Is this normal?

June 2, 2022

After lurking on here as a guest to find some answers, I finally decided to sign up and share experiences to see if I am not the only one struggling to find a normal partner.

Quick background on things: 31, male, run a small financial services company, go to the gym around 4 times a week and have my own flat.

At age 28, after 8 years with my ex (fiancé) I decided to leave due to emotional cheating (which I can prove) - I suspect she was physically cheating, but I cannot prove it. There is no going back, period.

Almost 4 years now I have been single and honestly I am taken a back at the dating experiences. These experiences have been mostly online with a few traditional encounters.

For context sake I will name these experiences by numbers and a brief description.

Woman #1: Tinder - We talked for around 4 months, we met, had a one night stand, got "close" (everytime we met we slept together). I would consider it got more and more serious/in a relationship the more we met but she was hesitant. Months later (after meeting in person), around the 3rd month mark in (7 total incl talking on app), she confessed she was in a "situationship" and returned to her ex. I was surprised and cut all ties.

Woman #2: Bumble - We got on like fire, quick and straight to the point with things/subjects and the way we looked at the world. She also was into taking care of herself, going to the gym and presented herself well. It was hard not get my hopes up. After months of sleeping together and claiming she had a "hard time" dealing with her "boss" to get appropriate work hours / settled work schedule - She confessed that she is really a single mother (no work) with two children and that she hide these things away from me to "protect me". Gobsmacked wasnt the words to describe how I felt. I couldnt commit and the lies was a massive red flag.

Woman #3: Friend of a Friend: At my 30th I met this woman through a good friend of mine and we got on well. She wasnt the "type" I would go for but I gave it a go. We got on well until she started to brand herself as some sort of champion feminist - that there is institutional patriarchy throughout the UK - if it wasnt bad enough that I got the impression she hated men - she had serious problems with me going to the Gym after work which would cause arguments. It got too much for me and I decided to stop seeing her.

Woman #4: Friend of a Friend: My best mates, misses, best friend - we got on really well, went walks and things were normal. Couple of months in after I decided she can move in to my flat she kept on moaning about my work hours, that I wasnt "spending time with her". I never asked her for rent but she wouldnt even have the decency to wash up and clean after herself. I confronted her about this while going to Tesco one day and she got physical with me (slapping me in the arm and screaming at me while driving). I was astonished, physical abuse in no shape or form is I will not tolerate. I cut all ties after that day. She sent me a long message on Facebook claiming her exs "abused" her and she "thought" that its normal. I told my best friend and his misses what happened which came to a shock to my best friend but not his misses where she told me she can be a bit of a "psycho". Why didnt she tell me this before? Not only was I disappointed with my best friends misses I told her she cant under any circumstances let the psycho near me again.

Woman #5: Acquaintance through High School: I knew her name (knew off her), we talked at the gym and I asked her number. Similiar situation like Woman #2 she hid her own children/flesh and blood away from me and made out she worked for her own flat and possessions (she wasnt in work). I couldnt believe it - the lies again!

I am genuinely taken a back at how these people are prideful for what they should be ashamed of. Also the elements of narcissism and manipulation these women attempt to put on you is absolutely disgraceful. None of these women were half of what they made out to be - if they worked they were either in retail or work for the NHS (nothing wrong with that) but they looked down on joiners and electricians - I couldnt understand it. All of them were intimidated by my honesty and confrontations. They acted like little children.

All of them had extremely bizarre polarised interpretations of what I do for a living - all of them kept assuming I was a "wolf of wall street" type because I sold services in equities. I kept telling them its boring, its not what they think and my salary/income is vaguely the same as most peoples in the UK - which almost upset all of them (they got surprised for some reason). I had one woman even say to me "I thought you would be driving a Range Rover not a BMW" …

The expectations these women had for me, but not for themselves (through lies) was astounding. All of them had the character and sense of zero accountability and attempted to justified it. What is that all about?

I genuinely get the impression that doing well for yourself - earning and looking after yourself - at the gym is a real problem? Is that seriously where we are at now?

Edited June 2, 2022 by LeoEnki

June 2, 2022

It doesn't sound like any of them are a catch, possibly ignorant/uneducated or naive. Take a breather and start meeting other professionals (doesn't need to be in your area/industry) or people of similar background. If you're using a dating app, screen for other professionals. Lies, of course, are a dealbreaker. Wait and develop something long term as opposed to short term whirlwind romances. It's not very much different for women so don't feel too alone in that.

