her mind....it is hopeless. Just a thought.... mrB I understand but what type of woman are you approaching may I ask?
loony Posted December 16, 2005 Posted December 16, 2005 O.K.- I was originally under the impression that a woman would find a guy attractive who was honest and kind and wasnt' interested in getting in her panties in a hurry. And wouldn't it be great to really know a person before you commit to anything. That was the approach I took, the friends route. It obviously didn't work out for me. Your friend seems to be the tough and assertive kind of person and if you fail to kiss her when the opportunity was there, then don't complain if she wonders if you are really relationship material. Nice doesn't mean unattractive, spineless, uptight not even shy, it just means that this person is polite and respectful.
loony Posted December 16, 2005 Posted December 16, 2005 Here I go again: But it can discouraging when you fall in love with a woman for all the right reasons and all she is probably thinking is, "That's sooo cute, but it ain't gonna happen"....And the guy, who is confused at this point, either walks away with his tail between his legs, or continues this farce, thinking that she is going to change her mind....it is hopeless. You, not anybody else failed to move the friendship with your friend to a higher level.
ms_jnj Posted December 16, 2005 Posted December 16, 2005 Admit it, Alpha. You have considerable hostility towards women to the point where you dislike them or even hate them. However, it's not the women who are the problem. It's you. You dislike yourself because of your inadequacies and insecurities and you are projecting them on the women. Touche, my thoughts exactly.
alphamale Posted December 16, 2005 Posted December 16, 2005 O.K.- I was originally under the impression that a woman would find a guy attractive who was honest and kind and wasnt' interested in getting in her panties in a hurry. Look MRB2006....females are ruled by their emotions and their feelings and nothing more. When it comes to being attracted to men they look for the ones that can stir up both GOOD AND BAD feeling and emotions in them. If you cannot do this then you are relegated to "friends" status forever. Some men are naturals at stiring emotinons and feelings in women. Some men can learn it over time and with experience. And some men will never be able to do it.
mrB2006 Posted December 16, 2005 Posted December 16, 2005 SmoochieFace: I am really attracted to intelligent and independent women. The girl I was interested in was a friend from high school. We had lost touch for a while, but met up early last January. Now, I think she is probably the most intelligent woman I have ever met. She is also very independent. She likes to learn about other cultures. She has travelled all over the world. And she has a big heart. Those are just some of her qualities that I found attractive. Now, I must admit that I was attracted to her physically, but that quality took a backseat to her other qualities. Of course, if you read my other postings, it appears that she was too independent for me. She could see that I was lacking in confidence. And I agree that was my problem...However, I am working on that. The person that I will be meeting next week is also an intelligent woman. She is in grad school studying the physical sciences. Now, I also must admit that I have never seen her before. I consider myself an intelligent guy. I also consider myself a fun and interesting guy (once ya get to know me). The women I tend to gravitate towards are intelligent and extraverted-(I am an introvert).... mrB
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