loveheart59 Posted November 22, 2005 Posted November 22, 2005 Just wondered what anybody thought about this new survey Ammnesty International did in England the other day about rape... They asked men and women; 1) If they think women who wear revealing clothes was partly to blame. 34% said yes 2) If a woman gets drunk is she partly to blame for being raped? 31% said yes! 3) If a woman is known to have slept with quite a few people. 19% said yes!! Even weirder, 5% of women and 3% of men said a woman is FULLY to blame for being raped if shes drunk:eek: . You got to be bloody joking! Does anyone out there have this opinion, that certain women are "asking for it"? If so were in major trouble.
Judas Christian Posted November 22, 2005 Posted November 22, 2005 I think the context of responses is important. I don't think that the numbers are saying that 34% of men think they have the right to rape a woman who is provocatively dressed, for instance. I think what it says is that 34% of men think that a provocatively dressed woman raises her chances of being raped by a potential rapist because of her dress. This makes sense, however horrible it may be. Think of it in terms of a chronic thief - they're already leaning toward stealing from people, but how much more likely is someone to be victimized in their presence while having cash hanging out of their pocket? It's not right, I agree with you. But the poll numbers indicate (to me) what people think about the reality of the situation, not their own personal views of right or wrong. Hopefully I'm making sense with this.
Author loveheart59 Posted November 22, 2005 Author Posted November 22, 2005 I do know that!!! I was mostly refering to the last opinion when people said women were wholy to blame. I am aware of the problems with research methods as I do psychology. The question was not "do women stand a bigger chance of being raped if scantily clad" but " are they partly or fully to BLAME!". There is a difference. It doesnt matter what a woman wears she shouldnt be attacked therefore naming them partly to *BLAME* for their own rape is bloody harsh if you ask me. You have to sit and think about the question properly because its not as simple as you think. Women get attacked wearing all sorts of attire, plus most rapes happen by people you know in the home so its likely that not every woman is dressed up to the nines when it happens.
a4a Posted November 22, 2005 Posted November 22, 2005 How about when the senior citizens are raped in their homes...... come on now.. It is again amazing how people "think"....... They should have polled actual rapist not the general public if they wanted some sort of answer... Also what about male rape? Probably way under reported as a crime. Intersting thread tho....... Really shows how people think that people that may not match their ideals think others deserve to be raped (dressing and drinking ect). a4a
Panhandler Posted November 22, 2005 Posted November 22, 2005 I think if a girl is dumb enuff to get sloppy drunk around some other dopey males who are stupid drunk, she can expect to get raped, and yeah she should take responsibility and say I put myself in this situation thus it's fully my fault.
Judas Christian Posted November 22, 2005 Posted November 22, 2005 I think, here again, it comes down to ideal world vs. real world. If you want to see the real world as sad, that's fair enough. But it is what it is. I don't like the fact that there are people out there who break into homes and steal other folks' possessions, but I can't change that so all I can really do is take the proper precautions to ensure it doesn't happen to me. It's still not guaranteed, but thieves will target the easiest hauls first. I'm not a rapist, so I don't know how they size up victims exactly, but I would say being sloppy drunk and scantily clad puts you in a good position to be victimized, like it or not.
a4a Posted November 22, 2005 Posted November 22, 2005 I think, here again, it comes down to ideal world vs. real world. If you want to see the real world as sad, that's fair enough. But it is what it is. I don't like the fact that there are people out there who break into homes and steal other folks' possessions, but I can't change that so all I can really do is take the proper precautions to ensure it doesn't happen to me. It's still not guaranteed, but thieves will target the easiest hauls first. I'm not a rapist, so I don't know how they size up victims exactly, but I would say being sloppy drunk and scantily clad puts you in a good position to be victimized, like it or not. It would have been better to get those surveyed to look at photos of women and see what they consider provocative..... One may see a bikini as such or a shirt without sleeves......only a rapist would know what they wanted their victims to wear..... including the senior citizens.... however rape is about power.... so who can really say what sets the rapist off except for the rapist themselves. but still interesting...... I agree with you Judas there is a reality to this....... ideal or not......reality. a4a
littlekitty Posted November 22, 2005 Posted November 22, 2005 I think if a girl is dumb enuff to get sloppy drunk around some other dopey males who are stupid drunk, she can expect to get raped, and yeah she should take responsibility and say I put myself in this situation thus it's fully my fault. No women should 'take responsibility' for being raped. Rape is rape. A drunk prostitute in a room full of drunk, sad old men can still be raped. A stripper can still be raped. So panhandler when you are drunk out of your trolly and 5 women hold you down and gang rape you with a strap on... make sure you take full responsibility yes?!