June 2, 2022

31 minutes ago, LeoEnki said:

After lurking on here as a guest to find some answers, I finally decided to sign up and share experiences to see if I am not the only one struggling to find a normal partner.

Quick background on things: 31, male, run a small financial services company, go to the gym around 4 times a week and have my own flat.

At age 28, after 8 years with my ex (fiancé) I decided to leave due to emotional cheating (which I can prove) - I suspect she was physically cheating, but I cannot prove it. There is no going back, period.

Almost 4 years now I have been single and honestly I am taken a back at the dating experiences. These experiences have been mostly online with a few traditional encounters.

For context sake I will name these experiences by numbers and a brief description.

Woman #1: Tinder - We talked for around 4 months, we met, had a one night stand, got "close" (everytime we met we slept together). I would consider it got more and more serious/in a relationship the more we met but she was hesitant. Months later (after meeting in person), around the 3rd month mark in (7 total incl talking on app), she confessed she was in a "situationship" and returned to her ex. I was surprised and cut all ties.

Woman #2: Bumble - We got on like fire, quick and straight to the point with things/subjects and the way we looked at the world. She also was into taking care of herself, going to the gym and presented herself well. It was hard not get my hopes up. After months of sleeping together and claiming she had a "hard time" dealing with her "boss" to get appropriate work hours / settled work schedule - She confessed that she is really a single mother (no work) with two children and that she hide these things away from me to "protect me". Gobsmacked wasnt the words to describe how I felt. I couldnt commit and the lies was a massive red flag.

Woman #3: Friend of a Friend: At my 30th I met this woman through a good friend of mine and we got on well. She wasnt the "type" I would go for but I gave it a go. We got on well until she started to brand herself as some sort of champion feminist - that there is institutional patriarchy throughout the UK - if it wasnt bad enough that I got the impression she hated men - she had serious problems with me going to the Gym after work which would cause arguments. It got too much for me and I decided to stop seeing her.

Woman #4: Friend of a Friend: My best mates, misses, best friend - we got on really well, went walks and things were normal. Couple of months in after I decided she can move in to my flat she kept on moaning about my work hours, that I wasnt "spending time with her". I never asked her for rent but she wouldnt even have the decency to wash up and clean after herself. I confronted her about this while going to Tesco one day and she got physical with me (slapping me in the arm and screaming at me while driving). I was astonished, physical abuse in no shape or form is I will not tolerate. I cut all ties after that day. She sent me a long message on Facebook claiming her exs "abused" her and she "thought" that its normal. I told my best friend and his misses what happened which came to a shock to my best friend but not his misses where she told me she can be a bit of a "psycho". Why didnt she tell me this before? Not only was I disappointed with my best friends misses I told her she cant under any circumstances let the psycho near me again.

Woman #5: Acquaintance through High School: I knew her name (knew off her), we talked at the gym and I asked her number. Similiar situation like Woman #2 she hid her own children/flesh and blood away from me and made out she worked for her own flat and possessions (she wasnt in work). I couldnt believe it - the lies again!

I am genuinely taken a back at how these people are prideful for what they should be ashamed of. Also the elements of narcissism and manipulation these women attempt to put on you is absolutely disgraceful. None of these women were half of what they made out to be - if they worked they were either in retail or work for the NHS (nothing wrong with that) but they looked down on joiners and electricians - I couldnt understand it. All of them were intimidated by my honesty and confrontations. They acted like little children.

All of them had extremely bizarre polarised interpretations of what I do for a living - all of them kept assuming I was a "wolf of wall street" type because I sold services in equities. I kept telling them its boring, its not what they think and my salary/income is vaguely the same as most peoples in the UK - which almost upset all of them (they got surprised for some reason). I had one woman even say to me "I thought you would be driving a Range Rover not a BMW" …

The expectations these women had for me, but not for themselves (through lies) was astounding. All of them had the character and sense of zero accountability and attempted to justified it. What is that all about?

I genuinely get the impression that doing well for yourself - earning and looking after yourself - at the gym is a real problem? Is that seriously where we are at now?

You sound so genuine, sorry you had to experience all that but really glad that you didn't settle and didn't ignore the red flags. Hang in there, I am sure it's just a matter of time before you find someone who will be authentic, have honesty and integrity. Wishing you the very best as you navigate this season.

