whichwayisup Posted November 21, 2005 Posted November 21, 2005 Guns are neccessary around here. Everyone has them, we have to protect cattle, horses, ourselves.... For Pidgeons!
Moai Posted November 21, 2005 Posted November 21, 2005 For those of you that feel that guns are fine things to have in your home, how many of you have been held up at gun point, know someone who has, or know someone who was shot? Sorry, just saw this! I have been held at gunpoint once. Some jackass saw me laughing with a friend, and assumed we were laughing at him. I don't even recall seeing him until he walked around a car with a gun aimed at my face. I looked at him and said, "What the f**K are you doing?" and my bro said, "Yeah, what are you gonna do, shoot us?" He was with another couple and his girlfriend, I assume, and she was at his car screaming at him. He was yelling all the standard crap like, 'What'd you say M-Fer? I'll F-ing kill you M-Fer!" I calmly started walking toward him, explaining that we hadn't said anything to him, and that he really needed to relax. I got within maybe a foot of the gun and he walked back to his car (keeping the gun on me the whole time), then burned rubber leaving. I was hoping to get his gun from him, and I would have if he'd have stood there. He was using the gun to threaten me, otherwise he would have shot me right there. People who are trained know that you NEVER point a gun at something you don't intend to shoot. If I point my gun at someone I will pull the trigger the second the sights are on him. Hence, I have never pointed a gun at anyone, and wouldn't unless my life was in immediate danger, or a loved one's was. At the time I really didn't care if he shot me or not. Odd feeling. I am not depressed and was actually in a great mood at the time. Perhaps it was the clarity of the situaion. I didn't freak out afterward, either, although my buddy did a little. Afterward we called the cops and they never showed. We were walking by a notorious drag queen hangout when it happened, and I think that the cops didn't come because of that. We gave our location as that bar, and no cops for over an hour. We walked about a half mile up the street and called from a casino, cops were there in five minutes. Go figure. I know several people who have been shot (none fatally), and know by extension about three people who have been killed--all involving alcohol. A guy I went to high school with killed his girlfriend's father the day after we graduated. I am amazed that story was never made into a Lifetime movie.
Davidh290 Posted November 21, 2005 Posted November 21, 2005 It depends on the type of guy he is.... Does he say things along the lines of damn commies? or any hostile things toward any one? Does he watch a lot of war movies? You should go hunting with him once and see how he acts... if he is all commando like then it is likely you should worry but if he is smart and normal then it should be ok just talk to him about where he keeps his guns....
Moai Posted November 21, 2005 Posted November 21, 2005 It depends on the type of guy he is.... Does he say things along the lines of damn commies? or any hostile things toward any one? Does he watch a lot of war movies? You just described me and every guy I know.
a4a Posted November 21, 2005 Posted November 21, 2005 You just described me and every guy I know. Shoot (no pun intended) but I must be a damn guy! I do those things! a4a
ThumbingMyWay Posted November 21, 2005 Posted November 21, 2005 ... if he is all commando like then it is likely you should worry .... but if he acts all crazy after he downs a 10 point buck @ 200 yards...DONT WORRY...its normal behaviour. And if he acts the same way while telling the story 100 times to his buddies, or the gas station clerk, or anyone else who will listen....DONT WORRY, thats normal too. :lmao: Actual to answer OP ?..I pose this ? If you worried about the Kids, would you marry a guy that kept Alcohol in his house, or even a car in the garage? Gun safety is commen sence...no different than teaching the safe use of other things that may casue bodily harm or even death.
Craig Posted November 21, 2005 Posted November 21, 2005 People can live without guns so there is no need to have them unless it's for your job. People that say having a gun behind the counter in a store (with a sign on the door stating as much) are wrong when they say the gun stopped the robberies. The sign on the door stopped the robberies. If gun safety was common sense, it wouldn't be discussed so much. If I felt that I needed a gun for protection I would move to a safer place and sleep soundly at night instead of worrying about intruders. I used to be a vegetarian and when I decided to start eating meat again felt it was necessary to hunt and kill for myself my first taste of meat. At the time it seemed somewhat hypocritical to eat meat without being willing to do the killing first. Now, I buy my meat wrapped in plastic from the grocery store. I used to own guns but hate (yes hate) them now. I would never have guns in my house and I would never be in a relationship with someone that felt it necessary to keep guns in the house for protection or hunting. Guns don't kill people, people kill people but people use guns and people can be stupid or irrational at times so why play with fire. Sure you can kill someone with a car, knife or whatever but it takes a lot longer to do so than using a gun. With a gun, in a few seconds of temporary irrationality or an accident someone can get dead forever. A car or knife can be used to kill someone but cars and knives in general were not manufactured for the express purpose of killing or self protection.