Moai Posted November 22, 2005 Posted November 22, 2005 I think that a woman who dresses provocatively ups her chances of being raped, but it is never her fault. Same for drunk, promiscuous, or whatever. Engaging in certain behavior might increase your chances of being assaulted, but the vicitm is NEVER to blame for the crime. If a guy is walking through a bad neighborhood holding his wallet spilling over with cash and wearing a Rolex, he is upping his chances of getting robbed, but it is still a crime if he is robbed. Might not be the common sensical thing to do, but the criminal is the one who makes the decision to engage in the crime. Most rapists are habitual anyway, and rape is an act of violence, not a sexual one. You could be a nun and get raped. There is no figuring it out.
Judas Christian Posted November 22, 2005 Posted November 22, 2005 lololol Kitty! I can understand where he's coming from though, sorta like my post - the real world contains bad people (in this case, rapists) and there IS a responsibility of the good people (in this case, the woman) to do their part to ensure it doesn't happen. There will always be exceptions because we're talking about sick people. I certainly don't think children are to blame for being molested by kiddie fiddlers, but there is a responsibility on the part of the parents (and the child when taught by their parents appropriately) to take measures against it.
Judas Christian Posted November 22, 2005 Posted November 22, 2005 Yeah, you've hit the nail on the head there, Moai. It raises the chances, but doesn't make her to blame. It's wording, really. I'm not saying a woman is to blame for being raped, just that certain behavior and dress CAN raise the chances of it happening.
Outcast Posted November 22, 2005 Posted November 22, 2005 Of course, the entire study is flawed because it's based on the assumption that only or even the majority of women who are raped dress provocatively or are drunk. Women are raped in their homes while asleep, senior citizens are raped during robberies, etc. etc. There seems to still be the misconception that rape is the act of a horny man wanting females when the majority of rapes are actually acts of violence - often perpetrated by men who hate women.
Judas Christian Posted November 22, 2005 Posted November 22, 2005 The assumption I'm running on here, Outcast, is that they're particularly addressing "date rape" sort of situations. Part of the question, for instance, is regarding women known to sleep around - an anonymous rapist wouldn't likely know that. If we ARE to include all the instances of rape, you're right, the study begins to lose the most remote sensibility.
Author loveheart59 Posted November 22, 2005 Author Posted November 22, 2005 Yeah, you've hit the nail on the head there, Moai. It raises the chances, but doesn't make her to blame. It's wording, really. I'm not saying a woman is to blame for being raped, just that certain behavior and dress CAN raise the chances of it happening. Exactly the key word is "to blame". Its nothing to do with whether its the real world or not. I think everybodys totally aware that if you dont shred your papers someone may steal your identity or if you walk with a mobile phone it might get robbed. Still, it isnt the persons fault. Hazard protection is a totally different argument. I think the comments about the parents of a raped child being to blame would make many people to commit suicide. Ive got friends whove been attacked when younger but no one in the family knew about it. If you were really out to go for damage limitation maybe you shouldnt let men get next to children full stop even fathers, because that "reduces the risk" of child abuse????????????? (How stupid is that, people are 98% more likely to be raped by a friend partner or family member indoors so how do those people "reduce their chances")
Neptune Posted November 22, 2005 Posted November 22, 2005 What surprises me is the figure of 3% of men considering her to be fully to blame if she is drunk. I find this very surprising to be so low. It is hard to get that much consensus on almost anything. In other words, 97% of men feel a woman being drunk is not her fault should she be raped. A quick story, a few years ago I heard a 19 year old gal reporting her activity of a few nights ago where she woke up from a drunk completely naked, found her clothes in the next room. Absolutely no recollection of what happened to her. And not the least bit concerned about what had happened to her. This was apparently with guys around in the place she stayed. I just can`t picture a very attractive young woman totally indifferent to that. But, I heard her story and it was consistent with her lifestyle at the time. this is just a thought of the situations some young women are putting themselves into.