June 2, 2022

15 minutes ago, glows said:

It doesn't sound like any of them are a catch, possibly ignorant/uneducated or naive. Take a breather and start meeting other professionals (doesn't need to be in your area/industry) or people of similar background. If you're using a dating app, screen for other professionals. Lies, of course, are a dealbreaker. Wait and develop something long term as opposed to short term whirlwind romances. It's not very much different for women so don't feel too alone in that.

Appreciate the feedback.

Well, in terms of professions and backgrounds it has been mixed. You are correct with the lies - this theme keeps reappearing though? I dont really understand why these women (in my experience) feel the need to do it? Is it intimidation? Clearly I get the impression people are faking it because of social media (which is not even real indication or perception of real life) which enables even more insecurity and narcissism.

June 2, 2022

You may be drawn to the action or excitement whereas someone else is content with long periods of solitude and screening for potential partners. Subconsciously if this is what you're used to you may be reacting to it also and that draws them closer to you.

June 2, 2022

3 minutes ago, Grace Angelou said:

You sound so genuine, sorry you had to experience all that but really glad that you didn't settle and didn't ignore the red flags. Hang in there, I am sure it's just a matter of time before you find someone who will be authentic, have honesty and integrity. Wishing you the very best as you navigate this season.

Thanks, really appreciate it.

I dont get this current dating scene at all - it wasnt like this when I was 18/19 - or atleast I never got the impression it was. Its almost like if you are honest / straight down the middle - people are almost offended by it? Or, if you arent as narcissistic or more than the other (creating toxicity) you are considered a renegade under these dating conditions.

June 2, 2022

2 minutes ago, glows said:

You may be drawn to the action or excitement whereas someone else is content with long periods of solitude and screening for potential partners. Subconsciously if this is what you're used to you may be reacting to it also and that draws them closer to you.

This is not the case.

I dont know where you are getting this impression from?

I made it clear from the very beginning with every experience that I was looking for a partner, each one of these experiences deeply reciprocated this and stated they desired it. Then all the lies and narcissism came out as time went on.

June 2, 2022

1 minute ago, LeoEnki said:

This is not the case.

I dont know where you are getting this impression from?

I made it clear from the very beginning with every experience that I was looking for a partner, each one of these experiences deeply reciprocated this and stated they desired it. Then all the lies and narcissism came out as time went on.

You moved one of them within only two months of dating and didn't realize her hygiene or personal habits until later. It's not necessarily what you want but the way you're going about getting to know these individuals. People can say or portray themselves as anything they want but time may reveal something else that's different.

None of us were there so we can't verify what these women are like. They may be charming and easy to believe. Step back in future and take your time getting to know someone. And not just through what they or you have to say but judge by who they actually are, or how they live their lives. It takes time.

June 2, 2022

10 minutes ago, LeoEnki said:

Thanks, really appreciate it.

I dont get this current dating scene at all - it wasnt like this when I was 18/19 - or atleast I never got the impression it was. Its almost like if you are honest / straight down the middle - people are almost offended by it? Or, if you arent as narcissistic or more than the other (creating toxicity) you are considered a renegade under these dating conditions.

I found out after marriage that I was part of a script I hadn't even auditioned for. I was honest about who I am and that knowledge was used to manipulate, control and hurt me. He had me convinced but now I know it was his best performance. Sadly I am now walking away with two humans.

People have become so superficial. Some I feel have even forgotten who they really are.

June 2, 2022

Try a quality paid dating app. At least it screens for a credit card. Get a good profile and pics and reset your screening and search criteria. Don't go by just the pics.

Message those who interest you and if they reply, after a couple of messages suggest meeting for coffee. If they won't meet, delete the timewasters and those who want text buddies. Ask pertinent questions at the meet. If you're interested ask them on another date.

This prevents getting too invested in people who are seriously bad matches. Broke, unhinged, not really single, etc.

Also join some groups and clubs. Take some classes and courses. Anything. Cooking, dancing yoga, a language, etc. Volunteer. This way through small talk and regular interaction you can rule out the crazies, broke and fakes etc.

The most important thing is to not get overinvolved and overinvested like this. Also refrain from hopping in bed too soon. Stay off hookup apps like Tinder..

Broke people use free apps. You're looking in the wrong places and getting too involved rather than cutting losses at the first sign of red flags.