Art_Critic Posted November 21, 2005 Posted November 21, 2005 People that say having a gun behind the counter in a store (with a sign on the door stating as much) are wrong when they say the gun stopped the robberies. The sign on the door stopped the robberies. That is just plain BS.. your arguing semantics.. If there was no gun there would be no sign.. and only a fool would put a sign up without the real gun to back it up. You get dead real quick in the c-store business that way
Craig Posted November 21, 2005 Posted November 21, 2005 That is just plain BS.. your arguing semantics.. If there was no gun there would be no sign.. and only a fool would put a sign up without the real gun to back it up. You get dead real quick in the c-store business that wayNo that is the truth. Hardening a target often involves creating the belief in the perp. that the target is hard. The sign, like the gun is just a visual aid, except that once the sign is up you don't need the gun unless you want to engage in a shoot out with someone that doesn't care if you have a gun or not.
Art_Critic Posted November 21, 2005 Posted November 21, 2005 No that is the truth. Hardening a target often involves creating the belief in the perp. that the target is hard. The sign, like the gun is just a visual aid, except that once the sign is up you don't need the gun unless you want to engage in a shoot out with someone that doesn't care if you have a gun or not. you missed the point.. only a fool would put up a sign without a real gun.. so therefore the gun is what stopped crimes.. If you put up a sign without a gun you will wind up dead.. I co owned a c-store with my ex for 5 years.. I do speak from experience what is this perp talk ?? this isn't tv
basscatcher Posted November 21, 2005 Posted November 21, 2005 I scanned through the threads--too much to read... Yes, I would marry a man who owned guns. I was raised with guns around the house. I use to shoot birds (woodpeckers, squirrels, and other birds when I was growing up from the front steps of the house). I love target shooting and I'm not a bad shot either. Several guys have tried to get me to go hunting with them but the idea of a moving target doesn't excite me (duck, grouse, partridge hunting) and as for deer hunting I could never shoot those big beautiful brown eyes---BUT I will tell you I will cook it and eat it if you give it to me... YEAH. At the age of 12 I took a firearms saftey class in grade school and got my patch and certificate. I learned how to shoot at camp when I was 13 as well as archery... I have thought about buying my own gun several times but havent done it yet. I think a lot of personal opinions about guns comes from influences around you, your experiences with them, your knowledge of them, whether or not you come from a family line of hunters. etc etc. If I was raised in a big city in a neightborhood with lots of illegal use of guns and killings of people I'm sure I would either have the idea guns are bad or I that would need one for my own protection.depending on my social influences. But, I was raised in Northern Minnesota where hunting is a very normal part of life and our food source. I have never mishandled a gun and I was raised knowing the dangers of them if used improperly. Even with a bad experience of handling a gun by my exh I still do not fear guns. *(Xh was in a drunk rage and at 11pm at night he pulled out his 30-30 and I thought he was going to start shooting. I called 911 and he pulled the phone cord out of the wall. The police showed up anyway-but by that time my actions had scared him more then his actions scared me and he put the gun away before the police showed up. I asked him what the hell he planned to do and he told me he was so upset and that he was going to take the gun and go behind the trailor park in the woods and sight it in since he hadn't done it and deer hunting was less then 2 weeks away... Idiot!!!!) Guns don't kill people.. People kill people... Guns don't fire themselves. I like wild game for food and I enjoy target shooting. So once again yes, I would marry a man who owned guns..
Craig Posted November 21, 2005 Posted November 21, 2005 you missed the point.. only a fool would put up a sign without a real gun.. so therefore the gun is what stopped crimes.. If you put up a sign without a gun you will wind up dead.. I co owned a c-store with my ex for 5 years.. I do speak from experience what is this perp talk ?? this isn't tvHow is a gun under the counter going to protect you from an assailant with a gun already pointed at you? If you don't like my choice of words that is your problem, when you feel the need to mention my choice of words in your argument that weakens your position.
TUDOR Posted November 21, 2005 Posted November 21, 2005 Craig I respect your opinion on gun ownership but you stated that "People can live without guns, so there is no need to own them unless for work"..... can't this be said for pretty much everything you own? But I am curious what happened to take you from being a gun owner to "hating" them as you said. That is a pretty bold comment and just curious what causes some one to become so jaded about something they once owned themselves?
Art_Critic Posted November 21, 2005 Posted November 21, 2005 when you feel the need to mention my choice of words in your argument that weakens your position. I mentioned the perp talk because one of my brother in laws is a police officer and he makes jokes about people that use the perp talk.. Cops don't use that type of talk.. only people who want to look like they know about criminals talk like that... or tv I don't have a weak argument because I speak from experience about the gun under the counter.. I'm speaking from strength not weakness.... Do you have any experience about having a gun under the counter and how it stops robbery attempts ? .. I do
Craig Posted November 21, 2005 Posted November 21, 2005 Craig I respect your opinion on gun ownership but you stated that "People can live without guns, so there is no need to own them unless for work"..... can't this be said for pretty much everything you own? But I am curious what happened to take you from being a gun owner to "hating" them as you said. That is a pretty bold comment and just curious what causes some one to become so jaded about something they once owned themselves?Yes it can be said for pretty much everything anyone owns but guns were created for a destructive purpose. I don't think I am jaded, I think that when an object is created and designed for one specific purpose that I hate then it is reasonable for me to hate that object too. I'm not trying to change anyones opinion here, just stating my opinion.
