loony Posted December 11, 2005 Posted December 11, 2005 I disagree LOONEY....study after study have shown that women's criteria for short-term relationships are pretty much the same as her criteria for long-term reltionships. In other words, women look for the same type of many whether they just want to have fun or get married. Hey, I'm charming, OK looking, have some ca$h, great personality, I'm a good dancer and you can take me from a high school football game to a black tie affair. What more would a woman want? The point is, if you consider them serious relationship material. A woman who really thought of herself as the prize wouldn't jump so quickly into the sack with you. She would check you in and out and not let herself get fooled by your big fancy car or the expensive restaurant you chose. If she was really interested in you and not this superficial wishy-washy then she would test you more. In order for you to have some interest in a woman she will have to demonstrate that she is an equal to you and that means, seeing through your tricks, see beyond this wining & dining show.
alphamale Posted December 11, 2005 Posted December 11, 2005 Actually, the studies showed that they may like 'bad boys' for short-term relationships but they want 'the sensitive guy' to father their kids. oh yeah OUTCAST....the sensitive "nice guy" is at home fathering the kiddies while wifey's out at the singles bar picking up bad boys for a good f***.
alphamale Posted December 11, 2005 Posted December 11, 2005 A woman who really thought of herself as the prize wouldn't jump so quickly into the sack with you. It is true LOONEY that the more attactive women tend to be more cautious and tend to make the male wait longer for sex but if the man is a strong seducer and comes of as tender and caring and looking for her needs first and foremost then he can negate some of the waiting. The key for the man is to come of as looking like the is sincere and genuine. And very few men can pull that off. It takes a smart man who is perceptive and knows much of the female mind. As Yoda once said: "The Jedi way, it is part of"
johan Posted December 11, 2005 Posted December 11, 2005 Clarification: She had asked me all of the marriage questions every once in a while... I asked her if we would be a a good couple, thats when I heard the 'just friends, your're so nice' talk.... then, we go on the road trip...She asks me more about marriage, children, and my future....also the indecent proposal questions come into play... When I finally spilled my guts out to her, I told her that I had kind of asked earlier about a potential future together, but I told her that the talks concerning marriage and sex( yes, she seemed to have sex on her mind a lot)had caused me to ask her again....Again I got the 'just friends, nice guy' talk.... About a week after spilling my guts, I sent her an email clairifny something I had written....She replied that I she was waiting for me to make a move. since I didn't she figured that I wasn't into her in that way....she went on to say the I doubt myself too much and that I should take risks because you never know where you will end up... And yet, she still wants to write to me. She knows how I feel........ mrB My 1st opinion: you've all gotten off topic. My 2nd opinion: mrB2006 apologizes too much and molds himself to what he thinks other people think too much. I think I've seen 3 apologies on this page alone. My 3rd opinion: regarding the quote above: mrB2006, the ship has sailed with this girl. She's giving you mixed signals. Or you're misinterpreting her. You've invested way too much in her. There are hundreds of women on whom you could be spending the energy you've dedicated to this one, confused girl. I'd go have dinner with her. But I'd expect to have dinner and a chat, not a heavy involved relationship conversation. Opinion IV: You think YOU missed a chance to be with her? Do you think she ever for one minute doubted what you were really interested in? You've been holding that "door" open for her for how long? If she wanted to enter, trust me, she'd have found a way to get in. Don't be so hard on yourself. The worst thing you can do is think this particular girl matters more than any other girl you haven't gotten around to getting together with. Opinion E: You have a habit of completely misinterpreting the signals you get from people. You have NO idea what's going on in the head of this girl or the wheelchair guy or anyone else. You don't even know how to interpret yourself. And last but not least: Women may prefer "bad boys" because they appear more real. Maybe fewer good traits, but at least you know what you're getting. And maybe it's exciting for a while. It just goes to show you how few decent guys there are out there. If you were real and you had a lot going for you, then being categorized as "nice" would be completely irrelevant. You'd have women rapelling outside your bedroom window, making your hot girlfriend mad.
alphamale Posted December 11, 2005 Posted December 11, 2005 If you were real and you had a lot going for you, then being categorized as "nice" would be completely irrelevant. You'd have women rapelling outside your bedroom window, making your hot girlfriend mad. There is nothing wrong with a man being "nice" but he must have more to offer such as having ca$h or being attractive. Being just 'nice' alone will not get a man many women. Everyone has to have something to offer the other sex. A man with money who is nice could be equally attractive to women as a short ugly fellow who is bad ass and is exciting and charming. It depends on what the women likes for we all know that in the end it is the women who choose the man.
JS17 Posted December 11, 2005 Posted December 11, 2005 Women may prefer "bad boys" because they appear more real. Maybe fewer good traits, but at least you know what you're getting. This is the first valid hypothesis I've seen on this site in the "women like bad boys debate".
alphamale Posted December 11, 2005 Posted December 11, 2005 This is the first valid hypothesis I've seen on this site in the "women like bad boys debate". i don't know how many times i've mentioned that bad boys are percieved by women to be more honest and straightforward for example, i've had many ex girlfriends ask me if I would cheat on them and my standard answer is: "i don't know honey, i really don't trust myself so I can't say what will happen and what won't happen in the future."
johan Posted December 11, 2005 Posted December 11, 2005 i don't know how many times i've mentioned that bad boys are percieved by women to be more honest and straightforward Yeah, but most people have you on their ignore lists...
alphamale Posted December 11, 2005 Posted December 11, 2005 Yeah, but most people have you on their ignore lists... must be the same people who are constantly PMing me to ask for advice
JS17 Posted December 11, 2005 Posted December 11, 2005 Yeah, but most people have you on their ignore lists... Yeah, sorry alpha, I must have tuned you out after you compared women to gasoline and velveta cheese.