Edited June 2, 2022 by Wiseman2

June 2, 2022

4 hours ago, Grace Angelou said:

I found out after marriage that I was part of a script I hadn't even auditioned for. I was honest about who I am and that knowledge was used to manipulate, control and hurt me. He had me convinced but now I know it was his best performance. Sadly I am now walking away with two humans.

People have become so superficial. Some I feel have even forgotten who they really are.

[ ]

My heart goes out to you, it really does.

No one on earth deserves that treatment.

Its clear to me that this is a sort of "standard" in the dating scene where manipulation is considered normal.

I cant imagine what you are going through. You are best leaving with your two children and never look back. The most honest ones are the strongest, show him he doesnt deserve you. Dont take him back if he begs.

Edited June 2, 2022 by a LoveShack.org Moderator

June 2, 2022

3 minutes ago, Wiseman2 said:

Try a quality paid dating app. At least it screens for a credit card. Get a good profile and pics and reset your screening and search criteria. Don't go by just the pics.

Message those who interest you and if they reply, after a couple of messages suggest meeting for coffee. If they won't meet, delete the timewasters and those who want text buddies. Ask pertinent questions at the meet. If you're interested ask them on another date.

I did this with Bumble premium. All my pics are active orientated, at work, gym, out with a few good friends drinking guinness and at home.

I did all the things mentioned. Usually do the traditional walk first then coffee or I would mix it up given the location of the date.

5 minutes ago, Wiseman2 said:

Also join some groups and clubs. Take some classes and courses. Anything. Cooking, dancing yoga, a language, etc. Volunteer. This way through small talk and regular interaction you can rule out the crazies, broke and fakes etc.

The most important thing is to not get overinvolved and overinvested like this. Also refrain from hopping in bed too soon. Stay off hookup apps like Tinder..

I really dont have the time to get involved in other things outwith my interest - work and gym - it consumes easily 60 hours of my week. This doesnt include cooking and cleaning up the flat, its not as easy as it looks - believe me. But make no mistake I am interested in meeting these dates there if they suggest it or they have that in their lifestyle.

I removed Tinder long ago - I have kept Bumble premium.

June 2, 2022

1 hour ago, LeoEnki said:

....

The expectations these women had for me, but not for themselves (through lies) was astounding. All of them had the character and sense of zero accountability and attempted to justified it. What is that all about?

I genuinely get the impression that doing well for yourself - earning and looking after yourself - at the gym is a real problem? Is that seriously where we are at now?

It's not where we are now at least in the U.S. Having money and being in shape is golden, so much so one may need to dial back a bit mentioning it if you want them to see you instead of your money and body.

Not knowing their side the characterizations come across as lacking empathy and judgmental. As in most of their flaws are not that big of a thing in the grand scheme to me, and very understandable people do not mention kids until they know you better. You are a stranger after all. Hypocrisy has never been in short supply though, having expectations for others one does not have for oneself, saying one thing and doing another.

June 2, 2022

1 minute ago, SumGuy said:

It's not where we are now at least in the U.S. Having money and being in shape is golden, so much so one may need to dial back a bit mentioning it if you want them to see you instead of your money and body.

Not knowing their side the characterizations come across as lacking empathy and judgmental. As in most of their flaws are not that big of a thing in the grand scheme to me, and very understandable people do not mention kids until they know you better. You are a stranger after all. Hypocrisy has never been in short supply though, having expectations for others one does not have for oneself, saying one thing and doing another.

The women with children admitted they hide their own flesh and blood out of judgement because they couldnt accept the accountability it had on them and all the experiences they had all the men (including myself) didnt want to commit to another mans children - because its not our responsibility. No man wakes up to be a father of other another mans kids and that certainly wont be me.

June 2, 2022

3 minutes ago, LeoEnki said:

The women with children admitted they hide their own flesh and blood out of judgement because they couldnt accept the accountability it had on them and all the experiences they had all the men (including myself) didnt want to commit to another mans children - because its not our responsibility. No man wakes up to be a father of other another mans kids and that certainly wont be me.

? not sure understand the point but committing to anything is getting way, way ahead of yourself when initially dating, let alone being a father if the woman even wants that. Again how you decide to portray just this aspect of being a single parent sounds judgmental to me.

If no kids is your things make it clear, like in your profile or use a site/app that has a field for that. If women are ignoring it perhaps emphasize how you really mean no kids.