Craig Posted November 21, 2005 Posted November 21, 2005 I mentioned the perp talk because one of my brother in laws is a police officer and he makes jokes about people that use the perp talk.. Cops don't use that type of talk.. only people who want to look like they know about criminals talk like that... or tv I don't have a weak argument because I speak from experience about the gun under the counter.. I'm speaking from strength not weakness.... Do you have any experience about having a gun under the counter and how it stops robbery attempts ? .. I doHow cops refer to those that commit crimes varies from region to region. In one area I was in they called them "perps" where I am now they call them "clients." I personally do not have experience working in a c-store with a gun under the counter and further believe that your example is anecdotal especially when considering that there is a sign on the door. My question still is how a gun under the counter is going to protect you from a person that knows you have a gun under the counter and is still willing to pull a gun on you first?
bab Posted November 21, 2005 Posted November 21, 2005 Hi AC, I'm not trying to "shoot" your argument in the foot, I've got no problem with guns, but did you or your wife ever have to actually pull the gun that was under the counter?
SincereOnlineGuy Posted November 21, 2005 Posted November 21, 2005 I know this is a personal matter. But would you marry a guy who owns guns and arms himself, and loves to hunt? I am dating a guy who is like this, and I worry if I had kids, things could go wrong, etc. Just want to hear other girls input on this. Well, do you wish any such children of yours to be raised by a likely hothead who believes that his way out of disagreements or other problems with neighbors and acquaintances is to threaten the use of violence? Do you wish to put any such children and other family members of yours as well as neighboring children and nearby adults in danger because of who you elected to marry? If so, then go ahead and marry the guy. Numerically the odds aren't that great that you'll be the one to take a slug in the brain. But then of course you would have to live with the grief if it were a family member or someone very close to you. ~ not a girl
Tristram Posted November 21, 2005 Posted November 21, 2005 Why is it so many people get so bent out of shape over a tool? There are numerous ways a person can be killed. In the end, how isnt as important as who did it and why. To place so much fear upon an inatiment object is completly irrational. In the end it is the person that used said object in a destructive manner that is the cause of said destruction. To think other wise is simply illogical.
basscatcher Posted November 21, 2005 Posted November 21, 2005 Exactly, TRISTRAM.. It is the people not the tool.. Primarily in my area guns are for the purpose of hunting wild game. We hunt for food... To feed our familys... Also for fun as a sport. Most of the year the guns are LOCKED up in gun cabinets AND our children are taught very young about guns and to respect them. If I met a man who didn't know jack-shyt about firearms I would be hesitant of HIM not the gun.. If you are a person who doesn't like firearms then stay away from them... If you are interested in them or will be living around them, take a training course... Ignorance and carelessness is why people kill other people by accident... Faulty parenting and society are a huge reason why people kill other people on purpose. Firearms training was offered in my SCHOOL when I was in 5th grade.. We had to sit in a classroom for a required number of hours learning about gun safety.. If we didn't pass a final exam we didn't get certified and we coiuldnt get a firearms permit to hunt or use a gun.. I think this should be offered in all rural areas. As for urban/city areas I think it should be optional. Learning SHOULD start at a young age so the truth about the dangers and the facts can be learned early on and not in the streets by thugs...
ThumbingMyWay Posted November 21, 2005 Posted November 21, 2005 Firearms training was offered in my SCHOOL when I was in 5th grade.. We had to sit in a classroom for a required number of hours learning about gun safety.. If we didn't pass a final exam we didn't get certified and we coiuldnt get a firearms permit to hunt or use a gun.. I think this should be offered in all rural areas. As for urban/city areas I think it should be optional. Learning SHOULD start at a young age so the truth about the dangers and the facts can be learned early on and not in the streets by thugs... I agree with this. We teach safe sex in schools we teach drivers ed in schools we teach about the dangers and affects of drugs and alcohol we teach proper use of tools in shop class we teach proper eating habits in health class we teach physical education and the importance of maintaining a healthy body why not teach and educate people about the LAWFULL and SAFE use of a firearm. Granted....there is hunters safety certification in most states...not only does that teach gun safety, but it teaches about conservancy and courtisy for the field. BUT...if there was a basic course to teach the proper care of a gun....it would make a difference. But I also know the liberal teachers union and liberal school boards would NEVER entertain the thought of it now-a-days.
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