Woggle Posted December 11, 2005 Posted December 11, 2005 The funny thing with being a bad boy is that the worse you seem to treat women the more they want you. During my player days I told women their only role in my life was sex and they just seemed to come back for more. It was rather pathetic. I think deep down women don't like how neurered men have become and when a man shows signs a of backbone they are attracted. With all due respect out cast the sensitive guys are the ones who have their wives walk out to go find themselves even though he is a great husband and father. Take it from somebody who has been there being mr sensitive gets you the short end of the stick.
JS17 Posted December 11, 2005 Posted December 11, 2005 I honestly don't "fall" for the bad boy. I fall for the ones that appear to be the nice guy and say all the right things but once you really get in there they are just @ssholes. I've started considering the outright "bad boys" for short term relationships because, yes, at least they are honest and I can therefore not become attached since they are upfront. Haven't tried it yet but there is someone in the works. I'm interested to see how the experiment turns out.
Author mrB2006 Posted December 11, 2005 Author Posted December 11, 2005 To be honest, I have gotten so much mixed advice that I am more confused than when I first started posting. Oh well, I will make the best of the information given to me. Like I mentioned in another posting, I don't expect much of this dinner either. I am looking at it as nothing more that just a friendly occasion. Thanks
alphamale Posted December 11, 2005 Posted December 11, 2005 To be honest, I have gotten so much mixed advice that I am more confused than when I first started posting. Oh well, I will make the best of the information given to me. what one thing do you want to know MRB2006? Make it short and sweet and I will give you the answer.
Woggle Posted December 11, 2005 Posted December 11, 2005 I honestly don't "fall" for the bad boy. I fall for the ones that appear to be the nice guy and say all the right things but once you really get in there they are just @ssholes. I've started considering the outright "bad boys" for short term relationships because, yes, at least they are honest and I can therefore not become attached since they are upfront. Haven't tried it yet but there is someone in the works. I'm interested to see how the experiment turns out. You still might become attached.
Author mrB2006 Posted December 11, 2005 Author Posted December 11, 2005 alpahmale: Are there second chances? I think I know the answer. But, I am probably too blind to the fact that my chances are nil.
Woggle Posted December 11, 2005 Posted December 11, 2005 mrB live life as if you could care less about her and it might work.
JS17 Posted December 11, 2005 Posted December 11, 2005 You still might become attached. I probably will start to become attached but I'm smart enough to recognize when that's starting to happen and I will leave. I'm sure it's a terrible idea but I like to learn from my own experiences, even if they are mistakes.
Woggle Posted December 11, 2005 Posted December 11, 2005 I probably will start to become attached but I'm smart enough to recognize when that's starting to happen and I will leave. I'm sure it's a terrible idea but I like to learn from my own experiences, even if they are mistakes. Just be careful. I don't know you but I am saying from experience that teh worse a man treats a woman the more she becomes attached to him. It's like women have some subconious desire to be put in their place.
alphamale Posted December 11, 2005 Posted December 11, 2005 alpahmale: Are there second chances? I think I know the answer. But, I am probably too blind to the fact that my chances are nil. there are 2nd chances but you will have to re-invent yourself MRB2006...go to any large bookstore and buy the book called "how to succeed with women" by Ron Louis and David Copeland. It is a superb starting point and pretty much dead on accurate on how to deal with females. The journey will be long and hard but you can do it. good luck alpha
loony Posted December 11, 2005 Posted December 11, 2005 there are 2nd chances but you will have to re-invent yourself MRB2006...go to any large bookstore and buy the book called "how to succeed with women" by Ron Louis and David Copeland. It is a superb starting point and pretty much dead on accurate on how to deal with females. The journey will be long and hard but you can do it. Exactly, become a pick up artist and live happily ever together like Alpha...
lindya Posted December 11, 2005 Posted December 11, 2005 I've started considering the outright "bad boys" for short term relationships because, yes, at least they are honest and I can therefore not become attached since they are upfront. Haven't tried it yet but there is someone in the works. I'm interested to see how the experiment turns out. Are they really honest, JS17? Don't you think "bad boys" are often just men who have cultivated negative or disordered traits in an attempt to seem more interesting? I'm rethinking that, actually. That would be some women's version of a bad boy...but I don't think it would be yours. There's is a certain type of "bad boy" I can feel an intense attraction towards - but those men are few and far between. They're men I can recognise the darker aspects of myself in...and who, likewise, see their more compassionate aspects in me. Do you recognise that at all?
Author mrB2006 Posted December 11, 2005 Author Posted December 11, 2005 woggle: You might be right. I have tried to forget about her. But I am still on the hook. We still email each other even though she knows my feelings. I told her that I would understand if is she didnt want communication. In fact, I was kind of hoping she would tell me to take a hike. That would have been better than this torture. Johan is right though, she has been giving me numerous mixed signals. But how do I forget about her? I constantly keep thinking how I blew my chances with her. I just can't get her out of my mind. And I know that the way I am going now is not really healthy.
alphamale Posted December 11, 2005 Posted December 11, 2005 It's like women have some subconious desire to be put in their place. they do WOGGLE, it is genetically imbedded in thier DNA. They may say they don't want to be dominated by men but watch how they behave when they are dominated by men. Actions say everything and words mean little.
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