I'm of an age where we all have kids, no one expects (or really even wants) you to step in as mother or father. More that when you have kids they will take priority...kids sports or school for example take precedence over date night etc.

June 2, 2022

13 minutes ago, LeoEnki said:

The women with children admitted they hide their own flesh and blood out of judgement because they couldnt accept the accountability it had on them and all the experiences they had all the men (including myself) didnt want to commit to another mans children - because its not our responsibility. No man wakes up to be a father of other another mans kids and that certainly wont be me.

Children are a big deal and I think most women would be willing to disclose those things pretty quickly.

But since that's not been the case for you, make sure that you write something to that effect in your dating profile.

First dates are also a good time to discuss people's specific deal breakers.

Try asking your date subtle questions about these deal-breakers, but don't forcefully question them or try to make them feel bad if their opinion differs from yours. Politely accept their reply. Make a decision for yourself that this is probably not the person you are meant to be with. Keep in mind, we are all very different!

June 2, 2022

2 minutes ago, SumGuy said:

? not sure understand the point but committing to anything is getting way, way ahead of yourself when initially dating, let alone being a father if the woman even wants that. Again how you decide to portray just this aspect of being a single parent sounds judgmental to me.

If no kids is your things make it clear, like in your profile or use a site/app that has a field for that. If women are ignoring it perhaps emphasize how you really mean no kids.

I did make it clear, this assumption that I never is nonsense. It was them that hide their kids, this was admitted when I confronted them.

3 minutes ago, SumGuy said:

I'm of an age where we all have kids, no one expects (or really even wants) you to step in as mother or father. More that when you have kids they will take priority...kids sports or school for example take precedence over date night etc.

That wasnt the conversations I had with them. At least from my understanding anyway.

June 2, 2022

3 hours ago, Alpacalia said:

But since that's not been the case for you, make sure that you write something to that effect in your dating profile.

I did/and still do. [ ]

Edited June 2, 2022 by a LoveShack.org Moderator
tone

June 2, 2022

16 minutes ago, LeoEnki said:

The women with children admitted they hide their own flesh and blood. No man wakes up to be a father of other another mans kids and that certainly wont be me.

Ask almost right away if they have children and where they work. It's that simple.

June 2, 2022

This sounds like a combination of terrible luck and just lack of suitability. People do lie, especially with OLD. I suspect they do it because they hope someone will fall for them and then will accept the lie because they’re so “madly in love”.

That being said it sound like you’re focusing on one person at a time, kind of just doing exclusive dating / early relationship really quickly. I generally think it takes at least a year to know someone well enough to move in together for example. And multidating in the early stages keeps yourself from getting too invested too early.

June 2, 2022

2 minutes ago, Wiseman2 said:

Ask almost right away if they have children and where they work. It's that simple.

I did this.

June 2, 2022

1 minute ago, Weezy1973 said:

This sounds like a combination of terrible luck and just lack of suitability. People do lie, especially with OLD. I suspect they do it because they hope someone will fall for them and then will accept the lie because they’re so “madly in love”.

I got that impression.

1 minute ago, Weezy1973 said:

That being said it sound like you’re focusing on one person at a time, kind of just doing exclusive dating / early relationship really quickly. I generally think it takes at least a year to know someone well enough to move in together for example. And multidating in the early stages keeps yourself from getting too invested too early.

I should take that into consideration next time.

June 2, 2022

3 minutes ago, LeoEnki said:

I did make it clear, this assumption that I never is nonsense. It was them that hide their kids, this was admitted when I confronted them....

No assumptions, that is why I also said...

Quote

If women are ignoring it perhaps emphasize how you really mean no kids.

Why do you need to confront them, if you chose the right word? Rather why not say you are sorry that they may have wasted there time as you really meant it, and explain why in a positive manner, it's not where you are at in life, looking for, etc.

This:

Quote

No man wakes up to be a father of other another mans kids and that certainly wont be me.

..will likely get you a WTF.

June 3, 2022

Hmmm. Well the good news is that you're dating successfully. You might be surprised how many men post on this site because they can't get ANY dates - to the point where it seriously affects their personality, self-esteem, etc. Clearly you have what it takes to attract women, which is great.

