Wiseman2 Posted May 9, 2022 Posted May 9, 2022 20 hours ago, nc87whf said: When he does psychedelics, he always asked his close friend to watch out for him. As far back as Woodstock (1969), there were "trip tents". It's not for medicinal purposes. You seem very compassionate and empathetic. Those lovely qualities may be better invested in people capable of returning that.
SumGuy Posted May 9, 2022 Posted May 9, 2022 23 hours ago, nc87whf said: ... That's why I want to hear from people who have experience with this. I know I am the only person who can decide on whether or not I'm okay with this, but I feel like I really know too little about this "world". My main concern is - will he experience any problematic behavior due to his substance use? From experience it is the opioids he needs to watch out for. If he is taking them as prescribed and they are for pain my understanding the risk of addiction is low. Also when taken for pain the euphoria is not there as much or at all, especially severe pain. Weed and psychedelics...can say there are plenty of have it together successful people, some very famous and accomplished in realms other than entertainment, have met that have done that for decades upon decades. Of course this is hidden because these substances have been demonized, lied about, moral panics about them, and ways to keep certain folks down for so long the irrational response to them is often more disturbing than the effects of them. I suspect you do have expereince with substance use, alcohol being the big one, but tobacco and coffee as well. Two out of three of those are physically addictive and far more psychologically addictive than weed or psychedelics. On the latter I assume you mean mushrooms as believe here are studies on their to treat depression and anxiety. If it wasn't for the need to patent drugs to make a profit after clinical trials, and that the "wrong kinds" of used mushrooms, they would likely be FDA approved as the side effects are far less than most anxiety and depression meds. Then again there are those who focus on the substances being illegal, but here the only illegal one is the psychedelics. Many will focus on this "world" on that which naturally arises when you make something illegal, or what they see in the media, or the worse case selection bias. There really is no "world" here any more than there is one "world" for alcohol use. Sure there is a moonshine world and if you step into crime can happen. Here though you got legal highly regulated weed, and prescription opioids form a doctor. The world of mushrooms is a pretty low key one, you don't have junky fiends, or international drug cartels, or street gangs waging turf battles over it, it is fairly niche. Problematic behavior....again it is the opioids would watch. Here though the use seems monitored and for an intended use, treatment of severe chronic pain. 1
SumGuy Posted May 9, 2022 Posted May 9, 2022 13 hours ago, nc87whf said: Ah, my lack of knowledge of substance again shows. I asked him specifically before and he said yes - is it true? That I will find out. That part is pretty easy to do, the bottle should have a prescription with his name on it. You can also look up the pills on-line based on how they look, or just get the name and dosage from the label on the bottle itself. The substances I really look out for are benzodiazepines (like xanax), highly additive, you can die if you stop cold turkey, memory loss as a fairly common side effect, the xan-hole effect when people come off of them, etc. And these are legal drugs for the treatment of anxiety. Compared to mushrooms, people don't; die if they stop cold turkey and generally once they come off them they are more likely to be nice from the enlightenment they historically are said to provide.
Author nc87whf Posted May 10, 2022 Author Posted May 10, 2022 11 minutes ago, S2B said: Functioning well…? does he work full time and support himself financially? Yes full-time and seems no problem supporting himself. Update for all: But I think I already caught him in a lie last night - I asked him to call me when he gets out of work. He dodged the question and then I reminded him again I wanted to talk, he did not reply. This morning he texted and claimed that he has fallen asleep early (it was around 7pm!) - it doesn't make sense because he previously claimed to not be able to sleep much. It's definitely not a good sign. I will not plan to continue. 4
Wiseman2 Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, nc87whf said: I already caught him in a lie last night - I asked him to call me when he gets out of work. He dodged the question and then I reminded him again I wanted to talk, he did not reply. This morning he texted and claimed that he has fallen asleep early (it was around 7pm!) - it doesn't make sense because he previously claimed to not be able to sleep much. It's definitely not a good sign. I will not plan to continue. Good call. You have already seen this pitfalls of dating someone impaired 2
Calmandfocused Posted May 11, 2022 Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) Op Do not pass go with this man! I promise you that if you don’t get out now you will regret it. Yes I’ve been there. Yes it was awful. Yes the whole relationship was dictated by the drugs. If you proceed with this man you can forget about getting any of your own needs met in the relationship. It simply won’t happen. Who cares if the drugs are medically prescribed or bought recreationally? It makes no difference. The bottom line is that this guy is on a cocktail of serious mood altering substances and he isn’t going to stop. The drugs will always be a higher priority than you. Always. The question you need to ask yourself is; “Do I value myself less than a hallucinogenic drug?” If you do then go right ahead because that’s the only position you’ll ever be. Edited May 11, 2022 by Calmandfocused 2
Author nc87whf Posted May 12, 2022 Author Posted May 12, 2022 12 hours ago, Calmandfocused said: Op Do not pass go with this man! I promise you that if you don’t get out now you will regret it. Yes I’ve been there. Yes it was awful. Yes the whole relationship was dictated by the drugs. If you proceed with this man you can forget about getting any of your own needs met in the relationship. It simply won’t happen. Who cares if the drugs are medically prescribed or bought recreationally? It makes no difference. The bottom line is that this guy is on a cocktail of serious mood altering substances and he isn’t going to stop. The drugs will always be a higher priority than you. Always. The question you need to ask yourself is; “Do I value myself less than a hallucinogenic drug?” If you do then go right ahead because that’s the only position you’ll ever be. Thank you for your insights. I have told him I do not wish to proceed today and he understood. I am glad I read up thoroughly on these substances before making my decision - it was tempting to make my decision based on the little knowledge I had of them before but now, even with expanded knowledge, I realized it's a matter of fundamental lifestyle differences. He did say that "I will not stop smoking" and mentioned how much he enjoyed psychedelics, which if his partner shares this enjoyment with him, it'd probably work out for him, but from what I sensed, he has been rejected many times because of it. I feel a little sad but I think I did what's best for me. The perspectives I gained from here helped a lot. 3
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