Author loveheart59 Posted November 22, 2005 Author Posted November 22, 2005 Of course, the entire study is flawed because it's based on the assumption that only or even the majority of women who are raped dress provocatively or are drunk. By the way the study is flawed but not in the way you mention because people were specifically asked about people who were raped in certain situations like being drunk. If a woman is drunk and gets raped....etc
Judas Christian Posted November 22, 2005 Posted November 22, 2005 If the parents took the proper measures, then they lived up to their responsibility. As I said, the world has sick people in it and there is no 100% foolproof way to avoid being victimized in any crime. It's not so much the question of "reducing the chances" as "not raising the chances", you're missing the point, I think.
lindya Posted November 22, 2005 Posted November 22, 2005 I think if a girl is dumb enuff to get sloppy drunk around some other dopey males who are stupid drunk, she can expect to get raped, and yeah she should take responsibility and say I put myself in this situation thus it's fully my fault. There are certain situations people should try to avoid at all costs. For example, you should probably refrain from trying to discuss anything more intellectually taxing than, say, the tellietubbies...and why they all have their own uniquely shaped antennae. This would be particularly salient advice if you're serious (as you mentioned in another thread) about widening your romantic circle to include very young girls.
JS17 Posted November 22, 2005 Posted November 22, 2005 Panhandler is a troll. Stop giving it attention.
a4a Posted November 22, 2005 Posted November 22, 2005 There are certain situations people should try to avoid at all costs. For example, you should probably refrain from trying to discuss anything more intellectually taxing than, say, the tellietubbies...and why they all have their own uniquely shaped antennae. QUOTE] :lmao: :lmao: Perhaps that is a subject that deserves its own thread........ could keep us all busy for hours and hours...... however, I am sure that at some point it would turn into a discussion about tellietubby sex. a4a
alphamale Posted November 22, 2005 Posted November 22, 2005 There seems to still be the misconception that rape is the act of a horny man wanting females when the majority of rapes are actually acts of violence - often perpetrated by men who hate women. and what about all the tens of thousands of men who are raped every year by women or by other men in prison? what about them? obviously society thinks the rape of men is a non-issue.
a4a Posted November 22, 2005 Posted November 22, 2005 and what about all the tens of thousands of men who are raped every year by women or by other men in prison? what about them? obviously society thinks the rape of men is a non-issue. are you making a joke out of this? adult male rape does happen........ a4a
Judas Christian Posted November 22, 2005 Posted November 22, 2005 I don't think he's joking, I think he's making the point in a thread that is largely about what men do to women.
alphamale Posted November 22, 2005 Posted November 22, 2005 are you making a joke out of this? adult male rape does happen........ no i am being totally serious. all we hear about is women getting raped and i'm sick and tired of it. men get raped also
kitkat826 Posted November 22, 2005 Posted November 22, 2005 obviously society thinks the rape of men is a non-issue. Men being raped by women?? How could any red-blooded male be raped, considering their insatiable appetitie for sex and their undeniable physical dominance compared to females??? Men being raped by men?? Well its OBVIOUS that women who are raped are partly to blame for being vulnerable and provocative, so the same should be true for men. (But vulnerable? All men should be strong and fully capable of depending themselves! And wait, provocative? That means that they would have to have homosexual tendencies!!). And if the rapist is a man, then HE must be homosexual too...but homosexuals aren't supposed to be violent and agressive...homosexuals talk like girls and are sissys and read Vogue and are obsessed with Cher!! See?? This is all waaayy to confusing to even THINK about.
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