You have dated 5 women + your prior GF. Consider that you are trying to make generalizations about a population of probably at least a few million women (in the dating pool in UK, which you show as your location) based on a sample size of six. You probably don't have access to ALL of these women, but nonetheless the point applies. You are doing what people's brains tend to do - overgeneralizing based on limited data. While I certainly don't blame you (it's a characteristic of people's brains, after all) that is something to be aware of. You really can't draw legitimate conclusions based only on your quite finite experiences.

Another thing to keep in mind is that nobody is perfect. You will not find a perfect woman for you. You might find a really, really great one who you love to pieces, but she won't be perfect. Everyone is ultimately unique and we all have imperfections.

With that platitude in mind, (and this is just my opinion, mind you) I get the impression that perhaps you need to have a bit of a thicker skin. Since no partner will be perfect, what level and sorts of imperfections will you accept? Specifically, the woman who hit your arm and was messy - this was a reason to break up? Was this woman a threat to you? Was the mess that bad? I don't know and you ARE entitled to YOUR dealbreakers, but consider that many men would tolerate this, with the intent of "working on it" or perhaps hiring a cleaner, and would disregard one instance of yelling/hitting. One instance is not a pattern, and things can be followed up on when the person has calmed down again. Relationships often require "work" and part of that work is finding the compromises that make it possible for you to live together successfully long term. Without being able to make those compromises successfully, there will be no long term partners.

6 hours ago, LeoEnki said:

The women with children admitted they hide their own flesh and blood out of judgement because ... all the experiences they had all the men (including myself) didnt want to commit to another mans children - because its not our responsibility. No man wakes up to be a father of other another mans kids and that certainly wont be me.

I would note that there actually ARE men who LIKE to be Dads and don't mind a women with kids, although it's also true they typically (not always) have at least one kid of their own. At any rate, it's unfortunate these women chose to lie about this to you, and I share the surprise of others above that this happened, particularly since you made it clear kids are a dealbreaker FOR YOU.

It would appear that possibly the stigma of being a single mom is strong enough in your area that some of them feel the need to pursue a "strategy" of attempting to get you to bond with them before revealing they have kids. They probably didn't realize that due to your prior GFs dishonesty, you are now quite sensitive to being deceived (AND this IS a pretty MAJOR deception). It's too bad + you did what you could in being straightforward about your views, so they wasted both your time and theirs. C'est la vie.

I'm not at all sure what you will choose to accept from my advice above, but I think it's essentially 100% certain that, while you've had some less than positive experiences (at least once the breakups occurred), you have NOT exhausted the possibilities extant in your dating pool.

Edited June 3, 2022 by mark clemson

June 3, 2022

9 hours ago, LeoEnki said:

I genuinely get the impression that doing well for yourself - earning and looking after yourself - at the gym is a real problem? Is that seriously where we are at now?

No not a problem. Those things are attractive in a man.

When you have attractive qualities you're going to attract good women as well as some women that are less than desirable for what you're looking for.

It's pretty alarming that you can be involved with these women for so long only to have them reveal some pretty important details later down the line, like children and other relationships.

There is a train of thought that if you're leading with deal breakers (like you list you don't want any children in your OLD profile), then some people will just lie about it. Their (misguided) thinking is that once you're in love with them and find out then you'll accept them. Or they just don't think ahead and they get in too deep with their deceit.

It may be a better strategy just to go on a date without explicit dealbreakers or rules, and get them to lay cards out on the table, instead of hiding them. At least that way you've only wasted a date instead of 5 months of your life. Hey, *MAYBE* you'll meet someone that's absolutely amazing and she has a kid. I used to think like you, would never date someone with kids but as I've gotten older and older that gets more and more unrealistic, and there are a lot of amazing people out there that just had a child with someone that was incompatible. It happens.

What is it that you want in a woman? Are there qualities that you select for besides looks? Have you come up with a short list of criteria, age range, no children, job?

Edited June 3, 2022 by dramafreezone

Sign In

Is this normal?

Recommended Posts

LeoEnki

glows

Grace Angelou

LeoEnki

glows

LeoEnki

LeoEnki

glows

Grace Angelou

Wiseman2

LeoEnki

LeoEnki

SumGuy

LeoEnki

SumGuy

Alpacalia

LeoEnki

LeoEnki

Wiseman2

Weezy1973

LeoEnki

LeoEnki

SumGuy

mark clemson

dramafreezone

What's New

My Activity Streams

More...